Grade IV 2/4 March
McLAGHMAN
Cromdale.
me...@skyway.usask.ca
>I'm looking for a 2 part 2/4 march for grade IV comp. Other than Houghs of
>Cromdale.
Richard Mao
Look into one from this list... all good marches...
Miss Delicia Chisholm
The Canadian Scottish (Royal Scots Book)
The 51st Highland Division at Wadi Akarit (QOH Standard Settings)
Prince Charles Welcome toLochaber
Siege of Delhi
Muir of Ord
79th Farewell to Gibraltar
My Native Highland Home
Walter Douglas, M.B.E.
Good luck...
Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( peking...@mao.org )
When faced with a problem you do not understand, do any part of it you do
understand, then look at it again… Robert Heinlein
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Chris Hamilton
>Look into one from this list... all good marches...
>
> Miss Delicia Chisholm
> The Canadian Scottish (Royal Scots Book)
> The 51st Highland Division at Wadi Akarit (QOH Standard Settings)
> Prince Charles Welcome toLochaber
> Siege of Delhi
> Muir of Ord
> 79th Farewell to Gibraltar
> My Native Highland Home
> Walter Douglas, M.B.E.
Don't forget the lovely "Duncan MacInnes" or "Dundee Military Tattoo".
Chris
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Chris Hamilton -- Tone...@erols.com
City of Washington Pipe Band
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LJNev
Muir of Ord is a 4/4 that I believe you can find in John MacLellan's "More
Music..." - though it has four parts, its time signature makes it inappropriate
for competition.
Laura Neville
William Burt
was "Leaving Glenurquart." It's not too difficult and a really nice
expressive tune. You might also consider "Glenfinnan Highland Gathering,"
though the judges may regurgitate at hearing that one constantly during a
Gr IV contest. Another good one is "Ronan," and you might consider "King
George V's Army" which are all good Gr. IV tunes for solos. Hope this
helps.
Bill Burt
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Richard Mao
Of the several publishings listed of Muir of Ord... only John MacLellan's book sets
this delightful G.S.MacLennan tune in common time.
The SPBA Volume II, The Cairngorm Collection Volume 1 of G.S. MacLennan tunes, The
Gordon Highlanders Volume II all have a 2/4 setting...and I have heard this tune
many times presented and judged with no problem in the midwest as a 2/4 tune...
If the piper chooses this tune...I don't think there will be a problem.
Cheers..
Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( peking...@mao.org )
When faced with a problem you do not understand, do any part of it you do
understand, then look at it again… Robert Heinlein
Richard Mao
When picking a grade 4 tune for presentation in competition...please pick one
that you are or will be able to play well. A judge (especially in grade 5 and
4) would rather hear and will reward a simpler tune played well technically
than a tune exceeding the piper's capabilities hacked up. I certainly agree,
for example, that Leaving Glenurquhart is a grade 3 tune... not in the class
of Haughs of Cromdale (which I classify as a beginning grade 4 kind of tune
and the alternatives I listed in the previous response were in roughly in the
same category of difficulty).
A judge, though he or she may have heard a certain tune a lot of times...will
very certainly be quickly able to recognize that tune played well...and
rejoice in the hearing... I do not want any piper to think that if he or she
picks a simple tune or an often played tune that that will be counted against
them...
Several tunes have been suggested as nice for grade 4... I would like to add
more along with my personal feeling for their relative difficulty level.
Mainstream Grade IV Competition 2/4's
Major C.M. Usher. O.B.E.
Captain Norman Orr Ewing
Duncan MacInnes
Atholl & Breadalbane Gathering
King George V's Army
Rhodesian Regiment
Achany Glen
The 25th KOSB’s
Upper Level Grade IV, Tune-up (and appropriate) for Grade III
….Ronan
Inverness Gathering
Glen Caladh Castle
(Father) John Macmillan of Barra
Glenfinnan Highland Gathering
Donald MacLean's Farewell to Oban
Dundee Military Tattoo
My advice is two fold... Certainly pick new tunes to challenge and expand your
capabilities... But when you compete, present a tune that you can play well
and have an obvious affinity for... The corollary is don't present a tune
until you can play it well.
Best 'o Luck
Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( peking...@mao.org )
When faced with a problem you do not understand, do any part of it you do
understand, then look at it again… Robert Heinlein
Shawn Husk
King George the V'ths Army
Captain Norman Orr Ewing
Richard Mao wrote:
>
> Hi...
>
> Look into one from this list... all good marches...
>
> Miss Delicia Chisholm
> The Canadian Scottish (Royal Scots Book)
> The 51st Highland Division at Wadi Akarit (QOH Standard Settings)
> Prince Charles Welcome toLochaber
> Siege of Delhi
> Muir of Ord
> 79th Farewell to Gibraltar
> My Native Highland Home
> Walter Douglas, M.B.E.
>
> Good luck...
>
> Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( peking...@mao.org )
>
> When faced with a problem you do not understand, do any part of it you do
> understand, then look at it again… Robert Heinlein
>
GoIrish598
well played Grade IV tune.
Chris Hamilton
>True, but a judge will give a first to a well played Grade III tune before a
>well played Grade IV tune.
A judge will give first place to the player who played the best.
Zudupiper
>>well played Grade IV tune.
>
>A judge will give first place to the player who played the best.
Hear, hear! And generally you're not going to hear a well-played tune (be it
grade 3 or grade 4) in grade 4 anyway. Maybe the top couple of pipers in the
grade can play it at the equivalent of the next level, though....
Zu
Chris Hamilton
That's generally true, though I'd say the Grade 4 winners (in a
good-sized contest anyway) can be quite good indeed. It's a matter of
playing something manageable, getting a decent sound and tuning on
their pipes, and showing some confidence up there.
Frankly, I think the "grade / tune" stuff is highly over-rated. You
should play a tune you can play well, regardless of grade. So in
Grade 4 your choice of tunes is limited.
I was doing a workshop a couple of weekends ago, and a promising young
player told me he wanted a harder tune, like "Colin Thomson" instead
of his current "Siege of Delhi". I replied that if he could play
Colin Thomson well, he ought not to be in Grade 4 at all!!!
Unfortunately, some judge he played for last year told him that he got
2nd place because he played "Walter Douglas" and the 1st place winner
played a harder tune. So the judge frazzled this young guys mind into
thinking he must play beastly hard tunes ... rubbish.
Hey, even in Open you've got know your individual limitations. I like
the tune Pretty Marion, but I'm not stupid enough to overextend myself
and play it for solos against the Seamus Coynes of the world. I stick
to tunes I can play well and am confident of my ability to execute and
express.
Zudupiper
>good-sized contest anyway) can be quite good indeed.
So there's some overlap between the top of one grade and the next higher one,
then. A judge was telling me last year that some of the top grade 4 pipers are
better than a lot of the grade 3 pipers he's heard.
Does this happen in every grade? Are the people who are winning grade 3 at the
moment better than some of the grade 2 pipers out there? And so on up the
line?
> a promising young
>player told me he wanted a harder tune, like "Colin Thomson" instead
>of his current "Siege of Delhi".
Isn't "Colin Thompson" considered an Open level tune? But then I've heard that
"Siege of Delhi" could also be played up to the higher levels too....
Zu
Chris Hamilton
>Chris wrote:
>>That's generally true, though I'd say the Grade 4 winners (in a
>>good-sized contest anyway) can be quite good indeed.
>
>So there's some overlap between the top of one grade and the next higher one,
>then. A judge was telling me last year that some of the top grade 4 pipers are
>better than a lot of the grade 3 pipers he's heard.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
>Does this happen in every grade? Are the people who are winning grade 3 at the
>moment better than some of the grade 2 pipers out there? And so on up the
>line?
Not necessarily, though often the top of one grade would do well in
the next grade, sometimes even prize level. It varies from individual
to individual and band to band, but generally it's a safe assumption.
>> a promising young
>>player told me he wanted a harder tune, like "Colin Thomson" instead
>>of his current "Siege of Delhi".
>
>Isn't "Colin Thompson" considered an Open level tune? But then I've heard that
>"Siege of Delhi" could also be played up to the higher levels too....
Colin Thomson is a real ball-buster -- all those Roderick Campbell
tunes are.
"Siege" is very nice tune that is often maligned. It's not simple.
One thing that works against it is that without first-class tuning,
it's a dreadful thing. F (ouch) D (ouch) Hi A (ouch) if they're
sharp, as they often are in the lower grades.
On the other hand, perhaps the sharp piercing notes are intentionally
reminiscent of the bayonetting of the mutinous sepoys by the Highland
regiments relieving the city ...
Bill Tubbs
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Chris Hamilton
wrote:
>Can't be worse than hearing Liberton Pipe Band 50 times in one morning ;-))
Always makes me look for Angus Podgorny, in kilt and bright red beard,
to come waddling over the ridge in a Heil Hitler salute ...
Gene Benzing
and played Glengarry's Lament (admittedly about the easiest one there is)
and played it without a hitch. Judges comment was " very, very nicely
played, great job" as I was walking off. The next person played a barely
recognizable Park Piobaireachd #2 (my favorite), fell completely apart in
the 1st variation and won the competition. Don't figure. "A " for effort I
guess. Competition is nothing more that a craps game with bagpipes.
GoIrish598 wrote in message
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Ron Jimison
Monty Python!
APayzant wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: Grade IV 2/4 March
> >From: Tone...@erols.com (Chris Hamilton)
> >Date: Mon, Apr 12, 1999 11:35 AM
> >Message-id: <3713127d...@news.erols.com>
> >
> >On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:08:58 -0700, "Bill Tubbs" <pipe...@tubbs.cc>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Can't be worse than hearing Liberton Pipe Band 50 times in one morning
> >;-))
> >
> >Always makes me look for Angus Podgorny, in kilt and bright red beard,
> >to come waddling over the ridge in a Heil Hitler salute ...
> >
> >Chris
>
> "Angus Podgorny, what DO you mean??"
>
> Chris - thanks for keeping an actually useful thread going here - lots of food
> for thought for the less informed players re tune selection.
>
> Andrew
APayzant
Chris Hamilton
>>Subject: Re: Grade IV 2/4 March
>>From: Tone...@erols.com (Chris Hamilton)
>>Date: Mon, Apr 12, 1999 11:35 AM
>>Message-id: <3713127d...@news.erols.com>
>>
>>On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:08:58 -0700, "Bill Tubbs" <pipe...@tubbs.cc>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Can't be worse than hearing Liberton Pipe Band 50 times in one morning
>>;-))
>>
>>Always makes me look for Angus Podgorny, in kilt and bright red beard,
>>to come waddling over the ridge in a Heil Hitler salute ...
>"Angus Podgorny, what DO you mean??"
>
>Chris - thanks for keeping an actually useful thread going here - lots of food
>for thought for the less informed players re tune selection.
Ron Jimison <rjim...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Angus Podgorny, the only Scotsman to win the Championships at Wimbledon!
>Monty Python!
Hi Andrew!
As Ron says, it was a character in a Monty Python skit. I don't
recall all the details, but aliens were turning Englishment into
Scotsmen so the aliens could win Wimbledon, or something like that. A
guy would be standing there, and suddenly a beam would shine on him,
and he would be transformed into a red-bearded kilt-clad Scotman named
Angus Podgorny. Angus would then march north in a stiff-armed waddle,
with the "Liberton Boys Pipe Band" wailing in the background. Funny
skit - you kind of had to see it ...
Chris Hamilton
disease.
>>>> Englishment <<<<
>>>> Scotman <<<<
More likely I shouldn't post without the first of my five daily cups
o' tea ...
FFS, dude -- slow down and be ackrut. ;-O
APayzant
>Message-id: <3718212...@news.erols.com>
>Hi Andrew!
>
>As Ron says, it was a character in a Monty Python skit. I don't
>recall all the details, but aliens were turning Englishment into
>Scotsmen so the aliens could win Wimbledon, or something like that. A
>guy would be standing there, and suddenly a beam would shine on him,
>and he would be transformed into a red-bearded kilt-clad Scotman named
>Angus Podgorny. Angus would then march north in a stiff-armed waddle,
>with the "Liberton Boys Pipe Band" wailing in the background. Funny
>skit - you kind of had to see it ...
>
>Chris
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>Chris Hamilton -- Tone...@erols.com
>City of Washington Pipe Band
>http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
>
>
>
>
>
Chris,
...and Angus' wife, upon hearing that the order for several million kilts was
not from a person, asked "Angus Podgorny, what DO you mean?", to which Angus
replied, "He was nae sae much a mon, ... as a blancmange!!!"
One of my favorite sketches, by the way.
Cheers,
Andrew