Wgent VS Henderson
Brian
O.K.
I am convinced that these Henderson synth drone reeds take more air. WAY
more air. Not only do you have the stocks WAY up on the pins, but I
can't keep the damn bag filled, not to mention that you have to have a
rather weak reed so the drones don't shut off.
Anybody else have this problem, and would Wygents be better?
Or
maybe it's time for a new bag.
Thanks,
Brian
Dan Dunbar
I'm Not sure about the Henderson's, but the Wygents state quite clearly
in the instructions to play them as they are right out of the package
for about 10 to 15 hours. Most people I've known complain they are
'losing air'. With mine, almost exactly at the 12th hour, (yes, I kept
track of the time!) I thought they had shut off while playing with the
band in a circle. They very suddenly, one by one, became VERY easy to
play, were extremely mellow, but with good volume, and I've been
extremely happy since. I've done a little adjustment of the screw, and
had to wrap a bit more waxed string on them to flatten them a bit. But
they were a bitch to blow for that first 12 hours.
Cheers,
-Dan
IMoir
>Dan Dunbar <mm...@ilos.net> wrote:
Maybe Mark Wygent could design and build a machine that could pre-blow all his
reeds in for us......
Better still, I'll design and build one that controls the air pressure,
temperature and humidity to hold......say, 5 sets of reeds, and charge $50 a
pop to blow them in for people.
If each set only takes 8-12 hours to blow in, thats about $500 a day (have to
factor in loading time and preventive maintenance).
I'll be rich!!!!!
On second thought......everyone stop complaining and keep blowing.
Ian
Brian
Dan Dunbar wrote:
>
> I'm Not sure about the Henderson's, but the Wygents state quite clearly
> in the instructions to play them as they are right out of the package
> for about 10 to 15 hours. Most people I've known complain they are
> 'losing air'. With mine, almost exactly at the 12th hour, (yes, I kept
> track of the time!) I thought they had shut off while playing with the
> band in a circle. They very suddenly, one by one, became VERY easy to
> play, were extremely mellow, but with good volume, and I've been
> extremely happy since. I've done a little adjustment of the screw, and
> had to wrap a bit more waxed string on them to flatten them a bit. But
> they were a bitch to blow for that first 12 hours.
>
>
> -Dan
Actually, I've had these Henderson reeds since spring. They took a bit
to get going at first and thought they did settle in a couple of months
ago. Now it seems I can't keep the damn bag filled. Just seasoned it
again and actually saw seasoning come out of a couple of thread holes in
the lower seam of the bag. It's an L&M bag so I figure it could be time
for a new bag since it's going on 2 years old.
Brian
Chris Hamilton
Brian <mick...@earthlink.net> wrote . . .
> . . . Now it seems I can't keep the damn bag filled. Just seasoned it
> again and actually saw seasoning come out of a couple of thread holes in
> the lower seam of the bag. It's an L&M bag so I figure it could be time
> for a new bag since it's going on 2 years old.
Doesn't seem like you should need a new hide bag after just two years! See
if you can get a refund / replacement.
Chris
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Andrew Douglas
Dan Dunbar wrote:
> I'm Not sure about the Henderson's, but the Wygents state quite clearly
> in the instructions to play them as they are right out of the package
> for about 10 to 15 hours.
I got a set, and in my experience the Wygents out of the package shut
off immediately. With all the dire warnings about moving the bridle, I
found that I simply had to move it a millimeter or so just to keep them
from shutting off on me. I did not find that they use more air than the
Shepherds I had been using.
I do like the Wygents... they have a nice tone, but my experience did
not coincide with that of others.
Royce Lerwick
I've got Wygent in the 3'd round. Henderson's got a lot of experience
but I've seen his best and as cleanly as he executes his work in the
ring, I figure Wygent's got the edge on youth and stamina.
Royce
Willie McCallum
There's a new challenger for the title which has already been mentioned on
this newsgroup. Eezedrone. They'll go the distance.
Willie
Kevin Scott
Meaning no disrespect but have you tried Wygent's Sythedrone and
Henderson's two copies of these type of reeds. And as a well known and
respected piper do you have any financial dealings with Pipe Dreams the
makers of Ezeedrone? Your opinion carries great weight and I feel all
the facts should be above board. If I'm out of line let me apologize in
advance.
Respectfully,
Kevin Scott
colin maclellan
Dear Kevin,
I don't think Willie will mind if I speak up. I really think you are out of
line. Willie seems to me to offer good and well meaning advise whenever he
chooses to post something on the newsgroup. I'd suggest that postings such
as yours are one of the main reasons that well-known pipers are somewhat
loathe and apprehensive to offer what is expert (and free) advise to people
on the group. Instantly you have tarred Willie with your inference that he
has something to gain by offering his help, and I think you could do worse
than to offer him an apology! No doubt you will claim that you meant no
harm, but reputations such as Willie's are earned only by countless hours
of hard graft and dedication. He deserves better.
Sincerely,
Colin MacLellan
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Harlan E. Ives
At 08:43 AM 10/9/97 -0700, Kevin Scott wrote:
> Mr McCallum,
> Meaning no disrespect but have you tried Wygent's Sythedrone and
>Henderson's two copies of these type of reeds. And as a well known and
>respected piper do you have any financial dealings with Pipe Dreams the
>makers of Ezeedrone? Your opinion carries great weight and I feel all
>the facts should be above board. If I'm out of line let me apologize in
>advance.
> Respectfully,
>Kevin Scott
Personally, I do not feel that the above question is out of line. I, too,
have tremendous respect for Willie McCallum. But it is fair to ask whether
his endorsement of Ezeedrone is an advertisement or his own personal
selection amongst the many synthetic drone reeds available.
Harlan
Harlan E. Ives <iv...@itsa.ucsf.edu>
Tad Myers
Dan Dunbar wrote:
>
> Brian wrote:
> >
> > O.K.
> > I am convinced that these Henderson synth drone reeds take more air. WAY
> > more air. Not only do you have the stocks WAY up on the pins, but I
> > can't keep the damn bag filled, not to mention that you have to have a
> > rather weak reed so the drones don't shut off.
> > Anybody else have this problem, and would Wygents be better?
> > Or
> > maybe it's time for a new bag.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian
>
> in the instructions to play them as they are right out of the package
> 'losing air'. With mine, almost exactly at the 12th hour, (yes, I kept
> track of the time!) I thought they had shut off while playing with the
> band in a circle. They very suddenly, one by one, became VERY easy to
> play, were extremely mellow, but with good volume, and I've been
> extremely happy since. I've done a little adjustment of the screw, and
> had to wrap a bit more waxed string on them to flatten them a bit. But
> they were a bitch to blow for that first 12 hours.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Dan
I had the same thing happen. I got my Wygents at a camp a year and a
half ago, had to break them in while trying to learn 3 MSR, 3Hp/J and 3
Piob. Not a recommended way to break them in. They were a total pain for
the first 10 hours, then all-o-a-sudden they let loose. I have since
wrapped a hemp bridle around the rubber bridle for added stability but
other than some tweaking here and there i have been very happy with
them. Sweet sound, lo air usage.
I do the set up for my band and have had to fuss over several sets of
Hendersons while waiting for a backorder of Wygents and i have found
that they are not as refined as the Wygents. I have had trouble
adjusting them so that they play with the least amount of air. They tend
to open up suddenly and produce a boomy, harsh sound. They are real
touchy which says to me that there was not a lot of testing or thought
put into the design.
My 0.02$
--
Tad Myers
University of Minnesota IT
Macalester College Pipe Band
JLB219
In article <3.0.16.19971009...@pop3.infinet.net>, colin
maclellan <c...@pop3.infinet.net> writes:
>I don't think Willie will mind if I speak up.
Oh really??? Did Willie tell you that???
> I really think you are out of line.
I don't think Kevin was out of line at all.
>Instantly you have tarred Willie with your inference that he has
something to gain by offering his help,......
Nobody has tarred WIllie. Kevin Scott I think, very humbly and
respectfully asked a legitimate question. Maybe you should jump down off of
your high horse and let Mr. McCallum do his own talking and answer his own
questions, if that is his choice.
>and I think you could do worse than to offer him an apology!
He did Colin, see below.
>> If I'm out of line let me apologize in advance.
>No doubt you will claim that you meant no harm, but reputations such as
Willie's are earned only by countless hours of hard graft and dedication
Give us a break!! This may be true, but your telling us that a simple yes
or no question is going to take away "countless hours of hard graft and
dedication" & instantly take away any hard earned reputations that the man
already has??? I doubt it. If he is as respectful as you say he is, maybe
he said what he did about the reeds as simply his "professional"
recomendation. And if he does profit some from it, who cares??? If he
didn't like them do you think he would say anything at all?? Maybe you
should let go of Mr. McCallums kilt tails and let him do his own talking,
and stop taking it upon yourself to slam others for what they think is a
simple legitimate and harmless question.
Jim Bonnie
Ken Gordon
All right, you guys, take it easy. We should all treat one another as
though we expect the BEST from each other, not the worst.
Ken Gordon
Stan Hamersak
Here, here, Colin.
Mike Grey
colin maclellan <c...@pop3.infinet.net> wrote:
>Dear Kevin,
>
>I don't think Willie will mind if I speak up. I really think you are out of
>line. Willie seems to me to offer good and well meaning advise whenever he
>chooses to post something on the newsgroup. I'd suggest that postings such
>as yours are one of the main reasons that well-known pipers are somewhat
>loathe and apprehensive to offer what is expert (and free) advise to people
>on the group. Instantly you have tarred Willie with your inference that he
>has something to gain by offering his help, and I think you could do worse
>than to offer him an apology! No doubt you will claim that you meant no
>harm, but reputations such as Willie's are earned only by countless hours
John Richardson
Do you know somebody named Royce?
On 9 Oct 1997 23:33:18 GMT, jlb...@aol.com (JLB219) wrote:
>In article <3.0.16.19971009...@pop3.infinet.net>, colin
>maclellan <c...@pop3.infinet.net> writes:
>
>>I don't think Willie will mind if I speak up.
>
>Oh really??? Did Willie tell you that???
>
>> I really think you are out of line.
>
>I don't think Kevin was out of line at all.
>
>>Instantly you have tarred Willie with your inference that he has
>something to gain by offering his help,......
>
>Nobody has tarred WIllie. Kevin Scott I think, very humbly and
>respectfully asked a legitimate question. Maybe you should jump down off of
>your high horse and let Mr. McCallum do his own talking and answer his own
>questions, if that is his choice.
>
>>and I think you could do worse than to offer him an apology!
>
>He did Colin, see below.
>
>>> If I'm out of line let me apologize in advance.
>
>>No doubt you will claim that you meant no harm, but reputations such as
Dan Dunbar
colin maclellan wrote:
>
> Dear Kevin,
>
> I don't think Willie will mind if I speak up. I really think you are out of
> line. Willie seems to me to offer good and well meaning advise whenever he
> chooses to post something on the newsgroup. I'd suggest that postings such
> as yours are one of the main reasons that well-known pipers are somewhat
> loathe and apprehensive to offer what is expert (and free) advise to people
> has something to gain by offering his help, and I think you could do worse
> than to offer him an apology! No doubt you will claim that you meant no
> harm, but reputations such as Willie's are earned only by countless hours
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Colin MacLellan
>
Mr. MacLellan;
I believe that Kevin DID in fact include an apology in his posting "if
he was out of line". Also, is it wrong to question someones motives in a
posting that MAY indicate another interest? I too, would like to know if
he had, indeed, tried the other synthetic reeds. If so, then his
recommendations or advice would be most appreciated. Mr. Jean Cretien is
the Prime Minister of Canada, and I DO question some of his motives from
time to time. ;-)
Slainte,
-Dan
Michael A. Flight
> Dan Dunbar wrote:
>
> I'm Not sure about the Henderson's, but the Wygents state quite clearly
> in the instructions to play them as they are right out of the package
> for about 10 to 15 hours.
I got a set of Wygents and played over the recommended time befote
adjusting. The reeds were flat to my taste (I had to shorten the drones
considerably while tuning) so I started with the adjustments, i.e.
shortening the toung, to make the reed slightly sharper. It worked on the
tennors, but the bass would stop even if I moved the bridle 1/100000mm.
What the heck!...I'd rather have a reliable drone reed and a nice sound
than be able so see the hemp on the bass's tuning slide! Regards,
Mike Flight
mfl...@starnet.net.ar