Carradale Bay
Lorne MacDougall
Does anyone know anything about the tune Carradale Bay. I live in
Carradale, West Scotland and it is only a small village with a bay. Does
anyone know the composer or anything?
Also, visit http://www.lorne.i12.com/tpn.
TIA,
Lorne
Chris Hamilton
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know anything about the tune Carradale Bay. I live in
>Carradale, West Scotland and it is only a small village with a bay. Does
>anyone know the composer or anything?
I believe (offhand) the composer was Iain Duncan ... not of Vale of
Atholl fame ... a former piper with Shotts during the John/Tom
MacAllister era.
But I could be wrong ...
Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton -- Tone...@erols.com
City of Washington Pipe Band
http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
lsrapm
Chris Hamilton wrote
>"Lorne MacDougall"
> wrote:
> >Does anyone know anything about the tune Carradale Bay. I live in
> >Carradale, West Scotland and it is only a small village with a bay. Does
> >anyone know the composer or anything?
>
> I believe (offhand) the composer was Iain Duncan ... not of Vale of
> Atholl fame ... a former piper with Shotts during the John/Tom
> MacAllister era.
>
> But I could be wrong ...
>
> Chris
If we are talking about the same Iain Duncan who produced the "Springbank
Distillery - Kintyre Collection of Bagpipe Music" it would make sense for it
to have been written by him. He came from the Campbelltown area, which is
near Carradale. He played for many years with Glasgow Skye Association Pipe
Band from 1971 onwards, part of that time as Pipe Sergeant, but I wasn't
aware he'd ever played with Shotts. "Carradale Bay" is not in his Kintyre
Collection (dated 1994) which is surprising as it is a local tune. This
suggests perhaps that it was written after this date.
Chris Eyre
highlander
though. Wasn't able to sign the guestbook either, but I will definately
visit again soon. Nice job:)
Suzan
Lorne MacDougall wrote in message <1aLg3.9349$dp1.2...@nnrp4.clara.net>...
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know anything about the tune Carradale Bay. I live in
>Carradale, West Scotland and it is only a small village with a bay. Does
>anyone know the composer or anything?
>
Jon Shell
recall. That puts the date of it much before 1994. The music for it? I
haven't any idea but I would bet that someone who knows the tune could
transpose it for you. I know it but I don't have software to send it to
you. Sorry.
--
Jon Shell
gloc...@usit.net
lsrapm <lsr...@NOSPAMceyre.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Chris Hamilton wrote
> >"Lorne MacDougall"
> > wrote:
>
> > >Does anyone know anything about the tune Carradale Bay. I live in
> > >Carradale, West Scotland and it is only a small village with a bay.
Does
> > >anyone know the composer or anything?
> >
Richard Thomas
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>
> Does anyone know anything about the tune Carradale Bay. I live in
> Carradale, West Scotland and it is only a small village with a bay. Does
> anyone know the composer or anything?
One of the best places to find the location of any tune is:
http://www.ceolas.org/tunes/TuneIndex/
Click on "Search the index."
After searching, go back to:
"Bibliography: sources listed in the index "
to find details about the source of the tune.
Result of search for "Carradale Bay":
48295 Carradale Bay
March P 2/4
Muirhead, T., Shotts 3
Hewlett's Collection
Note that the tune is attributed to T. Muirhead, of Shotts, implying that
this is the identity of the composer or arranger.
Then consulting the bibliography for "Hewlett's Collection", we find:
Hewlett's Collection *
Music For The Great Pipe, Pipe Major Peter Hewlett's Collection,
Compiled, Arranged And Published By Pipe Major Peter
Hewlett, 1988; Paterson's Publications, London England.
Hope this helps.
Richard Thomas
(Long Island Ravens Pipes and Drums)
(94 N. Clinton Ave.)
(Bay Shore, NY 11706)
lsrapm
Richard Thomas wrote
> One of the best places to find the location of any tune is:
> http://www.ceolas.org/tunes/TuneIndex/
>
> Click on "Search the index."
>
> After searching, go back to:
> "Bibliography: sources listed in the index "
> to find details about the source of the tune.
>
> Result of search for "Carradale Bay":
>
>
> 48295 Carradale Bay
> March P 2/4
> Muirhead, T., Shotts 3
> Hewlett's Collection
>
> Note that the tune is attributed to T. Muirhead, of Shotts, implying that
> this is the identity of the composer or arranger.
>
> Then consulting the bibliography for "Hewlett's Collection", we find:
>
> Hewlett's Collection *
> Music For The Great Pipe, Pipe Major Peter Hewlett's Collection,
> Compiled, Arranged And Published By Pipe Major Peter
> Hewlett, 1988; Paterson's Publications, London England.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Richard Thomas
> (Long Island Ravens Pipes and Drums)
> (94 N. Clinton Ave.)
> (Bay Shore, NY 11706)
>
Oh well done, Richard!
I didn't think of looking there.
I have the book open in front of me now.
It's a 4 parted 2/4 march - and is indeed composed by T. Muirhead of Shotts.
His full name is Tom Muirhead, a well-known accordian player from Shotts,
and he had died before the tune was published in this collection in 1988.
Chris Eyre
Chris Hamilton
wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:23:25 GMT, "Lorne MacDougall" <lm...@clara.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anyone know anything about the tune Carradale Bay. I live in
>>Carradale, West Scotland and it is only a small village with a bay. Does
>>anyone know the composer or anything?
>
>I believe (offhand) the composer was Iain Duncan ... not of Vale of
>Atholl fame ... a former piper with Shotts during the John/Tom
>MacAllister era.
>
>But I could be wrong ...
I was wrong - wow that's never happened before!
The tune "Carradale Bay" was written by Tom Muirhead, who was I
believe a piper with Shotts in the 60s/70s MacAllister era. He also
wrote something else cool, which I can't think off offhand (this
O'Douls I just drank may have gone to my heid).
P/M Ian P. Duncan, alluded to before, has a good book out called "The
Cullen Bay Collection". It contains such modern classic tunes as
"Cullen Bay", "Mrs. Flora Duncan", "P/S John Barclay", "Going to
Pitlochry", and "Rathven Market", all composed by Ian Duncan.
The foreword says "played with Shotts & Dykehead Caledonia Pipe Band
1966-1975".
lsrapm
Chris Hamilton wrote
> I was wrong - wow that's never happened before!
>
> The tune "Carradale Bay" was written by Tom Muirhead, who was I
> believe a piper with Shotts in the 60s/70s MacAllister era. He also
> wrote something else cool, which I can't think off offhand (this
> O'Douls I just drank may have gone to my heid).
>
> P/M Ian P. Duncan, alluded to before, has a good book out called "The
> Cullen Bay Collection". It contains such modern classic tunes as
> "Cullen Bay", "Mrs. Flora Duncan", "P/S John Barclay", "Going to
> Pitlochry", and "Rathven Market", all composed by Ian Duncan.
>
> The foreword says "played with Shotts & Dykehead Caledonia Pipe Band
> 1966-1975".
eee... there's just too many Ian Duncan's around....
Chris, I'm not familiar with this book, though I know three of the tunes you
mention, (excepting "Going to Pitlochry" and P/S John Barclay).
Do you know when this book was printed?
Chris Eyre
Chris Hamilton
<lsr...@NOSPAMceyre.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Chris Hamilton wrote
>>
>> ...
>> P/M Ian P. Duncan, alluded to before, has a good book out called "The
>> Cullen Bay Collection". It contains such modern classic tunes as
>> "Cullen Bay", "Mrs. Flora Duncan", "P/S John Barclay", "Going to
>> Pitlochry", and "Rathven Market", all composed by Ian Duncan.
>>
>> ...
>eee... there's just too many Ian Duncan's around....
Mind if we call them all Bruce to keep it clear?
>Chris, I'm not familiar with this book, though I know three of the tunes you
>mention, (excepting "Going to Pitlochry" and P/S John Barclay).
>Do you know when this book was printed?
I saw it in Scotland last year for the first time, so I assume it was
new at that time. It says it was printed in Scotland by A&J
Typesetting & Printing, 57 High Street, Lanark, Tel/Fax (01555)
663726. No publication date listed in the book, though.
There's an ad for The Pipe Box on the back page, so I'm sure you could
get it through them. In fact, I think I got mine from Bob Shepherd.
Nice tunes!
Bagpiip
LMAO! But then we'd have to rename all the Bruces "Dave"..
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri traghadh's ri lionadh.
Iain Cameron
wrote:
>The tune "Carradale Bay" was written by Tom Muirhead, who was I
>believe a piper with Shotts in the 60s/70s MacAllister era. He also
>wrote something else cool, which I can't think off offhand (this
>O'Douls I just drank may have gone to my heid).
>
Could it have been Peter Mackenzie Warren ?
Iain Cameron
Chris Hamilton
Yes, he wrote that, but what I was actually thinking of was "Hills of
Alva", a grand 4/4 if there ever was one.
lsrapm
Iain Cameron wrote
> Chris Hamilton wrote:
>
> >The tune "Carradale Bay" was written by Tom Muirhead, who was I
> >believe a piper with Shotts in the 60s/70s MacAllister era. He also
> >wrote something else cool, which I can't think off offhand (this
> >O'Douls I just drank may have gone to my heid).
> >
> Could it have been Peter Mackenzie Warren ?
>
> Iain Cameron
Good one, Iain. You hit it right on the head.
The first 4/4 march I ever played in band competition.
.... by Tom Muirhead.
Chris Eyre
Screecher
lsrapm
Screecher wrote
> what band chris??
>
The Graham Highlanders, later known as the City of Liverpool P/B. Could I
tell a tale or two about that little band...! Like how we lost a bass drum
off the roof-rack on the top of my car on the M6 motorway on the way up to
my first World Championships. (I think it was held in Bathgate that year).
My brother was the Bass Drummer. He'd fastened it on to the roof rack with
bungee cords... silly boy.... (We couldn't afford things like coaches in
those days). At 1am in the morning, travelling at 70mph over Shap in the
Lake District, we heard a sharp crack on the back window and were just in
time to see a large round dark shape sailing away behind us to land in the
middle of the central reservation............
Imagine the scene...... a car reversing slowly down the hard shoulder in the
middle of the mountains in the middle of the night, shining torches all over
the place. Every time a car came into sight, we stopped, turned the torches
out and looked innocent. Finally we spotted it out in the middle of the
motorway. Two hunched shadowy figures shot out into no-man's-land out like
mad ferrets before the next car came into view.......
It had a good case on it, fortunately. One bent tuning pin was the only
damage - and my brother got a special mention on the scoresheet the next day
for his Bass playing......
Chris Eyre
Scott Williams
>
> >The tune "Carradale Bay" was written by Tom Muirhead, who was I
> >believe a piper with Shotts in the 60s/70s MacAllister era. He also
> >wrote something else cool, which I can't think off offhand (this
> >O'Douls I just drank may have gone to my heid).
> >
> Could it have been Peter Mackenzie Warren ?
>
> Iain Cameron
Yes, Peter MacKenzie Warren was composed by Tom Muirhead. The tune is in
4/4 and can be found in The Scottish Pipe Band Association, Book 2, page
76.
Scott.
A
lsrapm
A wrote
> remember that band???? tommy graham??
>
Got it in one.
Screecher
lsrapm
Screecher wrote
> I played for that band....
Oh aye....
How long?
Which years?