Is it a Martin Renbourn or a Renbourn Martin?
Mary Katherine
Does anyone know whether it will be ready for winter NAMM?
anyt...@contractorcom.com
Can't see Renbourn climbing out of his pit to take it to NAMM even if
it is...:-)
Pete
Mike Brown
> Just learned that John Renbourn is getting a Martin signature guitar.
> Does anyone know whether it will be ready for winter NAMM?
I think they are slowly working through the phone book with those
"Artists Signature" models.
No offence intended to Mr Renbourn, but there aere just too many of
tthem IMHO.
MJRB
Tony Done
"Mike Brown" <rock...@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
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I'm an admirer of CFM IV, but I recognise that he was trained in management
and marketing, not luthery. I'm guessing that the sig models only cause a
yawning attack in acoustic aficionados such as ourselves.
Tony D
Cliff
You right there Mike, there's even a Mike Brown signature model :
http://www.guitarsite.com/news/images/ugly07/m25geezergui.jpg
c.
Matt Hayden
> "Mike Brown" <rocko...@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
True - though the LJ models are quite something. I like how plain
they are; they're functional tools.
Tony Done
"Matt Hayden" <meh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<g> I was thinking while typing my comment that I'm a bit of a hypocrite. My
best guitar is a sig model - but not Martin. The Martin Norman Blake
intrigues me, as does the new Crosby 12-string, both because of the
"centered bridge" design.
And, FWIW, fancy is a distinct turn-off for me. One abalone rosette ring is
more than enough glam. I admit to liking Gibson style "teardrop" sunbursts
though.
Tony D
Misifus
Not entirely. I find the Geoff Muldaur and Norman Blake models interesting.
-Raf
--
Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com
Mike Brown
So that's where all my hair went.
MJRB
Mike Brown
Don't get me wrong, some of the Signature models are rather nice, at
least the ones that I've played were. It's just the frequency of the new
issues and the total number that is, well not irritating but . . . .
MJRB
Cliff
Makes you wonder doesn't it, why they don't apply these tactics to
selling other stuff....like cars....??
for example....there could be the limited edition Jeremy Clarkson BMW
signature model.
It would have correspondingly limited appeal though wouldn't it, i
mean how many people would want to be seen driving round in a huge
erect penis on wheels ?
c.
Cliff
> >news:4afb9aa2$1...@news.comindico.com.au...
> >> Mary Katherine wrote:
> >>> Just learned that John Renbourn is getting a Martin signature guitar.
> >>> Does anyone know whether it will be ready for winter NAMM?
>
> >> I think they are slowly working through the phone book with those
> >> "Artists Signature" models.
>
> >> No offence intended to Mr Renbourn, but there aere just too many of
> >> tthem IMHO.
>
> >> MJRB
>
> > I'm an admirer of CFM IV, but I recognise that he was trained in
> > management and marketing, not luthery. I'm guessing that the sig models
> > only cause a yawning attack in acoustic aficionados such as ourselves.
>
> > Tony D
>
> Not entirely. I find the Geoff Muldaur and Norman Blake models interesting.
well....i agree with Mike...the whole thing is just a bit of potty
marketing taken too far...but...
if you put one of Raf's well oiled guns to my head, something i'm sure
that would give many of you a cheap thrill, i'd have to say i'd like
this model here, 'cause i just love the guys music, and this guitar
looks great too :
>
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/00040SPR.htm
c.
Misifus
I confess that after my previous post, the Elderly catalog arrived.
There were more than a dozen signature models just from Martin.
Geezer51
"Misifus" <rafse...@att.net> wrote in message
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Ahhh,
But the secret question is....Did you know any of these signature stars?
Geezer
Tony Weber
Cool. A Rowan Martin.
- Simon and Gar Farkel -
hank alrich
> Cool. A Rowan Martin.
>
>
> - Simon and Gar Farkel -
You're fired.
--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
Mouldytone
> Just learned that John Renbourn is getting a Martin signature guitar.
> Does anyone know whether it will be ready for winter NAMM?
I have a number of John Renbourn`s recordings and love his playing but
I can`t say I`ve ever associated him with a particular Martin guitar
model. Do you know what it is likely to be?
For instance if it were Martin Carthy you would expect it to be
OOO-18ish. I like the basic Martin model range personally but the
plethora of Sig models seems to have been a very successful idea for
the company as far as sales goes. My personal pick of signature models
would be Geoff Muldaur`s OO-18H. Although if anyone would care to give
me $10K USD I wouldn`t mind buying the original!
http://elderly.com/vintage/items/10U-5194.htm
Tony M
Tony Done
"Mouldytone" <tmou...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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IIRC, John Renbourn started out playing Guilds, because "they were the best
available" at the time.
Tony D
Cliff
> I have a number of John Renbourn`s recordings and love his playing but
> I can`t say I`ve ever associated him with a particular Martin guitar
> model. Do you know what it is likely to be?
> For instance if it were Martin Carthy you would expect it to be
> OOO-18ish.
Tony, if you're interested, ive got a few clips of Martin playing his
sig. model Martin.
I sneaked a camera in and filmed quite a bit, this was a few years
ago.
Dave played on bravely in his chair with his oxygen.
Great gig.
Dave relayed some hilarious stories incidentally, about his time
living down under.
I was really impressed with the sig.Martin, but i'm probably biased, i
love Carthy's style....very underated player in mho., it sounded
superb.
http://www.youtube.com/user/wrongsideof45?gl=GB&hl=en-GB#p/u/31/ySEB_-b-Txc
c.
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
The Northworthy Ellastone (many of you have played mine) was designed
for him - something to do with Renbourn using heavier than normal
string weights on DG&B).
I've never seen Renbourn (and I know him *reasonably* well) playing
anything factory made unless it belonged to someone else - all his own
guitars seem to be made specifically for him.
Pete
Plunker
> IIRC, John Renbourn started out playing Guilds, because "they were the best
> available" at the time.
Gibson J-50 proceeded the Guild D-55 as I recall.
Kevin Hall
shameless junk marketing scams Winchester used in the 70s. They would
gold-plate fairly standard crappy 'tin-lifter' model 94 rifles, call 'em
various 'commemorative' issues and turn out thousands. They sold like mad
to would-be collectors who are still waiting for the values to hit what they
paid over 30 years ago.
Similar ploys have been used on a wide variety of consumer products; it's
sort of the Franklin Mint marketing concept. Thing is, it works.
While I'm not personally crazy about most of the sig. Martin models they are
produced in small numbers and have a far better chance of generating real
collector interest than most 'commemorative issue' products. The fact that
virtually all of them are rapidly sold out speaks volumes about the wisdom
of the approach.
It has taken a while for Martin to work the bugs out of the idea. For
instance, one of their early efforts at such projects was the D-76 which
sold so badly that it would have detered most companies from further efforts
along those lines. I remember they build 76 special D-76-E models which
were made available only to employees, and they couldn't even get rid of
those things for a couple of years.
The small batch Signature models seem to be a nice little earner for the old
firm, and are doing no-one any harm.
KH
"Mary Katherine" <mka...@aol.com> wrote in message
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John Sorell
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> At least Martin have shown some restraint in these things as opposed
> to the shameless junk marketing scams Winchester used in the 70s.
> They would gold-plate fairly standard crappy 'tin-lifter' model 94
> rifles, call 'em various 'commemorative' issues and turn out
> thousands. They sold like mad to would-be collectors who are still
> waiting for the values to hit what they paid over 30 years ago.
A friend of mine bought a matched set of commemorative model 94 rifles.
This was in 1966. I can't remember what the commemoration was. It so
happened they had identicle serial numbers, which apparantly went
unnoticed by Winchester. My friend wrote them about it. They called him
and offered him three times what he paid for the set. He declined. I lost
track of him. I wonder what they are worth now.
John
Tony Done
"Kevin Hall" <timbe...@webhart.net> wrote in message
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> At least Martin have shown some restraint in these things as opposed to
> the shameless junk marketing scams Winchester used in the 70s. They would
> gold-plate fairly standard crappy 'tin-lifter' model 94 rifles, call 'em
> various 'commemorative' issues and turn out thousands. They sold like
> mad to would-be collectors who are still waiting for the values to hit
> what they paid over 30 years ago.
I was interested in guns during that period, and recall reading that most of
them went to interior decorators. I also read that Sam's original fancy
Winchesters were based on a QC process. - Guns that seemed to be
particularly accurate in the test firing went back to be converted to deluxe
versions. Not a bad system, but it ensured that the standard models met a
mediocrity criterion - you knew you weren't going to get something
particularly good.
Back on topic, what I would like to see is some Martin "luthier" models
designed and/or set up and/or tuned and/or part built (you get the idea) by
well known luthiers. I think the Schoenberg Signature models were made like
that, but they didn't have the Martin name. I can't remember which luthery
shop it was, but Dana Bourgeois was involved. I suppose that Martin would be
cutting there own throats by associating their name with other luthiers.
--
Tony D
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=784456
http://www.flickr.com/photos/done_family/
John Sorell
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I've played two Schoenberg OMs. I can't remember who the builder
was...maybe Bruce Sexauer? One was a used Adirondack/Mahogany at Eric's
shop in Tiburon and the other was an Adirondak/Brazilian owned by a
former member of this NG. Both guitars were remarkable. I would have
loved to own either one.
John
Tony Done
"John Sorell" <j.sorel...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yeah, Bruce Sexhauer was the last incumbent I heard about, but the Bourgeois
connection was through an earlier contractor. Dana's tap tuning experience
in the Schoenberg project was a major reason why I bought one of his guitars
on mail order, plus the fully bolt-on neck and artist model; Martin Simpson
plays slide guitar. I have never regretted it.
John Sorell
The guitars I played were pretty old. Probably before the Sexauer
connection.
John
Geezer51
Does anyone REALLY know how many different guitar models Martin makes?????
Geezer
Tom from Texas
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I agree about the Norman Blake model. I think I could be talked into
getting one of the Steven Stills small-body models, too. But the idea of
paying that much more money just for the sig is madness.
--
Tom from Texas
(The Tom Risner Fund for Deserving North Texas Guitarplayers is not liable
for any slander, hurt feelings, pointless moaning, or achy-breaky heartache
any post under this name should cause. Yall want easy cash or sympathy...
ye can kiss my grits!!)
Mouldytone
>
> c.
Many thanks for the link Cliff. Fabulous clips! I enjoyed the version
of Byker Hill as much as any I`ve heard them play. I`ve downloaded
(legally via a subscription music site) as many Martin Carthy/Dave
Swarbrick albums that I could find over the last few years and loved
them all. As recently as three weeks ago I was lucky enough to find
and buy a copy of their wonderful 2006 recording 'Straws in the Wind'
and it`s a real knock out I recon. They play so well together it`s
almost like a musical waltz I think. I hadn`t realised that Dave
Swarbrick lived in Aus for a few years in the 90s! Great to see
(according to his website) that he`s still able to tour and perform.
Tony M
anyt...@contractorcom.com
Mark Knopfler turned up on Radio 5 yesterday to play a couple of
numbers and plug his new album, and the presenter asked him about his
'very pretty looking' guitar. Knopfler said (more or less):
"It's a Martin Signature which carries my name becase it's made to my
taste - a bit old-fashioned, small bodied, slotted headstock and
so-on. It plays well enough for radio.."
Pete
kees
this small one is awesome
Mouldytone
> >news:5404b1ed-7058-4b06...@x25g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> Just learned that John Renbourn is getting a Martin signature guitar.
> >> Does anyone know whether it will be ready for winter NAMM?
>
> Mark Knopfler turned up on Radio 5 yesterday to play a couple of
> 'very pretty looking' guitar. Knopfler said (more or less):
>
> "It's a Martin Signature which carries my name becase it's made to my
> taste - a bit old-fashioned, small bodied, slotted headstock and
> so-on. It plays well enough for radio.."
>
> Pete
So Mark Knopfler is intimating that there is some kind of official
quality grading for guitars? This one`s good enough for radio? This
one`s good enough to record with? This one`s good enough to set fire
to when you`re cold? He seems to be suggesting that the guitar lacks
quality of sound and he wouldn`t use it for 'serious' playing. If he
isn`t happy with any aspect of the quality of the guitar he shouldn`t
have put his name to it surely. Maybe the quote is out of context but
to me it makes him appear to be a pretentious wanker.
Maybe I`m just in a bad mood.
Tony M
Mouldytone
Kees did you see my first contribution to this thread? If not, I
mentioned that my favourite signature artist Martin is Geoff Muldaur`s
OO-18H. If not, do you realise it`s for sale? I recon you should buy
it! : ) Here`s the link.
http://elderly.com/vintage/items/10U-5194.htm
Tony M
Les Cargill
I rather seriously doubt that. For somebody who "play the
gittar on da em tee vee", he can at least fake a humility
you don't often find.
I saw him pushing "Sailing" around... 2002? at the Bronco Bowl in
Dallas, and he was so supportive of his (rather anonymous) band.
His piano player muffed a solo, and Mark did the best job
of leading the guy out of despair I've ever seen. He looked
mortified, and Mark just lifted the guy up, psychically.
And there's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDKCrO4CVQ&feature=related
> Maybe I`m just in a bad mood.
> Tony M
--
Les Cargill
hank alrich
> So Mark Knopfler is intimating that there is some kind of official
> quality grading for guitars? This one`s good enough for radio? This
> one`s good enough to record with? This one`s good enough to set fire
> to when you`re cold? He seems to be suggesting that the guitar lacks
> quality of sound and he wouldn`t use it for 'serious' playing. If he
> isn`t happy with any aspect of the quality of the guitar he shouldn`t
> have put his name to it surely. Maybe the quote is out of context but
> to me it makes him appear to be a pretentious wanker.
> Maybe I`m just in a bad mood.
> Tony M
Maybe he has a great sense of humor. I'll wager that.
Mike Brown
I got the same message "it plays well enough" seems to be damning with
faint praise to me.
MJRB
kees
LOL I have one. Why sell it?
Pieter Fillet did some customizing and it got a lot more punch. Martin
strings on it nothing special, just the original.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=pieter+fillet&x=0&y=0
anyt...@contractorcom.com
I think he was just having a bit of fun with the presenter. Knopfler
can be pretty laid back but I don't think even he would take a
substandard guitar to a radio show on which he was going to play a
song he's promoting.
Pete
anyt...@contractorcom.com
wrote:
He has - it's thoroughly dry, and he's a great storyteller.
Pete