Seagull vs. Norman?

DaveWe

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Apr 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/4/95

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I spoke to the people at Lasido last year and they basically said that
their Seagull, Simon and Patrick and Norman lines were comparable in
quality of construction, materials and comparable in price. In other words
a Seagull S6 with cedar top has a comparable model in the Simon and
Patrick Line. However the Simon and Patrick line has a couple high end
guitars (the Mahogony Pro and Rosewood Pro) that are more expensive than
any Seagull and have a glossy vs. satin finish.

The A&L line is a cheaper line of Lasido products.

DickSchnei

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Apr 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/5/95

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David Evans writes:

<I have a Seagull S-12 ($425) which is the 12-string version of
<the S-6 ($325), and it has a solid top.

<Seagull is making their guitars with Spruce tops and Cedar
<backs and sides out of 800 year old wood.

The bodies of the guitars you are talking about are *not* cedar and are
*not* solid wood. They are laminated (plywood) and the top ply is a wild
cherry finish. They probably do have a solid spruce (or cedar) top. Even
most (if not all - I can't speak for all of anything) of the more
expensive Simon and Patrick Series of guitars use a laminated body. I
have never seen or heard of any guitar being sold today at this price
range that has a *solid* wood body. These guitars are good deals, but
certainly not as good as this information would lead us to believe. I
have seen too much misinformation coming from this particular individual
to keep quiet any longer.

Dick Schneiders DickS...@aol.com

DaveWe

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Apr 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/5/95

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The Simon and Patrick Mahogony Pro and Rosewood Pro are solid back and
sides. However, it is correct to say that most of the less expensive Simon
and Patricks, Seagulls and Normans are plywood back and sides. However
they do have solid cedar or spruce tops. I bought a Simon and Patrick
Mahogony Pro with hardshell case for $600 last year. IMHO it still beat
any dreadnaught in that price range.

Dave

David A Evans

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Apr 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/9/95

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: <I have a Seagull S-12 ($425) which is the 12-string version of

: <the S-6 ($325), and it has a solid top.

: The bodies of the guitars you are talking about are *not* cedar and are

: *not* solid wood. They are laminated (plywood) and the top ply is a wild
: cherry finish. They probably do have a solid spruce (or cedar) top. Even
: most (if not all - I can't speak for all of anything) of the more
: expensive Simon and Patrick Series of guitars use a laminated body. I
: have never seen or heard of any guitar being sold today at this price
: range that has a *solid* wood body. These guitars are good deals, but

I can guarantee you my guitar has solid top. You can tell if a top is
laminated by looking in the soundhole at the cross-section of the top,
and it is quite solid. Besides, the tone would be pretty obvious if it
was a laminated top--I've played enough laminated tops to know.

"So rather than appear foolish afterward,
I renounce seeming clever now..."

- William of Baskerville,
from "The Name of the Rose"

Trevor Strohman

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Apr 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/9/95

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In article <3luklk$4...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
DickSchnei <dicks...@aol.com> wrote:

>David Evans writes:
>
>
>The bodies of the guitars you are talking about are *not* cedar and are
>*not* solid wood.

According to Seagull literature that came with my Seagull S6, the
entire Seagull line is composed of sold top guitars. These guitars are
the S6, SM6, S6 Folk, and S6 Cutaway. I have personally played 3 of
the 4 guitars (I haven't played the SM6, I think it's rather new) and
they all have solid tops. All three have cedar tops, but the Folk has
cherry back and sides, while the rest of them have mahogany. The
SM6 is said to have a spruce top.

As for the 800 year old wood, that is what my brochure says, but I
have no concrete proof that it's true, although I don't think they'd
lie in such a widely distributed brochure. I do know that my guitar (S6)
sounds pretty good for the price.

Trevor Strohman
tstr...@theodolite.ae.calpoly.edu

They are laminated (plywood) and the top ply is a wild
>cherry finish. They probably do have a solid spruce (or cedar) top. Even
>most (if not all - I can't speak for all of anything) of the more
>expensive Simon and Patrick Series of guitars use a laminated body. I
>have never seen or heard of any guitar being sold today at this price
>range that has a *solid* wood body. These guitars are good deals, but

tapp...@cnsvax.uwec.edu

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Apr 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/9/95

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Concerning the woods used in my Simon & Patrick Wild Cherry guitar (made
by La-Si-Do), while the top is solid red cedar, the sides and back are
laminates topped with a wild cherry veneer. Considering the price of the
guitar ($250 Canadian) that comes as no surprise. However the guitar sounds
surprisingly good compared to others in the under $500 price range. Taking
into account the exchange rate, the price in U.S. dollars was only $180, so I
got a very nice guitar for the money. As to how the Canadians can make good
guitars at such a low cost I can't say. But several of my friends have the
same S&P model guitar, so I'm not the only one who likes them.
An aside for those who might be going from the U.S. to the Winnipeg Folk
Festival: if you purchase anything in the province of Manitoba and pay
provincial and federal sales tax in the process, when you come back across the
border you can get a refund of all taxes paid for up to $400 worth of
purchases. So if you're in the market for an inexpenisve, but decent guitar,
it might be worth your time to check out a few shops in Winnipeg on the way to
the fest or on the way back home.

David Wilford
Eau Claire, Wisconsin

JohnB66

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Apr 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/11/95

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>Actually, they're the wood is derived from 800 year old trees. Subtle,
but important difference.

Please explain 'derived'.

thanks

jblaesi
Chemical Engineer, Guitarist Under Development