OT: Sarah Palin, nude pics
curly'q
Anybody got the url?
TIA
LA
anyt...@contractorcom.com
Umm...who is Sarah Palin? I hope she doesn't look too much like
Michael Palin.
Pete
Shy Picker
Sarah Palan and Tall.
McCain's pick for vp.
Wade Hampton Miller
20 miles north of here, and is currently our governor. I played a
function about a year and a half ago where she showed up to work the
room.
She's highly telegenic, and is physically attractive in person, as
well. And she's a fairly good governor, wildly popular in comparison
to her predecessor.
She's no towering intellect - maybe five IQ points ahead of Dan Quayle
- but she does have the gift of leadership, no question about it.
She does have a fairly well masked vindictive streak, and got in
trouble her first year as mayor for illegally firing Wasilla's police
chief for reasons that are still unclear. And a similar episode took
place this year when she went after an Alaska State Trooper who's her
sister's ex-husband. The sister and Trooper Wooten are locked in an
ugly custody battle over their child, and Palin didn't cover herself
with glory the way she used her influence as governor to go after the
guy.
But what our local media was calling "Troopergate" fizzled when it was
revealed that most of the phone calls to the Trooper command structure
were from Palin's aides, not Palin herself. So while of course they
WERE acting on her behalf, it can't be PROVEN that they were, so she
emerged relatively unscathed from the charges of wielding her
influence improperly.
More Alaska politics than you wanted to hear, right?
Anyway, she's a mixed bag, just like most of us. She's staked out a
niche as a reform candidate in a deeply corrupt state Republican
Party, and the old line Alaskan Republicans like my in-laws don't like
her at all.
I'm not a fan, especially, and won't be voting for the Republican
ticket this November, but I do have a certain amount of respect for
the woman.
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
Ed Edelenbos
"Wade Hampton Miller" <WadeIn...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Probably the most honest assessment we'll get. (grin)
Ed
John Sorell
@mid.individual.net:
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> "Wade Hampton Miller" <WadeIn...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:09a266ce-8ef1-4032-a865-1eaaa55b06f2
I'm thinking it was a wise move by McCain. Not that that is an
endorsement. Just an observation.
John
Wade Hampton Miller
>
> > I'm thinking it was a wise move by McCain. Not that that is an
> endorsement. Just an observation.
>
> John
I agree, John, but would go beyond saying "wise move" to say it was a
truly brilliant stroke on his part.
It totally changes the dynamic of the election campaign, in one fell
swoop.
whm
John Sorell
4bec-be81-4...@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
It might be enough. Unless somebody digs up some good dirt.
John
Tony Weber
I've met her as well, again while Mayor. Interesting to hear how the
far right has been positioning her this morning as being intended to
draw that wing of the Repubs to support McCain.
And she is a naked play for the Hillery vote.
TW
amaril...@yahoo.com
<snip>
> I've met her as well, again while Mayor. Interesting to hear how the
> far right has been positioning her this morning as being intended to
> draw that wing of the Repubs to support McCain.
>
> And she is a naked play for the Hillery vote.
If he was just looking for those "I'll vote for any woman" voters, I'm
wondering why he didn't go for Kay Bailey Huchison. Did he feel the
need to "balance" his ticket with Obama-ish experience?
Wilbur Slice
I was becoming discouraged about Obama's chances, but I think McCain
might have just given Barack the election. Seriously - a housewife as
president? Nothing against housewives - my mother was a housewife.
But it's hardly a qualification for the presidency. And given
McCain's age, the proverbial "heartbeat away" is not much of a step.
If McCain and Obama were both somehow killed on November 1st and their
vice presidential picks succeeded them - Palin vs Biden, who would you
vote for? Seriously?
Ed Edelenbos
"Tony Weber" <mycro...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
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Going with gender only. On most issues, she is pretty much diametrically
opposed, it seems.
Ed
hank alrich
If you've been following events in AK (I've kids in Juneau) you see that
it ain't even going to take digging.
--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam
Tony Done
"Ed Edelenbos" <ed...@spookeasy.net> wrote in message
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I wonder if the Reps would have gone with a coloured running mate if Dems
had voted for Hillary?
Tony D
Steve Hawkins
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>
> I was becoming discouraged about Obama's chances, but I think McCain
> might have just given Barack the election. Seriously - a housewife as
> president?
Considering that "housewives" have and are serving in the military and at
all levels of Gov't., save the top two spots, I feel pretty comfortable
believing the majority of Americans would disagree with your comments.
Not even Howard Dean would be foolish enough to push this viewpoint.
Steve Hawkins
wa...@triad.rr.com
> "Ed Edelenbos" <e...@spookeasy.net> wrote in message
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> > "Tony Weber" <mycroft...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
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i find the choice remarkably lame. the number of women who would
support ms. palin as an alternative to hillary clinton must be
minimal, at best. they have no ideological similarities whatsoever.
beyond that, although this factor probably reflects more on my lack of
civic iparticipation than anything else, when i heard her name in
connection with her selection as a veep candidate was the first time i
had ever heard of her in my life. president *palin*? no thanks.
wayne harrison
JD
Hmmm....I'm wondering how much of the Ted Stevens shit splatters on her. I
find it hard to believe that a power broker of Steven's doesn't have an
influence at the gubernatorial level.
JD
JD
As if a rabid anti-abortionist could possibly sway a significant number of
Hillary supporters. Palin may be a woman but she sure doesn't seem to
espouse the values that the women's vote is looking for.
JD
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
OK, I give in. The teeth thread was more interesting.
Pete
anyt...@contractorcom.com
Heh - separated at birth - Sarah Palin and Barbra Streisand.
(I finally found a news article with a picture)
Pete.
Ed Edelenbos
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LOL! Post of the day.
anyt...@contractorcom.com
Ta.
P
Ed Edelenbos
"Tony Done" <tony...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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Y'know, I'm still trying to hash this one out. My initial thoughts are,
absolutely not. But my re-think is, improbable but not out of the picture.
My offhand supposition is that a white woman would have still been the most
likely choice.
Ed
Norman Draper
wrote:
> Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote innews:enlgb4p4iqsjkrni3...@4ax.com:
I disagree with your disagreement. I think that the majority of
Americans, particularly men, don't look favorably on women in power
positions.
What really surprised me was that, by selecting her, the GOP has
thrown in its strongest argument against Obama: inexperience. A woman
who was the mayor of a small Alaskan town who has "no interest in the
Iraq war" (her statement) could be COC..... Lord, give me Hillary
first.
I thought politcs were out around here.... :-)
Norman (Obama Will Win) Draper
anyt...@contractorcom.com
It would be interesting to hear from some of the women who post/lurk
here about what they think.
I sometimes wonder if all politics is a sort of male construct - look
at the bullshit going on with Russia about a new cold war - really,
what rot.
Women probably see this shit on the news and think "What a load of
bollocks", and they'd be right. There's plenty of women who read this
group - Betsey, Brenda, Shirl, Deb Cowan, Suze...they never post
anything in the threads about politics, guns, religion...y'know, all
the important stuff.
Does this mean that we men are wasting our time, or that the women
have just got their priorities right and are happy to let us all make
arses of ourselves?
Pete
Steve Hawkins
news:2ab74c79-b969-4cd2...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com:
> I disagree with your disagreement. I think that the majority of
> Americans, particularly men, don't look favorably on women in power
> positions.
1 for, 1 against. You realize, of course, you're saying Hillary never
had a chance. I definately don't believe that.
> What really surprised me was that, by selecting her, the GOP has
> thrown in its strongest argument against Obama: inexperience. A woman
> who was the mayor of a small Alaskan town who has "no interest in the
> Iraq war" (her statement) could be COC..... Lord, give me Hillary
> first.
hmmmmmm....last I heard she was the Governor of Alaska with an 82%
approval rating. Obama is a first term Senator who's spent a significant
amount of that time running for Pres.
BTW, she has a son shipping out very soon. You might want to update
you're source.
> I thought politcs were out around here.... :-)
>
> Norman (Obama Will Win) Draper
We'll find out in a couple of months.
Steve Hawkins
Paul
> On Aug 29, 4:44�pm, Steve Hawkins <res0p...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS>
> wrote:
>
> > Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote innews:enlgb4p4iqsjkrni3...@4ax.com:
>
> > > I was becoming discouraged about Obama's chances, but I think McCain
> > > might have just given Barack the election. �Seriously - a housewife as
> > > president? �
>
> > Considering that "housewives" have and are serving in the military and at
> > all levels of Gov't., save the top two spots, I feel pretty comfortable
> > believing the majority of Americans would disagree with your comments.
>
> > Not even Howard Dean would be foolish enough to push this viewpoint.
>
> > Steve Hawkins
>
> I disagree with your disagreement. �I think that the majority of
> Americans, particularly men, don't look favorably on women in power
> positions.
>
100% agreed. Especially Republicans are gonna
hesitate voting for McCain, given his age, if they think
this Beauty queen Barbie Doll will end up President.
I give McCain credit for really shaking up the
party, but it's a big risk, because he may have shaken
a bit too hard.
> What really surprised me was that, by selecting her, the GOP has
> thrown in its strongest argument against Obama: inexperience. �A woman
> who was the mayor of a small Alaskan town who has "no interest in the
> Iraq war" (her statement) could be COC..... �Lord, give me Hillary
> first.
>
100% agreed. Now the Dems have real
ammunition concerning inexperience.
But her raising-5-kids story might get
former Hillary supporters, and she has a
vagina, and other people with vaginas are gonna
want one in the White House.
> I thought politcs were out around here.... �:-)
>
Hell Freezes.....
ftshrimer
He shoulda got Hillary on as VEEP.
Misifus
As opposed to a man who at the time of the last Democratic National
Convention was a state senator, not a US senator, and he's the top banana.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:rafse...@att.net
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Misifus
> On Aug 29, 4:29�pm, Norman Draper <normandra...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Aug 29, 4:44�pm, Steve Hawkins <res0p...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wilbur Slice <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote innews:enlgb4p4iqsjkrni3...@4ax.com:
>>>> I was becoming discouraged about Obama's chances, but I think McCain
>>>> might have just given Barack the election. �Seriously - a housewife as
>>>> president? �
>>> Considering that "housewives" have and are serving in the military and at
>>> all levels of Gov't., save the top two spots, I feel pretty comfortable
>>> believing the majority of Americans would disagree with your comments.
>>> Not even Howard Dean would be foolish enough to push this viewpoint.
>>> Steve Hawkins
>> I disagree with your disagreement. �I think that the majority of
>> Americans, particularly men, don't look favorably on women in power
>> positions.
>>
>
> 100% agreed. Especially Republicans are gonna
> hesitate voting for McCain, given his age, if they think
> this Beauty queen Barbie Doll will end up President.
>
> I give McCain credit for really shaking up the
> party, but it's a big risk, because he may have shaken
> a bit too hard.
>
Your insight into the Republican mind is revealing.
betsey
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i find this paragraph fascinating...perhaps i am the one woman out
there who truly dislikes and has zero respect for Hillary Clinton,
though i find her easier to take than Obama. That Hillary is a woman
means nothing to me-it's not an attractant nor a detractant.
I'm interested in seeing how this plans out. My *gut* feeling is that
Ms. Palin just might be a breath of fresh air in this campaign. We
can play this scenario out in many ways...but I think i'm gonna like
her.
betsey
betsey
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Oh gosh pete, i'm sorry, i ruined the statistics for you! I posted!!
Betsey (oh help us if Obama wins...)
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
Betsey, you and the world will be worse off if McCain wins.
Trust me, I'm a man.
Pete
betsey
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:50:48 -0700 (PDT), betsey <twoxo...@aol.com>
Oh, OK, Thank you for pointing that out! I feel ever so much better
now....
betsey (where was that ruler? ten inches? really? trust you?? oh,
OK...)
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
>On Aug 29, 8:57 pm, anyth...@contractorcom.com wrote:
OK, I'll just stick to the poodle stuff...
Pete
Mitch
> have just got their priorities right and are happy to let us all make
> arses of ourselves?
>
> Pete
I don't know how you keep topping yourself,
but you've done it again my friend.
M-
betsey
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:28:41 -0700 (PDT), betsey <twoxo...@aol.com>
As much as I love the poodle stories, I also enjoy listening to you
about your life and views. I'm just feeling a bit brat-ish
tonight...too many men trying to tell me what i should think <g>.
betsey
Norman Draper
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Betsey.....
You "truly dislike and (have) zero respect for Hillary Clinton" and
dislike Barrack Obama even more, if I read that correctly. The next
time we are in each other's company, I'd really like to hear why you
have such animus toward them.
Lord, I sure think we see the world in different terms.....
By the way, attractant means the following: a substance, such as a
pheromone, that attracts insects or other animals.
Norman Draper
BobN
supporters are pleased with the Palin choice and now favor the McCain/Palin
ticket. Here is a link to the Hillary Clinton forum so you can read them
for yourself.
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=319459#post319459
Norman Draper
wrote:
Hillary had a chance.... Not a great one, but a chance. I think
Obama has a better chance. I think she would have had and he will
have an uphill battle with white males, generally speaking.
Palin on being VP (8/02/08): “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll
tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers
for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to
being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We
want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of
position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying
to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even
start addressing that question.”
Ahhhh.... Wonderful. Someone running for the VP of the United States
who does not know what the VP of the United States does......
Palin on oil and the war (8/14/08): The GOP agenda to ramp up domestic
supplies of energy is the only way that we're going to become energy
independent, the only way that we are going to become a more secure
nation — and I say this, of course, looking at the situation we are in
right now, at war, not knowing what the plan is to ever end the war
that we're engaged in, understanding that Americans are seeking
solutions, and they are seeking resolution in this war effort, so
energy supplies, being able to produce and supply domestically, is
going to be a big part of that.
"....I have a 19 year old who's getting ready to be deployed to Iraq.
His Stryker brigade will leave on September 11th of this year. He's
19, he'll be gone for a year. [And so] kind of on a personal level,
when I talk about, umm, the plan for the war, you know, let's make
sure we have a plan here, and respecting McCain's position on that."
Steve, do you think either Obama or Biden would sound this lame when
talking about national issues? And ask yourself this: if you had a
son about to go to Iraq, would you have a full understanding of your
party's presumptive nominee's position on the war? How about the
nominees of BOTH partys???
Here she is, sort of in person: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ys4HGbiONY
Breath of fresh air?? :-) :-)
Norman Draper
BobN
a matter of what deal is agreed with the President. Some VPs have said the
job "isn't worth a bucket of warm spit," or that it entails merely "daily
enquiring about the President's health." Others have had substantial senior
management roles.
So why is your criticism of her statement legitimate? Do you have a job
description for the VP?
Both Obama and Biden have sounded much lamer than Palin on the war and oil.
Especially so since they claim to be the experts with the Answer. Obama's
plan for the war has consistently been to lose it. Biden's suggested
response to 9/11 was to send Iran a check for $200m to show we understand
the Arab viewpoint. [Not stopping to think that Iranians are not Arabs.]
I also wonder if the snippet you quote may have been about the GWOT rather
than Iraq, which is a much more difficult subject.
Is the fun of partisan slinging (full disclosure: I, too, enjoy it) causing
you to shoot from the lip a little?
Steve Hawkins
> On Aug 29, 7:50 pm, Steve Hawkins <res0p...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS>
> wrote:
>> Norman Draper <normandra...@verizon.net> wrote
>> innews:2ab74c79-b969-4cd2-
> bff5-337...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com:
Norm, that is the finest example of twisted, distorted and just plain,
biased and unfair analysis I've seen to date. This is why I believe the
Democratic and Republican parties will never unite this nation. The
amount of hate from the extremes will not allow a fair and genuine
debate, nor will they ever provide the leaders who will put the good of
the nation first.
Steve Hawkins
Shy Picker
From what I've seen of Norm's posts, I doesn't look to me that he
likes "partisan slinging". He seems to like to present his view
without the name calling and insults and accusations that you seem to
enjoy.
BobN
likes "partisan slinging". He seems to like to present his view
without the name calling and insults and accusations that you seem to
enjoy.
Do you mean like this?
Hey Nose Picker, stop lying about what I wrote, you idiot.
But that isn't what I was doing. Most of the liberals I've spoken to around
here in the past ten years have been proud to proclaim their liberal bona
fides. Although I could argue that the phrase is an oxymoron.
If you can't argue from real facts with valid logic, then arguing with you
is a waste of time.
John Albert
<< Norm, that is the finest example of twisted, distorted
and just plain, biased and unfair analysis I've seen to
date. This is why I believe the Democratic and Republican
parties will never unite this nation >>
I believe the USA is becoming as culturally and politcally
"divided" as was the country in the 1850's. And we all know
what _that_ led up to.
Looking at the "red" and the "blue" states, it's almost as
if we were watching one of those films made through a
microscope of cellular division - where one can distinctly
see the two separate forms taking shape from a single one.
And as the division progresses, the rhetoric becomes more
heated, pointed, and polarized.
That's ok with me, actually. With the cultural and
philosophical divide, one has to stand pretty much on one
side or the other. I've stood on _both_ sides, but at
different times in my life. I stand "on the red side" these
days, probably one of the few who read and post in this
forum who does.
The topic was Sarah Palin. I participate over at
freerepublic.com and all of my postings regarding Palin
there have been un-approving. She has little more time in
"higher office" than does Obama, though at least Palin has
actually had some executive experience, whereas Obama's
entire Senate career seems to have been trying to
springboard his campaign for president, and not much of
anything else.
The fact that McCain is getting on in years - and has a
prior history of cancer - means that a vice-presidential
pick for him might actually have to ascend to the higher
office in the event McCain can't complete the term. Like it
or not, we're involved in two wars, and could very likely
end up in two more in the next four years (Iran, and quite
possibly Pakistan, if it falls into the hands of the
Taliban). This calls for a "wartime president", and I don't
believe that Ms. Palin, for any of her other qualities, fits
that description. Very few women do, actually (you're free
to call me a troglodyte if you wish, I'll wear that moniker
with pride). Margaret Thatcher, Ms. Palin ain't.
But this is the year of "identity candidates". We all know
who Mr. Obama is supposed to "identify with" - he's gonna
get 95%+ of their vote. There are a lot of scorned women out
there who identified with Ms. Hillary, and perhaps Sarah
Palin will ring in a few of the disgruntled. We'll see.
I'm an old white guy, so take a guess who _I_ "identify"
with.... :)
- John
Shy Picker
> "Shy Picker" <ShyPic...@aol.com> From what I've seen of Norm's posts, I
> doesn't look to me that he
> likes "partisan slinging". He seems to like to present his view
> without the name calling and insults and accusations that you seem to
> enjoy.
>
> Do you mean like this?
>
> Hey Nose Picker, stop lying about what I wrote, you idiot.
I'm not suprised you went there.
>
> But that isn't what I was doing. Most of the liberals I've spoken to around
> here in the past ten years have been proud to proclaim their liberal bona
> fides. �Although I could argue that the phrase is an oxymoron.
>
> If you can't argue from real facts with valid logic, then arguing with you
> is a waste of time.
First, you want others to validate their statments with links to
research but you don't do it yourself and now you want me to argue
from real facts and valid logic even tho you don't do it yourself.
Quite typical of a self professed "partisan slinger" like you.
BobN
"Shy Picker" <ShyP...@aol.com> wrote in message
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First, you want others to validate their statments with links to
research but you don't do it yourself and now you want me to argue
from real facts and valid logic even tho you don't do it yourself.
Quite typical of a self professed "partisan slinger" like you.
Welcome to my ignore list. You aren't worth talking to.
Ray Boyce
"Steve Hawkins" <res0...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS> wrote in message
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I gotta say I tend to lean republican, but because of what I see as
corruption, these days I'm neither a one-party nor a one-issue voter... and
I'm seriously confused. Every reason I had to not want McCain somehow has
evaporated, beyond my ability to explain, and I agree that it was a good
move for him.
As for those who tout "experience"... Obama has 143 working days total in
the Senate... 143 working days, from the time he started to the time he
started on the campaign trail. I was worried about this, but I _was_
leaning his way.
And Palin is only looking to be vice pres, (Obviously have to ask the what
if??? question, but it's still 2nd chair to start with)
And she's the only one with gov Executive experience. And she appears to
resist the corruption.
I agree Steve, we'll see.
hank alrich
> And she's the only one with gov Executive experience. And she appears to
> resist the corruption.
She appears to be slick enough to have her aides taking care of her
personal abuse of the power of her office in attempting to get her
sister's ex fired from his job as an Alaskan State trooper.
--
ha
Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam
hank alrich
You exhibit a fascinating hypcorisy.
You can't talk to him because he addresses your bullshit. And you have
nothing to back that up.
Ignore him as you wish. Your bullshit is obvious.
Ray Boyce
"hank alrich" <walk...@nv.net> wrote in message
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she won't be going to jail for selling oil votes, yet she will have to stay
clean enough to survive counter attack by all those who've preceded her in
that manner
Ray Boyce
> Norman Draper <normandra...@verizon.net> wrote
> innews:2ab74c79-b969-4cd2...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com:
>>Palin on being VP (8/02/08): “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll
tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers
for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to
being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We
want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of
position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying
to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even
start addressing that question.”<<
>>Ahhhh.... Wonderful. Someone running for the VP of the United States
who does not know what the VP of the United States does......<<
I hear her saying she has to know the role/duties of a somewhat fluid job
description, before she would commit to the office, and before sacrificing
some of the good things she feels (and the voters she represents
overwhelmingly feel, btw), she's accomplishing in her current job-role.
Sort of how I would hope to react while discussing a potential promotion,
while feeling good about where I was at.
This (IMO) demonstrates measured caution, as opposed to the arrogant
inverse, "I have the answers now", for "what I can do, from 2nd chair"...
and (IMO) that would be arrogant for anyone GOP or DEM, who represents that
position.
>>Palin on oil and the war (8/14/08): The GOP agenda to ramp up domestic
>>supplies of energy is the only way that we're going to become energy
>>independent, the only way that we are going to become a more secure
>>nation — and I say this, of course, looking at the situation we are in
>>right now, at war, not knowing what the plan is to ever end the war that
>>we're engaged in, understanding that Americans are seeking solutions, and
>>they are seeking resolution in this war effort, so energy supplies, being
>>able to produce and supply domestically, is going to be a big part of
>>that.
"....I have a 19 year old who's getting ready to be deployed to Iraq. His
Stryker brigade will leave on September 11th of this year. He's 19, he'll be
gone for a year. [And so] kind of on a personal level, when I talk about,
umm, the plan for the war, you know, let's make sure we have a plan here,
and respecting McCain's position on that."
...do you think either Obama or Biden would sound this lame when talking
about national issues? And ask yourself this: if you had a son about to go
to Iraq, would you have a full understanding of your party's presumptive
nominee's position on the war? How about the nominees of BOTH partys???<<
I hear her intent very differently from you again.... Norm. She says "we",
refers to the GOP overall, and she questions the logic/answers currently
provided as to precision of termination plans for the war... which (IMO)
means she doesn't intend to take the party line just for the sake of the
party line.
Yes breath of fresh air.
I work for some pretty powerful people (business not politics or at least
not gov politics) myself, and I'll be first to admit that I sometimes
stutter and may not sound too intelligent at times when trying to disagree
with their pet position on complex issues.... but that doesn't make me
ineffective. In fact I'm reminded by them, often enough, that the sum of
the effort makes me valuable to them, and keeps me employed. (But I'd
regret youtube at times.)
Finally, the choice of word "lame", playing it as a trump card, to blast
away at someone's past voice of an honest impromptu verbal response to a
reporter is blatantly disrepectful Norm, and to be honest, I'm surprised,
disappointed because I've come to know better of you, (in the respect
department).
As for how this moves me, I don't care nearly as much how someone responds
to an impromptu news interview, as I care about how they enact, ratify, or
enable successful government.
The only committee that Obama headed in that 143 days that he worked in
senate, never even met. Polished speeches at a national convention just
don't do it for me with that kind of record. We don't need a great orator,
we need a great communicator and a great facilitator.
Yes IMO, breath of fresh air, as far as Palin goes... McCain on the other
hand, for me seems the fav of 2 not so optimal candidates.
Congratulations to Obama for his accomplishments, and for all our sake I
hope the country learns to consider the choice carefully and learns to not
engage in mudslinging or just following the party line.
Summary: PLEASE VOTE
~ray
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
>On Aug 29, 9:45 pm, anyth...@contractorcom.com wrote:
Heh - one of the reasons men seem so opinionated is that women never
tell us what they really think - which of course leads us to
ridiculous, nonsensical conclusions.
Reminds me of a bit of script in one of the Lethal Weapon series of
films "These guys are really pissing me off - why don't we just go out
and kill the bastards!" (or something like that).
Pete
anyt...@contractorcom.com
I do - about once a week I fall completely off the wagon and sit up
half the night writing stream of consciousness stuff. Sometimes it
makes sense, sometimes it's just funny, and sometimes it's drivel.
I can't afford to do it more than once a week though - my liver
wouldn't take it..:-)
Pete
Ed Edelenbos
At least she hasn't gone hunting and shot him in the face.
Yet.
Ed
betsey
>
> - Show quoted text -
Norman--
In all honesty we probably do see the world in different terms.
However, as i have stated in the past, my view is not often seen at
all by politicians <g>. There is not a candidate in this race right
now that represents how *I* think things should be done.
But here is the thing, I'm an american and that gives me the right/
priveledge to like/dislike a candidate. That both hilary and obama
happen to be democrats may or may not be related. I could go on a
tear about both, but why would you want to listen to that? However, if
Hillary HAD gotten the nomination and then somehow was actually
elected, at least it would solve one of my problems, Corzine would be
in DC instead of NJ!
Betsey
betsey
>
> - Show quoted text -
Norman--
betsey
>
> - Show quoted text -
I apologize for the double posting...me and google, what can i say?
BobN
is merely an insulting accusation, unsupported by any facts.
And look up "rebut" before you merely sling off-the-point personal comments.
BobN
there is an investigation sparked by an unproven allegation by the
disgruntled employee whom she fired. Not exactly an unimpeachable source.
curly'q
Blah, blah, blah, blah , blah
Where's the nude pics?
La
Tom Hendricks / Musea
> On Aug 29, 3:02 pm, Tony Weber <mycroft...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > I've met her as well, again while Mayor. Interesting to hear how the
> > far right has been positioning her this morning as being intended to
> > draw that wing of the Repubs to support McCain.
>
> > And she is a naked play for the Hillery vote.
>
> wondering why he didn't go for Kay Bailey Huchison. Did he feel the
> need to "balance" his ticket with Obama-ish experience?
I would have loved that. That would be great to get Kay out of Texas
and
get a more progressive senator.
Shy Picker
He said your bullshit is obvious. What is it about that you don't
understand?
Misifus
Pete, they tell us. We just don't listen. Ask them, they'll confirm that.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
mailto:rafse...@att.net
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Sherm
<res0...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS> wrote:
>amount of hate from the extremes will not allow a fair and genuine
>debate, nor will they ever provide the leaders who will put the good of
>the nation first.
I say "Take Heart, My Friend." I used to think that if the lunatic
fringes would just stf UP for 5 minutes the rest of could probably
work out some reasonable compromises. But then isn't that exactly
what does happen? The bullshit's all just part of the action and its
nothing new and we still get things done. We've been doing it this
way for 200 years, fcol. Ever since the treachery of the colonies!
(Right, Pete?). Its like NBA officiating, you let the bad calls
cancel each other out.
Sherm
Steve Hawkins
news:6tnib41erq5ek16r3...@4ax.com:
Yeah, I know. There are certain people I expect that stuff from. Norm,
surprised me.
I take it you haven't been following the NBA officiating scandal? :-)
Steve Hawkins
Wade Hampton Miller
jurisdiction while she's been governor, (unless he made a lightning
trip up here in the past twenty months, Tony met her while she was
mayor of Wasilla,) I can say this:
Sarah Palin is a competent governor, and due to her immense political
popularity in the state has gotten more done than if she was just
another officeholder.
It's not that she's any kind of genius - she isn't. As I wrote in my
earlier post, she's got maybe five IQ points on Dan Quayle.
But that doesn't matter. She is so popular with the people in this
state that if our deeply corrupt state legislators drag their heels
and oppose her plans because their oil company masters don't want the
extra taxes, they get endless phone calls from their constituents
until they reluctantly, grudgingly vote her way.
She's a by-God political phenomenon, and I've never seen anyone like
her serving in public office in this or in any other state I've lived
in.
The danger, as I see it, is that in addition to the vindictive streak
I mentioned earlier, she also has a towering Messianic complex that
this vice-presidential nomination can only accellerate. Even as
governor she's had a tendency to regard even her most impractical
impulses and pronouncements as inalterably right. I don't see that
tendency clearing up and going away - just the opposite.
So, no, I don't want her a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
"Wouldn't be prudent," as Dubya's daddy used to say.
Doesn't matter what I think, though - she looks great on camera, and
she doesn't need to be able to give coherent policy statements to get
votes. All she has to do is exude empathy, and she's a world class
empathy exuder.
Hope that makes sense.
JD
Wade Hampton Miller wrote:
<snip>
>
> Doesn't matter what I think, though - she looks great on camera, and
> she doesn't need to be able to give coherent policy statements to get
> votes.
I can only pray that we're not cursed with so much collective stupidity as
to actually make a decision on those grounds.
JD
Rick Ruskin
wrote:
Pray _REAL_ hard and often.
Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://liondogmusic.com
http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin
John Albert
<< in addition to the vindictive streak
I mentioned earlier, she also has a towering Messianic
complex that this vice-presidential nomination can only
right. >>
Um, Wade...
Doesn't that seem more the characteristic of a _woman_, and
less so a Messiah?
(laughing, running, and hiding).
By the way, we already _have_ a Messiah running - on the
other side. Columned temple and all! (more laughs)
- John
Geezer
"John Albert" <j.al...@snet.net> wrote in message
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Uhh John...
It's a good thing that you're out of my wife's range (or at least I hope you
are).
She's qualified to 600 yards...
Geezer
Norman Draper
>
> - Show quoted text -
An apology!! That will probably start a thread of its own!!
Do you like McCain??
By the way, it was just reported that Palin has the most negative VP
numbers since Dan Quayle..... So much for McCain's vaunted decision-
making capability.
Norman (Sending Even MORE Money To Obama!!) Draper
Misifus
I don't want to get involved in a political shoot-out, but there are
reasons for choosing a different candidate than the one you favor other
than stupidity. Hard as it may be to imagine, some pretty bright people
view things differently, and can even be offended by the suggestion that
stupidity is the only way to account for conservatism.
No names, no issues, I'm merely calling attention to this trend I've
noticed in the course of these discussions. This isn't about Jack's
post, although it did remind me of something I'd been noticing. In the
course of any argument, to differ is not to be stupid, but to hold a
different opinion. To impute stupidity where none is proven is rather
like an ad hominem argument.
hank alrich
Sherm
<res0...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS> wrote:
>Yeah, I know. There are certain people I expect that stuff from. Norm,
>surprised me.
LOL. Yeah, gee .... he sure has gotten ....... uh .... zealous? :-)
(Bless his heart.) :-)
Sherm
Norman Draper
> Norm, as far as I know there is no official job description for the VP. It's
> a matter of what deal is agreed with the President. Some VPs have said the
> job "isn't worth a bucket of warm spit," or that it entails merely "daily
> enquiring about the President's health." Others have had substantial senior
> management roles.
> So why is your criticism of her statement legitimate? Do you have a job
> description for the VP?
"According to the Constitution, the Vice President of the United
States is the first person in the presidential line of succession,
becoming the new President of the United States upon the death,
resignation, or removal of the president, serving out the balance of
that presidential term no matter how much or little time remains in
it. As designated by the Constitution of the United States, the vice
president also serves as the President of the Senate, and may break
tie votes in that chamber. He or she may be assigned additional duties
by the president but, as the Constitution assigns no executive powers
to the vice president, in performing such duties he or she acts only
as an agent of the president."
Is there any chance whatsoever that she could have mentioned any of
the above? Even the senate job would have shown me something
positive.
In my lifetime I've seen two VPs take over the office of president:
Johnson and Ford. I considered both to be well qualified for the
position. Johnson may well have been the most powerful man ever in
the senate. Do you for even a nanosecond feel that, in you heart of
hearts, she holds a candle to those two?
> Both Obama and Biden have sounded much lamer than Palin on the war and oil.
> Especially so since they claim to be the experts with the Answer. Obama's
> plan for the war has consistently been to lose it.
Would you provide a few direct comparisons between these folks to show
how Obama/Biden are "much lamer" than Palin? We'll see if we agree on
what constitutes lame.
>Biden's suggested response to 9/11 was to send Iran a check for $200m to show >we understandthe Arab viewpoint. [Not stopping to think that Iranians are not >Arabs.]
Do you REALLY want to go there after McCain's foot-in-mouth statements
while actually IN Iraq? Remember? Lieberman had to whisper in his
ear on several occasions, telling him he was "mistaken". In my humble
opinion, Lieberman would have been a far more viable selection for
VP. I really believe McCain has shot himself in the foot with Palin.
> I also wonder if the snippet you quote may have been about the GWOT rather
> than Iraq, which is a much more difficult subject.
The GWOT, while a significant and very real problem, has unfortunately
been turned into a "little boy crying wolf" senario by Bush. If you'd
like me to, I'll give you chapter and verse of the series of terror
alerts Bush has employed since 2001... and the subsequent decline of
his approval ratings.
An aside: the Iraq "government" wants us out; the majority of
Americans want us out; even the Bush Administration has concluded it's
time to go. Only you and McCain (and Palin?) seem to think we should
continue the war.
> Is the fun of partisan slinging (full disclosure: I, too, enjoy it) causing
> you to shoot from the lip a little?
To answer your final question: nope, it hasn't. Point out where you
think I have. On the other hand, calling Obama the messiah is, in my
opinion. Remember: that's just my opinion. I highly value these
conversations here on rmmga. I also believe that there are some ideas
presented on both sides that may help some individuals to better
understand the national situation.
In 2000, McCain was one of those rare Republicans who had my full
attention. He really was independent.... Of course, Bush fucked him
with his pants on, employing the same style of lies and inuendo to
defeat him that he later used to get us into the war.
Norman (I Just Came In LAST In A Swimming Race!!) Draper
John Sorell
news:0f682d46-424b-46c3...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Does anybody remember Al "I'm in charge here" Haig?
John
Angelocracy
> Anybody got the url?
>
> TIA
>
> LA
http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-vice-president-and-crowd.html
Larry Brown
"conservatism"?
Hell at this point I'd take some conservatism over what we've been
getting.
As you said, the "grounds" JD mentioned had nothing to do with
conservatism.
A trend *I've* noticed is people from the right who defend the Bush
administration and current Republican policies in general getting
offended and acting as if they are outnumbered and picked on if they
are scoffed at and/or presented with the evidence that things aren't
being run very well, while at the same time throwing around(or chiming
in to agree with) references to the "messiah" and "cults" etc.., which
isn't using the word "stupid" but is the same as saying if you support
Obama you are some kind of an idiot who doesn't favor him for his
policies, but because he is popular.
One group here criticizes the government and those who defend it,
another group here criticizes those who criticize the government.
But we're all big boys and girls, eh?
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
(huge snippage)
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> As much as I love the poodle stories, I also enjoy listening to you
>>> about your life and views. I'm just feeling a bit brat-ish
>>> tonight...too many men trying to tell me what i should think <g>.
>>>
>>> betsey
>>
>> Heh - one of the reasons men seem so opinionated is that women never
>> tell us what they really think - which of course leads us to
>> ridiculous, nonsensical conclusions.
>>
>
>Pete, they tell us. We just don't listen. Ask them, they'll confirm that.
>
> -Raf
Actually, I do listen, but sometimes it's better to shut the F.U. and
just ignore...
On the other hand, if I had a son wanted to join the army and fight in
Iraq (or anywhere else) and my wife was giving him the rant about the
pointlessness of war and all the rest of it, I'd be right behind her.
'Specially if she had a knife in her hand at the time...:-)
Pete
anyt...@contractorcom.com
<norman...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Aug 30, 12:31 am, "BobN" <nob...@here.com> wrote:
> Obama's plan for the war has consistently been to lose it.
S'cuse me for completely taking this thread (which is essentially
about people's qualifications for VP) off at a tangent.
Obama's plan has always been to persuade people that the war has
already been lost. The US got away with some dignity in Korea, got
totally humiliated in Vietnam, and following the Yalta conference at
the end of WWII more or less handed over a quarter of the world's
population to the Russians.
I know I'm being brutally rude, but the USA is not particularly good
at picking it's wars, for all it's military strength.
With respect to all the men and women who have lost their lives
prosecuting the war in Iraq, the whole venture has been a complete
waste of time, money and lives - there is not a single issue which
couldn't have been solved with money. The Saudis I have a problem
with - they really are the most hypocritical nation on Earth, but the
Iraqis and the Iranians are much more European than some of the
frightened West seem to understand.
If only we could talk some sense into the fucking Zionists there
really could be peace on Earth.
Pete
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
Yeah, but only because you reminded me.
Pete
Tom from Texas
news:f7ccc6dc-f063-4ac3...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
The damn shame is that Kay Bailey Hutchinson didn't want the VP cause she
wants to come back to Texas and be governor.
--
Tom from Texas
(The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers is not liable
for any slander, hurt feelings, pointless moaning, or achy-breaky heartache
any
post under this name should cause. Yall want some easy cash or sympathy...
ya can kiss my grits!! )
Tom from Texas
voted against increasing military pay and benefits?
--
Tom from Texas
(The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers is not liable
for any slander, hurt feelings, pointless moaning, or achy-breaky heartache
any
post under this name should cause. Yall want some easy cash or sympathy...
ya can kiss my grits!! )
"betsey" <twox...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 29, 11:35 pm, Norman Draper <normandra...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 8:49 pm, betsey <twoxo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 29, 4:54 pm, "wa...@triad.rr.com" <wa...@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 29, 4:38 pm, "Tony Done" <tonyd...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Ed Edelenbos" <e...@spookeasy.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:6hr3j3F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > > > "Tony Weber" <mycroft...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
> > > > >news:RcidncR1CexyyCXV...@speakeasy.net...
> > > > >> Wade Hampton Miller wrote:
> > > > >>> I've met Sarah Palin. She's the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska,
> > > > >>> just
> > > > >>> 20 miles north of here, and is currently our governor. I played
> > > > >>> a
> > > > >> I've met her as well, again while Mayor. Interesting to hear how
> > > > >> the far
> > > > >> right has been positioning her this morning as being intended to
> > > > >> draw
> > > > >> that wing of the Repubs to support McCain.
>
> > > > >> And she is a naked play for the Hillery vote.
>
> > > > >> TW
>
> > > > > Going with gender only. On most issues, she is pretty much
> > > > > diametrically
> > > > > opposed, it seems.
>
> > > > > Ed
>
> > > > I wonder if the Reps would have gone with a coloured running mate if
> > > > Dems
> > > > had voted for Hillary?
>
> > > > Tony D- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > i find the choice remarkably lame. the number of women who would
> > > support ms. palin as an alternative to hillary clinton must be
> > > minimal, at best. they have no ideological similarities whatsoever.
> > > beyond that, although this factor probably reflects more on my lack of
> > > civic iparticipation than anything else, when i heard her name in
> > > connection with her selection as a veep candidate was the first time i
> > > had ever heard of her in my life. president *palin*? no thanks.
>
> > > wayne harrison- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > i find this paragraph fascinating...perhaps i am the one woman out
> > there who truly dislikes and has zero respect for Hillary Clinton,
> > though i find her easier to take than Obama. That Hillary is a woman
> > means nothing to me-it's not an attractant nor a detractant.
>
> > I'm interested in seeing how this plans out. My *gut* feeling is that
> > Ms. Palin just might be a breath of fresh air in this campaign. We
> > can play this scenario out in many ways...but I think i'm gonna like
> > her.
>
> > betsey- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Betsey.....
>
> You "truly dislike and (have) zero respect for Hillary Clinton" and
> dislike Barrack Obama even more, if I read that correctly. The next
> time we are in each other's company, I'd really like to hear why you
> have such animus toward them.
>
> Lord, I sure think we see the world in different terms.....
>
> By the way, attractant means the following: a substance, such as a
> pheromone, that attracts insects or other animals.
>
> Norman Draper- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Norman--
Dwight
> "Tom Hendricks / Musea" <tom-he...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:f7ccc6dc-f063-4ac3...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 3:08 pm, amarillo2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Aug 29, 3:02 pm, Tony Weber <mycroft...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I've met her as well, again while Mayor. Interesting to hear how the
>>> far right has been positioning her this morning as being intended to
>>> draw that wing of the Repubs to support McCain.
>>> And she is a naked play for the Hillery vote.
>> If he was just looking for those "I'll vote for any woman" voters, I'm
>> wondering why he didn't go for Kay Bailey Huchison. Did he feel the
>> need to "balance" his ticket with Obama-ish experience?
>
> I would have loved that. That would be great to get Kay out of Texas
> and
> get a more progressive senator.
>
>
> The damn shame is that Kay Bailey Hutchinson didn't want the VP cause she
> wants to come back to Texas and be governor.
>
If she becomes governor of Texas, I'll never be able to keep my oldest
here in Texas. Carrie once got into a discussion with her and Kay made a
very condescending remark to Carrie. To this day Carrie hates that woman
with a passion.
Dwight
Tom from Texas
"Norman Draper" <norman...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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In my lifetime I've seen two VPs take over the office of president:
Johnson and Ford. I considered both to be well qualified for the
position. Johnson may well have been the most powerful man ever in
the senate. Do you for even a nanosecond feel that, in you heart of
hearts, she holds a candle to those two?
Norman (I Just Came In LAST In A Swimming Race!!) Draper
For Humor's Sake: Norm, ye forgot about Dick Cheney who took over the
presidency from Bush.
Norman Draper
wrote:
> Norman Draper <normandra...@verizon.net> wrote innews:f7a29f3c-5868-4474...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 29, 7:50 pm, Steve Hawkins <res0p...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS>
> > wrote:
> >> Norman Draper <normandra...@verizon.net> wrote
> >> innews:2ab74c79-b969-4cd2-
> > bff5-337084c4d...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > I disagree with your disagreement. I think that the majority of
> >> > Americans, particularly men, don't look favorably on women in power
> >> > positions.
>
> >> never had a chance. I definately don't believe that.
>
> >> > What really surprised me was that, by selecting her, the GOP has
> >> > thrown in its strongest argument against Obama: inexperience. A
> >> > woma
> > n
> >> > who was the mayor of a small Alaskan town who has "no interest in
> >> > the Iraq war" (her statement) could be COC..... Lord, give me
> >> > Hillary first.
>
> >> approval rating. Obama is a first term Senator who's spent a
> >> significa
> > nt
> >> amount of that time running for Pres.
>
> >> BTW, she has a son shipping out very soon. You might want to update
> >> you're source.
>
> >> > I thought politcs were out around here.... :-)
>
> >> > Norman (Obama Will Win) Draper
>
>
> >> Steve Hawkins
>
> > Hillary had a chance.... Not a great one, but a chance. I think
> > Obama has a better chance. I think she would have had and he will
> > have an uphill battle with white males, generally speaking.
>
> > Palin on being VP (8/02/08): “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll
> > tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers
> > for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to
> > being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We
> > want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of
> > position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying
> > to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even
> > start addressing that question.”
>
> > Ahhhh.... Wonderful. Someone running for the VP of the United States
> > who does not know what the VP of the United States does......
>
> > Palin on oil and the war (8/14/08): The GOP agenda to ramp up domestic
> > supplies of energy is the only way that we're going to become energy
> > independent, the only way that we are going to become a more secure
> > nation — and I say this, of course, looking at the situation we are in
> > right now, at war, not knowing what the plan is to ever end the war
> > that we're engaged in, understanding that Americans are seeking
> > solutions, and they are seeking resolution in this war effort, so
> > energy supplies, being able to produce and supply domestically, is
> > going to be a big part of that.
>
> > "....I have a 19 year old who's getting ready to be deployed to Iraq.
> > His Stryker brigade will leave on September 11th of this year. He's
> > 19, he'll be gone for a year. [And so] kind of on a personal level,
> > when I talk about, umm, the plan for the war, you know, let's make
> > sure we have a plan here, and respecting McCain's position on that."
>
> > Steve, do you think either Obama or Biden would sound this lame when
> > talking about national issues? And ask yourself this: if you had a
> > son about to go to Iraq, would you have a full understanding of your
> > party's presumptive nominee's position on the war? How about the
> > nominees of BOTH partys???
>
> > Here she is, sort of in person:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ys4HGbiONY
>
> > Breath of fresh air?? :-) :-)
>
> > Norman Draper
>
> Norm, that is the finest example of twisted, distorted and just plain,
> biased and unfair analysis I've seen to date. This is why I believe the
> Democratic and Republican parties will never unite this nation. The
> amount of hate from the extremes will not allow a fair and genuine
> debate, nor will they ever provide the leaders who will put the good of
> the nation first.
>
>
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Point out the distortions and twists. Bias I'll admit to. Unfair I
leave to Fox News.
And which party do you look to for the future? You may as well pick
one.
By the way, the two parties together will never unite the country
together. It will take a clear mandate from one or the other. I
could give you probable scenarios for a "united" country under each
party, but I think you already know what they would look like. I'm
just more comfortable with one than the other.
Norman (The Better One! LOL!!) Draper
Tom from Texas
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"BobN" <nob...@here.com> wrote in message
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> Hank, you might wait to accuse her until all the facts are revealed. So
> far there is an investigation sparked by an unproven allegation by the
> disgruntled employee whom she fired. Not exactly an unimpeachable source.
>
Norman Draper
wrote:
> Sherm <wheezer1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote innews:6tnib41erq5ek16r3...@4ax.com:
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A comma is not necessary after my name.
Here's you're VP candidate.
She was elected Alaska 's governor a little over a year and a half
ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside
Anchorage . She has no foreign policy experience.
Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of
rape or incest.
She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in
2000.
Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.
She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.
She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy
policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables
won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for
listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would
interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.
How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once
at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called
her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
There you go. Creationism. Pat Buchanan. Big Oil. Polar bears.
I'm thrilled she's the GOP choice. Fucking thrilled.
Norman (As Obama Said, That's A Debate I Welcome) Draper
Jenn
"Tom from Texas" <tris...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Tom Hendricks / Musea" <tom-he...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:f7ccc6dc-f063-4ac3...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 3:08 pm, amarillo2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Aug 29, 3:02 pm, Tony Weber <mycroft...@SOCKSspeakeasy.net> wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > > I've met her as well, again while Mayor. Interesting to hear how the
> > > far right has been positioning her this morning as being intended to
> > > draw that wing of the Repubs to support McCain.
> >
> > > And she is a naked play for the Hillery vote.
> >
> > If he was just looking for those "I'll vote for any woman" voters, I'm
> > wondering why he didn't go for Kay Bailey Huchison. Did he feel the
> > need to "balance" his ticket with Obama-ish experience?
>
> I would have loved that. That would be great to get Kay out of Texas
> and
> get a more progressive senator.
>
>
> The damn shame is that Kay Bailey Hutchinson didn't want the VP cause she
> wants to come back to Texas and be governor.
She was too pro-choice to get the VP gig.
Norman Draper
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:08:49 GMT, Steve Hawkins
>
> >Yeah, I know. There are certain people I expect that stuff from. Norm,
> >surprised me.
>
> LOL. Yeah, gee .... he sure has gotten ....... uh .... zealous? :-)
> (Bless his heart.) :-)
> Sherm
Zealous? Nope. But I know good and decent and thoughtful and kind
when I see it. And I don't believe Obama is the messiah, but I can
see that, as a blindingly intelligent (and able to articulate that
intelligence) black man, he scares the bejesus out of those who see
Bush and his successor as viable leaders.
I'm going to have Kate read the "bless his heart" line.... She will
get a huge kick out of it!!
Norman (Bless All Our Hearts!) DRaper
Shy Picker
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But Norm, she's ................... so damned Perty! I saw one pic
where her shirt was so tight I could hardly breathe.
David (Just joking around tonight)
"When all the broken-hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer,
Let it be" - Paul McCartney
Norman Draper
> >>Palin on being VP (8/02/08): “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll
>
> tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers
> for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to
> being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We
> want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of
> position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying
> to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even
> start addressing that question.”<<
>
> >>Ahhhh.... Wonderful. Someone running for the VP of the United States
>
> who does not know what the VP of the United States does......<<
>
> description, before she would commit to the office, and before sacrificing
> some of the good things she feels (and the voters she represents
> overwhelmingly feel, btw), she's accomplishing in her current job-role.
>
> Sort of how I would hope to react while discussing a potential promotion,
> while feeling good about where I was at.
>
> This (IMO) demonstrates measured caution, as opposed to the arrogant
> inverse, "I have the answers now", for "what I can do, from 2nd chair"...
> and (IMO) that would be arrogant for anyone GOP or DEM, who represents that
> position.
>
> >>Palin on oil and the war (8/14/08): The GOP agenda to ramp up domestic
> >>supplies of energy is the only way that we're going to become energy
> >>independent, the only way that we are going to become a more secure
> >>nation — and I say this, of course, looking at the situation we are in
> >>right now, at war, not knowing what the plan is to ever end the war that
> >>we're engaged in, understanding that Americans are seeking solutions, and
> >>they are seeking resolution in this war effort, so energy supplies, being
> >>able to produce and supply domestically, is going to be a big part of
> >>that.
>
> "....I have a 19 year old who's getting ready to be deployed to Iraq. His
> Stryker brigade will leave on September 11th of this year. He's 19, he'll be
> gone for a year. [And so] kind of on a personal level, when I talk about,
> umm, the plan for the war, you know, let's make sure we have a plan here,
> and respecting McCain's position on that."
>
> about national issues? And ask yourself this: if you had a son about to go
> to Iraq, would you have a full understanding of your party's presumptive
> nominee's position on the war? How about the nominees of BOTH partys???<<
>
> refers to the GOP overall, and she questions the logic/answers currently
> provided as to precision of termination plans for the war... which (IMO)
> means she doesn't intend to take the party line just for the sake of the
> party line.
>
> Yes breath of fresh air.
>
> I work for some pretty powerful people (business not politics or at least
> not gov politics) myself, and I'll be first to admit that I sometimes
> stutter and may not sound too intelligent at times when trying to disagree
> with their pet position on complex issues.... but that doesn't make me
> ineffective. In fact I'm reminded by them, often enough, that the sum of
> the effort makes me valuable to them, and keeps me employed. (But I'd
> regret youtube at times.)
>
> Finally, the choice of word "lame", playing it as a trump card, to blast
> away at someone's past voice of an honest impromptu verbal response to a
> reporter is blatantly disrepectful Norm, and to be honest, I'm surprised,
> disappointed because I've come to know better of you, (in the respect
> department).
>
> As for how this moves me, I don't care nearly as much how someone responds
> to an impromptu news interview, as I care about how they enact, ratify, or
> enable successful government.
>
> The only committee that Obama headed in that 143 days that he worked in
> senate, never even met. Polished speeches at a national convention just
> don't do it for me with that kind of record. We don't need a great orator,
> we need a great communicator and a great facilitator.
>
> Yes IMO, breath of fresh air, as far as Palin goes... McCain on the other
> hand, for me seems the fav of 2 not so optimal candidates.
>
> Congratulations to Obama for his accomplishments, and for all our sake I
> hope the country learns to consider the choice carefully and learns to not
> engage in mudslinging or just following the party line.
>
> Summary: PLEASE VOTE
>
> ~ray
Ray,
Well said.
Keep this in mind: the polisher of the speech at the was Barrack
Obama. And he didn't have to go far to polish it.... he wrote the
entire speech himself. I want incredible intelligence in my leaders
on every level. I've had it a few times, I liked the way it looked
and felt, I liked the outcomes, and I won't settle for less. And we
will have a great communicator and a great facilitator in Obama.
If I am mudslinging, please point it out. The "lame" comment was in
response to someone else's use of the word. As I said, I want to see
how he defines that word.
Kate, my SO, and I have arguments about McCain. I think he is a
decent man, probably in over his head on several issues. She
thinks.... well, much less of him than I do. I do NOT think he's
lame. I simply think Obama is the better choice.
Norman Draper
hank alrich
> On Aug 30, 12:08 pm, Steve Hawkins <res0p...@verizon.netREMOVETHIS>
> wrote:
> listing polar bears as an endangered species - she was worried it would
> interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.
>
> How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once
> at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called
> her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
>
>
> There you go. Creationism. Pat Buchanan. Big Oil. Polar bears.
>
> I'm thrilled she's the GOP choice. Fucking thrilled.
>
>
> Norman (As Obama Said, That's A Debate I Welcome) Draper
I laugh when people say "She has more experience than Obama". Let's see
here, he does 12 years as a prof of constitutional law at Harvard, while
she professes not to know what is the job of the Vice President of the
US. So she is happy to take a job of which she knows nothing, as if it
was flipping burgers at a PTA picnic.
The economy is falling apart, the foreign trade imbalance teeters on the
precipice of incredibility, the federal deficit threatens to sell the
whole fucking country to China, Japan, and Russia, most of the world
thinks we are hypocritical pricks, our national infrastructure is
collapsing, our educational systems are in the tank, and we carry on as
if a game of charades will save our ignorant asses.
I wish us luck.
hank alrich
> So, Bob, why did she fire the guy?
No fair, Tom. That question might have an answer. And Bob isn't gonna
admit it. It's not part of his game plan.
betsey
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Norman-
I don't think it's a matter of "like"...i think it's a matter of
"lesser of two evils". I'm going to leave it there, or else we may
end up brawling over this <g>
betsey
betsey
Norman--
i now know why you and Pete Law get along so well......
betsey
Ed Edelenbos
"Jenn" <jennco...@mac.com> wrote in message
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>
> She was too pro-choice to get the VP gig.
And which party believes pro-choice is bad... especially in elections?
Ed Edelenbos
Kate, my SO, and I have arguments about McCain. I think he is a
decent man, probably in over his head on several issues. She
thinks.... well, much less of him than I do. I do NOT think he's
lame. I simply think Obama is the better choice.
Norman Draper
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sounds like my household, Norm. I think he's an honorable man who really
believes what he says... well, more so before this election but that could
be up for debate. I just think he's on the wrong side of an overwhelming
percentage of the issues. My wife OTOH, thinks he's just a ... well, never
mind.
Ed
Oh, FWIW, I think *both* are over their heads. No one, let me say that
again... NO ONE should weild as much power as the Pres. of the USA. But of
the two, I think McCain is not the best choice.