Pakistan Uilleann pipes?
Mike P
I often see the lower quality of the Pakistan made highland pipes discussed,
but does anybody know about the Pakistan made Uilleann pipes that Lark in
the Morning sells?
Thanks,
Mike
Don Robertson
I forget who, Royce might know, and know more of the details, but there was a
UP maker that was selling Paki UPs' that had been re-bored and fitted with new
reeds to make them playable for less than a well made set. But only, if I
remember correctly, as an interim to getting a better set.
Cheers
Don
Lookoutpiper
lot of time on your hands it still is not worth it.... best thing to do is
contact a good maker and just wait it out.... I got rid a a 1/2 paki set that
could not be tuned and i have played highlands for 7 years and uilleanns for
3... and can make a reed play and tune in both.... but not those..... and sold
them as such.... FOR SALE.... look good but thats it...
me...@skyway.usask.ca
>Crap, just that simple. Just plain un-adulterated C R A P!!!
> I forget who, Royce might know, and know more of the details, but there was a
Think that's (at least) Tim Britton (and maybe others ..?)
Mike P
What maker would you reccomend, for an almost-beginner, at a decent price?
Thanks again,
Mike P
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Tim Sullivan
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> Thanks.
> What maker would you reccomend, for an almost-beginner, at a decent price?
>
> Thanks again,
> Mike P
Reasonable pricing is relative. I don't think that there are any makers out
there selling 'inexpensive' sets of UP's. Some cost less than others, but
they are still MUCH more expensive than GHB's. Of course, they are more
complex too!
J. L. Huffer
lovely set of pipes for a very reasonable price. I have not played a set of
Ray Sloan pipes but have heard some very favorable comments about them,
price and quality wise. I do own a half set from Ian McKenzie (SIMAC
pipes), an Australian maker that offers pipes at a very reasonable price and
with the exchange rate, these pups are a real steal. They are also a
wonderful set of pipes, I am very happy with mine.
Lance
Don Robertson
Courtesy reasons I suspect. However, you should join the UP mailing list. There
a a couple of makers (Bruce Childress and Ray Sloan to mention two) that
participate as well as some very experienced players. Take a look at the web
page David Daye has; http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/~bdaye/bagpipes.html
there is info on the mailing list as well as links to other sites that are very
helpful.
There is also the page from "Na Píobairí Uilleann";
http://www.iol.ie/~npupipes/npuhome.htm
they have a listing of makers also. My suggestion is look and ask a lot of
questions from makers try to find one close to you if possible. My half set
came from John Pedersen in San Anselmo Ca.
Also, ask on the UP mailing don't be afraid to ask the listees' what they
think of the maker you may be considering. It can save you a big headache.
Cheers
Don
Royce Lerwick
>In a previous article, Don Robertson <docp...@qwest.net> wrote:
>>Crap, just that simple. Just plain un-adulterated C R A P!!!
>> I forget who, Royce might know, and know more of the details, but there was a
>
>
> Think that's (at least) Tim Britton (and maybe others ..?)
I talked to Tim a few months back about that and he's stopped taking
on Paki fixemups because he's behind on his own orders anyway.
Basically he does what he does with most any other chanter adaptation,
he rebuilds whatever throat configuration that existed by drilling a
tap hole for inserting a brass tube making that critical area fall
into compliance with his own reed design.
You can get the Lark pipes going pretty well if you by luck get a
*good* reed that comes with them, and then go about making a few of
your own. There's a little hole tuning to do and some rushing of the
chanter, but the reeds that come with these chanters play pretty well.
Unfortunately they don't carry replacement reeds or you could order a
load of them and have a supply fairly cheaply, but the pipes come with
one reed per chanter and no spares for some reason are available. The
spares Lark sells as replacements for these or designed for a Dave
Williams chanter, and could work in the Paki chanters if you undercut
or open up back D a helluvalot, because this is very flat with these
reeds.
I think in general the staple needs to be longer than usual and the
blades wider than usual, but the chanters can be made to sound very
good. If you know how to do this however, you wouldn't be buying your
first set of UP, so unless you've got someone to re-whittle your
chanter and/or bodge up some reeds, just get on a waiting list.
Royce
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Royce Lerwick
wrote:
I can only respond to the budget UP in Lark when I say they can and do
sound very good, as I've seen and heard several sets reworked by Tim
Britton and have done up several myself. Britton as I've said, remakes
the throat and used his own reed design, and what I've done is just go
with the longer staple, wider blade *weird* design that seems to work
in these well, and shove the reed way into the throat, this latter
accomplishing essentially the same thing Tim is doing with the brass
liner.
Other Pakistani sets may be totally useless.
Royce Lerwick
<docp...@qwest.net> wrote:
>You may find that a lot of UP pipers won't recommend one maker over another.
>Courtesy reasons I suspect.
The biggest consideration is enpipus makus locus, meaning, get a guy
in your neighborhood. I've got a full set of Bourke UP with a fully
keyed chanter in blackwood and full ivory, but I'd rather have a full
set made by Seth Gallagher for instance. I have a chanter by Gallagher
and he's been great with custom changes and reedmaking and so forth,
and in short I have an instrument that plays like an instrument, and
not a hobby project. Seth is going to help with reeding up the Bourke
chanter, but frankly, it seems to me almost a waste of time (despite
it's very very good tone) because the Gallagher came to me playing out
of the box. If I have problems or changes or questions Seth can answer
a phone or email almost immediately on the matter.
Now, the same could be said of any maker anywhere in the world, but
there is in fact a practical removal from the immediate conditions
when dealing overseas with a maker. Not only is the climate different,
but there is an inherent delay and danger any time you have to ship a
part back and forth.
But the most overt consideration is that Johnny Bourke is stone dead
and he aint making any more reeds for this beautiful chanter no matter
how much I pay him or how long a waiting list I get on. I don't even
have a surviving example to give somebody else. That means I or
someone else is going to have to guess it out by trial and error a few
designs to get a reed working well. You want a non-dead maker. Failing
that, you want a known-design and access to a reedmaker who'll fool
with it for you.
And definitely if you can pick up a chanter from someone like Bruce
Childress who's on the UP listserve and you've got some quirk you want
explained in your reed or whatever, you can get direct feedback from
the chanter and reed maker instantly, and because he isn't dead and he
made both he knows exactly what you've got, how it works, and how to
fix or improve whatever you want fixed or improved, and he doesn't
have to be right there with you. This is not true with a dead pipe and
reed maker, who is not there with you, not anywhere with you, and
nobody has exactly the chanter and reed you have, and thus nobody can
give you any real help remotely on anything about either.
C Carter
> You can get the Lark pipes going pretty well if you by luck get a
> *good* reed that comes with them, and then go about making a few of
> your own. There's a little hole tuning to do and some rushing of the
> chanter, but the reeds that come with these chanters play pretty well.
I've noticed that a couple of the Paki makers are now offering a
blackwood Paki made pipe at almost the price of a cheaper GB or NA made
set. I've never seen a BW Paki set offered for sell before now, and I'm
wondering if these are at a higher standard that the typical rosewood
variety that we see. Has anyone seen an example of of these new
products?
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Michael Le boeuf
a little out of tune), they play. The bag and bellows work well, just
replace the chanter.
Mike
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Royce Lerwick
wrote:
The Lark Pipes are made of striped ebony and the workmanship is really
suprisingly good. The mountings are some sort of nickel silver and a
type of white plastic that looks like Jerry Gibson turned it. As far
as UP goes, striped ebony is pretty acceptable wood for a very good
tone. A lot of other woods, fruit woods and so forth work well in UP.
But the "cocus" or "shesham" wood or "rosewood" you see advertised or
made into these pipes is worthless. And the "rosewood" isn't
"rosewood," it looks more like Phillipine mahogany.
Tim Sullivan
> The Lark Pipes are made of striped ebony and the workmanship is really
> suprisingly good. The mountings are some sort of nickel silver and a
> type of white plastic that looks like Jerry Gibson turned it. As far
> as UP goes, striped ebony is pretty acceptable wood for a very good
> tone. A lot of other woods, fruit woods and so forth work well in UP.
> But the "cocus" or "shesham" wood or "rosewood" you see advertised or
> made into these pipes is worthless. And the "rosewood" isn't
> "rosewood," it looks more like Phillipine mahogany.
Philippine Mahogany? I don't think so. That is pretty expensive stuff.
The rosewood that I have seen made in Pakistein's looks more like balsa,
with a cheery mahogany stain.
Raistlin88
the shortes wait I'm aware of. They have a website somewhere, it should be on
Bob's page but if you can't find it e-mail me and I'll send it to you. Here's
a review I wrote about their pipes that I've saved because I've been asked for
my opinion on them so many times:
Overall I'd say they are a very good set of pipes. I haven't been playing
Uilleann pipes for very long so I don't have much to compare them to but I have
been playing highland pipes for a while so I know something about the quality
of the pipes. The chanter has been great, fairly easy to tune and stable, it
also easily jumps between octaves. I'm having great success with a David Daye
reed in it right now. This is a very important thing as I have met a many
Uilleann pipers that almost gave up because they had trouble reeding there
chanter and getting it to play well. The drones work well and have a strong
bass sound which I like. The regulators take a little bit to get set up as
with any Uilleann pipes but once I got them going they sound great and have a
nice blend with the instrument. Aesthetically, there aren't a lot of frills or
extra decoration but everything is functional and well made. My only complaint
would be the bellows, which I find a little big and clunky. One of the most
important things with such a picky instrument is the customer service. Martin
and Irena Preshaw have been very helpful with any questions about their
instrument and I consider this a big plus.
hope this helps,
Casey