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Rojo2G

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Jan 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/24/99
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Does anyone know of a book that tells of the tune origins and perhaps the words
to them, if any?
Thank you, Rojo


James N. Stewart

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Jan 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/24/99
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There is an index you should be able to find through the Ceolas Site (not
the stewart index, but one listed in about the same place) that includes a
lot of information beyond just publication data and some of that maigh be
considered origins. What tune you got in mind?

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Edward Hobson

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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Depends on the tunes you're referring to... There's one book called
"Scottish and Border Battles and Ballads", but most of the tunes there are
from the 1600-1800 period. If you're interested in any tune in particular,
let me know and I'll see what I can come up with...


Zudupiper

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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>Does anyone know of a book that tells of the tune origins and perhaps the
>words

Somebody began a web site on this subject but I don't know how far it got.

As far as I know, there isn't such a book. You have to do your own research.
Regimental histories, tunes books, Cannon, a couple of other sources. The QOH
"Cabar Feidh Collection" has lots of notes on tunes.

If you have a specific chune in mind, maybe I have some info on it, or maybe
somebody else here does...

Zu

Rojo2G

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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One of my piping friends was telling me a little of the history surrounding a
few tunes and it got me curious. I like to learn a lot about what I'm doing and
the origin of tunes is now one of my focuses.
Thank you, Rojo

James N. Stewart

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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You may well find that inquiries about particular tunes would bring results
either here or at rec.music,celtic. Certaily that last such inquiry about
a jig known as "the good wife" finally ended after a raging debate over two
or three weeks. There are a couple of guys in that group who are very
familiar with such questions.


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Zudupiper

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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>One of my piping friends was telling me a little of the history surrounding a
>few tunes and it got me curious. I like to learn a lot about what I'm doing
>and
>the origin of tunes is now one of my focuses.

Yeah! It's cool to know what a particular chune commemorates. 79th's Farewell
to Gibraltar turned 150 years old last year, for example....

A lot of the old standard tunes take their names from obscure conflicts in the
Victorian era. Like Siege of Delhi, which happened during the Indian Mutiny of
1857. 91st at Modder River, Boer War at the turn of the 20th century.

Old tune books have old tunes named after old battles. David Glen's Collection
has tunes from the Crimean War era (each major battle has at least one tune
that commemorates it). You don't hear these any more, and the way that pipe
music was written 100 years ago, there's probably no way to tell what the
composer really intended...everything's written with very little pointing. But
that's a whole other thread.

Historical Zu

tone...@erols.com

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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zudu...@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote:

>> One of my piping friends was telling me a little of the history
>> surrounding a few tunes and it got me curious. I like to learn
>> a lot about what I'm doing and the origin of tunes is now one of
>> my focuses.

> Yeah! It's cool to know what a particular chune commemorates

So, any Aussies out there want to explain what "Rob's Shower Shabang" in
Murray Blair's new book commemorates ... :-)

My personal unusual tune name: I've written a light 2/4 march called "If the
Shoe Fits ..." The name actually has a dual meaning.

(1) In the summer of 1995, I nearly broke my toe, and couldn't wear a shoe on
that foot for 2 or 3 weeks. The Ligonier Games that fall was the 1st time I
was able to "shoe" my left foot - stuffed it into a ghillie brogue with the
help of thick wool hose padding. So, If the Shoe Fits ...

(2) One of my favorite movies is "The Parent Trap" (the original, with Hayley
Mills). There's a seen where Vicky, the evil gold-digging wench that's
hooked Hayley's father (Brian Keith) says "Are you implying that I'm marrying
your father for his money?", and Hayley shouts back, "If the shoe fits, wear
it!" A classic scene from a classic flick.

Anyone else care to share their favs in this category?

Chris
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Chris Hamilton -- tone...@erols.com
http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html
City of Washington Pipe Band

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