Opinions on makers of bagpipes
Cameron Cameron
flame me, just direct me to a FAQ page, or chime in. I'm just starting
to learn our bands tunes, and will probably be looking to pick up my
first set of pipes sometime in the next 60 days. I'd welcome *ALL*
honest opinions on makers of good pipes. Also, if anyone has any hints
on how to locate used pipes, let me know!
Cameron Cameron
(seriously, that's my name!)
KIEF102387
im sorry cameron due to the lack of "cajones"
on this ng youll have a hard time finding any opinion thats not watered down
for fear of reprisal.
but my opinion (not that im qualified) is
on a 1-10 scale of pipes im very familiar with are.for solo
Naill-9.999999999999999999r
Sheperd- 7.8
Gibson-9.4
Hardie-8.
Kron-3.14159....
Kintail-8.2.
Disclaimer.
the opinion youve just seen certainly does not reflect on the opinion of the ng
or the piping community as a whole.LOL
???????????
?The Kieffer?
???????????
Mike LeBoeuf
Pakistani should be around a 8.
tone...@erols.com
> >Greetings all. This may be a commonly asked question, so please don't
> >flame me, just direct me to a FAQ page, or chime in. I'm just starting
> >to learn our bands tunes, and will probably be looking to pick up my
> >first set of pipes sometime in the next 60 days. I'd welcome *ALL*
> >honest opinions on makers of good pipes. Also, if anyone has any hints
> >on how to locate used pipes, let me know!
> >
> >Cameron Cameron
> >(seriously, that's my name!)
> im sorry cameron due to the lack of "cajones"
> on this ng youll have a hard time finding any opinion thats not watered down
> for fear of reprisal.
> but my opinion (not that im qualified) is
> on a 1-10 scale of pipes im very familiar with are.for solo
> Naill-9.999999999999999999r
> Sheperd- 7.8
> Gibson-9.4
> Hardie-8.
> Kron-3.14159....
> Kintail-8.2.
Okay, you've managed to get me peeved enough to comment ...
* Naill makes an excellent pipe, but there can be a long wait.
* Gibson makes (to my ear) THE best-sounding set on the market today. Magic.
However, the "ivory" mountings are very low-rent - I don't know why he
persists in using this stuff.
* I can't really comment on Kron until I've heard the whole pipe well-set-up.
(No knock here - you just can't judge the pipe sound based on hearing novice
pipers struggling). They are certainly well-made pipes.
* Hardie seems to have left their glory in the 1960s.
* Shepherd is a good instrument, particularly the chanter.
* Kintail MAY have improved in recent years, but many of the poorest sets of
pipes (east of the Suez, anyway) I've seen have been Kintail.
** Bonus Tip: Roddy MacLellan (Brick, NJ) makes a uniquely attractive bagpipe
(cocabola with bronze mounts) with a VERY good sound.
Chris
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http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
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LJNev
I have to throw my oar in for Roddy MacLellan's pipes... not only do they have
an excellent tone (internal dimensions modelled after a well-known Open piper's
old Lawries) but each set is a work of art... visit his webpage to check them
out <A HREF="http://www.highland-pipemaker.com/">Highland-Pipemaker.com</A>
I myself just ordered a set...
Laura Neville
Dave Nicoll
Mike LeBoeuf wrote:
> I wouldnt give Hardie a 8. I would gice them maybe around a .8
Ouch!!! I'm still playing the Hardies my grandmother gave me in 1960.
Should I pitch them? I notice the appearance of pipe pitching as an
event in this summer's games ("What tune?" thread).
Dave
co...@geocities.com
{SCREEN_USER_NAME}@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> I wouldnt give Hardie a 8. I would gice them maybe around a .8
> Pakistani should be around a 8.
>
Maybe the current generation of Hardies, but not the older versions, I play a
1975 set that's pretty damn nice.
Pakis should be rated -inifinity!
Brian C.
Member of PAP (Pipers against Paki's)
To all you flamers: no PAP smears!
Jay and Cris Johnson
If you haven't checked out Gibson bagpipes, you should. These pipes are
made by Jerry Gibson, formerly of the Queen's Own Highlanders. Jerry
moved to the U-S and makes a terrific set of pipes. They have a rich
tone, excellent workmanship, and Jerry stands behind EVERY set of his
pipes. In fact, I bought a new set last summer and Jerry called me a
month or six weeks after I received them to find out how I like them. I
LOVE THEM!
You can find his webpage at http://www.gibsonpipes.com/
Best of luck to you!
Jay Johnson
Pipe Major
Montana Highlanders Pipe Band
Flathead Valley, Montana USA
Rick Brice
For what its worth....
One of my pipers bought a set of Naills recently and
two of the three slides are not bored straight,
they get loose as they go up on the pins.
Rick
Dave Nicoll wrote:
> Mike LeBoeuf wrote:
> > I wouldnt give Hardie a 8. I would gice them maybe around a .8
>
> Ouch!!! I'm still playing the Hardies my grandmother gave me in 1960.
> Should I pitch them? I notice the appearance of pipe pitching as an
> event in this summer's games ("What tune?" thread).
>
> Dave
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Dave Atherton
>
> im sorry cameron due to the lack of "cajones"
> on this ng youll have a hard time finding any opinion thats not watered down
> Kron-3.14159....
Allow me to remove your "cajones" as well.
Please list all dates ,times ,owners etc. of where/when you actually
came in contact with a set of CE Kron & co. Drones /chanter.
let me guess...you've never seen nor heard set 1.
Why don't you ask a few NG veterans about the pipes..like Royce,Dave
Turpen,or Willie McCallum...all who have both seen/played the drones /
and chanter.
Or maybe you could ask Scot Walker(he plays our chanter in his band)
or ask Duncan Bell(he plays our chanter for solo)
or ask Ian Whitelaw(he plays our chanter for solo)
or ask Chip Reardon (he plays our drones and chanter)or any other number
of absolutely shit-hot players.
Or....you could fly to California where our drones/chanters are
everywhere.
Don't bother flaming me Mr.Kieffer,because I'm busy making the first
prize for the upcoming Metro Cup...my only satisfaction is knowing that
you won't be winning it.
...Chris Hamilton and Dave Turpen..please buy me a beer if I see ya
there.
Dave Atherton...pipemaker for CE Kron & Co. ,NY
LJNev
prize for the upcoming Metro Cup...my only satisfaction is knowing that
you won't be winning it.>>
Roddy MacLellan makes the Metro Cup prize.
Laura Neville
Brian Donovan
: Jerry Gibson, formerly of the Queen's Own Highlanders.
Mr. Gibson played for the Seaforth Highlanders, not the Queen's Own
Highlanders.
All the best,
Brian
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Brian Donovan "I've had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this
wasn't it."
-- Groucho Marx
bdo...@orion.it.luc.edu
Bagpiip
>>
HOW DID PAKI'S EVEN GET IN THE TOP TEN? They're in the last ten, not the top
ten.
madman
WRONG..he made the trophy which gets passed around every year to the
winner.....WE make the first prize.
Get your facts straight.
Royce Lerwick
<rbr...@xspam.gelac.mar.lmco.com> wrote:
>A lot of people seem to recommend the Naills.
>For what its worth....
>
>One of my pipers bought a set of Naills recently and
>two of the three slides are not bored straight,
>they get loose as they go up on the pins.
>Rick
You must be lying. The group should ignore this sort of negativity
about Naills as they are flawless and eternally perched at the
pinnacle of piping excellence. Ask the experts like bagpiip.
Royce
David Williams
Dave Nicoll wrote:
>
> Mike LeBoeuf wrote:
> > I wouldnt give Hardie a 8. I would gice them maybe around a .8
>
> Ouch!!! I'm still playing the Hardies my grandmother gave me in 1960.
> Should I pitch them? I notice the appearance of pipe pitching as an
> event in this summer's games ("What tune?" thread).
Ya, I'm sure Mike will let you trade them up for a set of pakis. You
might have to fork over some extra cash, though.
Ron Jimison
Shepherd (I think that is how R.T. spells it!)
Great chanter (blackwood) fair drones, tend to be less steady than some
others, loose mounts and ferrules, cracked stocks, but I still keep
them around.
Gibson
Lots and Lots of 'sound', but not pleasing (to my tastes). Seem less
well made than some other sets I have seen/used/owned. Cheap looking
mounts and ferrules, great design for the water trap!
Cushing
MY (repeat MY) favorite. Well made and finished! VERY steady, well
balanced drones. The most pleasing sound of the three sets (AGAIN, MY
OPINION).
Please note that your results may vary! If one brand was the ultimate,
would there be all these options on the market?
Take your time, play as many brands as you can; then ignore the brand
name and buy the best sounding set you can afford!!!
Good luck and have some fun.
Ron
KIEF102387 wrote:
>
> >Greetings all. This may be a commonly asked question, so please don't
> >flame me, just direct me to a FAQ page, or chime in. I'm just starting
> >to learn our bands tunes, and will probably be looking to pick up my
> >first set of pipes sometime in the next 60 days. I'd welcome *ALL*
> >honest opinions on makers of good pipes. Also, if anyone has any hints
> >on how to locate used pipes, let me know!
> >
> >Cameron Cameron
> >(seriously, that's my name!)
> >
> >
>
> im sorry cameron due to the lack of "cajones"
> on this ng youll have a hard time finding any opinion thats not watered down
> for fear of reprisal.
> but my opinion (not that im qualified) is
> on a 1-10 scale of pipes im very familiar with are.for solo
> Naill-9.999999999999999999r
> Sheperd- 7.8
> Gibson-9.4
> Hardie-8.
> Kron-3.14159....
> Kintail-8.2.
>
Hugh Peden, Tia ten Hoope, (and Rachel)
pipes since 1970. I think they are excellent - easy to reed and nice tone.
Have also had the opportunity to play two different sets of Henderson pipes
from the mid-20's over the last couple years - both being sets of band
pipes. Lovely tone, a bit more pleasing (richer & mellow ...not sure how to
describe it) than my Sinclair set. Due to the bore width had to add a
significant amount of hemp to the reeds to get them seated properly
otherwise reeds were jammed a way to far up into the drones. Would have
bought one of the sets from the band had the budget allowed.
Hugh
Royce Lerwick
>In article <36BFE6...@worldnet.att.net>,
> {SCREEN_USER_NAME}@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>> I wouldnt give Hardie a 8. I would gice them maybe around a .8
>> Pakistani should be around a 8.
>>
>
>Maybe the current generation of Hardies, but not the older versions, I play a
>1975 set that's pretty damn nice.
I think you got one of the last of that generation.
Royce
Royce Lerwick
><<Don't bother flaming me Mr.Kieffer,because I'm busy making the first
>prize for the upcoming Metro Cup...my only satisfaction is knowing that
>you won't be winning it.>>
>
>Roddy MacLellan makes the Metro Cup prize.
>
>Laura Neville
I don't know anything about this one way or the other, but I'd think
some people here would learn by now that when somebody with as high a
profile as Dave has shoots off his mouth with such certainty, I'm
betting the trophy has changed hands or something, and it would be
wise not to be so absolute in your challenge.
Royce
Royce Lerwick
wrote:
>Jay and Cris Johnson <spir...@digisys.net> wrote:
>
>: Jerry Gibson, formerly of the Queen's Own Highlanders.
>
>Mr. Gibson played for the Seaforth Highlanders, not the Queen's Own
>Highlanders.
And so did thousands of others, who don't make bagpipes. Not putting
down the military service, but, not necessarily some special
endorsement either for his playing or his pipemaking.
I say this, not to be anti-"Scot" or anti-British Military, but for
the benefit of the American element who simply swallow titles whole
and are suckers for a guy in uniform.
Royce
Royce Lerwick
>im sorry cameron due to the lack of "cajones"
>on this ng youll have a hard time finding any opinion thats not watered down
>for fear of reprisal.
Ironic hearing that from the tag-team partner of the groups most
reprisatory reprisor.
>but my opinion (not that im qualified) is
>on a 1-10 scale of pipes im very familiar with are.for solo
>Naill-9.999999999999999999r
>Sheperd- 7.8
>Gibson-9.4
>Hardie-8.
>Kron-3.14159....
>Kintail-8.2.
What do you mean you'll get jumped all over? What's the problem, can't
you stand by your convictions? Just pimping whatever you have in
overstock? On the one hand you say Naills are great, but then you list
all those other pipes. They can't all be any good. At least Shepherd
stands by his product and doesn't try to sell Naills. What would
Murray Henderson say? Would he sell you on Shepherd? I think not! Are
you a Krony? How dare you give them such a high rating! Kintails are
crap. Gregg Sharpe turns them on an old brake-drum lathe. Why do you
even list the antiquated paki-made Hardies? You don't want shoepolish
coming off the bass drone onto all your band togs! Don't you know
Gibson changes his chanter design every three weeks? I just spend a
weekend watching all the pot-metal mounts fall off a set of Shepherds.
Don't listen to anyone but Bill the Bagpiip. Bagpiip knows everything.
He will tell you what to buy and where to buy it and how much to pay.
Bill is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, omnidirectional,
omnivourous, omnibus, and omnimax.
Royce
(Unfortunately he tells me privately he won't post his opinions on the
NG because he wants to be able to pretend to remain neutral in these
discussions.)
Mike LeBoeuf
>
> Dave Nicoll wrote:
> >
> > > I wouldnt give Hardie a 8. I would gice them maybe around a .8
> >
> > Should I pitch them? I notice the appearance of pipe pitching as an
> > event in this summer's games ("What tune?" thread).
>
> Ya, I'm sure Mike will let you trade them up for a set of pakis. You
> might have to fork over some extra cash, though.
then they are prety good.
And I doubt I would ever buy a Hardie, old or new.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
>
> > I wouldnt give Hardie a 8. I would gice them maybe around a .8
> >
>
> Maybe the current generation of Hardies, but not the older versions, I play a
> 1975 set that's pretty damn nice.
>
>
> Brian C.
>
> Member of PAP (Pipers against Paki's)
> To all you flamers: no PAP smears!
>
> http://www.stcolumcille.com/
>
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they arent that bad. As long as they have a good tone, play steady,
look good, im fine with them
Mike
KIEF102387
everyone hates about them i think there pretty good. and i had a set of
kintails that sang like the sirens themselves
Rick Brice
Rick
Royce Lerwick wrote:
--
Rick Brice
delivered.....??? <g>
Rick
Jay and Cris Johnson wrote:
> Cameron,
>
> If you haven't checked out Gibson bagpipes, you should. These pipes are
> made by Jerry Gibson, formerly of the Queen's Own Highlanders. Jerry
> moved to the U-S and makes a terrific set of pipes. They have a rich
> tone, excellent workmanship, and Jerry stands behind EVERY set of his
> pipes. In fact, I bought a new set last summer and Jerry called me a
> month or six weeks after I received them to find out how I like them. I
> LOVE THEM!
>
> You can find his webpage at http://www.gibsonpipes.com/
>
> Best of luck to you!
>
> Jay Johnson
> Pipe Major
> Montana Highlanders Pipe Band
> Flathead Valley, Montana USA
>
> Cameron Cameron wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all. This may be a commonly asked question, so please don't
> > flame me, just direct me to a FAQ page, or chime in. I'm just starting
> > to learn our bands tunes, and will probably be looking to pick up my
> > first set of pipes sometime in the next 60 days. I'd welcome *ALL*
> > honest opinions on makers of good pipes. Also, if anyone has any hints
> > on how to locate used pipes, let me know!
> >
> > Cameron Cameron
> > (seriously, that's my name!)
--
madman
>
> A lot of people seem to recommend the Naills.
> For what its worth....
>
> One of my pipers bought a set of Naills recently and
> two of the three slides are not bored straight,
> they get loose as they go up on the pins.
> Rick
>
Another common misnomer....this doesn't neccesarily mean that they were
*bored* off-center.I'd have to look to be sure, but FWIW,
ALL round bores in wood at some point after they are initially bored,
start to go slightly oval(on the inside of course)while the tuning pin
is such a small diameter,it remains profiled more or less to its exact
specs whatever they may be.
The tuning chamber since it has now gone out-of round ,by a few
thousandths (on each side)will be much more sensitive to the variations
produced by uneven hemp on the bottom section, but even if the hemp was
perfect..those few thousandths of out-of-roundness are going to cause a
bit of binding here and there.Usually the binding is happening closest
to the ferrule,and nickel ferrules(since they are"drifted on",by
scraping a lead-in on the inside leading edge of the ferrule)are most
prone to this sort of thing.Those nickel ferrules are drifted on with
so much pressure(literally being hammered on,I used to use a carvers
mallet)that over the course of a few weeks,the wood on the ferrule end,
begins to crine in..and it doesn't take very much to produce binding on
the hemp tenon(tuning pin).
This is one of the reasons why we dropped the drifted nickel ferrules
on our #1 set and switched to threaded sterling silver ferrules.
this way we can ammeliorate the binding problems,while still getting
some pressure on the wood underneath the ferrule(to prevent cracks),
and at the same time ,we don't have to worry about the ferrules ever
coming off..like they almost always do when the wood shrinks beneath
those nickel ferrules.
One more thing...tuning chambers are the first part of the wood to be
pilot drilled and bored...so it is very unlikely that they are
"off-center" as you say.I've seen some pipes (I won't say whose),
that were just awful,but this doesn't happen *that* much nowadays,
its usually other bores and the top bores which are truly "off-center".
Actually-I consider this type of thing to be the sign of well-designed
pipe w/ good dimensions.Obviously..D. Naill and Co. designed their
tuning pins to only be hemped w/ 3-4 rows of hemp...which is about all
you should need ,give or take.
Some makers (hardie) keep the tolerance between the chamber and pin way
too close...while others just end up being what I call ..
"A ball of hemp".A real pain in the ass to re-hemp.
Keep your pipes Rick..there is nothing wrong with them.
As a matter of fact..if you send them up to the shop ...I'll re-ream
them for free.It only takes five minutes.Just pay me for the shipping
costs.
I re-ream right before I ship our pipes ,so I don't run into this
problem too much,and the well-seasoned wood I use helps as well.
The greener the wood...the more the chambers are gonna shift.
Dave Atherton..pipemaker for CE Kron & Co.,NY
madman
>
> Just how long was it from the time you ordered them until they were
> delivered.....??? <g>
> Rick
>
Rick Brice
But most of this is unrelated B.S.!
A long and Lugubrious dissertation that circumvents the initial argument.
I.E. a lot of tech-no-babble without addressing the real problem.
1. They are not MY pipes!
2. I would not buy Naills.
3. Incidentally My Naill Poly Long Practice Chanter Suxs Too!
4. These are brand new pipes. All arguments aside....this should never
happen.
and the individual should not have to pay one thin dime of shipping or
anything else to have the problem corrected.
5. Whether the pin tapers or the bore of the drone tapers is not relevant.
The poorly made pipes should never have been shipped.
6. The individual should not be forced to do without his pipes to correct a
mistake that never should have left the shop.
Rick
madman wrote:
--
madman
There was no mistake..there is no preventing this type of thing.
Can you even read past the 4th grade level??
ITS THE FUCKING NATURE OF PUTTING A ROUND BORE IN AN ORGANIC MEDIUM!!!!
Who the hell mentioned anything about pins or chambers being tapered??
RE READ THE FUCKING POST YOU ENGREAT SHITE.
Techno-babble????...I took a half an hour out of my fucking day to help
you out and you spit in my fucking face.
I also made a VERY FUCKING GENEROUS OFFER to correct the problem for
free...sans shipping costs.
I DIDN"T EVEN MAKE THOSE FUCKING PIPES!!!!
If you are too thick-headed ,and such a neophyte when it comes to owning
a set of GHB's that you would piss on such a generous offer...from which
I
have nothing to gain..than please go fuck yourself.
Go wine and pune to D.Naill and Co.
Its not that difficult to understand...re-read it 50 times if you have
to.
Signed a very,very pissed off pipemaker who makes a free offer to do a
repair and then gets pissed on by a semi-retarded piper.
Who hooked up your computer anyway???
Rick Brice
I heard you.
And I DON'T BUY IT!
And thank you for a most generous offer,
but I wouldn't recommend this solution to my piper.
The manufacturer should fix it or at least pay for it, including shipping.
But as I said, before, they are not my pipes.
You are working too hard....Chill!
I built my computer and a lot of others too!
Thank you for your time...
Regards,
Rick
madman wrote:
--
Rick Brice
The hemp is a compressible medium and
allowing that the outside diameter of the pin is within tolerance and
the inside diameter of the tuning chamber is within tolerance, then some
binding might occur.
But I cannot understand work so sloppy that the top of the drone wobbles on
the pin, but
binds less than half way down the pin.
Tony Adkins
All, including my newest set of Naill pipes, were nice and snug as the drone
top is inserted onto the tuning pin and would begin to bind as the edge of
the drone top began to pass the hemp line.
When I was much younger (12-16 years of age, I am 29 today) I really hated
this because I needed to tune my drone tops way down to compensate for a
poorly set up chanter (Although my untrained ear did not know it was poorly
set up at the time).
Through the years I have realized that the drones are designed to tune where
the edge of the drone top is in the middle of the hemp line. When your
drone top begins to go beyond the hemp line it impacts the drone sound (I
have seen players that have drones tuned where they touch the projecting
mount). A drone should not ever really need to move much, down about 1/4
inch or less as the chanter begins to pitch up through play.
I would theorize that Rick's Naill pipes are not crafted that much
differently than my pipes or any of the 15-18 sets of Naill pipes in the SFU
pipe band who all seem to be able to generate a sufficient drone sound.
Cheers,
Tony Adkins
Rick Brice wrote in message .<36C1F2AF...@xspam.gelac.mar.lmco.com>...
madman
Nothing personal of course.
I don't care if you buy it or not.
Take some Comm. college machining courses.
Let me guess...the mentioned pipes have nickel; ferrules,right?
This proves my crining on account of the ferrules inward pressure
theory,
which is not a theory, but simple easy to understand fact.
More so it is proven BY THE FACT that the pins are binding when the hemp
tenon reaches the ferrule area of the chamber.
Is that easy enough to follow?
I'll still ream em for free if you like.
You are using terms like "off-center" which does NOT apply in a
machining sense of the word to a TWO AXIS BORE.
I don't blame you for being upset...
BUT.. you are denigrating a product based on something you don't fully
understand.
Hell...I'm usually the first guy to jump down the throat of other
makers...but not this time.
Next time buy some Kron's.
Send up the pipes if you can.
I do work too hard...I need a beer..the damn lanlord keeps turning up
the heat.
Later...
madman
Thanks for the cooberation.
I smoked a few Marlboros and kicked the shop cat.(G)
Tim Sullivan
madman wrote in message <36C201...@idt.net>...
>You are usually a pain in my ass John.....But not this time.
>Thanks for the cooberation.
Cooperation??? Collarberation?? C'mon Dave, gimme a *hint* anyway!
<G>
>I smoked a few Marlboros and kicked the shop cat.(G)
Kicking the cat is fine, but you need to switch to a pipe for smoking.
madman
>
> Rick Brice wrote:
>
> I read it.
> I heard you.
> And I DON'T BUY IT!
>
> due to the characteristics of machining wood. I have seen
> this in just about every set of pipes I've owned.
This is normally the way it goes....especially if the wood was
acclimated to the relative humidity of the UK then shipped over to the
US drier climate(like in this case)
>
> Once the the wood has had a chance to stabilize and
> set, then all it takes is a quick ream to get the
> bore back into some kind of concentric shape.
Exactly.....
>
> If I were you, I'd take him up on his offer, alot of
> reconditioning shops would charge you $200 bucks
> plus shipping.
Exactly...and you'd get some big fucking song and dance about "how
difficult the job was, or some other BS"
I'm being way too nice here.
>
> Talk nice to him, maybe Dave will have had a
> couple of beers by now to settle himself down
After 5:00 the Budweiser flows like water....gotta put a few in the
freezer right now,No comments about Bud tasting like piss..its cheap and
I likes it.
Later
>
> Cheers
>
> John Mitchell
>
> [Image]
madman
I'll kick the pipe and smoke the damn cat...how's that(G)
LSRAPM
madman writes:
>You need to reread my post until you can understand it.
>There was no mistake..there is no preventing this type of thing.
Calm down, Dave....
Maybe he didn't appreciate your last post, but I did. From time to time you
live up to your name (BIG LOL!!! It took me a while to figure you out!) but
you're one of the best on this group for really knowing what you are talking
about. That last post that you took "half a day" writing was worth every word
- to me anyway.
Chris Eyre
teddyt...@my-dejanews.com
> I do work too hard...I need a beer..the damn lanlord keeps turning up
> the heat.
> Later...
I need a half-dozen beers.
TedP
Bagpiip
>> about Naills as they are flawless and eternally perched at the
>> pinnacle of piping excellence. Ask the experts like bagpiip.
>>
>> Royce<
Mr asshole, (Royce)
I have NEVER given an opinion on Naills anywhere, anytime, anyhow.
>> You must be lying.<<<
Sorry Rick, if "the great one" says your a liar, it must be true! He's never
wrong, and even when presented with facts, quotes etc, he's still right!
PS "The great one" means, a great arsehole!
Bagpiip
>There was no mistake..there is no preventing this type of thing.
>ITS THE FUCKING NATURE OF PUTTING A ROUND BORE IN AN ORGANIC MEDIUM!!!!
>Who the hell mentioned anything about pins or chambers being tapered??
>RE READ THE FUCKING POST YOU ENGREAT SHITE.
>Techno-babble????...I took a half an hour out of my fucking day to help
>you out and you spit in my fucking face.
>I also made a VERY FUCKING GENEROUS OFFER to correct the problem for
>free...sans shipping costs.
>I DIDN"T EVEN MAKE THOSE FUCKING PIPES!!!!
>If you are too thick-headed ,and such a neophyte when it comes to owning
>a set of GHB's that you would piss on such a generous offer...from which
>I
>have nothing to gain..than please go fuck yourself.
>Go wine and pune to D.Naill and Co.
>Its not that difficult to understand...re-read it 50 times if you have
>to.
>Signed a very,very pissed off pipemaker who makes a free offer to do a
>repair and then gets pissed on by a semi-retarded piper.
>Who hooked up your computer anyway???<
I must agree with you Dave, (ARGGGGGGH!) I thought it was informative, and very
nice of you to offer to repair them for free. I believe he owes you an
apology!
PS, Rent-a-center hooked up his computer. <G>
Bagpiip
> Kicking the cat is fine, but you need to switch to a pipe for smoking.<<
All depends what he puts in it <G>
Bagpiip
>>
>> Rick Brice wrote:
>>
>> I read it.
>> I heard you.
>> And I DON'T BUY IT!
>>
>> Rick, Dave is right! the would gets alot of stress
>> due to the characteristics of machining wood. I have seen
>> this in just about every set of pipes I've owned.
>This is normally the way it goes....especially if the wood was
>acclimated to the relative humidity of the UK then shipped over to the
>US drier climate(like in this case)
>>
>> Once the the wood has had a chance to stabilize and
>> set, then all it takes is a quick ream to get the
>> bore back into some kind of concentric shape.
>Exactly.....
>>
>> If I were you, I'd take him up on his offer, alot of
>> reconditioning shops would charge you $200 bucks
>> plus shipping.
>Exactly...and you'd get some big fucking song and dance about "how
>difficult the job was, or some other BS"
>I'm being way too nice here.<<
I'm really enjoying this string, but....
Hey guys! Put down your Buds for a minute and you'll see that in his original
post he stated "THEY'RE NOT HIS PIPES" LOL. That's why he doesn't care.
Bagpiip
>> the heat.
>> Later...<
Your lucky Dave, my landlord keeps shutting OFF the heat, and putting huge
padlocks on the door everytime I leave...
Zudupiper
>honest opinions on makers of good pipes.
Kron pipes are the best value for the money. Naill pipes are good too but
overpriced. Drumran pipes are not well made. Dunbar pipes are well made if
you don't mind plastic.
I'm gonna take some heat for this, but a lot of what determines pipe sound is
how they're set up.
Zu
Zudupiper
>
Pakis can sound pretty damn decent if you can set them up right and upgrade
what needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound. The workmanship's cheesy,
but the sound is okay if you make the right changes.
Zu
Royce Lerwick
> and i had a set of
>kintails that sang like the sirens themselves
Oh, so you got that set.
Royce
Royce Lerwick
>I have NEVER given an opinion on Naills anywhere, anytime, anyhow.
Or any other set of pipes so far, except Kron. Hmmmmm.....
Royce
Royce Lerwick
<rbr...@xspam.gelac.mar.lmco.com> wrote:
>I read it.
>I heard you.
>And I DON'T BUY IT!
Maybe you mean, you wish you *didn't* buy it.
Royce
Mike LeBoeuf
>
> Fuel to the conversation: I have been playing a set of mid-60's era Sinclair
> pipes since 1970. I think they are excellent - easy to reed and nice tone.
> Have also had the opportunity to play two different sets of Henderson pipes
> from the mid-20's over the last couple years - both being sets of band
> pipes. Lovely tone, a bit more pleasing (richer & mellow ...not sure how to
> describe it) than my Sinclair set. Due to the bore width had to add a
> significant amount of hemp to the reeds to get them seated properly
> otherwise reeds were jammed a way to far up into the drones. Would have
> bought one of the sets from the band had the budget allowed.
>
> Hugh
I have a set from the 70's, it is one of the greatest sets that ive
owned, but the mounts look like shite.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
I have worked with some makers in Pakistan so you dont have to make the
changes, just use a set of new reeds.. Although the chanters really
SUCK, The drones are prety good.
Mike
Rick Brice
madman wrote:
> Half of that was serious and the other half was tongue in cheek Rick.
> Nothing personal of course.
> I don't care if you buy it or not.
> Take some Comm. college machining courses.
> Let me guess...the mentioned pipes have nickel; ferrules,right?
Right! And on these brand new pipes the nickel ferrules are loose and
falling off!
>
> This proves my crining on account of the ferrules inward pressure
> theory,
> which is not a theory, but simple easy to understand fact.
> More so it is proven BY THE FACT that the pins are binding when the hemp
> tenon reaches the ferrule area of the chamber.
> Is that easy enough to follow?
> I'll still ream em for free if you like.
I don't understand why you would make such an offer.
I wouldn't, I would expect to be paid. Your time is more valuable than you
apparently value it!
I wouldn't try to "Bail Out" Naill either.
> You are using terms like "off-center" which does NOT apply in a
> machining sense of the word to a TWO AXIS BORE.
Sorry, poor choice of words...my background is Physics and EE.
But it seems like a greater variation than can be accounted for that simply.
I'm not saying. simple binding. I'm saying that the drone won't move past a
point halfway down the pin and
its loose at the top of the pin....that seems incredibly sloppy to
me....more than a few thousand inches out of tolerance.
> I don't blame you for being upset...
> BUT.. you are denigrating a product based on something you don't fully
> understand.
I'll buy that! and I'll defer to an expert, but make like I'm from Mo. and
"SHOW ME!"
> Hell...I'm usually the first guy to jump down the throat of other
> makers...but not this time.
> Next time buy some Kron's.
> Send up the pipes if you can.
> I do work too hard...I need a beer..the damn lanlord keeps turning up
> the heat.
> Later...
--------------
Rick Brice
good.
And the bronze lined bores and stocks are straight and don't bind.<g>
Rick
Zudupiper wrote:
> >Pakis should be rated -inifinity!
> >
>
> Pakis can sound pretty damn decent if you can set them up right and upgrade
> what needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound. The workmanship's cheesy,
> but the sound is okay if you make the right changes.
>
> Zu
--
co...@geocities.com
"Tim Sullivan" <shen...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> madman wrote in message <36C201...@idt.net>...
> >You are usually a pain in my ass John.....But not this time.
> >Thanks for the cooberation.
>
> Cooperation??? Collarberation?? C'mon Dave, gimme a *hint* anyway!
> <G>
>
> >I smoked a few Marlboros and kicked the shop cat.(G)
>
>
>
Brian C.
http://www.stcolumcille.com/
co...@geocities.com
zudu...@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote:
> >Pakis should be rated -inifinity!
> >
>
> Pakis can sound pretty damn decent if you can set them up right and upgrade
> what needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound. The workmanship's cheesy,
> but the sound is okay if you make the right changes.
>
> Zu
>
We've been down this road before about Paki Pipes. No matter what anyone says
about them, I will never be convinced that they are worth spending money on.
The workmanship's not just cheesy, it downright SUCKS! For the amount of
money you're going to spend on them to 'set them up right and upgrade what
needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound', you'd be better off spending a
few more bucks and get a set of REAL pipes that don't require the'upgrades'
in order to sound like a REAL set of pipes.
Things I like about Paki Pipes.
They burn real well,
They're lighter, so they are easier to pitch and I get better distance,
When I screw a tune up, I can tell my PM my pipes haven't learned to play in
english yet,
They are factory tuned and they are made to 'Highland Standards'.
madman
>
> In article <Fqnw2.324$lJ5...@news.flash.net>,
> "Tim Sullivan" <shen...@flash.net> wrote:
> >
> > madman wrote in message <36C201...@idt.net>...
> > >You are usually a pain in my ass John.....But not this time.
> > >Thanks for the cooberation.
> >
> > Cooperation??? Collarberation?? C'mon Dave, gimme a *hint* anyway!
> > <G>
> >
> > >I smoked a few Marlboros and kicked the shop cat.(G)
> >
> > Kicking the cat is fine, but you need to switch to a pipe for smoking.
> >
> >
> And what would that substance be in that pipe????
>
> http://www.stcolumcille.com/
>
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Undoubtedly something
"controlled"
tone...@erols.com
> KIEF102387 wrote:
>
>> and i had a set of
>> kintails that sang like the sirens themselves
>
> Oh, so you got that set.
Hehehehehehehe ... that's a GREAT line.
European or American siren?
Remember, in the Greek mythology, Ulysses had his sailors stuff wax in their
hears to avoid hearing the Sirens' song and be dashed upon the rocks.
Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton -- tone...@erols.com
http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
City of Washington Pipe Band
tone...@erols.com
zudu...@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote:
>> Pakis can sound pretty damn decent if you can set them up right and upgrade
>> what needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound. The workmanship's
>> cheesy, but the sound is okay if you make the right changes.
> We've been down this road before about Paki Pipes. No matter what anyone says
> about them, I will never be convinced that they are worth spending money on.
> The workmanship's not just cheesy, it downright SUCKS! For the amount of
> money you're going to spend on them to 'set them up right and upgrade what
> needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound', you'd be better off spending a
> few more bucks and get a set of REAL pipes that don't require the'upgrades'
> in order to sound like a REAL set of pipes.
Think of it like a computer. Say you buy a 486DX/33 with 8 MB RAM, a 300 MB
drive, a 2X CD-ROM, and VGA video because it's cheap. You then have to buy a
Pentium upgrade (probably a new motherboard), a new large-capacity drive, a
sound card, a faster CD-ROM, a RAM upgrade, etc.
After spending all that money getting the upgrade, then you spend lots of time
getting it all to work together, installing, etc. Not to mention driver
conflicts, reformatting, etc. An interesting exercise for a computer god, but
would YOU do this?
In the long run, it's better to spend the extra money for a product that will
do the job in the first place. I don't mean silver-and-ivory pipes and
blackwood chanters as a starter set for everyone, just a quality well-made
product backed by a guarantee and a track record.
In this day and age, there are too many good pipes available from a variety of
makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE for buying a set of
Pakistani bagpipes.
Bagpiip
>changes, just use a set of new reeds.. Although the chanters really
>SUCK, The drones are prety good.
>Mike<
So what do you do when the drones split, and the rest falls apart? Zu's (or
somebodys) 40 yr old set is probaly 1 in 1 million.
Bagpiip
>about them, I will never be convinced that they are worth spending money on.
>The workmanship's not just cheesy, it downright SUCKS! For the amount of
>money you're going to spend on them to 'set them up right and upgrade what
>needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound', you'd be better off spending a
>few more bucks and get a set of REAL pipes that don't require the'upgrades'
>in order to sound like a REAL set of pipes.
>
>
>They burn real well,
>They're lighter, so they are easier to pitch and I get better distance,
>When I screw a tune up, I can tell my PM my pipes haven't learned to play in
>english yet,
>They are factory tuned and they are made to 'Highland Standards'.
>
>
>Brian C.
>
Bravo! Well said. BTW, They bounce well too!
Bagpiip
>Mike
I'm not sure, he keeps squawking something about rent money and eviction or
some such nonsense. Always screaming about getting a life etc etc. You'd think
your dad would be more understanding...I'm only 41 <G>
Chuck Lawson
pipes.
even their practice chanters suck. any canadian or scotch made practice chanters
are 10 times better.
cheers chuck lawson clan maclaren
Mike LeBoeuf
on just fine, unlike alot of makers that I know of in Scotland.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
practice chanters, I think Nails plastic pr chanters SUCK, along with a
few the Dunbar has turned out.. They all sound very Airy or out of tune.
At least the Practice chanters that I order are in tune up and down the
scale and doesnt jump a 1/2 step on the high A.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
>
> In article <19990210215450...@ng-cc1.aol.com>,
> zudu...@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote:
> > >Pakis should be rated -inifinity!
> > >
> >
> > what needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound. The workmanship's cheesy,
> > but the sound is okay if you make the right changes.
> >
> >
>
> We've been down this road before about Paki Pipes. No matter what anyone says
> about them, I will never be convinced that they are worth spending money on.
> The workmanship's not just cheesy, it downright SUCKS! For the amount of
> money you're going to spend on them to 'set them up right and upgrade what
> needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound', you'd be better off spending a
> few more bucks and get a set of REAL pipes that don't require the'upgrades'
> in order to sound like a REAL set of pipes.
>
> Things I like about Paki Pipes.
>
> They burn real well,
> They're lighter, so they are easier to pitch and I get better distance,
> When I screw a tune up, I can tell my PM my pipes haven't learned to play in
> english yet,
> They are factory tuned and they are made to 'Highland Standards'.
>
> Brian C.
>
>
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and how well they sound. A few years ago people were only buying pipes
that were Made In Scotland, because they said they were the best pipes
and knowone could match them,, Now (I think) the Best pipes are Made in
the US, and if you think that people in Pakistan can Not match the
quality thats Bull Shit.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
> makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE for buying a set of
> Pakistani bagpipes.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
but instead of $1100, they are $600. Why not buy one of these? its the
exact same thing. Im not saying they Are as good as Kron's because I
know I will be beaten for that.
Mike
Bagpiip
>pipes.
>even their practice chanters suck. any canadian or scotch made practice
>chanters
>are 10 times better.
>cheers chuck lawson clan maclaren<
Funny you mention Paki chanters. We were in church (sun morning bagpipe lessons
with father Michael) 2 weeks ago sunday, and as my daughter and I were paused
listening to Mike, I glanced at her Paki chanter and as I was looking at it, I
heard a loud POP, and saw a crack break open the whole length of the body. I
thought it was particularly funny to see and hear it the way we did.
I was bragging to Zu about how we had a very nice looking and sounding Paki
chanter, and how amazed I was that a 24$ chanter could play at all, never mind
sound good too! Actually sound wise it was one of those 1 in 1 million Paki's
that looked good, as well as good sounding. It lasted 1 1/2 years, but spent 1
year of that in the box. The same thing in poly would've been 55 to 75$ but
would have lasted forever.
My point? Ahhh I forgot now... But it was pretty funny to see that crack
actually open up like that.
Bagpiip
>time
>getting it all to work together, installing, etc. Not to mention driver
>conflicts, reformatting, etc. An interesting exercise for a computer god,
>but
>would YOU do this?<
You forgot to say "after you get everything installed and working good, it
suddenly spits fire, and frys into dust".
>In this day and age, there are too many good pipes available from a variety
>of
>makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE for buying a set of
>Pakistani bagpipes<
Ahhhhhmen! .
Hey Chris, are you running for office? If so, you got my vote!
Bagpiip
>on just fine, unlike alot of makers that I know of in Scotland.
>Mike
>
LOL Yes you get much worse from Pakistan.
Bagpiip
>
>Royce<
Then you haven't read all my posts.
Bagpiip
>but instead of $1100, they are $600. Why not buy one of these? its the
>exact same thing. Im not saying they Are as good as Kron's because I
>know I will be beaten for that.
>Mike<
Your not saying it because you know (I hope) it's not true! The materials
aren't even the right wood, nevermind being seasoned correctly. Point is,
they're NOT as good. You don't have to be a piping genius to know they suck.
Bagpiip
Ahhh, this explains a lot...
>because I
>know I will be beaten for that.<
Anyone who defends the "quality" (harr harr harr) of Paki's deserves a good
beating, and usually just the mention of them can bring Royces lawyers down on
you, kickin in your door, and confiscating your hard drive and forever barring
you from any further internet activity. <G>
Bagpiip
>practice chanters, I think Nails plastic pr chanters SUCK, along with a
>few the Dunbar has turned out.. They all sound very Airy or out of tune.
>At least the Practice chanters that I order are in tune up and down the
>scale and doesnt jump a 1/2 step on the high A.
>Mike<
Gee I seem to detect a pattern here... Do you have trouble with everything
made in scotland?
Hugh Peden, Tia ten Hoope, (and Rachel)
True enough....the mounts are some imitation ivory...(read:plastic).....that
has gone a god-awefull dark yellow..(shite)....To bad my Dad couldn't have
afforded more than the $175 he paid for them back then because he might have
forked over for a set of silver/ivory. All that aside, it is the sound I am
concerned with and the Sinclair's are very nice indeed. As I have no
intention of over selling them I don't really give a damn what their resale
value may be at this time.
Cheers!
Mike LeBoeuf wrote in message <36C275...@worldnet.att.net>...
tone...@erols.com
Chris said,
>> In this day and age, there are too many good pipes available from
>> a variety of makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE
>> for buying a set of Pakistani bagpipes
> Ahhhhhmen! .
> Hey Chris, are you running for office? If so, you got my vote!
I'll be running for King of Scotland against Idi Amin ...
Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton -- tone...@erols.com
http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
City of Washington Pipe Band
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>> In this day and age, there are too many good pipes available from
>> a variety of makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE
>> for buying a set of Pakistani bagpipes.
>> Chris
> If my pipe Makers in Pakistan can make pipes as good as Nail or Kron,
> but instead of $1100, they are $600. Why not buy one of these? its the
> exact same thing. Im not saying they Are as good as Kron's because I
> know I will be beaten for that.
I'll agree with your statement. The rub is the general shoddiness of the
majority of products originating there. No doubt there are skilled craftsmen
who can turn out good product.
Of course, you know what trouble Kathy Lee Gifford got into for getting
involved with those 3rd-World wage earners making her clothing line. :-)
tone...@erols.com
> Sure they are ;-) Just look at Kyle's practice chanters or Cushings
> practice chanters, I think Nails plastic pr chanters SUCK, along with a
> few the Dunbar has turned out.. They all sound very Airy or out of tune.
> At least the Practice chanters that I order are in tune up and down the
> scale and doesnt jump a 1/2 step on the high A.
Well, ya gotta try a Gibson long practice chanter. Extremely true and sweet
as honey ... I'll never give up my rosewood PC.
Zudupiper
>of
>makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE for buying a set of
>Pakistani bagpipes.
Ignorance is the only excuse.
A student came to me with a set of Pakis he had bought for $300 from Lark in
the Morning. $200 worth of upgrades and the pipes sounded decent. He was
already into them for $300, and for $200 more he turned them into something
that wouldn't embarrass him.
He bought a set of Krons and sold the Pakis to another student for about $350.
Fair price for what they are now. This summer I'll buy them back from that
student for a couple hundred and sell them to the next up-and-coming student
for $300. It's almost like an instrument rental deal...if the student doesn't
break the pipes, I'll buy 'em when he upgrades to a real set or moves on.
It doesn't seem that hard to make a semi-adequate set of drones, judging from
these Pakis. It doesn't seem to be rocket science anyhow...use cheaper wood,
leave the bores rough, but they still sound like bagpipes. Better than I
expected anyway.
I'm not dissing any REAL pipemakers, but I was amazed that the Pakis sounded as
good as they did, considering how crappily they're made.
Anyway, back to your point...ignorance probably accounts for most of the sales
of Paki pipes. But they ain't that bad and for certain purposes they're all
right.
Zu
Zudupiper
>changes, just use a set of new reeds.. Although the chanters really
>SUCK, The drones are prety good.
>Mike
The chanter's worthless and the blowpipe not much better, based on the set I
resurrected. Those are the 2 big things that need to be upgraded. Wonder if
it's possible to buy just the drones and stocks, and what the price would be.
Buy a midrange hide bag from a real maker and get a plastic blowpipe and stock
and a used plastic chanter from somewhere. That's about $200 of improvements.
Even if the sticks cost as much as $100 a set (which I doubt they do), you're
looking at having an adequate set of pipes for say $350 if you tie 'em in
yourself ($400 all reeded and $450 all spiffed up with primo bagcover and
cords).
But what do I know.
Achmed Ibn-Zu
Mike LeBoeuf
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
My the pipes I get will not need a new blowpipe, unless you want an
airsteam type thing, then your on your own, and as for the chanter, you
dont have to junk it because im not buying the chanter's from the maker,
im buying the chanters from makers over here and selling them with the
sets. The leather bag does Not need to be changed, it is prety damn
good, ALL Silk drone cords that I have seen from Anyone are made in
Pakistan so you wont need to change those either, as for the cover its
up to you.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
Not from the makers that I go through. Although I can give you names of
about 40 makers that do make crapy bagpipes that arent worth playing,
and so far every Importer in the US (except me) orders from those
makers.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
>
> >Just look at Kyle's practice chanters or Cushings
> >practice chanters, I think Nails plastic pr chanters SUCK, along with a
> >few the Dunbar has turned out.. They all sound very Airy or out of tune.
> >At least the Practice chanters that I order are in tune up and down the
> >scale and doesnt jump a 1/2 step on the high A.
>
> Gee I seem to detect a pattern here... Do you have trouble with everything
> made in scotland?
And for the rest of the makers, so far nothing has intrested me.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
rosewood, its equivelent to Pine or some soft wood. Get one that is
made of Ebony, it will last as long as any other chanter.
Mike
Mike LeBoeuf
>
> >If my pipe Makers in Pakistan can make pipes as good as Nail or Kron,
> >but instead of $1100, they are $600. Why not buy one of these? its the
> >exact same thing. Im not saying they Are as good as Kron's because I
> >know I will be beaten for that.
>
> Your not saying it because you know (I hope) it's not true! The materials
> aren't even the right wood, nevermind being seasoned correctly. Point is,
> they're NOT as good. You don't have to be a piping genius to know they suck.
Ebony used to be one of the most popular woods in Pipe Making, my P/M
has a set of Ebony and Ivory MacDoughalls and that is the greatest set
that I have ever heard, Nothing is wrong with the Wood. He also has a
set of Silver and Im ivory hardies from the 40's, It EBONY!!!
Blackwood is just more expencive the Ebony, and if it makes a softer
tone Let it, for $200 less, I dont mind a bagpipe being a little softer.
Mike LeBoeuf
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> >> In this day and age, there are too many good pipes available from
> >> a variety of makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE
> >> for buying a set of Pakistani bagpipes.
>
> > If my pipe Makers in Pakistan can make pipes as good as Nail or Kron,
> > but instead of $1100, they are $600. Why not buy one of these? its the
> > exact same thing. Im not saying they Are as good as Kron's because I
> > know I will be beaten for that.
>
> majority of products originating there. No doubt there are skilled craftsmen
> who can turn out good product.
>
> Of course, you know what trouble Kathy Lee Gifford got into for getting
> involved with those 3rd-World wage earners making her clothing line. :-)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton -- tone...@erols.com
> http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
> City of Washington Pipe Band
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Mike LeBoeuf
>
> >If my pipe Makers in Pakistan<
>
>
> >know I will be beaten for that.<
>
> beating, and usually just the mention of them can bring Royces lawyers down on
> you, kickin in your door, and confiscating your hard drive and forever barring
> you from any further internet activity. <G>
Mike
Royce Lerwick
wrote:
>No, the drones dont split fall apart, warp, or bend, and the mounts stay
>on just fine, unlike alot of makers that I know of in Scotland.
>Mike
I'll back that up pretty much with one secret supplier, but I've
never found a set of Paki pipes yet that didn't tune at concert A or
just 10 cents above, meaning you have to ream out all the bores in the
drones to get them tuning anywhere near conventional lengths, but they
do sound pretty good.
Royce
(It's not worth reaming them unless you're just a nutcase and like
punishment.)
Royce Lerwick
>>Just look at Kyle's practice chanters or Cushings
>>practice chanters, I think Nails plastic pr chanters SUCK, along with a
>>few the Dunbar has turned out.. They all sound very Airy or out of tune.
>>At least the Practice chanters that I order are in tune up and down the
>>scale and doesnt jump a 1/2 step on the high A.
>>Mike<
>
>Gee I seem to detect a pattern here... Do you have trouble with everything
>made in scotland?
Actually, Kyle and Dunbar are Canadian products, and Cushing is an
American. But then, maybe you should just have your daughter post her
opinions on piping related topics from now on, since there's half a
chance *she* might be familiar enough with the instrument to be worth
reading.
Royce
Royce Lerwick
>Funny you mention Paki chanters. We were in church (sun morning bagpipe lessons
>with father Michael) 2 weeks ago sunday, and as my daughter and I were paused
>listening to Mike, I glanced at her Paki chanter and as I was looking at it, I
>heard a loud POP, and saw a crack break open the whole length of the body. I
>thought it was particularly funny to see and hear it the way we did.
> I was bragging to Zu about how we had a very nice looking and sounding Paki
>chanter, and how amazed I was that a 24$ chanter could play at all, never mind
>sound good too! Actually sound wise it was one of those 1 in 1 million Paki's
>that looked good, as well as good sounding. It lasted 1 1/2 years, but spent 1
>year of that in the box. The same thing in poly would've been 55 to 75$ but
>would have lasted forever.
> My point? Ahhh I forgot now... But it was pretty funny to see that crack
>actually open up like that.
I tell the same story, only it was at a band clinic with Rob
Mathieson, and it was a 4 week old Kintail wood pipe chanter.
Royce
(Kintail is made in Scotland by the way.)
Royce Lerwick
All the ones that appear on my server.
Royce
(And a few in dejanews--do remember you daughter's opinion being
mentioned though.)
tone...@erols.com
> Ebony used to be one of the most popular woods in Pipe Making, my P/M
> has a set of Ebony and Ivory MacDoughalls and that is the greatest set
> that I have ever heard, Nothing is wrong with the Wood
Mike's right about ebony. My MacDougall's are ebony. One problem with it is
that it's dryer than blackwood and very susceptible to cracking (that's why I
have two replacement parts!).
mike_...@my-dejanews.com
from turning out a first rate pipe. I will guarantee that when that happens,
the pipes will carry the maker's name, and not the name a country that is
notorious for shoddy bagpipes.
I have no doubt that a Pakistani craftsman CAN match the quality of Scottish,
U.S., or Canadian made pipes. I have serious doubts that any DO match the
quality. I also doubt that any try. Face it, they market to the "I want a
bagpipe, but I don't want to wait and save up my money" crowd, rather than the
"I want a quality instrument that will serve me for years" crowd.
Remember, you get what you pay for.
Mike
In article <36C35C...@worldnet.att.net>,
{SCREEN_USER_NAME}@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> co...@geocities.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <19990210215450...@ng-cc1.aol.com>,
> > zudu...@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote:
> > > >Pakis should be rated -inifinity!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Pakis can sound pretty damn decent if you can set them up right and
upgrade
> > > what needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound. The workmanship's
cheesy,
> > > but the sound is okay if you make the right changes.
> > >
> > > Zu
> > >
> >
> > We've been down this road before about Paki Pipes. No matter what anyone
says
> > about them, I will never be convinced that they are worth spending money on.
> > The workmanship's not just cheesy, it downright SUCKS! For the amount of
> > money you're going to spend on them to 'set them up right and upgrade what
> > needs to be upgraded to achieve a good sound', you'd be better off spending
a
> > few more bucks and get a set of REAL pipes that don't require the'upgrades'
> > in order to sound like a REAL set of pipes.
> >
> > Things I like about Paki Pipes.
> >
> > They burn real well,
> > They're lighter, so they are easier to pitch and I get better distance,
> > When I screw a tune up, I can tell my PM my pipes haven't learned to play in
> > english yet,
> > They are factory tuned and they are made to 'Highland Standards'.
> >
> > Brian C.
> >
> > http://www.stcolumcille.com/
> >
> > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
> It shouldnt matter where the pipes are made, just how well their made
> and how well they sound. A few years ago people were only buying pipes
> that were Made In Scotland, because they said they were the best pipes
> and knowone could match them,, Now (I think) the Best pipes are Made in
> the US, and if you think that people in Pakistan can Not match the
> quality thats Bull Shit.
> Mike
madman
are made in
> Pakistan so you wont need to change those either, as for the cover its
> up to you.
> Mike
You haven't seen the ones we sell then...because they are made in
Britain.
VERY classy..a huge difference in materials and workmanship.
Pakis suuuuuccccckkkkkk.
Dave @ CE Kron & Co. ,NY
madman
>
> > In this day and age, there are too many good pipes available from a variety of
> > makers for a variety of prices for there to be ANY EXCUSE for buying a set of
> > Pakistani bagpipes.
> >
> > Chris
> If my pipe Makers in Pakistan can make pipes as good as Nail or Kron,
> but instead of $1100, they are $600. Why not buy one of these? its the
> know I will be beaten for that.
For a guy who is learning how to make bagpipes,you have got a long ,long
way to go.
Get away from the paki crap its just going to poison your ear and
especially your eye when you're turning.
Piobare
After all the ballyhoo surrounding pipemakers on this ng I still ordered a set.
Ha. LOL
Your insistance to the quality (as well as rave reviews from my PM) conviced me
to step away from the "Naille" mentality of the band.
I must, however, cajole you on your misunderstanding of Paki pipes.
I have a set and they are great.
They are so good at holding down a shelf in my storage room that all the dust
for months has gathered on and around them. The bag that came with the set was
so good that it lasted almost 6 months.
The seasoning that came with the set was so good that it has congealed into the
folded shape of the bag on the shelf.
The reeds that came with the set were so good as to not make much more than a
squeak before they died (both sets of reeds were this good).
So please, stop ranting about the quality of Paki pipes and let others spend
thier hard earned cash on a wonderfull set as I did.
LMAO
Mike
co...@geocities.com
Oh they could if they tried hard enough, but they don't and thats a fact of
life so get over it. It's a shoddy product shoddily made that sounds like
shite.