Einsterzende Neubauten - pronounciation? meaning?
Chris Wicks
Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
you pronounce the damn name? ;)
Second, what does it mean?
Thanks!
Chris Wicks
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John E. Murphy
Chris Wicks (cwi...@outskirts.tsa.net) wrote:
: Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
: you pronounce the damn name? ;)
: Second, what does it mean?
: Thanks!
Einstuerzende (eye-n-shtur-tsenduh) Neubauten (noy-b(out)en)
and it means, decaying/falling apart/coming down new buildings
some Germans have told me it makes that much sense in Deutsch too, pretty
weird.
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Jeff Cameron
>Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
>you pronounce the damn name? ;)
INE-SHTIR-TSEN-DUH NOY-BOW-TEN
(ine as in "swine", shtir as in "stir" with sh instead os s)
hope that helps.
>Second, what does it mean?
einsturzende is the adjective form of the verb that is something like
collapse, so its like "collapsing" and neubauten is a compound word
apparently meaning "new buildings", as neu is "new" and bauten is
plural for "building"
anyways, to make a long story short, it means something like
"collapsing new buildings".
again, hope that helps.
Jeff C.
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Chris Wicks <cwi...@outskirts.tsa.net> wrote:
Æ Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
Æ you pronounce the damn name? ;)
Æ Second, what does it mean?
Æ Thanks!
Third, is this in the FAQ? If not, why not?
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Jeff Cameron
pronounce it like this:
INE-SHTIR-TSEN-DEH NOY-BOW-TEN
ine as in "swine," shtir as in "stir" but with sh instead of s
Einsturzende Neubauten means something like
"collapsing new buildings"
hope that helps.
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rorschach (klint finley)
Chris Wicks wrote:
>
> Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
> Thanks!
i don't really know, but i say it "i in stir zend new ba tin" or
something like that..
it translates into "collapsing new buildings"
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: pronounce it like this:
: INE-SHTIR-TSEN-DEH NOY-BOW-TEN
: ine as in "swine," shtir as in "stir" but with sh instead of s
I've heard it (perhaps very wrongly) spoken as:
"INE-shtir-ZHEN-den NEU-bow-ten"
where the ZHEN is like "zen" with a sawblade", and NEU like "new" with a
stuffy nose. <Shrug> Probably wrong... :)
: Einsturzende Neubauten means something like
: "collapsing new buildings"
Yea, but to simply say "collapsing new buildings" is kinda insufficient.
Neubauten was a specific architechural type that America "gave" to the
Germany some time around the 60s, and it sucked. So much so that one such
neubauten, some government office, collapsed. The band name is a reference
to that specific event. Again, I could be wrong, and I'd be rather amused
if I was. :)
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First it's pronounced:
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"Destroy New Buildings"
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: Æ Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL
do
: Æ you pronounce the damn name? ;)
: Æ Second, what does it mean?
: Æ Thanks!
Paul Brousseau
: First it's pronounced:
: Eye-n-ster-zen-day New-bowt-en
: Second It means:
: "Destroy New Buildings"
: Third:
: Make this a FAQ already
Both of these ARE in the RMI FAQ:
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According to the radio-promo release of 'Interim' the name is pronounced:
INE-SHTUR-ZEN-DEH NOY-BOUT-TEN
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(Looks like I was wrong about this one... heh, not like I ever studied
German... )
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"Neubauten" generally refers to buildings built in a particular style,
rather than to any recently constructed buildings. The style in question is
the impersonal concrete-box modernist style. Most housing projects
(especially the huge towers built in the 60's) are perfect examples of
Neubauten.
Einstuerzende Neubauten chose their name when the Berlin
'Kongresshalle' collapsed around 1980. The building is located close to the
Reichstag and was a gift of the US allies to the city of Berlin. The
Kongresshalle is shaped a bit like an oyster, was used for all kinds of
exhibitions and meetings and finally collapsed due to its cheap 60's
concrete/metal construction. A journalist died, a few more were injured and
several cars were smashed. After a rather long public discussion the Berlin
government decided to rebuild the Kongresshalle since it was a symbol for
the friendship between Germany and the US.
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Paul Kuypers
Chris Wicks wrote:
>
> Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
About the collapsing new buildings, that's right. It's refering to the
western society and industrial genre.
Pronounce it something like : ainsjtuurtsende noibauten
ain - like in i'm
sjtuur - uu like in english duration
tsende -
noi - like in noise
bauten - au like in automobile but a bit harder
But if you can't pronounce it just listen to their music because it's
great. Or better, go see them perform.
Regards,
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Posby
Einsturzende Neubauten is best pronounced (no food in mouth please):
eye-nn-shtyur-tsende noy-bow-ten
Roughly translated as collapsing new buildings (kind of a good new wave
band name: The Collapsing New Buildings). To my understanding, new
buildings is somewhat of a catch phrase referring to the reconstruction of
a heavily bombed out post WWII Germany, the "new buildings" being those
built to replace the ruined "altbauten." I'm sure that there were and are
some political, socio-economic and aesthetic considerations behind the
concept of "Neubauten" to Germans, but frankly who cares? Some fun-loving
Deutsche art students formed a band and thought it to be a clever name. I
suppose Germans may well ponder the deeper meanings of such names as X-Ray
Spex or Black Flag...
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Dave Scott
Chris Wicks wrote:
>
> Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
> you pronounce the damn name? ;)
> Second, what does it mean?
> Thanks!
Say it like this:
EIN (rhymes with "nine") - SCHTERTZ - END - AH
NEU (rhymes with "toy") - BOW (like the bow of a ship) - TEN
It means "collapsing new buildings", I think. May be wrong about this
one.
-Dave-
Locke
Paul Brousseau wrote [from the RMI FAQ]:
> Einstuerzende Neubauten chose their name when the Berlin
> 'Kongresshalle' collapsed around 1980. The building is located close to the
> Reichstag and was a gift of the US allies to the city of Berlin.
Hmm, I read somewhere that Einstürzende Neubauten had chosen their name
before the congress hall collapsed and the event kinda validated their
choice.
Now, this could easily be verified if someone knew the exact date when
the hall collapsed. Because we know already when the band chose this
name - just before their first gig on April 1st, 1980.
I don't have an idea where I could get the date for the event without
sitting in a library for many hours scanning through old newpapers.
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In article <5jopfb$3...@catapult.gatech.edu>, gt2...@acmex.gatech.edu says...
>
>Chris Wicks (cwi...@outskirts.tsa.net) wrote:
>: Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
>: you pronounce the damn name? ;)
>: Second, what does it mean?
>: Thanks!
>Einstuerzende (eye-n-shtur-tsenduh) Neubauten (noy-b(out)en)
>
>and it means, decaying/falling apart/coming down new buildings
>some Germans have told me it makes that much sense in Deutsch too, pretty
>weird.
Collapsing New Buildings. Whats so weird about that?
KahlkopfJaeger
On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Chris Wicks wrote:
> Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
> you pronounce the damn name? ;)
> Second, what does it mean?
> Thanks!
Pronounced(according to Anre Unru)
ein-sterz-ende noy a bow ten
eye-n-stirtz-end-e noy(as in toy)-a-bow(as in cow) -ten
Meaning:collapsing new buildings
* the language allows for some interpretations,but its basically the
same.
Diakon
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In article <3360D7...@wavecom.net> "rorschach (klint finley)" <kfi...@wavecom.net> writes:
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>Chris Wicks wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
>> you pronounce the damn name? ;)> Second, what does it mean?
>> Thanks!
>
>something like that..
>
>it translates into "collapsing new buildings"
Whoops! I just posted a wrong pronunciation. I said
"EIN shturt sen deh - NOY bah ten"
and I meant to say
"EIN shturt sen deh - NOY bow ten", with bow rhyming with "cow"
with the u umlauted, of course. ;)
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In article <3360D7...@wavecom.net> "rorschach (klint finley)" <kfi...@wavecom.net> writes:
>
>Chris Wicks wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
>> you pronounce the damn name? ;)> Second, what does it mean?
>> Thanks!
>
>i don't really know, but i say it "i in stir zend new ba tin" or
>something like that..
>
>it translates into "collapsing new buildings"
Here's a pronunciation for english people:
INE shturt sen deh - NOY bah ten
the u in "shturt" is umlauted, meaning you pronounce it with the
lips making a "u" sound, but with the tongue high in the mouth
as if to say "ee"...it comes out like "ew" but is a pure sound,
not a dipthong. Listen to a french person say "duc" and you'll
get it.
That's all the german for today. :)
Posby
I cannot help but wonder that Germans are not sitting about debating the
pronunciation of Lynyrd Skynyrd or Sade at this very moment. Well, for all
its worth, I am throwing my two pfennig in the ring:
eye-nn-shtyur-tsen-duh noy-bow-ten.
Certain regions of Austria and Switzerland would no doubt differ on this
opinion.
And please remove all food particles from thy mouth before blurting this
out in the dining common!
"Collapsing new buildings" sounds about right. It falls into the grand
tradition of the great new wave (neue deutsche welle), to be called
something like the Collapsing New Buildings.
To my further understanding, "new buildings" represent those structures
built in Germany after the massive destruction of WWII. I'm sure that
there exist deeper underlying significances to the concept of "new
buildings" to Germans that non Germans will never fully comprehend
(Excepting that residents of Nagasaki might have a particularly keen
understanding of this idea as well).
It does make for a remarkably memorable and ambiguous band name hatched by
some clever German youths...
Jeremy A Dodd
Chris Wicks <cwi...@outskirts.tsa.net> writes:
>Second, what does it mean?
"no pity for the majority"
-j
Jeff Cameron
Actually, I'm not sure how we would pronounce it, because I take
German in school and thats what someone in Germany would say if they
wanted to talk about the new building that collapsed from the
earthquake or whatever. You know?
But I have heard Americans say it a million different ways, so I guess
the American pronounciation is correct, as far as we are concerned.
der Nils
>Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
>you pronounce the damn name? ;)
>Second, what does it mean?
>Thanks!
>
>Chris Wicks
>cwi...@outskirts.tsa.net
>http://www2.tsa.net/~cwicks
>
This thread is even more amusing than all the KMFDM stuff.
BTW: does anybody know what KMFDM does really stand for? (Please don't
answer, I was just joking...)
der "Ihr versteht alle kein Deutsch"-Nils
Locke
der Nils signed off:
> der "Ihr versteht alle kein Deutsch"-Nils
... aber der Sinn des Wortes "alle" scheint auch Dir verschlossen
geblieben zu sein.
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ufo
Okay - believe a native German and resident linguist on rmi:
The closest English equivalent would be
ine-shtir-tsen-de(r) noy-bow-ten
But notice the following:
shtir like in "stir". The real German pronunciation of the umlauted "u"
however would be if you pronounced an "i" like in "bit" and then round your
lips as if you wanted to pronounce "put" (or the other way round: Pronounce
"put" and move your tongue forward to the "i" position retaining the rounding.
"de" like "er" in British English "father" (no "r" spoken!!!) or "a" in
"annoy"
(phonetic transcription: /'aInStyrtsEndE 'noIbautEn/ - capital E denoting
"schwa" (upside-down "e") like in English "another" )
ufo
KEVIN KELLY
> Collapsing New Buildings. Whats so weird about that?
It's a rather lame name, that is what is 'weird' about it.
Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but I guess that fits nicely with
their M.O.
KEVIN KELLY
Jeremy A Dodd <ubi...@mcl.ucsb.edu> wrote in article
<5js05u$4...@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>...
> Chris Wicks <cwi...@outskirts.tsa.net> writes:
>
> >Second, what does it mean?
>
> "no pity for the majority"
>
> -j
>
I HOPE you are kidding.
niall.
what exactly is lame about neubauten's name? it 'rolls' fine off the
tongue of germans, no doubt.
yours,
niall.
H.V
In article <3360B5...@some.place.in.the.universe>,
Lo...@some.place.in.the.universe says...
>
>Paul Brousseau wrote [from the RMI FAQ]:
>> Einstuerzende Neubauten chose their name when the Berlin
>> 'Kongresshalle' collapsed around 1980. The building is located close to the
>> Reichstag and was a gift of the US allies to the city of Berlin.
>
>Hmm, I read somewhere that Einstürzende Neubauten had chosen their name
>before the congress hall collapsed and the event kinda validated their
>choice.
>
All the english prononciation schemnes can only be approximAtions, because the
-ü- does not exist in english. Ü is pronounced like u in French .
It's very hard for the average english speaker to pronounce, simply because
they 've never heard that sound before.
so it's ahyn-stür-tsenday noy-bow-ten
makes sense ?
H.V
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der Nils
On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:13:48 +0100, Locke
<Lo...@some.place.in.the.universe> wrote:
>... aber der Sinn des Wortes "alle" scheint auch Dir verschlossen
>geblieben zu sein.
Wenn man es ganz genau nimmt, ist das sicher richtig. Ich hätte auch
schreiben können "Ihr versteht fast alle kein Deutsch", das hätte sich
aber ziemlich blöd angehört. Meiner Meinung nach ist die Anzahl der
deutschsprechenden Leser von RMI im Vergleich zu den
nicht-deutschsprechenden Lesern verschwindend gering...
der "Ihr versteht fast alle kein Deutsch ;-)"-Nils
Unknown
In article <Pine.PMDF.3.95.9704251...@cnsvax.albany.edu>,
KahlkopfJaeger <dm3...@cnsvax.albany.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Chris Wicks wrote:
>
>> Hey, I have two Neubauten questions for you all... first, how the HELL do
>> you pronounce the damn name? ;)
>
>
> Pronounced(according to Anre Unru)
> ein-sterz-ende noy a bow ten
>eye-n-stirtz-end-e noy(as in toy)-a-bow(as in cow) -ten
> Meaning:collapsing new buildings
> * the language allows for some interpretations,but its basically the
>same.
> Diakon
This is the literal translation of the name, but is there a deeper meaning
to this name?
A German housemate of mine (Who is really into architecture) said that
'Newbauten' is a 'new' style of 'building' that started in war-torn
Germany during or after WW II; usually large, tall, white sterile
buildings that were quick, cheap and easy to build. This architecture
directly contradicts much of the classic and cultured centuries-old
buildings that saturate the European countryside. 'Bringing down new
buildings' is sort of a deconstuctionist-against-contemporary fasicism and
a return to our-real-culture.
This is something Americans have a hard time relating to, since we're new
to this culture thing at all and most of the buildings (at least here in
California) are less than 150 years old. I think "Tearing-Down Strip Malls
and Tract Housing" might be a better translation.
Maybe he didn't know what he's talking about, and maybe I'm reading too
deep, but it sure sounds like a beautiful concept.
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Stefan Lasiewski wrote:
> Maybe he didn't know what he's talking about, and maybe I'm reading too
> deep, but it sure sounds like a beautiful concept.
Indeed, this was EN's reason for choosing the name.
Don't the EN homepages cover this stuff? Seems like about the only
EN-related posts on r.m.i are "How do you say it?" "What does it
mean?" and "What's with the stick-man?"
Oh, and my German-speaking friends always pronounced the first word
closer to: ein-shtoortz-ende
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Does anyone out there know what Dominic Van Reich has been up to for
the last year or two? Is yelworC still a functioning band or is it
only AmGod now?
I mean, I picked up a German goth sampler (The Sounds of New Hope)
recently that had a new amgod song on it, but that's the first thing
I've heard from them in quite some time.
And even if ya don't know, is there at least a website (in English
presumably) I could check out to find out for myself?
thanx in advance
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James Cooney
>Does anyone out there know what Dominic Van Reich has been up to for
>the last year or two? Is yelworC still a functioning band or is it
>only AmGod now?
>I mean, I picked up a German goth sampler (The Sounds of New Hope)
>recently that had a new amgod song on it, but that's the first thing
>I've heard from them in quite some time.
>And even if ya don't know, is there at least a website (in English
>presumably) I could check out to find out for myself?
So many different rumors about this subject... Celtic Circle says that both
bands are still functioning, although yelworC is now just Peter. Either way,
no new releases are planned from either groups any time soon.
The yelworC website (that answers one of your questions, I forget the URL
though, but it is on Yahoo!) says that the yelworC release that was set aside
by Discordia for Trinity is not a yelworC release at all, but a singles
collection of some sort with other groups (maybe like the O files comps? who
knows?). I believe that sight has also stated that yelworC is completely
defunct.
However, Dominik has had a number of exclusive tracks or remixes on
compilations (like his remix of the incredible yelworC Data Control in 1994 i
think it was on DIon Fortune IV). I'm still crossing my fingers that we see a
new AmGod release.
In other news, I am thinking about setting up an AmGod homepage, and if I can
get more info, ANYTHING (Interviews, reviews, articles, pictures, ANYTHING!) I
will, but I currently have no new information, so I don't see much of a
purpose.
Thanks.
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The Lord Leto II
No, this is the same problem as with the name "smashing pumpkins" --
the participle is merely meant as an adjective, not a verb.
it means "New Buildings (that are) Collapsing".
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In article <jcooney.41...@locke.ccil.org>, jco...@locke.ccil.org
(James Cooney) wrote:
> The yelworC website (that answers one of your questions, I forget the URL
> though, but it is on Yahoo!) says that the yelworC release that was
set aside
> by Discordia for Trinity is not a yelworC release at all, but a singles
> collection of some sort with other groups (maybe like the O files
comps? who
> knows?).
Also a bit of a problem, Discordia now no longer exists...
-ned
James Cooney
>Also a bit of a problem, Discordia now no longer exists...
Jeezus, when did this happeen? The last Culture Shock transmission still had
them fully active.. although this does explain why VNV Nation is now on
Cyber-Tec...
np: heavy water factory: victim (naive mix)
Stefani
In article <jcooney.42...@locke.ccil.org>, jco...@locke.ccil.org
(James Cooney) wrote:
> In article <ned-120597...@heretic.msn.fullfeed.com>
n...@fullfeed.com (professor ned) writes:
>
> >Also a bit of a problem, Discordia now no longer exists...
>
> Jeezus, when did this happeen? The last Culture Shock transmission still had
> them fully active.. although this does explain why VNV Nation is now on
> Cyber-Tec...
OK, well, I found out this news first from Ronan Harris (VNV Nation). The
label just recently filed for bankruptcy.
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Marcus Malden
> This is the literal translation of the name, but is there a deeper
meaning
> to this name?
>
> A German housemate of mine (Who is really into architecture) said that
> 'Newbauten' is a 'new' style of 'building' that started in war-torn
> Germany during or after WW II; usually large, tall, white sterile
> buildings that were quick, cheap and easy to build. This architecture
> directly contradicts much of the classic and cultured centuries-old
> buildings that saturate the European countryside. 'Bringing down new
> buildings' is sort of a deconstuctionist-against-contemporary fasicism
and
> a return to our-real-culture.
>
> This is something Americans have a hard time relating to, since we're new
> to this culture thing at all and most of the buildings (at least here in
> California) are less than 150 years old. I think "Tearing-Down Strip
Malls
> and Tract Housing" might be a better translation.
>
> Maybe he didn't know what he's talking about, and maybe I'm reading too
> deep, but it sure sounds like a beautiful concept.
>
You're right. Additionally, without any philosophical background, that
name can also simply be applied to careless build ghetto housings,
that are typical for germany's style in the late 50's /early 60's. The
social program of Germany at that time produced "satelite" towns
that are today a center of crime. Usually these houses are as your
housemate has said, cheap build and often looked very damaged in the
80's. Maybe the band's name is just for fun...