parts for horns in F?
davyd
Serenade op. 7, Beethoven Rondino, and other such ensemble pieces that have
parts for horns in F, as opposed to the original Eb, Bb, etc. (I already
have the International edition of the Dvorak serenade, which has parts for
horns in F.)
It seems like every time a work like this comes around, someone can't handle
transposing. Yes, they should be able to. As a clarinetist, I somewhat
sympathize. But in the meantime, what do folks recommend?
Ansermetniac
Bb and maybe a C if yopu are lucky so you never transpose because we Frecnh
horn players sit right behind you we laugh histerically inside when you
"senile" licorice stick players forget to swap axes and are a half step off.
Seriously my suggestion is to skip the F parts and let the kids learn to
transpose. It is part of French Horn life and the better you are it the
better off you will be. My teacher, thank god, made me read the original
parts from the beginning of my studies. If he saw an F part on my stand and
it was originally for another key, he took it away.
I will close by saying that if I see a dorr shackled I never worry, Why?
1) I am Jewish so I eat lox
2)I am a French horn player so if I don't have the key I transpose.
I think it;s time to go now :-)
Abbedd
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Joanna West
If somebody is not up to transposing the part, then if they want to be
involved in the group, let it be their own responsibility to buy or write
out a transposed part.
I remember well my first experience of a transposed part, the 4th Eb horn
part of the Liberty Bell march for my school brass band, when I was about 10
years old. On that occasion, my father wrote the part out for me in F, and
then told me "That's the last time I'll be doing that for you. After this,
you'll have to learn to be able to read the parts for yourself."
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Jonathan West
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davyd
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> Wow did you bring up a sticky subject. As a clarineteist you have an A and
a
> horn players sit right behind you we laugh histerically inside when you
> "senile" licorice stick players forget to swap axes and are a half step
off.
I'm aware it's a sticky subject, but as with all sticky subjects, there's no
way to avoid them.
Clarinetists laugh hysterically at horn players who miss an entrance because
they were emptying out water, and both clars and horns laugh at oboists who
miss an entrance because they were futzing with reeds.
BTW I still have to transpose sometimes; my C clarinet isn't reliable, and
sometimes there are parts for clarinet in D or bass clarinet in A, which
almost no one has.
> Seriously my suggestion is to skip the F parts and let the kids learn to
> transpose. It is part of French Horn life and the better you are it the
> better off you will be. My teacher, thank god, made me read the original
> parts from the beginning of my studies. If he saw an F part on my stand
and
> it was originally for another key, he took it away.
I agree 200% in theory. But theory is one thing; actual practice is another.
Some players I've dealt with are comfortable with some transpositions (Eb
seems to be generally workable), but not others (G and low Bb seem
particularly challenging).
> I will close by saying that if I see a dorr shackled I never worry, Why?
>
> 1) I am Jewish so I eat lox
Protect your bagels. Put lox on them!
Ansermetniac
see low Bb so much so it is harder. Going up is a different story We don't
see G or A so much and high Bb and High C almost never. So when the first
and second horns play the Rienzi overture, it is G horn chromatic, they
sweat bullets. That's time time for an F part. Classical period music is
only the overtone series so even F# trans of the Farewell sym ain't so bad.
Watch out for Prokoifiev though. His scores are in C and some editions have
the parts in C as sounded. So it's up a fifth and chromatic. The parts are
hard enough as it is.
Why do you think the Principal horn is one of the highest paid members of
the orchestra?
Abbedd
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> Hi Davyd,
>
> If somebody is not up to transposing the part, then if they want to be
> involved in the group, let it be their own responsibility to buy or write
> out a transposed part.
That's exactly my question: what edition(s) to buy that have transposed
parts?
> I remember well my first experience of a transposed part, the 4th Eb horn
> part of the Liberty Bell march for my school brass band, when I was about
10
> years old. On that occasion, my father wrote the part out for me in F, and
> then told me "That's the last time I'll be doing that for you. After this,
> you'll have to learn to be able to read the parts for yourself."
An excellent example of the "tough love" philosophy, provided that the
necessary guidance (down a whole step) is also provided. But I've worked
with several amateur players over the years who had no concept of what "horn
in D" even means, much less what to do about it. How have they gotten away
with it for so many years? I dunno.
Jonathan West
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> "Joanna West" <Joann...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> > Hi Davyd,
> >
> > If somebody is not up to transposing the part, then if they want to be
> > involved in the group, let it be their own responsibility to buy or
write
> > out a transposed part.
>
> That's exactly my question: what edition(s) to buy that have transposed
> parts?
It depends on the music. In many cases, there will be no edition that has
the transposed parts. That is why I included "or write out a transposed
part" in my first response
>
> > I remember well my first experience of a transposed part, the 4th Eb
horn
> > part of the Liberty Bell march for my school brass band, when I was
about
> 10
> > years old. On that occasion, my father wrote the part out for me in F,
and
> > then told me "That's the last time I'll be doing that for you. After
this,
> > you'll have to learn to be able to read the parts for yourself."
>
> An excellent example of the "tough love" philosophy, provided that the
> necessary guidance (down a whole step) is also provided. But I've worked
> with several amateur players over the years who had no concept of what
"horn
> in D" even means, much less what to do about it. How have they gotten away
> with it for so many years? I dunno.
Perhaps by only playing bands and not orchestras?
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Regards
Jonathan West
SBF
horn. I'm currently doing overtur to the flying dutchman, it calls for horn
in F, A, and D all in the same part. Transposing is something we all face
sooner or later. Even back in 9th grade youth orchestra, we were playing off
nontransposed parts....
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