In decline?

[JD]

Are going away? The number of posts seems to
dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.

[Steve Hawkins]

JD <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a65a91
@news.astraweb.com:

> Are going away? The number of posts seems to
> dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
> night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
>

1st of the month, we're paying bills.

Steve Hawkins

[Bob Dorgan]

"JD" <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...

> Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing on
> here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.

I haven't reached my prime yet, but I hear that Tom in Texas is faltering
badly.

dorgan

[Steve Hawkins]

"Bob Dorgan" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote in
news:UPmdnafNcu3idrfS...@posted.fingerlakestechnologygroup:

I saw him without a hat, last october.......

Steve Hawkins

[dick thaxter]

I've been in decline for decades.

Dick Thaxter

[Darryl Johnson]

Is Tom trying for the young JFK look? And, if so, does that indicate
decline? As a non-USA citizen, I'm never sure about these things.

Traffic has been a *bit* light, but there have been quite a few
messages since last night. Unless you mean "last night" Australian
time, in which case, once again, my mind fails me.

--
Darryl

[Tony Done]

"JD" wrote in message
news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...

Are going away? The number of posts seems to
dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.

********

In general posts are getting fewer, for which I imagine Facebook is
responsible, but I haven't noticed any particular short term problem.

Tony D

[Tom Reese]

On Feb 2, 2:34 pm, JD <jdblackwe...@gmail.com> wrote:

The number of RMMGA readers has possibly (probably?) dropped below the
critical mass necessary to sustain it.

[JD]

You have money?

[Rick Ruskin]

1. There are just so many times folks are willing to answer questions
relating to the "best" who/what//when/where.

2. Eventually, everybody decides to ignore any talentless fucks
posting while off their meds.

(Not to be construed as being directed towards the OP.)


Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://www.liondogmusic.com

[Geezer]

"Bob Dorgan" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote in message
news:UPmdnafNcu3idrfS...@posted.fingerlakestechnologygroup...

Not "faltering"..."Flatulating"


Geezer

[Steve Hawkins]

JD <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4f2afb28$0$2229$c3e8da3$76a7...@news.astraweb.com:

Until the IRA says zero.....

Steve Hawkins

[hub...@ccanoemail.com]

>1. There are just so many times folks are willing to answer questions
>relating to the "best" who/what//when/where.
>
>2. Eventually, everybody decides to ignore any talentless fucks
>posting while off their meds.

1. Best CD I listened to on my way home from work tonight :
Connie Kaldor Love Is A Truck

2. .... oh damn. sorry.

John T.





--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to ne...@netfront.net ---

[Wilbur]

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:22:24 -0800, Rick Ruskin <lio...@isomedia.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 11:34:17 -0800, JD <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Are going away? The number of posts seems to
>>dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
>>night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
>
>1. There are just so many times folks are willing to answer questions
>relating to the "best" who/what//when/where.
>
>2. Eventually, everybody decides to ignore any talentless fucks
>posting while off their meds.
>

Hey - I resemble that remark!

[Tony Weber]

On 2/2/2012 2:21 PM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> JD<jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:4f2afb28$0$2229$c3e8da3$76a7...@news.astraweb.com:
>
>> On 2/2/2012 11:55 AM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
>>> JD<jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a65a91 @news.astraweb.com:
>>>
>>>> Are going away? The number of posts seems to
>>>> dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
>>>> night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1st of the month, we're paying bills.
>>>
>>> Steve Hawkins
>>
>> You have money?
>>
>
> Until the IRA says zero.....
>
> Steve Hawkins

You mean the IPA?

[Steve Hawkins]

Tony Weber <mycro...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote in news:-
t2dnYSop7a8H7bS...@megapath.net:

An IPA that says zero is called water.

Steve Hawkins

[rayboyce]

"JD" <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...

> Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing on
> here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.

maybe.... definitely maybe

[George Weston]

If you think posts are declining in this NG, try checking out
uk.music.guitar, where the tumbleweed now blows. It's positively noisy
in here by comparison.
Again, the ukmg exodus is the direct result of people moving to Facebook.

George

[Al Evans]

In article
<UPmdnafNcu3idrfS...@posted.fingerlakestechnologygroup>,

"Bob Dorgan" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote:

> "JD" <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...
> > Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing on
> > here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
>

> ...t Tom in Texas is faltering
> badly.

Is that what they call it nowadays?

Best guitar I heard yesterday: Andrew Hardin, on a board mix of a gig a
friend gave me a few years ago.

Most fun I had playing music yesterday: trying to figure out with Alec
what key and tempo we use for She Thinks I Still Care.

--Al Evans--

[Ed Edelenbos iPad]

if it weren't for being talentless, I'd have nothing in my corner at all.

Ed
--
This is posted from my iPad

[Norman Draper]

Decline?? HA!!

I've been horizontal twice now!!


Norman (Still Playing My Four Chords) DRaper

[Norman Draper]

Does anyone here plan on seeing Mega power star Ram Charan’s new movie
is “Racha”?

I hear it's a doozy.


Norman (It's One Of The Posts On Google Groups rmmga) Draper

[hank alrich]

We can sense the level of addiction when a slow day happens. <g>

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri

[hank alrich]

Al Evans <a...@tbtm.org> wrote:

> In article
> <UPmdnafNcu3idrfS...@posted.fingerlakestechnologygroup>,
> "Bob Dorgan" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote:
>
> > "JD" <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...
> > > Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing on
> > > here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
> >
> > ...t Tom in Texas is faltering
> > badly.
>
> Is that what they call it nowadays?
>
> Best guitar I heard yesterday: Andrew Hardin, on a board mix of a gig a
> friend gave me a few years ago.

An extra fun thing about that is that we had almost zero preparation
ahead of time, and it was the girl's first time to just realx and go
with the loose flow of it all. On that gig she became a genuine
professional musician in the git 'er done sense.

When I told here he would be willing to join us, and Richard, too, but
we wouldn't have practice ahead of it I thought she'd balk. Nope, not at
all.

> Most fun I had playing music yesterday: trying to figure out with Alec
> what key and tempo we use for She Thinks I Still Care.

Oh, man, what fun! See you next month.

[David Hajicek]

"George Weston" <geow...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:9p21k7...@mid.individual.net...

FB has too much noise. Too much posting about what you just had for lunch,
somebody posting 20 new items a day, etc. You think OT is an issue here.
;>)

I think a lot of people, myself included, are kind of saturated with FB and
are losing interest. It can be a terrible time waster. It is sort of a way
to keep in touch, which is good. But I don't want to spend my day on FB.

Dave H

[Tom from Texas (The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers is not liable]

On Feb 2, 2:07 pm, "Bob Dorgan" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote:
> "JD" <jdblackwe...@gmail.com> wrote in message

How is faltering related to falting? People been falting me for
years. "Hey, how did this happen?" "I don't know but it's gotta be
Tom's fault." Oh, wait!! Dorgan meant to post "flattering"; When I
stand next to Dorgan, it flatters him.

Guitar related: I'm still waiting for my miniMaton to get here from
Oz.

Tom (postin' up a storm) from Texas

[Tom from Texas (The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers is not liable]

On Feb 2, 2:12 pm, Steve Hawkins

<stephen.hawki...@frontier.comREMOVETHIS> wrote:
> "Bob Dorgan" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote innews:UPmdnafNcu3idrfS...@posted.fingerlakestechnologygroup:
>
>
>

> > "JD" <jdblackwe...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...
> >> Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing
> >> on here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any
> >> difference.
>
> > I haven't reached my prime yet, but I hear that Tom in Texas is
> > faltering badly.
>
> > dorgan
>
> I saw him without a hat, last october.......
>
> Steve Hawkins

I occasionally have to let my brain airdry.

Tom from Texas

[George Weston]

Me too - in all respects!
George

[JD]

FWIW, FB keeps me in touch with a lot of distant
people I wouldn't otherwise remain connected to,
including more than a few folks that used to post
here. I mean, since I initiated this thread this
all we seem to have to talk about. I'm thinkin'
this group's in its death throes.

[Darryl Johnson]

I refuse to even look at Facebook. My local car club is in the process
of switching over to FB from a web site & forum, and I may actually
end up leaving the club if I can no longer communicate with the other
members.

There are no "distant people" I wish to remain in contact with (that I
know of) and I doubt I'd "find" them or they me if I did put up a
profile on FB. I have a handful of music friends, a roomful of
paddling friends, a subset of whom I socialize with in the off season
as well, and a group of car club members. That's enough to keep me
going. I follow a few newsgroups, although this one and the F1 racing
groups take more of my attention.

Sure, I could join FB and provide dummy information and a never-used
GMail address: I suppose that would protect my identity to a great
extent. But I dislike everything FB stands for. (Same with Twitter, BTW.)

But I'm an old fart who gets ink on his hands every morning from
reading the ... gasp ... paper newspaper and who reads hardcover books
and all sorts of other "no longer with it" things.

--
Darryl

[dsi1]

On 2/2/2012 9:34 AM, JD wrote:
> Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing on
> here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.

My guess is that all is not well in Usenet land. Google Groups is trying
to integrate itself with it's social network, Google+. This allows
posters to have their profiles within their posts and voting on whether
contested posts will be archived or deleted. It's Google attempt at
moving Usenet into the future. My guess is that traditional NNTP servers
won't be happy about this. Expect some turmoil.

[Tony Done]

I refuse to even look at Facebook.

********************

Me too

**********************

My local car club is in the process
of switching over to FB from a web site & forum, and I may actually
end up leaving the club if I can no longer communicate with the other
members.

************

FB is pervasive, the Queenland Public Service is about to start using for
all kinds of work-related interest groups.

I'm concerned about the social and psychological consequences of all these
hordes of so-called friends. My wife received a FB threat, just the usual
garbage, but she took it to our lawyer. I think that was swatting flies with
sledgehammers, but highlights one of the problems - lack of self-control by
users.

Tony D

[Steve Hawkins]

dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in news:4f2c566a$0$10918$882e7ee2
@usenet-news.net:

The "demise" of usenet has been predicted ever since the WWW hit
cyberspace, yet here we be. The only thing I see getting smaller is the
number of places you can access usenet for free. I don't use google or
rely on their servers for usenet.

Steve Hawkins

[dsi1]

The reality is that computing is moving into a cloud/web-based realm and
I can't see where NNTP fits into this. I've tried some NNTP newsreader
apps on the iPad and they suck, so GG is the only option that works well
for me on mobile devices. If mobile devices are the future, then GG will
be the only means of accessing these groups. It ain't rocket science and
personal preferences don't account for much.

[Larry Pattis]

JD <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW, FB keeps me in touch with a lot of distant
> people I wouldn't otherwise remain connected to,
> including more than a few folks that used to post
> here. I mean, since I initiated this thread this
> all we seem to have to talk about. I'm thinkin'
> this group's in its death throes.

The AGF (Acoustic Guitar Forum...different from the AG Magazine
chat-site) and the UMGF are the two most-active forums on the internet.

Sad that the moderation is heavy-handed on the AGF, but sometimes it
creates a bit more civility. Other times it's just plain wrong. I'm
guessing the UMGF has similar issues.

It is hard to give up a "place" where we know friends will gather...

--
LP
http://www.LarryPattis.com
American Guitar Masters
http://www.AmericanGuitarMasters.com

[Tony Done]

"Larry Pattis" wrote in message
news:030220121427114772%Neve...@spam.invalid...

****************

The idea of moderation is anathema to me. I joined a couple of forums
(fora?), but have never participated and now can't even remember what they
were.

Tony D

[Ed Edelenbos iPad]

I'm using NewsTap. It works fine or everything I need.

[Steve Hawkins]

dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in
news:4f2c5c99$0$10861$882e...@usenet-news.net:

Really, how the hell do we elect prsidents, the short straw? sheesh....

Steve Hawkins

[JD]

Uhh, we don't; big money buys them.

[Geezer]

"JD" <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:4f2c75fb$0$9444$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com...

Is it Big Money or Dirty Money?

Geezer

[JD]

Yes

[Steve Hawkins]

Ed Edelenbos iPad <ed...@huh.wha> wrote in
news:1777803256350002984...@news.individual.net:

Exactly! Anybody who thinks the web and google are the only way to
access usenet newsgroups should go here.

http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/

Steve Hawkins

[Tony Weber]

What until it goes public and people start to realize that the
information what they work so hard to input there is now being
commodified and sold to people who want to use it to sell them crap that
don't want or need.

TW, Curmudgeon.

[hank alrich]

Tony Weber <mycro...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote:

> What until it goes public and people start to realize that the
> information what they work so hard to input there is now being
> commodified and sold to people who want to use it to sell them crap that
> don't want or need.

AdBlock+ in Firefox means I don't see ads, which means I don't click on
ads. I found a link to see what Google had on me for their AdSense
action, and they have zip beyond the accurate info I gave when setting
up my gmail acct.

[hank alrich]

Well, now let's just imagine somebody much younger than the collection
of old farts that hang here shows up to check it out. WTF will they
find? A bunch of off-topic geezer insider action and a bunch of whining
that this place is dying. How long should we expect them to hang before
they get the fuck out of here ahead of the rotting bodies?

[Steve Hawkins]

walk...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote in
news:1kewgyq.u65k6z16uc7nkN%walk...@nv.net:

> dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/2/2012 9:34 AM, JD wrote:
>> > Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing
>> > on here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any
>> > difference.
>>
>> My guess is that all is not well in Usenet land. Google Groups is
>> trying to integrate itself with it's social network, Google+. This
>> allows posters to have their profiles within their posts and voting
>> on whether contested posts will be archived or deleted. It's Google
>> attempt at moving Usenet into the future. My guess is that
>> traditional NNTP servers won't be happy about this. Expect some
>> turmoil.
>
> Well, now let's just imagine somebody much younger than the collection
> of old farts that hang here shows up to check it out. WTF will they
> find? A bunch of off-topic geezer insider action and a bunch of
> whining that this place is dying. How long should we expect them to
> hang before they get the fuck out of here ahead of the rotting bodies?
>

<gasp>......Rose....bud......<rattle>....<thud>......

Cover'em up afore he stinks boys!

Steve "Apprentice Geezer" Hawkins

[Jenn]

In article <Xns9FEED156F5E56st...@74.209.131.10>,

Steve Hawkins <stephen....@frontier.comREMOVETHIS> wrote:


> <gasp>......Rose....bud......<rattle>....<thud>......

Speaking of which, an interesting thing is happening in my neighborhood.
Citizen Kane is screening at Hearst Castle. That's a big deal in
Hearst-land.

--
www.jennifermartinmusic.com

[Les Cargill]

Transistor radios were the future in say, 1955. But they weren't the
*only* future...

--
Les Cargill

[Steve Hawkins]

Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in
news:jgig1c$9ab$3...@dont-email.me:

heh.....I remember when Fender released their Solid State amp line, what
a disaster. Tubes are still alive and kickin!

Steve Hawkins

[Steve Hawkins]

Jenn <jennconduct...@mac.com> wrote in
news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS...@news.eternal-september.
org:

HEY!!! Quit horning in on my performance! Get yer own crowd!

Steve "That's Acting!" Hawkins

[Les Cargill]

There is this Zappa riff ... "who knows what the kids want? <shrug>".
People of a certain ( advancing) age ( us Boomers ) seemed to have
been of the habit of being awfully certain about some things.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/frank-zappa-explains-why-cartoons-today-suck.html

So the kids with the transistor radios bought big, rack-mount
sized stereos a few years later... so all the assumptions that
cloud and cute l'il computing devices are The Future seems
hubristic at best.... you know we're gonna get bored with 'em...

--
Les Cargill

[JD]

Journeyman, definitely journeyman.

[dsi1]

I've tried that. Personally, I didn't like it. I'm glad it works for you.

[dsi1]

On 2/3/2012 3:39 PM, hank alrich wrote:
> dsi1<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/2/2012 9:34 AM, JD wrote:
>>> Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing on
>>> here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
>>
>> My guess is that all is not well in Usenet land. Google Groups is trying
>> to integrate itself with it's social network, Google+. This allows
>> posters to have their profiles within their posts and voting on whether
>> contested posts will be archived or deleted. It's Google attempt at
>> moving Usenet into the future. My guess is that traditional NNTP servers
>> won't be happy about this. Expect some turmoil.
>
> Well, now let's just imagine somebody much younger than the collection
> of old farts that hang here shows up to check it out. WTF will they
> find? A bunch of off-topic geezer insider action and a bunch of whining
> that this place is dying. How long should we expect them to hang before
> they get the fuck out of here ahead of the rotting bodies?
>

I'm not interested in re-hashing the current state of Usenet or make any
comment on the posters. My post simply is some info on a new move by
Google which might piss off traditional Usenet service providers.

[dsi1]

I don't get it. Isn't our world a technological one? Isn't technology
being driven by microprocessors? Aren't microprocessors mostly a
collection of tri-state transistors?

[dsi1]

On 2/3/2012 8:09 PM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> heh.....I remember when Fender released their Solid State amp line, what
> a disaster. Tubes are still alive and kickin!
>
> Steve Hawkins
>

Uh... I hate to bring this up but... tubes are a dead end. Digital
signal processing and amp modeling is the future. :-)

[Steve Hawkins]

dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in news:jgivn3$3uo$1@dont-
email.me:

Riiiight, I heard the same thing about synths replacing all the traditional
instruments when they became affordable. A hundred years from now they'll
still be building violins the same way they have for centuries.

Steve Hawkins

[dsi1]

The amps have advanced somewhat since the 60s and 70s. Digital sound
processing changes everything. They said that digital would never
replace film too.

[JD]

I run my bass through a Bass Floor POD like an
outboard pre-amp either straight into the board or
into a 300wt Carver. DSP and solid state all the
way BUT for a guitar *nothing* beats a DrZ or a
Carr boutique tube amp. Period. End of story.
Ever. Unless the sound profile of what we expect
an electric guitar to sound like changes, tubes
will be here for the duration.

[JD]

My son got his bachelors in photography. Trust me,
it'll be a long, long time before film goes away
completely as long as there are pros and artists
out there who prefer it. It's somewhat analogous
to some folk's preference for vinyl over CDs.

[hank alrich]

dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> Digital sound processing changes everything.

Yes, and right there is the problem. <g>

Mind you, I have simulated rocking tubular electric guitar to the point
that I completely faked out some know-little friends who insist it can't
be done, and who have spen a lot of money on boutique tube guitar amps.

[dsi1]

This is like saying factory-made paper will never replace hand-made
paper because some folks still prefer to make their own. I suspect that
in the future, there might be one or even zero sources for film. Maybe
the only photographic "film" will be silver halide on glass plates.

[JD]

My son's been known to make his own glass plates
for his Deardorf 5 x 7. As long as there's a movie
industry there will be film as well.

[dsi1]

I'm glad that there's some people still using glass plates. That's real
old-timey! My daughter took a photography class. I was surprised that
the class used film. I was also surprised that I could get film at
Walgrens. It was also surprising that my father and brother had no film
cameras that she could use. That's the breaks.

If I'm not mistaken, the push in the movie industry is towards streaming
motion pictures. The biggest film in history was shot without using film
and played in theaters using non-film projectors. Shooting films without
films and streaming to movie theaters will probably be the norm in the
future.

[Wilbur]

On 04 Feb 2012 16:37:51 GMT, Steve Hawkins

We just had a presentation at work from a person who, trust me, knows
about these things. He said that very little of what you hear in
hollywood movie scores - and I mean VERY little - is created by actual
orchestras any more. Virtually ALL of it is made by synthesized
instruments.

I also know someone in the LA music industry who told me years ago
that pretty much the only thing drummers are used for these days is
live performances. In the studio it's apparently very rare that the
drums aren't programmed synths - and that was years ago.

[Wilbur]

Film is dead. It's as dead as vinyl records. Yes, there are still
some cultists who like vinyl, and there will be people who like to
mess with film. There are civil war re-enactors and blacksmiths
around, too.

I suspect that pretty soon, the only place you'll be able to find film
will be at a photopgraphy exhibition at the local Renaissance Faire.

[Wilbur]

Film is dead in the movie industry. Well, dying anyway, but the
handwritin is as clearly on the wall as the death of vinyl albums was
in 1985. Digital movies are way chearper to record, way easier to
edit, they provide instant feedback, and distribution is way easier -
and all of that is way cheaper. Yes, there is no doubt about it, film
is dead.

[hank alrich]

Wilbur <wil...@sliceathome.com> wrote:

> On 04 Feb 2012 16:37:51 GMT, Steve Hawkins
> <stephen....@frontier.comREMOVETHIS> wrote:
>
> >dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in news:jgivn3$3uo$1@dont-
> >email.me:
> >
> >> On 2/3/2012 8:09 PM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> >>> heh.....I remember when Fender released their Solid State amp line, what
> >>> a disaster. Tubes are still alive and kickin!
> >>>
> >>> Steve Hawkins
> >>>
> >>
> >> Uh... I hate to bring this up but... tubes are a dead end. Digital
> >> signal processing and amp modeling is the future. :-)
> >>
> >
> >Riiiight, I heard the same thing about synths replacing all the traditional
> >instruments when they became affordable. A hundred years from now they'll
> >still be building violins the same way they have for centuries.
> >
> >Steve Hawkins
>
> We just had a presentation at work from a person who, trust me, knows
> about these things. He said that very little of what you hear in
> hollywood movie scores - and I mean VERY little - is created by actual
> orchestras any more. Virtually ALL of it is made by synthesized
> instruments.

That has been true in many instances for a long time. In other cases
film scores are still being played by orchestras, but the scene of the
crime is in Europe where the cost of such is much, much lower.

> I also know someone in the LA music industry who told me years ago
> that pretty much the only thing drummers are used for these days is
> live performances. In the studio it's apparently very rare that the
> drums aren't programmed synths - and that was years ago.

Depends on the style of music. I hang at a forum where some of the
world's best engineer/producers participate, people with long
discographies including a lot of material we all either know or at least
know about. These folks are still working steadily and using very good
drummers on their sessions. When it comes to programmed drums, they've
been there and they've done that, and they still do it when it fits the
music and/or the budget, but in general they've got people whacking
kits.

Hip hop, rap, a lot of typical pop, not so much - lots of synthetic
rhythm happening.

[Les Cargill]

I don't think it's that way at all - for photography there's a
large suite of tricks to be done with traditional film. The
post processing done by Ansel Adams was profound.

--
Les Cargill

[Steve Hawkins]

Wilbur <wil...@sliceathome.com> wrote in
news:kklri7dpncc1l31mu...@4ax.com:

Music is just a necessary background noise to the film industry and it
wouldn't surprise me if Foley artists aren't being replaced by digitally
created sound effects too.

Music, as an art form, is not in danger of being "diminished" by
technology, IMHO.

Steve Hawkins

[Les Cargill]

It depends entirely on what you are looking for. A DrZ won't be
everybody's choice, either. I think it was Brad Paisely on ACL
using DrZ, and it didn't come across very well. I could very
well see/hear him using some sort of Peavey solid state and it working
better ( or more likely, a big Fender ).

I tried a DrZ myself, and I really couldn't cozy up to it. it's
a wee bit embarrassing, but I couldn't figure out the cleans on the
thing. usually, those are pretty simple.

There are more sound profiles of what is expected of an electric guitar
than I could count. By the time I got done there would be more.

--
Les Cargill

[Steve Hawkins]

Wilbur <wil...@sliceathome.com> wrote in
news:ivlri7papld7pcaek...@4ax.com:

I suspect film will be around for some time, at a very high cost, but it
will still be used as an Art medium by some. I also don't expect the art
world to completely dump canvass and paint for computer programs either.

Steve Hawkins

[dsi1]

On 2/4/2012 9:57 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
>
> I don't think it's that way at all - for photography there's a
> large suite of tricks to be done with traditional film. The
> post processing done by Ansel Adams was profound.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

My late brother-in-law wrote a letter to his cousin relating how he and
his brother and auntie met Ansel Adams on a camping trip and how AA made
a picture of his auntie dancing with a bear. It was a bitching letter
and I've been trying to get my sister-in-law to send me a transcription
of the letter. Hopefully, I'll be able to post it one day.

[Larry Brown]

On Feb 2, 1:34 pm, JD <jdblackwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are going away? The number of posts seems to
> dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
> night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.

Snowball effect? I notice less participation by some long-timers and
don't even stop by as often.

[David Hajicek]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
news:jglfoe$u1k$1...@dont-email.me...

Wa wa wa Walter, wa wa wa Walter, my uncle Walter goes dancing with bears.

I don't think that is a good idea, myself. ;>)

Dave H

[dsi1]

I don't see how you guys on the mainland can live with those bears. I'm
not so crazy about elephants either. I saw a guy get killed by an
elephant once - this is an extremely hard thing to do because I live in
Hawaii. I still have nightmares about that. These days I'm not taking
any chances and always keep a tube of anti-elephant creme with me at all
times. ;-)
>
> Dave H
>
>

[Darryl Johnson]

You know, of course, that stuff only works on *pink* elephants, don't you?

--
Darryl

[dsi1]

That was just a rumor put out by the anti-elephant amulet and good luck
charm consortium. Rest assured that this will repel all elephants
including pink, African, Indian, dancing, and grease eating types for a
radius of 2,000 miles.

[Darryl Johnson]

I may have to get myself some.

Wait a sec... You're not a member of the Consortium formerly known as
Medicine Men, are you?

And can I trust that answer?

--
Darryl (It's not a trustworthy world any more)

[dsi1]

I am not a member nor have I ever been a member of the Consortium nor
would I want to be a member of any group that would have anything to do
with me. As to whether you can trust my answer, truthfully, the answer
is most times "no." Unless I preface it with the word "truthfully" of
course.

Full disclosure: I sell anti-elephant cream. It's great stuff!

[George Weston]

Health warning: anti-elephant cream has been tested and has been proven
to be completely ineffectual against avian pachyderms.
http://www.ropetacklecentre.co.uk/resources/products/image1/009813/web.ae.dumbo.picA_t820.jpg

[dsi1]

On 2/5/2012 12:50 PM, George Weston wrote:
>
> Health warning: anti-elephant cream has been tested and has been proven
> to be completely ineffectual against avian pachyderms.
> http://www.ropetacklecentre.co.uk/resources/products/image1/009813/web.ae.dumbo.picA_t820.jpg
>

OK, you got me there but when was the last time you saw a flying
elephant wearing a clown hat?

Dr. Fedor's Anti-elephant cream has been proven to be safe and effective
and has thousands of satisfied users! Order yours today!*



*Not available on the African continent, India, and Malaysia.

[Mike Brown]

In article <jgg7av$5nf$1...@dont-email.me>,
"rayboyce" <nospamraymond...@frontier.com> wrote:

> "JD" <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...

> > Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing on
> > here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
>

> maybe.... definitely maybe

It ebbs and wanes.

Perhaps it's something to do with the moon.

MJRB

[Mike Brown]

In article <jgivn3$3uo$1...@dont-email.me>,

dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:

> On 2/3/2012 8:09 PM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> > heh.....I remember when Fender released their Solid State amp line, what
> > a disaster. Tubes are still alive and kickin!
> >
> > Steve Hawkins
> >
>
> Uh... I hate to bring this up but... tubes are a dead end. Digital
> signal processing and amp modeling is the future. :-)

I've never heard a modelling amp that gives a really good valve sound.

Mind you, it's a few years since I've looked.

MJRB

[Les Cargill]

*Which* good valve sound? A Twin is not a Super is not a Deluxe is not a
Vox is not a JTM45 is not a JCM800 is not a ...

> Mind you, it's a few years since I've looked.
>
> MJRB

The big weakness of a lot of the modelling amps has been... the amp
itself. It was like a $2000 carburetor on a $50 car.

So Atomic Reactor made an amp you could plug PoD into, and right about
that time, Fender came out with a modeller with a tube power section,
and I got that. Nice li'l amp. It does fender but doesn't have
the limitations that Fender preamps frequently have.

--
Les Cargill

[dsi1]

I've been playing classical guitar for the last decade. My amp skills
are pretty rusty. I do have a solid state Tech 21 Trademark 60 but I'm
at a loss at how to use it. At one time, I was getting some pretty neat
sounds out of that thing. Amazingly, it ain't digital at all. I'm gonna
have to study this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG6ca8w802c

My son has a small Line 6 Spider modeling amp that's probably more my
speed and skill level. Hopefully, I can learn to operate one of these
amps before I kick the bucket.

[Tony Weber]

I like my Line 6 POD modeler.

[dsi1]

I got my son a Pocket POD. That thing eats batteries like crazy. The
controls take some getting used to. That's what I need... simpler controls.

[JD]

I like my POD bass modeler better than I liked the
guitar version.

[Tony Weber]

If you get the XT or newer, it plugs into a computer via usb and you can
download a controller program that works much easier. Plugs into a wall.

TW

[David Hajicek]

"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:jgpua5$u3g$1...@dont-email.me...

You mean hum?
Dave

[hank alrich]

Tom Reese <tomr...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 2:34 pm, JD <jdblackwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are going away? The number of posts seems to
> > dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
> > night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
>

> The number of RMMGA readers has possibly (probably?) dropped below the
> critical mass necessary to sustain it.

Not gonna happen as long as we don't trade Dorgan to another team.

[hank alrich]

Tom from Texas (The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas
Guitarplayers is not liable <tris...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 2:12 pm, Steve Hawkins
> <stephen.hawki...@frontier.comREMOVETHIS> wrote:
> > "Bob Dorgan" <dor...@fltg.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > "JD" <jdblackwe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...

> > >> Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing
> > >> on here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any
> > >> difference.
> >

> > > I haven't reached my prime yet, but I hear that Tom in Texas is
> > > faltering badly.
> >
> > > dorgan
> >
> > I saw him without a hat, last october.......
> >
> > Steve Hawkins
>
> I occasionally have to let my brain airdry.

I'd have thought you could manage that without exposing it.

[hank alrich]

Larry Brown <larry...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 3, 11:18 am, "David Hajicek" <haji...@skypoint.com> wrote:
> > "George Weston" <geowes...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:9p21k7...@mid.individual.net...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 02/02/2012 20:40, Tony Done wrote:
> >
> > >> "JD" wrote in message

> > >>news:4f2ae549$0$23708$c3e8da3$a8a6...@news.astraweb.com...
> >
> > >> Are going away? The number of posts seems to
> > >> dwindle daily. Nothing on here since 11pm last
> > >> night. I use Astraweb if that makes any difference.
> >

> > >> ********
> >
> > >> In general posts are getting fewer, for which I imagine Facebook is
> > >> responsible, but I haven't noticed any particular short term problem.
> >
> > >> Tony D
> >
> > > If you think posts are declining in this NG, try checking out
> > > uk.music.guitar, where the tumbleweed now blows. It's positively noisy in
> > > here by comparison.
> > > Again, the ukmg exodus is the direct result of people moving to Facebook.
> >
> > > George
> >
> > FB has too much noise. Too much posting about what you just had for lunch,
> > somebody posting 20 new items a day, etc. You think OT is an issue here.
> > ;>)
> >
> > I think a lot of people, myself included, are kind of saturated with FB and
> > are losing interest. It can be a terrible time waster. It is sort of a way
> > to keep in touch, which is good. But I don't want to spend my day on FB.
> >
> > Dave H
>
> What?! They don't stay 'on topic' over on the facebook group? Oh dear,
> I wonder where the next little clique that wants to go off in a huff
> and start their own group will turn.

Well, he ain't talkin' about what gets talked about in the FG rmmga
group. He's talkin' about the rest of the mess. Folks talk about all
kinds of stuff over there. I've seen the funniest cartoons I could never
imagine there.

The rmmga FB group has nothing to do with people going off in a huff
(except for Hawkins, but he calls it "the Mothership"), it has to do
with resisting the One Truly Weird Tuning.

It's far less contentious there so far, just because over there you
gotta look 'em in the picture.

[Mike Brown]

In article <Xns9FEFF3D06CD99st...@74.209.131.10>,

Steve Hawkins <stephen....@frontier.comREMOVETHIS> wrote:

> Wilbur <wil...@sliceathome.com> wrote in

> news:kklri7dpncc1l31mu...@4ax.com:
>
> > On 04 Feb 2012 16:37:51 GMT, Steve Hawkins
> > <stephen....@frontier.comREMOVETHIS> wrote:
> >
> >>dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in news:jgivn3$3uo$1@dont-
> >>email.me:

> >>
> >>> On 2/3/2012 8:09 PM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> >>>> heh.....I remember when Fender released their Solid State amp line,
> >>>> what a disaster. Tubes are still alive and kickin!
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Hawkins
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Uh... I hate to bring this up but... tubes are a dead end. Digital
> >>> signal processing and amp modeling is the future. :-)
> >>>
> >>

> >>Riiiight, I heard the same thing about synths replacing all the
> >>traditional instruments when they became affordable. A hundred years
> >>from now they'll still be building violins the same way they have for
> >>centuries.
> >>
> >>Steve Hawkins
> >
> > We just had a presentation at work from a person who, trust me, knows
> > about these things. He said that very little of what you hear in
> > hollywood movie scores - and I mean VERY little - is created by actual
> > orchestras any more. Virtually ALL of it is made by synthesized
> > instruments.
> >
> > I also know someone in the LA music industry who told me years ago
> > that pretty much the only thing drummers are used for these days is
> > live performances. In the studio it's apparently very rare that the
> > drums aren't programmed synths - and that was years ago.
>
> Music is just a necessary background noise to the film industry and it
> wouldn't surprise me if Foley artists aren't being replaced by digitally
> created sound effects too.
>
> Music, as an art form, is not in danger of being "diminished" by
> technology, IMHO.
>
> Steve Hawkins

Very little film music holds up on it's own without the visuals.

JMHO

MJRB

[Steve Hawkins]

Mike Brown <rock...@chariot.net.au> wrote in
news:rockon02-E36498...@news.chariot.net.au:

I love the opening tunes on several of the James Bond films along with
music of other films. My roomates and I used to put the soundtrack from
the orignal Star Wars on so loud the cops would come and tell us to knock
it off. A lot of movies are just licensing tunes from artists instead of
writing music for the film too. Most of the music written for movies is
for setting a mood or emphasizing the emotions or action in a scene.

Steve Hawkins

[Mike Brown]

In article <jgpua5$u3g$1...@dont-email.me>,

Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.com> wrote:

> Mike Brown wrote:
> > In article<jgivn3$3uo$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > dsi1<ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/3/2012 8:09 PM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> >>> heh.....I remember when Fender released their Solid State amp line, what
> >>> a disaster. Tubes are still alive and kickin!
> >>>
> >>> Steve Hawkins
> >>>
> >>
> >> Uh... I hate to bring this up but... tubes are a dead end. Digital
> >> signal processing and amp modeling is the future. :-)
> >
> > I've never heard a modelling amp that gives a really good valve sound.
> >
>
> *Which* good valve sound? A Twin is not a Super is not a Deluxe is not a
> Vox is not a JTM45 is not a JCM800 is not a ...

I guess that I mean none that I liked. My last valve amp was a Marshal
35th (or whatever year) Anniversary 100w Combo. Too heavy and useless
for acoustics. Mind you my G&L sounded great through it.

MJRB

[Mike Brown]

In article <jghusi$mjc$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,

"Geezer" <gee...@somewhere.net> wrote:

> "JD" <jdblac...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:4f2c75fb$0$9444$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com...
> > On 2/3/2012 3:16 PM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> >> dsi1<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in
> >> news:4f2c5c99$0$10861$882e...@usenet-news.net:
> >>
> >>> On 2/3/2012 11:58 AM, Steve Hawkins wrote:
> >>>> dsi1<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in news:4f2c566a$0$10918$882e7ee2
> >>>> @usenet-news.net:

> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/2/2012 9:34 AM, JD wrote:
> >>>>>> Are going away? The number of posts seems to dwindle daily. Nothing
> >>>>>> on here since 11pm last night. I use Astraweb if that makes any
> >>>>>> difference.
> >>>>>

> >>>>> My guess is that all is not well in Usenet land. Google Groups is
> >>>>> trying to integrate itself with it's social network, Google+. This
> >>>>> allows posters to have their profiles within their posts and voting
> >>>>> on whether contested posts will be archived or deleted. It's Google
> >>>>> attempt at moving Usenet into the future. My guess is that
> >>>>> traditional NNTP servers won't be happy about this. Expect some
> >>>>> turmoil.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The "demise" of usenet has been predicted ever since the WWW hit
> >>>> cyberspace, yet here we be. The only thing I see getting smaller is
> >>>> the number of places you can access usenet for free. I don't use
> >>>> google or rely on their servers for usenet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Hawkins
> >>>
> >>> The reality is that computing is moving into a cloud/web-based realm
> >>> and I can't see where NNTP fits into this. I've tried some NNTP
> >>> newsreader apps on the iPad and they suck, so GG is the only option
> >>> that works well for me on mobile devices. If mobile devices are the
> >>> future, then GG will be the only means of accessing these groups. It
> >>> ain't rocket science and personal preferences don't account for much.
> >>
> >> Really, how the hell do we elect prsidents, the short straw? sheesh....
> >>
> >> Steve Hawkins
> >
> > Uhh, we don't; big money buys them.
> >
>
> Is it Big Money or Dirty Money?
>
> Geezer

Dirty great big money in a brown envelope.

MJRB

[Mike Brown]

In article <jgho45$ust$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Tony Done" <tony...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>
> The AGF (Acoustic Guitar Forum...different from the AG Magazine
> chat-site) and the UMGF are the two most-active forums on the internet.
>
> Sad that the moderation is heavy-handed on the AGF, but sometimes it
> creates a bit more civility. Other times it's just plain wrong. I'm
> guessing the UMGF has similar issues.
>
> It is hard to give up a "place" where we know friends will gather...
>
> --
> LP
> http://www.LarryPattis.com
> American Guitar Masters
> http://www.AmericanGuitarMasters.com
>
> ****************
>
> The idea of moderation is anathema to me. I joined a couple of forums
> (fora?), but have never participated and now can't even remember what they
> were.
>
> Tony D

I've never like being told what I can and can't say, I'd rather take my
chances and accept the consequences.

This place suits me fine.

MJRB