Martin/Gibson guitar polish or Lemon Pledge?
Huh?
guitars, never had a problem with it. Oh, I did once buy a can of Gibson
stuff, but I could not tell any difference in the effect or outcome. I'm
sure both could protect my fine furniture, why not my guitar? New Martins
say to stay away from polish with citrus oils, but I'm 99.999% Lemon Pledge
has none in it, just a nice fresh fake lemon smell. And the price is a lot
better, too. I think you can get institutional sizes & quantities at Costco
for next to the tax on the same amount of Martin slikum. Any opinions?
Luthiers, chime on in please...
1 eyed jack
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gallon jugs of a polish he got from an auto body supply shop.
JD
Greg Z
> gallon jugs of a polish he got from an auto body supply shop.
>
> JD
>
Greg
DAVID A. ROSENBERG
it covers up/ fills in light scratches and pits.
2. you get a mirror shine on any gloss finished guitar 3. $10 or so a can, but
it will last several lifetimes
4. absolutely harmless to taylors, les pauls, etc...
1 eyed jack
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Possibly. All I remember was that it had a pinkish cast to it and that the
label was more subdued than a retail product would have been.
JD
Ken Cashion
That is OK...until it needs some repair work. A lot of modern
shiney stuffs have silicone in them. This can build up in seams and
the like and be very difficult to remove and any refinishing will not
work over the top of the stuff.
Ken Cashion,
Who wipes guitars with beer-soaked newspaper -- but he has
heard of guitar polish.
Steve Hawkins
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I've always used a little water on a soft cloth on my acoustics.
Steve Hawkins
Julian Templeman
>I have used Lemon Pledge and its predecessor Pledge for 30+ years on my
>guitars, never had a problem with it. Oh, I did once buy a can of Gibson
>stuff, but I could not tell any difference in the effect or outcome.
I've polished my Lowden with whatever has come to hand for twenty
years... they recommend some special stuff -- Punch Leather Care, or
something like that -- but I've found that a decent furniture polish
works well. The guitar has ended up a little more shiny -- and a
little less satin finish -- than some, but it is fine.
Mind you, if you've got some real special finish, like French polish,
then Pledge probably isn't a good idea. But for most instruments, I'd
imagine it is fine.
jt
in HK
Ted Blankenship
Check out the little yellow bottle in this pic.....Ted Blankenship
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/tedb914/Walker%2520L-00%2520005.jpg
Waheed Sobhan
I had asked the reason for not putting pledge on guitars before and
here was one helpful response:
"Pledge contains petroleum distillates, soft waxes, and silicone. It's
actually not even good for furniture.
The solvents are bad for any untreated wood on the guitar, such as
bridge and fingerboard, as they dry out the natural oils.
The waxes are relatively heavy and soft. They leave a residue that
will smear and attract dirt like a magnet.
The silicone will absorb into the wood, creating potential problems
under the finish. Nothing immediate, but not good in the long run."
Hope this helps... i really don't see how you've been using pledge for
30 years and not notice anything unusual though...
Waheed
Ted Banks
You're too funny, Ted -- but I don't know about you Mr. Blankenship.
I took that pic of that L-00 while it was still on the Walker workbench *long*
before you acquired that guitar. "Lemon Pledge" was *suppose* to be a Walker
secret. I thought I could TRUST you with that pic! <g> Now you've spoiled it
and let the cat out of the cat!
Actually, I don't think the contents of that yellow plastic "Pledge" container
was Pledge. Kim let me sniff it once... after one whiff I had a hard time
driving home...
Ted Banks
Ted Blankenship
Ted Banks wrote:
> I can picture the headlines now.Local Connecticut blues man "Big Thumb Ted
> Banks" picked up for snorting moonshine from a lemon pledge bottle .. .He was
> found sitting on the side of the road with his guitar and pledge bottle<G>picking
> the "I can't find my car keys blues" :):)Ted B
Ted Banks
Ha! You know what they say about a man with a big thumb, right?? 8-)
BTW, this Sunday Tommy Emmanuel and Stephen Bennett are playing two shows at
Connecticut College this Sunday. I'll be there! Eat your heart out, pal! So
there!
Ted ("I cain't find the hole fo' my key no mo' blues'" Banks
misifus
>
> Ken Cashion,
> Who wipes guitars with beer-soaked newspaper -- but he has
> heard of guitar polish.
Now, do we use a dark ale for the mahogany and a light lager for the spruce top,
or is there another logic at work here?
-Ralph
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http://www.ralphandsue.com
Ken Cashion
<rsei...@cox-internet.com> wrote:
>Ken Cashion wrote:
>
>>
>> Ken Cashion,
>> Who wipes guitars with beer-soaked newspaper -- but he has
>> heard of guitar polish.
>
>Now, do we use a dark ale for the mahogany and a light lager for the spruce top,
>or is there another logic at work here?
One might intuitively thinks so, but actually light American
lager works best all around because it is highly carbonated, has
little hopping, and it is cheap...and not worth drinking.
On the head of my travelling guitar, big Silvertone flat-top,
is the cap from a bottle of Black Swan from Perth, inside are beer
stains from Germany, and at the familiar place under the sound hole is
a silvery "guitar label" that reads "La Tropical" Las Palmas de Gran
Canaria -- Espania.
Beer and Guitars!
Guitars and Beer!
Ummm...gooooood!
Ken Cashion, whose guitars are held together by barm build-up
and frets are held in place by "fret putty."
CyberSerf
solutions...it has silicone and other nasties in it that makes things a bit
of a nightmare during repairs (nothing...but nothing will glue to it and it
is very hard to get off once on)...not a problem unless you need a bridge
reseated, or a pickguard installed or gasp, if you've used it on your
fingerboard and you need some frets reseated...sigh...and lacquer or shellac
has a real problem adhering and hardening with this junk underneath so
refinishing is another problem. I would recommend elbow grease and a bit of
humidity (breathe on the area) with a soft cotton cloth...this will give you
a great shine, but it does take some time...really nasty sticky stuff can be
removed with a bit of naphta on a cloth (it evaporates super fast and is
safe in small doses for most (if not all) finishes). If you do need to use a
polish, use one that has no silicone...it will say if it is not there...if
it doesn't say that it contains no silicone, chances are it does. Most
polishes made for instruments are silicone and nasty free...sure they cost
more...but they do alot less damage. Furniture polish is fine for furniture
(so long as you don't mind a build up), but, IMHO, it shouldn't be used on
instruments.
Cheers, CS
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Hojo2x
>As a repair person, I have to say I hate Pledge or any other such>solutions...
it has silicone and other nasties in it that makes things a bit>of a nightmare
during repairs
THANK you, Brother Serf!
>(nothing...but nothing will glue to it and it
>is very hard to get off once on).
TELL it, now! TEStify!
>..not a problem unless you need a bridge
>reseated, or a pickguard installed or gasp, if you've used it on
your>fingerboard and you need some frets reseated...sigh...
I have a WITNESS!! You can WALK that straight and narrow, or you can FALL, I
say FALL into sin and degradation and silicone buildup on the surface of your
guitar.
SURE, it makes things look shiny, and SURE, it gives you that delightful lemony
scent, but as Brother Serf has just testified, it's like applying repeated
layers of no-stickum on your guitar, and good LUCK trying to ever get it off
when it might be absolutely critical.
"CyberSerf" continues, and now he's hittin' his stride:
>.and lacquer or shellac>has a real problem adhering and hardening with this
junk underneath so>refinishing is another problem.
Oh, yeah. It's just a mess, really.
I'm going to snip all the rest except for his parting paragraph:
>Furniture polish is fine for furniture>(so long as you don't mind a build up),
but, IMHO, it shouldn't be used on
>instruments.
I second that, for all the reasons stated.
Sure, it might make your guitar feel PERKY and LOVABLE and springtime FRESH,
but it's bad news if you ever need to get work done on it further down the
line.
Hope that makes sense....
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
Ted Blankenship
when I was taking flying lesson the instructors were cleaning the Cessnas windows
with good old lemon pledge. It is a common practice I found out among small plane
pilots.I have never noticed the windows in the planes appearing nothing but crystal
clear.I also use it on my car windows they clean up crystal clear also..Ted
Blankenship
Hojo2x
can leave a buildup on instruments, Ted wrote:
>I am not sure about pledge leaving a buildup.
>when I was taking flying lesson the instructors were cleaning the Cessnas
>windows>with good old lemon pledge.
>I have never noticed the windows in the planes appearing nothing but crystal
>clear.I also use it on my car windows they clean up crystal clear also.
Ted, you aren't necessarily going to see it. If it's got silicone in it, it
actually will chemically bond with lacquer and get into the pores of the wood,
and then the adhesion problems that CyberSerf described will occur if and when
major work needs to be done on the instrument.
That's the point that I was trying to get across: it's insidious precisely
BECAUSE it leaves no visible trace. But it can create major, major problems -
not in the normal, everyday use of the instrument, but when refinishing or
regluing have to be done.
Most people never have anything like that done to their instruments, and the
way that a lot of the folks on this newsgroup buy, sell and trade off guitars
it will never be an issue for them. But I have had used instruments that
needed work done where somebody had used some sort of silicone based product on
them at some point. It created MAJOR headaches and drove the cost of the
repairs up by a significant factor.
That's why I personally take a dim view of using commercial furniture polishes
on musical instruments. Hope that makes sense.
Charlie Gibbs
(Hojo2x) writes:
>After I went off on a riff about how furniture polishes that contain
>silicone can leave a buildup on instruments, Ted wrote:
>
>>I am not sure about pledge leaving a buildup.
>
>>when I was taking flying lesson the instructors were cleaning the
>>Cessnas windows with good old lemon pledge.
Been there, done that - usually when we didn't have any genuine
Meguiar's Mirror Glaze.
>Ted, you aren't necessarily going to see it. If it's got silicone
>in it, it actually will chemically bond with lacquer and get into
>the pores of the wood, and then the adhesion problems that CyberSerf
>described will occur if and when major work needs to be done on the
>instrument.
Besides, guitars don't look anything like airplanes. And they
certainly don't SOUND like them.
When Martin Mull described his grandfather singing the Cleveland
delta blues he called himself Blind Lemon Pledge:
Woke up this afternoon, and found both cars were gone
I felt so low down deep inside, I threw my drink across the lawn
(slide ukulele break)
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get major repairs or overspray or whatever done to yer git-fiddle,
you'da better have done scraped off all that cruddy old build up with
yer whittlin' knife. I have found, direct from
http://www.pledge.com/pledge_university.asp no less(!), that Pledge
does in fact conatain silicone. Now, it may just have been 'cause in
my 30+ years of pickin, strumming, whackin' and scratchin at the
guitar, I never did have to go get no major repairs done. Now if you
go by what Pledge University says (See the "Pledge, our Best Friend"
section at http://www.pledge.com/pledge_bestfriend.asp, yes targeting
furniture people, maybe, just maybe, its because of all that silicone
protected the silly things from every known kind of damage possible!
Including, but not limited to, radiation, direct sun light, sand
paper, heat, more lemon pledge, pens, markers, pencils, buttons, belt
buckles, bugs, water, and being thrown down on stage! Seeing as how I
really want to treat my fine guitars new & old with true and proper
respect, I shall do my best to stay away from Pledge, although the
fact that its now available in Country Garden, Rainshower, and Orange
scents will make it a mighty tough bullet to bite....
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Jeff
Nanoguitar? They're made of PURE silicone. And did they ever come
out with a NanoAcoustic? If so where (and how) can I see one??? ;-P
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Trust No One
sil·i·cone Pronunciation Key (sl-kn)
n.
Any of a group of semi-inorganic polymers based on the structural unit
R2SiO, where R is an organic group, characterized by wide-range thermal
stability, high lubricity, extreme water repellence, and physiological
inertness and used in adhesives, lubricants, protective coatings,
paints, electrical insulation, synthetic rubber, and prosthetic
replacements for body parts.
sil·i·con Pronunciation Key (sl-kn, -kn)
n. Symbol Si
A nonmetallic element occurring extensively in the earth's crust in
silica and silicates, having both an amorphous and a crystalline
allotrope, and used doped or in combination with other materials in
glass, semiconducting devices, concrete, brick, refractories, pottery,
and silicones. Atomic number 14; atomic weight 28.086; melting point
1,410°C; boiling point 2,355°C; specific gravity 2.33; valence 4.
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Jeff wrote:
> Oh, yeah. I forgot to ask. What about using Lemon Pledge on a
> Nanoguitar? They're made of PURE silicone. And did they ever come
> out with a NanoAcoustic? If so where (and how) can I see one??? ;-P
>
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