Our Very Own David Kilpatrick in the News
Debra Cowan
You go, David!!! All my best to everyone in Kelso and I'll
learn a boatload of George Formby songs for my next visit.
Deb Cowan
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Wade Hampton Miller
articles, but they made me just want to SMACK the couple who are
threatening to go to the police over these song lyrics that offend
them.
We have insufferable prigs in the United States, as well. But they
can't call the police whenever they decide that someone else's music
constitutes "hate speech."
From the article:
"Mr Ryan said: ‘There should be zero tolerance. We felt saddened that
this racism happens in Kelso and is considered acceptable. What next?
Songs about the disabled, gays or some other easy-to-target group?
‘Informing the police is not a road anyone wants to go down but, if it
happens again, then we would have no hesitation.’ "
What a DORK....
You have to wonder what the police reaction will be when these folks
finally do work themselves into enough of a self-righteous froth to
call in the forces of law and order. Send in a SWAT team?
Wade Hampton "Zero Tolerance For Assholes" Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
David Hajicek
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> You go, David!!! All my best to everyone in Kelso and I'll learn a
> boatload of George Formby songs for my next visit.
>
> Deb Cowan
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> "It's the ones we follow that matter"-Loretta Lynn
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offending lyrics instead of a different song?
I found the whole article very confusing in many ways.
Dave Hajicek
hank alrich
Whew. Apparently some of those people do not have actual lives.
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David Kilpatrick
Do you mean you found the web page confusing, or the articles?
The song cited on the web page is probably the best-known Scots songs of
the last century and was sung for the opening of the Scots parliament -
it is anti-racist and anti-war. It's there as an example of an
alternative way of expressing opinions (alternative to calling in the
police because you object to someone recreating songs from WWII).
David
hank alrich
Well, wasn't it largely abaout the reactions of some extremely confused
people? <g>
David Hajicek
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The web site. I see the song now. I looked for it several times. How did I
miss that? Maybe I was still asleep this morning. Or was that added?
As for the scotch song - it is outside my understanding. ;>)
Kafir, Zulu? I don't see them in the song? Zulu isn't a slur in any case.
Kafir is only by context.
Most puzzling.
Dave Hajicek
David Kilpatrick
>
> The web site. I see the song now. I looked for it several times. How did I
> miss that? Maybe I was still asleep this morning. Or was that added?
I added the words today because of your post, since they were printed in
the newspaper page shown, and I guessed others would want to see them.
>
> As for the scotch song - it is outside my understanding. ;>)
It's all in good plain language, just happens to be a different language
- it can be easier for an English speaker to understand some sentences
in spoken Dutch, than the same in proper Scots. Half the Scots I know
would not understand it either (at least in writing).
>
> Kafir, Zulu? I don't see them in the song? Zulu isn't a slur in any case.
> Kafir is only by context.
>
There are over 200 songs and the 'Zulu' use is farcical, not racist, in
a very silly song about cannibals. Formby also sang about geisha girls
as if they were Chinese, equally misplaced. Saying that his songs were
racist is a bit like saying that Benny Hill Shows were pornographic.
Apparently his humour didn't cross to America well, so he never made
that move. It doesn't always cross from 1940-something to 2000-something
either!
David
David Hajicek
Benny Hill only aspired to be pornographic. ;>)
Naturally, I enjoyed it.
Dave Hajicek
Les Cargill
Me too. You can't really play slurs on banjo.
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Colin Irvine
<WadeIn...@aol.com> squeezed out the following:
TWAT team more like!
There's a slightly longer thread running on this over in uk.music.folk
- "Kelso Folk Club dragged into press feeding frenzy".
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Colin Irvine
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
Wade Hampton Miller
Are these prats still showing up and keeping a dyspetic eye on your
folk club proceedings, on patrol for song lyrics they can be offended
by? Or have they taken the hint and recognized that they've made
themselves into pariahs by, well, acting like the assholes that they
are?
Next question: the article indicated that they live quite close to the
uke player they're complaining about. Was there some sort of dispute
and/or personal dislike between these folk beforehand, or was it
strictly a matter of them getting offended by the songs?
Wade Hampton Miller
Chugiak, Alaska
David Kilpatrick
I think it's also a puritans versus cavaliers fight, our Formby man
Roger is very much a laughing cavalier and successful businessman, our
complainers and a couple of likeminded friends come from a different angle.
If they turn up I'll do my best to make light of this and welcome them
back, but I imagine they would now feel uncomfortable.
In the past they have suggested a second, quiet session for those who
don't like having the sing out or play popular tunes but we've tried it
and so few turn up that the pub must be losing money just by staying
open. It does not help that the complaining party spend very little, and
refuse on ethical grounds ('you are not a charity and you should not be
collecting money') to put the customary coin in the weekly collecting
tin - which funds our occasional guest artists.
David
hank alrich
This whole deal makes me think some of those folks need a song written
about them, something rollicking and a bit ribald, loaded with satire
and sarcasm, but not abusive of their so-called sexual orientation (hey,
nothing really wrong with the missionary position), their race (slow),
and so forth. Make 'em too famous to show their heads in the pub again.
Or maybe they need to start their own club: Politically Correct
Candyasses' Folk Musik Club.
Mike Brown
The more I hear about thes two, the less I like them.
Just hope that they stay away.
I'm sure that you can find ways of making them feel uncomfortable and
unwanted without actually pitching them out on their ears.
MJRB
Debra Cowan
After our gig at the folk club, I stayed and sat in
with the session and had such a fantastic time, I
didn't want to leave. But I had a fairly early start
the next day, so at quarter past one, I reluctantly
said my goodbyes.
Roger did two songs on his banjo (he may have used the
uke as well...no you samrt aleks, not at the same
time!) and I do believe that he sang "Mr. Wu..." that
night.
I thoroughly enjoyed every minute.
So, perhaps the party-poopers were just showing off for
the "visiting American"? :-)
Deb
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Debra Cowan
It was "Wunga Bunga Boo" Roger performed.
Wade Hampton Miller
>
> I think it's also a puritans versus cavaliers fight, our Formby man
> Roger is very much a laughing cavalier and successful businessman, our
> complainers and a couple of likeminded friends come from a different angle.
>
>
David continues:
>
> If they turn up I'll do my best to make light of this and welcome them
> back, but I imagine they would now feel uncomfortable.
>
that they'd show up just to let you know they're keeping an EYE on
you...
>
> In the past they have suggested a second, quiet session for those who
> don't like having the sing out or play popular tunes but we've tried it
> and so few turn up that the pub must be losing money just by staying
> open. It does not help that the complaining party spend very little, and
> refuse on ethical grounds ('you are not a charity and you should not be
> collecting money') to put the customary coin in the weekly collecting
> tin - which funds our occasional guest artists.
>
who not only won't contribute any money, but actually feel morally
superior for withholding funds.
Got it. Lovely people. We have a few people like them in folk music
circles over here, too.
Then Hank wrote:
>
> This whole deal makes me think some of those folks need a song written
> about them, something rollicking and a bit ribald, loaded with satire
> and sarcasm, but not abusive of their so-called sexual orientation (hey,
> nothing really wrong with the missionary position), their race (slow),
> and so forth. Make 'em too famous to show their heads in the pub again.
>
I agree, but given the way they like to threaten others with the Law I
think it's a good idea to assign them pseudonyms.
"There was a young couple, we'll call them "the Burkes,"
Who acted like prats, who acted like jerks.
They threatened a singer for singing his song,
Saying "Call in the law, boys, these lyrics are WRONG!"
Or whatever...you can probably do better.
Find a good rousing melody, and be sure to have at least a verse or
two about how they won't contribute any money, yet expect to call the
shots.
But it's all about these fictional "Burkes," so there's no slander
involved.
Then sing it whenever they show up.
One last question, David - did this couple ever make any attempt
whatever to take Roger quietly aside and express their discomfort with
the song? Or did they just get all huffy and puffy and threatening
without trying to resolve things first?
David Kilpatrick
>>
>
> It was "Wunga Bunga Boo" Roger performed.
>
Well, that is probably the least acceptable of all Formby's songs being
a load of nonsense about cannibal Zulus on a desert island (which was
known to be nonsense when written - pure cartoon-book stuff). But it's
not 'racist' just silly.
I've been thinking about other songs we might be asked to censor - most
things from Gilbert & Sullivan's 'Mikado', lots from Kipling, and stuff
like 'Mad Dogs and Englishmen'. Not that these are primary folk club
fare (I might look up the last one though, quite appropriate).
David
David Kilpatrick
> Translation: Roger drives a nicer car than they do, right?
Worse than that. Roger lives his life in 1948. He drives a vintage Alvis
and before that had a Riley and a 1950s Morris Minor. He has no TV,
plays an old piano, his sitting-room is furnished and decorated as if
the last 50 years had not happened, he has 78rpm records, watches films
on a projector and his music collection is all on reel-to-reel tapes. He
is REAL enthusiast for the past, not just for the music he enjoys.
> Then Hank wrote:
>> This whole deal makes me think some of those folks need a song written
>> about them, something rollicking and a bit ribald, loaded with satire
>> and sarcasm, but not abusive of their so-called sexual orientation (hey,
>> nothing really wrong with the missionary position), their race (slow),
>> and so forth. Make 'em too famous to show their heads in the pub again.
>>
> I agree, but given the way they like to threaten others with the Law I
> think it's a good idea to assign them pseudonyms.
>
> "There was a young couple, we'll call them "the Burkes,"
> Who acted like prats, who acted like jerks.
> They threatened a singer for singing his song,
> Saying "Call in the law, boys, these lyrics are WRONG!"
>
Actually, what happened is that our treasurer Andrew, who performs Tom
Lehrer songs with keyboard accompaniment, dug up a Lehrer song which starts:
The whites hate the blacks
And the blacks hate the whites
(needless to say, NOT a racist song but the exact reverse as you would
expect from Lehrer)
He wrote some new words to it. But our
>
> One last question, David - did this couple ever make any attempt
> whatever to take Roger quietly aside and express their discomfort with
> the song? Or did they just get all huffy and puffy and threatening
> without trying to resolve things first?
Actually they have stood up and heckled him during performance recently.
They have spoken to him, and the pub, and to me, but the tone has never
been one of expressing quiet discomfort. It has always been 'you must
put a stop to this unacceptable racism now'. I'd say it has escalated.
Race-hate is a serious issue in Scotland not because the Scots are any
more prejudiced than others, but because many small open-all-hours shops
are owned by Asians who risk violent attack when they refuse to sell
alcohol to minors (plenty of 14-year-old lads are over 6ft these days).
Same for Chinese and Indian restaurants open late at night, who have to
deal with drunks. Like taxi drivers, they run a risk, but of course they
also get racial abuse verbally from this. The same goes if the
kids/drunks detect an English or foreign (Polish normally) accent. Scots
do tend to make 'not being Scots' a fighting point in any argument, and
any argument into a fight.
But Formby songs have no connection with this.
David
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Misifus
"Zero Tolerance" spells intolerance. That's ironic, intolerance in the
name of toleration. I guess if you squint your eye, and tilt your head,
just right....
-Raf
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wrote:
Or....David could just tell them to fuck off and forget all about
them...:-)
Pete