Starck vs. Stark

[Jim McGillivray]

Scot Kortegaard wrote:

> Hi group,
>
> Recently there was a post regarding a set of "Starck" pipes. Now, my
> brother plays what he tells me are "Stark" pipes. Is one or the other
> mispelling things here, or are they in fact two seperate makers?
>
> I can tell you from personal experience that his Starks are wonderful
> pipes, played very well, and would stand up to anything I've heard, save
> perhaps a set of vintage Hendersons.
>

I believe the name is 'Starck', Henry Starck. Someone may correct me, but I
believe he was a German or Austrian woodwinds maker -- clarinets or oboes and
such. He also invented the Brien Boru keyed GHB chanter, an idea whose time
may still come.

I had a set of his pipes for a while. If they'd been like Hendersons I would
have kept them. I have a set of 1912 Hendersons, and they weren't quite of
that ilk. They were quieter, but very steady. A bit like old Glens. Having
said that, I've heard a couple other sets that I liked very much as well.

Cheerios,
Jim McGillivray
www.piping.on.ca

[Scot Kortegaard]

Hi group,

Recently there was a post regarding a set of "Starck" pipes. Now, my
brother plays what he tells me are "Stark" pipes. Is one or the other
mispelling things here, or are they in fact two seperate makers?

I can tell you from personal experience that his Starks are wonderful
pipes, played very well, and would stand up to anything I've heard, save
perhaps a set of vintage Hendersons.

On a totally unrelated note, I'd like your opinions, pro or con, on
McCallum B/W pipe chanters. I have a strong opinion, but I'd be interested
in hearing yours.

TIA,
Scot Kortegaard.

[Kris Bawden]

I own a set of 1890's Starcks... which were made by Henry Starck. I do know
that Henry Starck was a German brought to the UK by Willy Ross to work in
his shop making pipes. I have what are thought to be one of the Early sets
of pipes made by Henry Starck, which have a number of different features
from a number of different makers such as mounts like Glens and bells like
MacDougalls. I'm told that Ross had Starck experimented with different
style to find out what worked best. I can say that these pipes are awesome.
I would choose them over Hendersons any day. The sound is sweet but loud.
I've heard of a new maker called Stark but I've never seen or heard an
actual set.

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[kron]

Kris Bawden wrote:

> I own a set of 1890's Starcks... which were made by Henry Starck. I do know

> that Henry Starck was a German brought to the UK by Willy Ross....

Or more commonly known as William Ross, Queen Victoria's Piper (Not to be
confused with P/M Willie Ross, Scots Guards)

[Cotsford]

I understand that Henry Starck was a flute maker of good repute,already in
London and was pressed into building pipes by William Ross, probably because of
his craftsmanship.
Hobgoblin music store in London has a 2 droned set of his pipes (irish war
pipes) for sale for 500GBP i think.
Steve

[Kris Bawden]

I don't know if Ross had him brought from Germany or if he already live in
London.
I was trying to get in touch with the Hobgoblin store in London about those
pipes.. but I havn't had a reply.

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[u38cg]

Every reservation I had over these chanters has vanished. The only difference
between these and other leading chanters is your personal opinion. I think
they are the best solo chanters being produced (with the addenda that I
haven't heard many of the big name American maker's chanters).

As to Star(c)k, I believe there was a London maker of that name in recent
times. Sorry, remember no more details, and don't remember where I got that
from.

Cheers,
Calum

PS. It doesn't surprise me that if he was a maker of classical instruments,
that they would vary as he experimented. Says a lot that a respected musical
instrument maker would make pipes. Can't see it happening nowadays.

[James Oravik]

If I'm not mistaken aren't Nail pipes modeled after Starck? I believe that
the owner of Nail apprenticed under Starck............ Yes they did. I just
went to their website (Nail) and that is what it said. H Starck of London.

Matt.
Jim McGillivray <jim...@aci.on.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
> Scot Kortegaard wrote:
>
> > Hi group,
> >
> > Recently there was a post regarding a set of "Starck" pipes. Now, my
> > brother plays what he tells me are "Stark" pipes. Is one or the other
> > mispelling things here, or are they in fact two seperate makers?
> >
> > I can tell you from personal experience that his Starks are
wonderful
> > pipes, played very well, and would stand up to anything I've heard, save
> > perhaps a set of vintage Hendersons.
> >
>

[ken_m...@my-deja.com]

In article <En_V5.1378
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"Scot Kortegaard" <scot_ko...@telus.net>
wrote:

> This is an interesting subject matter. When I
read this, I went to my archives where I maintain
some of my grandfather's materials - Patrick
Francis Meagher, born 1872 in Fethard, Co.
Tipperary, who later emigrated to New York. I
have a copy of one of his letter's dated April
24, 1957 which refers to Brian Boru bagpipes. He
stated that he had a 10 key Brian Boru chanter
made by Hawkes & Son of London in 1909. This
particular chanter was intended for the Irish
Guards Regiment at the palace in London. In this
letter, he stated that the Brian Boru pipes were
not suitable for military purposes and that the
Irish Guards went back to the 2 drone style Irish
warpipe. My grandfather wrote that Hawkes & Son
merged with another company - Bossey - which
eventually became known as Bossey & Hawkes, but
that they only published music and no longer made
pipes. Later in this letter, my grandfather
mentions another manufacturer - H. Starck as
being located at 12 Kentishtown Road, London,
England. I now quote the letter that Starck
"is the man who produced the Brian Boru replica
of the ancient Irish warpipe captured by the
English invaders in Ireland about the 13th
Century, and which is now in the British Museum
in London."

So, to answer the question, I believe the corect
spelling is Starck.

Also, I have a cousin now playing a set of Silver
and Ivory Starcks with the City of Washington
PB. Coincidence??

Ken Meagher
Monaghan PB
NYC

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Before you buy.

[Kris Bawden]

yea.. but I e-mailed Naill to see if he had any original blueprints and he
said he didn't. I needed some parts and measurements for my pipes. I'd
imagine he learned what worked and what didn't.. so he didn't bother using
diagrames.

"James Oravik" <railr...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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> If I'm not mistaken aren't Nail pipes modeled after Starck? I believe that
> the owner of Nail apprenticed under Starck............ Yes they did. I
just
> went to their website (Nail) and that is what it said. H Starck of London.
>
> Matt.
> Jim McGillivray <jim...@aci.on.ca> wrote in message
> news:3A287973...@aci.on.ca...
> >
> >
> > Scot Kortegaard wrote:
> >

> > > Hi group,
> > >
> > > Recently there was a post regarding a set of "Starck" pipes. Now,
my
> > > brother plays what he tells me are "Stark" pipes. Is one or the other
> > > mispelling things here, or are they in fact two seperate makers?
> > >
> > > I can tell you from personal experience that his Starks are
> wonderful
> > > pipes, played very well, and would stand up to anything I've heard,
save
> > > perhaps a set of vintage Hendersons.
> > >
> >

[Kris Bawden]

Hey, is it possible for you to get pictures of your cousins pipes by chance
? Specifically pictures of the projecting mounts ?

I have Starcks, but no projecting mounts.. and I wanted a pipe maker to
fashion some for me.. but they need something to work off of...

e-mail me at kb_p...@hotmail.com

Cheers.
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[Scot Kortegaard]

Well, I just got off the phone with my brother, and he checked for me.
His pipes are stamped 'Allan G Stark, Edinburgh' on the tuning pin of the
bass drone. I find it interesting that they seem to be an obscure make,
obviously made in Scotland, that not many people have any knowledge of. And
yes, I had him double check, the spelling is in fact as I've listed it here.
Scot Kortegaard.

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[kron]

ken_m...@my-deja.com wrote:

>
> ... He

> stated that he had a 10 key Brian Boru chanter
> made by Hawkes & Son of London in 1909. This
> particular chanter was intended for the Irish
> Guards Regiment at the palace in London. In this
> letter, he stated that the Brian Boru pipes were
> not suitable for military purposes and that the
> Irish Guards went back to the 2 drone style Irish
> warpipe. My grandfather wrote that Hawkes & Son
> merged with another company - Bossey - which
> eventually became known as Bossey & Hawkes, but
> that they only published music and no longer made
> pipes.

I doubt if they ever did. I had a set of Irish two drone pipes in the
shop once. They were cocus, made in 1917. They had a fascinating and
well-documented provenance. The pipe chanter (ordinary Highland) was
stamped Boosey & Co. with a lot of other folderol (address, etc.) at the
bottom of the pipe chanter. The stamping was considerably better quality
than usually seen on a pipe chanter. The pipes were almost certainly
made by Starck, as they were of exceptional quality. I believe that both
Hawkes and Boosey subcontracted from Starck, a common practice then, and
stamped their own marks on the pipe chanters, in this case in a very
unorthodox place. Because H. Starck was also a woodwind making firm,
there would have been a lot of contact between all these companies.

[Kris Bawden]

Hmmm... must be a new maker.

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