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have they replaced sheet music with laptops? and jazz no sheet?

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my pet goat

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Aug 20, 2004, 4:16:47 PM8/20/04
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this way, performers don't have to flip the pages during a
performance. they can program the notations on the computer to slowly
scroll down as the music progresses.

how come jazz musicians don't rely on sheet music?

La Donna Mobile

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Aug 20, 2004, 4:21:21 PM8/20/04
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"my pet goat" <hornbear...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't know about musicians but in my Govt. Dept., trying to get laptops
for auditors is akin to blood out of a stone. What a practical person might
see as sensible, and what a bureacracy sees as necessary, do not always
coincide...


Dr.Matt

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Aug 20, 2004, 5:11:46 PM8/20/04
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In article <cg5mhq$n09$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,

Somebody is already trying to sell highly specialized notebooks
for just this purpose, with custom "sheet music" software loaded on it.
Between such considerations as glare, battery life, NOISE!!!!,
video resolution, and fragility, I am still of a mind that this is
pure hype.

But why not go all the way and eliminate the players with computer
music?

Back in 1982, Richard Hoffmann already suggested robotic audiences,
programmed to appreciate "Guuut musik", but he warned that the first
generation might have trouble getting their hands to meet when they
tried to clap.


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Paul Ilechko

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Aug 20, 2004, 6:16:06 PM8/20/04
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my pet goat wrote:

How come you keep asking dumb questions, Gaza you fuckwit ?

Jerry Kohl

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Aug 20, 2004, 8:29:52 PM8/20/04
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Paul Ilechko wrote:

A perfect example of the self-answering question ... ;-)

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Jerry Kohl <jerom...@comcast.net>
"Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal."


Alan Watkins

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Aug 21, 2004, 4:43:38 AM8/21/04
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hornbear...@hotmail.com (my pet goat) wrote in message news:<d19fe2cd.04082...@posting.google.com>...

Firstly, I don't fancy rebooting in the middle of Beethoven 9 or being
told a "fatal exception error" has occurred.

Secondly, jazz (and rock) musicians frequently use Tabs which is just
a different form of the common notation. Others do play from memory,
of course, but rarely if long rests or complex counting is involved.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

Peter H. Granzeau

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Aug 21, 2004, 1:57:01 PM8/21/04
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On 20 Aug 2004 13:16:47 -0700, hornbear...@hotmail.com (my pet
goat) wrote:

>how come jazz musicians don't rely on sheet music?

Basically, jazz musicians are improvising. Depending on what they are
playing and the size of the group, one or more of them may have at
least the melody and chords in front of him--or not.

Michael Haslam

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Aug 21, 2004, 5:58:18 PM8/21/04
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Dr.Matt <fie...@rastan.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Somebody is already trying to sell highly specialized notebooks
> for just this purpose, with custom "sheet music" software loaded on it.
> Between such considerations as glare, battery life, NOISE!!!!,
> video resolution, and fragility, I am still of a mind that this is
> pure hype.

There are some popular entertainers whose band play from LCD screens,
IIRC. Harry Connick Jr. seems to ring a bell in this regard, but I may
well be wrong. The noise of the screens in such a situation would be
minimal compared to the noise of the moving lights, the air
conditioning, the power amps, and the audience, for starters.


>
> But why not go all the way and eliminate the players with computer
> music?

Companies are making real money from this off-Broadway, on US tours and
in London's West End (uniquely, for now, on Les Miserables) where a
collection of pre-programmed samplers are controlled by a "tapper"
playing in time to the conductor's beat. Ask not for whom the bell
tolls, it tolls for thee!


>
> Back in 1982, Richard Hoffmann already suggested robotic audiences,
> programmed to appreciate "Guuut musik", but he warned that the first
> generation might have trouble getting their hands to meet when they
> tried to clap.

Nice.

MJHaslam

Peter T. Daniels

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Aug 21, 2004, 6:17:03 PM8/21/04
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Michael Haslam wrote:
>
> Dr.Matt <fie...@rastan.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Somebody is already trying to sell highly specialized notebooks
> > for just this purpose, with custom "sheet music" software loaded on it.
> > Between such considerations as glare, battery life, NOISE!!!!,
> > video resolution, and fragility, I am still of a mind that this is
> > pure hype.
>
> There are some popular entertainers whose band play from LCD screens,
> IIRC. Harry Connick Jr. seems to ring a bell in this regard, but I may
> well be wrong. The noise of the screens in such a situation would be
> minimal compared to the noise of the moving lights, the air
> conditioning, the power amps, and the audience, for starters.
> >
> > But why not go all the way and eliminate the players with computer
> > music?
>
> Companies are making real money from this off-Broadway, on US tours and
> in London's West End (uniquely, for now, on Les Miserables) where a
> collection of pre-programmed samplers are controlled by a "tapper"
> playing in time to the conductor's beat. Ask not for whom the bell
> tolls, it tolls for thee!

Not in New York, it doesn't. Local 802 won that one.
--
Peter T. Daniels gram...@att.net

Jeffrey Snider

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Aug 21, 2004, 10:39:10 PM8/21/04
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hornbear...@hotmail.com (my pet goat) wrote in message news:<d19fe2cd.04082...@posting.google.com>...

I don't know where you came up with that! Here at the University of
North Texas, with the nation's oldest, largest, and top-rated jazz
program they sure do!

Yes, I know the jokes. "How do you get a guitar player to stop
playing? Put music in front of him."

This is the sort of thing where the technology is available, but is
not yet practical. I doubt that computer screens will become
commonplace anytime soon. "CD Sheet Music" however, is an amazing
product. All the Schubert Lieder on one disk. Or all the Bach Cantatas
on two. Thousands of pieces of music in one rack on my desk. I wonder
how I ever lived without it!

Mike C.

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Aug 22, 2004, 5:41:33 PM8/22/04
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"Alan Watkins" <alanwa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Find me a jazz musician who uses tabs. You really don't know much about
jazz, do you?


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Mike C.
http://mikecrutcher.com
"As much as I love music, I never really thought it was my life. I thought
it was the vehicle I used to express my life" - Herbie Mann


Alan Watkins

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Aug 22, 2004, 7:32:54 PM8/22/04
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snide...@yahoo.com (Jeffrey Snider) wrote in message news:<4239fda.04082...@posting.google.com>...

> hornbear...@hotmail.com (my pet goat) wrote in message news:<d19fe2cd.04082...@posting.google.com>...
> > this way, performers don't have to flip the pages during a
> > performance. they can program the notations on the computer to slowly
> > scroll down as the music progresses.
> >
> > how come jazz musicians don't rely on sheet music?
>
> I don't know where you came up with that! Here at the University of
> North Texas, with the nation's oldest, largest, and top-rated jazz
> program they sure do!
>
> Yes, I know the jokes. "How do you get a guitar player to stop
> playing? Put music in front of him."

Yes, reading is always useful or the ability to do so. Whatever the
genre. I admire the chaps who do not read but I have no idea how they
manage.

Christian Tessier

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Aug 22, 2004, 8:26:09 PM8/22/04
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"Jeffrey Snider" <snide...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I read in the last issue of The Strad that an Aussie composer put his music
on laptops and the musicians have laptops on their music stands instead of
sheet music.

Christian


Lutonomy

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Sep 26, 2004, 5:40:38 AM9/26/04
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"Jeffrey Snider" <snide...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> hornbear...@hotmail.com (my pet goat) wrote in message
> news:<d19fe2cd.04082...@posting.google.com>...
> This is the sort of thing where the technology is available, but is
> not yet practical. I doubt that computer screens will become
> commonplace anytime soon.

Hasn't anyone seen this Freehand thing yet? Been out for a couple years
now.

http://www.freehandsystems.com/

It actually is fairly practical and if you ask me, it will be commonplace in
the near future. Within a decade, tops. Technology just gets cheaper and
cheaper and progresses at an exponential rate, not a steady one.


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Dr.Matt

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Sep 26, 2004, 6:45:15 PM9/26/04
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In article <q8w5d.3281$Qt6....@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,

I been seeing stuff like this since the 1980s at Stanford.

So?

--
Matthew H. Fields http://personal.www.umich.edu/~fields
Music: Splendor in Sound

To be great, do things better and better. Don't wait for talent: no such thing.

Lutonomy

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Sep 26, 2004, 9:10:04 PM9/26/04
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"Dr.Matt" <fie...@umich.edu> wrote in message
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> I been seeing stuff like this since the 1980s at Stanford.
>
> So?
>

It must be cool to be you. But judging from the other posts to the topic,
apparently no one else has.

My point was it *is* becoming mainstream, that's all.

Mark D Lew

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Sep 27, 2004, 5:35:19 AM9/27/04
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In article <MLJ5d.11130$Qv5....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>, Lutonomy
<luto...@cox.net> wrote:

> It must be cool to be you. But judging from the other posts to the topic,
> apparently no one else has.

You must not have read the entire thread. We discussed FreeHand's
system.

mdl

Lutonomy

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Sep 27, 2004, 8:06:22 PM9/27/04
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My apologies...(blushes)


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