Dylan: "It Must Be Santa"
GWirth
Rick Ruskin
wrote:
>How can you not love this?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs6X9yIM_k
It's very easy.
What's next - the Pope selling feminine hygiene products?
Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://liondogmusic.com
http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin
GWirth
wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:08 -0500, GWirth <myful...@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>How can you not love this?
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs6X9yIM_k
>
>It's very easy.
You're a mean one Mr Grinch.
G.
persisten...@yahoo.com
wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:08 -0500, GWirth <myful...@comcast.net>
I daren't watch it. Not least because the whole album was pre-released
to Capitol One cardholders.
Not too hot for a guy who's primary inspiration was Pete Seeger.
Pete
Geezer51
"Rick Ruskin" <lio...@isomedia.com> wrote in message
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You've got termites in your smile...
Geezer
hank alrich
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:08 -0500, GWirth <myful...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >How can you not love this?
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs6X9yIM_k
>
> It's very easy.
>
> What's next - the Pope selling feminine hygiene products?
I was thinking it's time for him to come out with a signature line of
condoms.
> Rick Ruskin
> Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
> http://liondogmusic.com
> http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
hank alrich
Well, the times really didn't change much, did they?
Escalade? "Nice car to drive after a war"
MKR
> How can you not love this?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs6X9yIM_k
Who does that guy think he is? Michael Jackson?
MKR
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:42:47 -0800, Rick Ruskin <lion...@isomedia.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:08 -0500, GWirth <myfulln...@comcast.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >>How can you not love this?
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs6X9yIM_k
>
> >It's very easy.
>
> >What's next - the Pope selling feminine hygiene products?
> >Rick Ruskin
> >Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
> >http://liondogmusic.com
> >http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin
>
> I daren't watch it. Not least because the whole album was pre-released
> to Capitol One cardholders.
>
> Not too hot for a guy who's primary inspiration was Pete Seeger.
>
What? Pete Seeger? Bob Dylan's "primary inspiration". Uhhhh...
Yeah, right...
Rick Ruskin
wrote:
>Rick Ruskin <lio...@isomedia.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:08 -0500, GWirth <myful...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >How can you not love this?
>> >
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs6X9yIM_k
>>
>> It's very easy.
>>
>> What's next - the Pope selling feminine hygiene products?
>
>I was thinking it's time for him to come out with a signature line of
>condoms.
Of course they would be holy and wouldn't work.
GWirth
all these years, appreciates Dylan's ability to still piss off the
Folk Music Mafia. Some things never change. By the way, all royalties
go to charities. Press release:
"The singer's "Christmas in the Heart" collection is aimed at raising
money for charity. Royalties in different countries will be directed
to specific groups: Feeding America from US sales; United Nations'
World Food Programme and Crisis from UK sales."
Judging by Mr. Ruskin's comment he obviously feels that this is
somehow "selling out". I have absolutely no response to that. Well,
actually I have serveral but in the spirit of the holidays I'll keep
them to myself.
G.
Les Cargill
See "No Direction Home." He found out Ramblin' Jack Elliot
beat him to it...
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
It's all run by a big Eastern syndicate, you know.
--
Les Cargill
Wilbur Slice
I've watched NDH many times. And I've read almost every book written
about Dylan and I have more Dylan recordings than he ever released.
I'm no stranger to the Legend of Bob Dylan. While Pete Seeger was
undoubtedly a major figure in the folk scene at the time, and Dylan
did and still does respect him, it's not reasonable to call him
Dylan's "primary inspiration".
I can only surmise that Pete (Gay) was thinking of Woody Guthrie.
Perhaps you are, as well.
hank alrich
That's the real Christmas spirit.
People have various views about this kind of stuff. (I haven't gone to
see what George posted. I generally don't take time to hit utoob links.
There is only so much time. There's a reason I like this Usenet
text-only medium.)
I find it fairly easy to understand how some folks might wonder, when
charity is the alleged goal, at what point to question whether the ends
justify the means. Robin Hood might be popular in some segments of the
population, and reviled in others.
There is lots more money in other parts of the cost of delivered
prerecorded music than what's in the "royalties", and I'd be one hell of
a lot more impressed if _all_ the money collected was going to feed
people, instead of most of it going where it generally goes, while a
little slice off the top looks for my sympathy.
That said, the hungry who are helped will certainly be grateful.
What Dylan does for Christmas is irrelevant to me. So is the "Folk Music
Mafia". Hell, I fully expect to hear some bitching about the way we just
recorded The Great Baltimore Fire. So it goes. We're here and now.
Somebody else was there and then. And I'll worry about charity when I
get out of debt.
Les Cargill
Oh, I am. Senior moment - I totally meant Woody Guthrie. Thanks
for the correction.
--
Les Cargill
Ed Edelenbos
"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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LOL... I think Bobby's primary influence was Bobby... and the Bobby Does
Well League. Woody may have played a role, but only in as much as he
enabled Robert to be Bob. In the same way, Pete was little more than a
vehicle for Bob to market Bob.
Don't get me wrong, only the uninformed would say he was less than a
genius... but a part (maybe even a big part) of that genius was
understanding how to jockey for position. That said, watching that video
goes a long way towards justifying Bob's claim to being a simple "song and
dance" man.
Ed
Misifus
Don't listen to what Dylan says, watch what he does. He may have said
Pete was his inspiration, but Seeger has always been an idealist, and
Dylan has always been a pragmatist.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
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Mike Brown
Acytually even Woody's influence was mostly indirect through Ramblin'
Jack. Jack and Dylan travelled together quite a bit, Woody was too sick
by that time.
MJRB
Bob Dorgan
"GWirth" <myful...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Apparently I'm the only one who get's a kick out of this and, after
> all these years, appreciates Dylan's ability to still piss off the
> Folk Music Mafia.>
Nah, you're not alone.
dorgan
Wilbur Slice
wrote:
>Wilbur Slice wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not too hot for a guy who's primary inspiration was Pete Seeger.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What? Pete Seeger? Bob Dylan's "primary inspiration". Uhhhh...
>>>>Yeah, right...
>>>
>>>See "No Direction Home." He found out Ramblin' Jack Elliot
>>>beat him to it...
>>
>>
>> I've watched NDH many times. And I've read almost every book written
>> about Dylan and I have more Dylan recordings than he ever released.
>> I'm no stranger to the Legend of Bob Dylan. While Pete Seeger was
>> undoubtedly a major figure in the folk scene at the time, and Dylan
>> did and still does respect him, it's not reasonable to call him
>> Dylan's "primary inspiration".
>>
>> I can only surmise that Pete (Gay) was thinking of Woody Guthrie.
>> Perhaps you are, as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Acytually even Woody's influence was mostly indirect through Ramblin'
>Jack. Jack and Dylan travelled together quite a bit, Woody was too sick
>by that time.
>
Well... I'd say that Dylan was the primary influence on me, and yet
I've never even met the dude. I don't think it requires a personal
relationship to be a major influence on another artist. Guthrie's
influence on Dylan was through his songs and his recordings.
And I don't know how much Bob and Jack "travelled" together, but they
certainly hung out together in New York. In fact, if you listen to
the early Dylan bootlegs from that period, it's pretty clear that Bob
was doing a Ramblin' Jack Elliot impersonation most of the time. And
people told Jack that, but he didn't mind. Jack was largely doing a
Woody impersonation was it was.
Wilbur Slice
wrote:
>persisten...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:42:47 -0800, Rick Ruskin <lio...@isomedia.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:31:08 -0500, GWirth <myful...@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can you not love this?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVs6X9yIM_k
>>> It's very easy.
>>>
>>> What's next - the Pope selling feminine hygiene products?
>>> Rick Ruskin
>>> Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
>>> http://liondogmusic.com
>>> http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin
>>
>> I daren't watch it. Not least because the whole album was pre-released
>> to Capitol One cardholders.
>>
>> Not too hot for a guy who's primary inspiration was Pete Seeger.
>>
>> Pete
>
>Don't listen to what Dylan says, watch what he does. He may have said
>Pete was his inspiration, but Seeger has always been an idealist, and
>Dylan has always been a pragmatist.
>
> -Raf
That hit the nail on the head.
Bill Chandler
brewed up the following, and served it to the group:
<snip>
>That said, the hungry who are helped will certainly be grateful.
>
>What Dylan does for Christmas is irrelevant to me. So is the "Folk Music
>Mafia". Hell, I fully expect to hear some bitching about the way we just
>recorded The Great Baltimore Fire. So it goes. We're here and now.
>Somebody else was there and then. And I'll worry about charity when I
>get out of debt.
Amen, brother.
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Blind Broccoli
anything Bob always enjoyed, it was goofin' on folks. The album I mean
CD as a whole kinda sucks but who cares? Hope some hungry people get fed.
BB
Les Cargill
Lotta truth there - but he did do well. My principal musical
center is right where The Band was, so ... thanks for going electric,
Bob.
(says three "Hail Doc Watsons" in atonement).
> Woody may have played a role, but only in as much as
> he enabled Robert to be Bob. In the same way, Pete was little more than
> a vehicle for Bob to market Bob.
>
> Don't get me wrong, only the uninformed would say he was less than a
> genius... but a part (maybe even a big part) of that genius was
> understanding how to jockey for position. That said, watching that
> video goes a long way towards justifying Bob's claim to being a simple
> "song and dance" man.
>
> Ed
What I found interesting about it was the interaction with the press. In
a way, they made the guy. that could have been a gambit, but he
looked genuinely at sea.
--
Les Cargill
Joe
walk...@nv.net (hank alrich) wrote:
> Les Cargill <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > It's all run by a big Eastern syndicate, you know.
> >
> > --
> > Les Cargill
>
> That's the real Christmas spirit.
>
I think Les was referencing Lucy in "A Charlie Brown Christmas", no?
--
jm
Les Cargill
He was.
Lucy Van Pelt: I know how you feel about all this Christmas business,
getting depressed and all that. It happens to me every year. I never
get what I really want. I always get a lot of stupid toys or a bicycle
or clothes or something like that.
Charlie Brown: What is it you want?
Lucy Van Pelt: Real estate.
--
Les Cargill
Mike Brown
I always find Christmas depressing these days.
Bloody Christmas.
Ebenezer.
Misifus
That's not uncommon. At least you can't blame it on SADD. :)
David Hajicek
> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
snip>>
>>
>> LOL... I think Bobby's primary influence was Bobby... and the Bobby
>> Does Well League.
>
> Lotta truth there - but he did do well. My principal musical
> center is right where The Band was, so ... thanks for going electric,
> Bob.
>
> (says three "Hail Doc Watsons" in atonement).
>
>
>> Woody may have played a role, but only in as much as he enabled Robert to
>> be Bob. In the same way, Pete was little more than a vehicle for Bob to
>> market Bob.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, only the uninformed would say he was less than a
>> genius... but a part (maybe even a big part) of that genius was
>> understanding how to jockey for position. That said, watching that video
>> goes a long way towards justifying Bob's claim to being a simple "song
>> and dance" man.
>>
>> Ed
>
> What I found interesting about it was the interaction with the press. In
> a way, they made the guy. that could have been a gambit, but he
> looked genuinely at sea.
>
> --
> Les Cargill
I don't pretend to understand the music business and what it takes to be
successful. I get the impression that the sides of the road are littered
with the dried out husks of potentially successful performers who were
sucked dry and left there by the music promotion business. It was possible
for a performer or group to sell millions of records do a tour the world -
and not have enough money to pay for rent or the taxes on money they never
got.
That said, the ones like Bob Dylan who made it besides talent, had both a
savvy of the business and the hardness to be able to survive and get a
reasonable cut of the profits. Self promotion was a major part of the
process. I respect him for that as well as liking a lot (but not all) of
the music he made. So my hat is off to you Mr. Dylan.
That's one of the reasons children from successful performers have a better
chance of making a living in the business (assuming they want to and have
talent). Because they can learn from their parent.
It is getting both easier and harder to be in the music business these days.
Anybody with a little time, a cheap recorder and a CD burner can do some
self publishing. That's the easy part. The hard part is to get enough
demand for your music that you can make a living at it (assuming that is
what you want). Or maybe it is just something you want to do for a while
before you settle down. But I know people with a day job that each year go
on a tour to perform, or who perform regularly at some comfortable night
club. Nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, it sounds pretty nice.
Dave Hajicek
Madgamer
> Oh, I am. Senior moment - I totally meant Woody Guthrie. Thanks
> for the correction.
>
> --
> Les Cargill
>
>
music to see Arlo and his son and Pete in concert. The first song Pete
broke a string and kept playing and managed to keep playing for most of
the song. The first thing Arlo said was "I think I was the only guy who
did NOT get to sing a duet with Willie Nelson"
It is one of my fondest musical memories and Pete even got to sing
"The Big Muddy" song ALL the way through!....priceless!
Larry A
persisten...@yahoo.com
True - I just couldn't remember Guthrie's name. Same sort of
protest-folk-singer stock though which is what I was after.
I may play the acoustic a lot, but I'm no historian. What killed me
was that someone with Dylan's background should be doing a commercial
deal with a credit card company...yecch.
Pete
Wilbur Slice
That's a common misperception of Dylan. Dylan has done commercials
for ladies underwear and Cadillac cars (nice car to drive, after a
war) and more. He's not Pete Seeger. Bob's not averse to making a
little money
And Woody Guthrie was no Pete Seeger, either. Read Joe Klein's book.
Another common misperception about Dylan - that he was a peacenik. As
Jopan Baez recalled in No Direction Home - "they always asked 'Is
Bobby coming?' (to the peace rally/concert/etc), and I always told
them 'No, Bobby's not coming - Bobby *never* comes."
David Hajicek
"Wilbur Slice" <wil...@wilburslicehome.com> wrote in message
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>snip
I always told
> them 'No, Bobby's not coming - Bobby *never* comes."
Now I'm feeling sorry for Bobby. Poor guy. ;>)
Dave (though I can sympathize more now that I'm older) Hajicek