sounds like Zoviet France
Vils DiSanto
I would like to nominate the latest Lustmord CD as the best disc of 1994.
"The Place Where the Black Stars Hang" (Soleilmoon) is a brilliant,
slowpaced, evil, mass of deep dark sounds, most of which you could never
imagine would come out of your speakers... Brilliant... Buy it today! 75
minutes of continuous beauty...
WoW
Colin Bois
: 2. I find the post-ZF projects disappointing from any perspective.
: Horizon 222 has a trippy ambient (techno usage) angle but just doesn't
: measure up to other groups in that field. I've only heard one Rapoon
: album (Dream Circle) and was VERY disappointed. Each song was basically
: a tape loop that went nowhere. The samples were good, they just weren't
: well manipulated.
Hmmmm, I like the H222 albums. I didn't buy them but I've found
them to be some of the best material in the ambient dub genre. Not really
my thing but not a disappointed either. It's just an entirely different
style of music and, for what it is, quite good indeed. In fact, on
occasion I will listen to this one at the store.
: 3. I definitely concur with the Hafler Trio trilogy recommendation.
: Intoutof is especially good, although nothing i've heard by H3O comes
: close to the way longer ZF pieces evolve and mutate.
Also, the One Dozen Economical Stories by Peter Greenaway with
musical accompaniment by the Hafler Trio is well worth hunting down. It's
on Sub Rosa.
: 4. Someone recomended Nurse With Wound's "Soliloquy for Lillith: 6 Songs
: for Lilitu" set. I thing someone looking for something akin to ZF would
: be disappointed by this release. It's one of my favourite releases ever,
: but I think it's miles ahead of Zoviet France: whereas ZF takes a whole
: bunch of sounds, processes them and combines them into walls of sound
: texture, Lillith takes just a few sounds and dissects them over and over
I agree that NWW is miles ahead of ZF. However, it is my firm
belief that someone who enjoys ZF will adore Nurse With Wound as well as
some early Current 93.
: 5. I would definitely recommend:
: Alio Die: Under An Unholy Ritual (projekt)
Also- Flight of...(3"cds)
Introspective
: This might be stretching it,but who knows:
: Coil: How To Destroy Angels (world serpent)
Odd you would recomend this and not 6 Songs for Lilith.
This, IMNSHO has Stapletons sound stamped all over it in fact, it has more
of his signature than John's & Peter's.
Falling Back In Fields Of Rape....
colin
J.C. Tabone
WEll I got a letter from Robin Storey the other day(for those that don't
know, he is the ex-member of Zoviet France who is now doing the solo
project Rapoon. Here is what is out by Rapoon:
'Dream Circle' DOVCD244
'Fallen Gods' 7 inch single syntactic 50001
'Raising Earthly Spirits' STCD063
'Vernal Crossing' STCD082
'Fallen Gods' STCD086 (Should be out this month)
There should be at least one more album out on Staalplaat this year and
one very soon on Syntatic(mail order from Austria) it will be in a
limited edition special package.
He is also currently working on a new album with a classically trained
singer called Viki Bain and this should be the next Rapoon release on
Staalplaat.
He also said that the following Zoviet-France songs will be re-released
on CD soon:
Popular Soviet Songs and Youth Music
-on Staalplaat
Flock of Rotations
Assault & Mirage
Misfits, Loony Tunes, & Squalid Criminals
Gesture, Signal, Threat
-on Charrm. UK.
JCT
Laurence Fiddick;x2791
>1. When you say Shouting at the Ground is the greatest recording ever
>i assume that you're referring to the longer tracks (Shamany Influence)
>rather than the shorter 1-2 minute sound vignettes, right? Anyway, I
>would say that "Shadow, Thief of the Sun" beats Shouting hands down.
this is the typical response to shouting at the ground, it would seem -- i.e
shouting at the ground gets ranked as one of their best, often on the strength
og the lengthier pieces. i admit to liking satg, myself, but for the shorter
pieces such as dybbuk and fickle whistle. what i miss in a lot of later zf is
their sense of humor, or playfulness -- i don't quite know what to call it --
that gave them a real otherworldly feel, imho. it's on the shorter tracks here
and can also be found on loh land and misfits, looney tunes and other squalid
criminals. also lacking in later zf is the energy/drive that can be found on
mohnomishe (i'll second the recommendation of this as their best) and a flock
of rotations. oh forgot, collusion scores on both these dimensions too. shadow
seems to be rather popular, but it just bores me.
as for the original question, who else sounds like zf? i'd like to second the
recommendation of cranioclast. sure, h3o, the nocturnal emissions and nww
show some similarity, but cranioclast more than most groups i've heard capture
the extraterrestrial ethnomusicological sound that best characterizes zf imho.
look for the cranioclast cds, iconoclastar I-VI, iconoclastar VII-XII, and
lost in karak/somnii palus (spelling on these?)
JOANISSE,ROBERT PAUL,MR
I don't know what ambient dub albums you've heard that have prompted
you to say this... H222 (esp.3ovSwans) is a terrible example of ambient
dub. I would recommend The Infinite Wheel (ethnic AD), Scorn (stripped-
down industrial AD), Higher Intelligence Agency (intelligent AD),
Automaton (minimal AD), and Material.
> Also, the One Dozen Economical Stories by Peter Greenaway with
>musical accompaniment by the Hafler Trio is well worth hunting down. It's
>on Sub Rosa.
Is this the one with Tibet? Any info on his contribution as well as
overall sound would be _highly_ appreciated.
> I agree that NWW is miles ahead of ZF.
Do you mean in general? I only meant in terms of Lillith, which i
consider Steven Stapleton's meisterwerk, along with side 2 of the
collab album with Tibet, of course. But in terms of overall quality,
I'd say ZF are more consistent. Even when their experimentation
does not "work", they are at least interesting or amusing; whenever
Stapleteces fail, they are terrible and/or unlistenable (witness
A Sucked Orange and Cold respectively). Its also worthy of note
that said masterpiece, Soliloquy for Lillith, bears a striking sonic
resemblance to work by Marcel Duchamp...
>Coil: How To Destroy Angels (world serpent)
>Odd you would recomend this and not 6 Songs for Lilith.
>This, IMNSHO has Stapletons sound stamped all over it in fact, it has more
>of his signature than John's & Peter's.
>
> colin
Does it? I would disagree with this because HTDA does not sound like
most of the NWW stuff I know. Despite this, Stapleton is responsible
for the excellent improvement upon the title track.
rob joanisse
***
onnow: coil "absolute elsewhere"
p.s. talk of Stapleton working with Coil has made me wonder where the
hell "haunted air" is... Anyone in the know?
Chris Yardley
>Are Americans Into Industrial Music?
>
>Are Americans into industrial music? I've been wondering ever since we
Dude, once is enough! You don't need to reply to every post about every
band with a copy of your self-promo. Post it once under your own name,
and stop wasting everybody's time and money! (yes, it costs money to post
this, maybe not for you, but each time you post it thousands of people
pay for the data transfers to send it around the world. You have probably
cost a total of a million dollars with all this obnoxious "spamming"
you've done. Take a chill pill dude. There's nothing wrong with posting
about your band and getting publicity, but this kind of net-abuse just
pisses people off.
--
Chris Yardley cyar...@bigcat.missouri.edu jyar...@nyx.cs.du.edu
Tantric Lobotomy Commission - Video Art Brain Damage
Art meets Technology at the border of Insanity.
Colin Bois
: > Hmmmm, I like the H222 albums. I didn't buy them but I've found
: >them to be some of the best material in the ambient dub genre. lly
: I don't know what ambient dub albums you've heard that have prompted
: you to say this... H222 (esp.3ovSwans) is a terrible example of ambient
: dub. I would recommend The Infinite Wheel (ethnic AD), Scorn (stripped-
: down industrial AD), Higher Intelligence Agency (intelligent AD),
: Automaton (minimal AD), and Material.
When I said this I did so without intending to proclaim myself as
an expert on ambient dub. Quite the contrary. In fact I have but a few
titles that would be considered ambient dub. Of those the only one that I
still pull out and listen to on occasion is the One AD compilation with
Banco De Gaya and Higher Intelligence Agency. Other than this, most of
the ambient I've listened to consists of whatever happens to be popular
when I'm working at Digital Underground.
: > Also, the One Dozen Economical Stories by Peter Greenaway with
: >musical accompaniment by the Hafler Trio is well worth hunting down. It's
: >on Sub Rosa.
: Is this the one with Tibet? Any info on his contribution as well as
: overall sound would be _highly_ appreciated.
This is the same Hafler Trio with David Tibet of Current '9.3'
fame. I don't know what it is he did on the album but he is clearly
credited in the liner notes.
: > I agree that NWW is miles ahead of ZF.
: Do you mean in general? I only meant in terms of Lillith, which i
: consider Steven Stapleton's meisterwerk, along with side 2 of the
: collab album with Tibet, of course. But in terms of overall quality,
: I'd say ZF are more consistent. Even when their experimentation
: does not "work", they are at least interesting or amusing; whenever
: Stapleteces fail, they are terrible and/or unlistenable (witness
: A Sucked Orange and Cold respectively). Its also worthy of note
: that said masterpiece, Soliloquy for Lillith, bears a striking sonic
: resemblance to work by Marcel Duchamp...
You don't find Nurse amusing? A Sucked Orange is a fantasticaly
amusing piece. Btw, the Orb use a sample on their Pomme Fritz cd EP from
ASO. Other favorites of mine (for amusement) include The Ladies Home
Tickler EP and Sylvie and Babs. As for Cold, try listening to Thunder
Perfect Mind at three am with the lights off.
: >Coil: How To Destroy Angels (world serpent)
: >Odd you would recomend this and not 6 Songs for Lilith.
: >This, IMNSHO has Stapletons sound stamped all over it in fact, it has more
: >of his signature than John's & Peter's.
: >
: > colin
: Does it? I would disagree with this because HTDA does not sound like
: most of the NWW stuff I know. Despite this, Stapleton is responsible
: for the excellent improvement upon the title track.
This release has much more in common with NWW stuff than any Coil.
colin