HELP WITH LATIN SYLLABICATION
Nestor Andrenacci
Hello Listers!
I am posting this announcement to both Choraltalk and
Choralist, so I apologize to those of you who receive it twice.
Can someone please help me with the separation in syllables of these words
from sacred texts?:
Adveniat: ad-ve-ni-at or a-dve-ni-at?
Exsultant: ex-sul-tant?
observaveris: ob-ser-va-ve-ris or o-bser-va-ve-ris?
propter: pro-pter or prop-ter?
aerumna: ae-rum-na or ae-ru-mna?
Besides, I`d like to know if there is a www address where this kind of
information can be found: e.g. punctuation rules, syllabication, etc. in
Latin, and texts of Psalms also in Latin.
Thanks for your help.
Laura Dubinsky
gc...@datamarkets.com.ar
Fran Faulkner
In article <1997050800...@dmbsdi.datamar.com.ar>,
gc...@datamarkets.com.ar (Nestor Andrenacci) wrote:
> Adveniat: ad-ve-ni-at or a-dve-ni-at?
How about aar-dvei - nee - aart
> Exsultant: ex-sul-tant?
air-gzool - tarnt
> observaveris: ob-ser-va-ve-ris or o-bser-va-ve-ris?
o - bsair - var- vair - ees
> propter: pro-pter or prop-ter?
pro - ptair
> aerumna: ae-rum-na or ae-ru-mna?
air - oo -mnar
just my tuppeny worth!
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Lee Jaap
In article <1997050800...@dmbsdi.datamar.com.ar> gc...@datamarkets.com.ar (Nestor Andrenacci) writes:
|>Hello Listers!
|>I am posting this announcement to both Choraltalk and
|>Choralist, so I apologize to those of you who receive it twice.
|>
|>Can someone please help me with the separation in syllables of these words
|>from sacred texts?:
Is your question syllabification for writing or for singing? The two
can be very different. When singing, you do not want to close to
a consonant; that is, you need to keep the vowel open until you move
on to the next syllable.
|>Adveniat: ad-ve-ni-at or a-dve-ni-at?
Written: ad-ve-ni-at
Sung: a-dve-ni-at (and the 't' may well go on the next syllable unless
it's the last word before a rest.
I'll assume that you're talking about writing. You can apply this
principle for singing.
|>Exsultant: ex-sul-tant?
Yes.
|>observaveris: ob-ser-va-ve-ris or o-bser-va-ve-ris?
The former.
|>propter: pro-pter or prop-ter?
The latter.
|>aerumna: ae-rum-na or ae-ru-mna?
The former.
The rules for syllabification (for writing) are very similar to those
for English. Certain consonants do not go next to each other (dv, bs,
pt, mn) but are separated into different syllables.
--
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employed by, not necessarily speaking for,
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Lee Spear
Laura's question about
> Adveniat: ad-ve-ni-at or a-dve-ni-at?
> Exsultant: ex-sul-tant?
> observaveris: ob-ser-va-ve-ris or o-bser-va-ve-ris?
> propter: pro-pter or prop-ter?
> aerumna: ae-rum-na or ae-ru-mna?
>
took me right back to the good ole days of "Liturgical Latin and
Gregorian Chant", where we had the following four rules engraved on our
souls:
Rule I: When two or more vowels come together each forms a separate
syllable.
thus: "fi-li-i" "a-i-e-bat"
[There are exceptions of two kinds:
"ae" and "oe" have the sound and form of one syllable;
"au", and "eu" and "ay" have two sounds - each vowel is heard, but
they form only one syllable, as in "lau-da"
in the word "hei", the "ei" forms one syllable, but both sounds
are heard.]
Rule II: In simple words when a consonant occurs between two vowels it
is joined to the second of these:
thus: "le-por", "a-mor"
Rule III: When two consonants are placed between two vowels they must be
separated unless they are inseparables: "car-nem", "mar-tyr"
The following series of consonants are inseparables:
bd, bl, br, cl, cm, cn, ct, cr, dm, dn, dr, fl, fr, gl, gn, gr,
mn, ph, phl, phn, phr, phth, pl, pn, pr, ps, pt, sc, scr, sgn, sp, sph,
st, sth, str, th, thn, tl, tm, tr.
thus: "o-mnis", "pa-stor"
Rule IV: In compound words the consonants remain joined to the vowels
with which they formed a word before the compound was made:
thus: "ad-o-ro", "sic-ut"
Of course, this goes against the Waring Tone Syllables, but we all have
to suffer for art.
Cheers,
Lee Spear
Community Music Project
John J. Armstrong
In article <na.412a804787.a4...@argonet.co.uk>,
Fran Faulkner <starba...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <1997050800...@dmbsdi.datamar.com.ar>,
>gc...@datamarkets.com.ar (Nestor Andrenacci) wrote:
>
>> Adveniat: ad-ve-ni-at or a-dve-ni-at?
>How about aar-dvei - nee - aart
>
>> Exsultant: ex-sul-tant?
> air-gzool - tarnt
>
>> observaveris: ob-ser-va-ve-ris or o-bser-va-ve-ris?
> o - bsair - var- vair - ees
>
>> propter: pro-pter or prop-ter?
> pro - ptair
>
>> aerumna: ae-rum-na or ae-ru-mna?
> air - oo -mnar
>
>just my tuppeny worth!
Why all the extra "r" sounds? They're completely unnecessary. If there's
no "r" in the Latin word, there's no need to add one to the pronunciation.
John J. Armstrong
Dundee
Scotland
"Indecision is the key to flexibility."
Doreen Simmons
Laura-
In singing, go with the vowel, and sing all consonants in a clreagdeless
of meaning, and regardless of how it's done in speech..
FWIW, Doreen @ I've been singing twice as long as I taught Latin
Warren Steel
In article <na.412a804787.a4...@argonet.co.uk>,
Fran Faulkner <starba...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Adveniat: ad-ve-ni-at or a-dve-ni-at?
>How about aar-dvei - nee - aart
>> Exsultant: ex-sul-tant?
> air-gzool - tarnt
>> observaveris: ob-ser-va-ve-ris or o-bser-va-ve-ris?
> o - bsair - var- vair - ees
> air - oo -mnar
John J. Armstrong wrote:
> Why all the extra "r" sounds? They're completely unnecessary. If there's
> no "r" in the Latin word, there's no need to add one to the pronunciation.
I'm sure Fran was trying to indicate the quality of the
vowel by using the "silent postvocalic R" of RP English.
To English speakers who *do* pronounce postvocalic R
(most Americans, Canadians, Scots, and Irish) this can
be very confusing indeed--we'd tend to use "ah" instead
of "ar" for this vowel.
--
Warren Steel mu...@olemiss.edu
Department of Music University of Mississippi
URL: http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/~mudws/
Fran Faulkner
jjarm...@sol.co.uk (John J. Armstrong) wrote:
fran faulkner wrote
>
>>> aerumna: ae-rum-na or ae-ru-mna?
>> air - oo -mnar
> Why all the extra "r" sounds? They're completely unnecessary. If
> there's no "r" in the Latin word, there's no need to add one to the
> pronunciation.
Hmmmmm - I suppose I should have been clearer - I put the extra r's in to
indicate the sound of the preceding vowel, not that iot should be rolled or
voiced.
Fran@
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Fran Faulkner
Warren Steel <mu...@olemiss.edu> wrote:
> I'm sure Fran was trying to indicate the quality of the vowel by using
> the "silent postvocalic R" of RP English. To English speakers who *do*
> pronounce postvocalic R (most Americans, Canadians, Scots, and Irish)
> this can be very confusing indeed--we'd tend to use "ah" instead of "ar"
> for this vowel.
Got it in one!