Venetian Snares.
J. Wood
J
JT
<3AF688AC...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net>:
> ...on Hymen. Believe it. I'm happy.
What are they like?
--
"I think all Mexican beer is good with limes. They put limes in
everything down there, you'd think they grew on trees or something"
http://www.mp3.com/1148pm
adam j. kuhn
>...on Hymen. Believe it. I'm happy.
sweet! just like your ass, bitch.
adam j. kuhn
np: einstuerzende neubauten - 3 thoughts
--jesus was my co-pilot, but we crashed
-----in the andes and i had to eat him.
J. Wood
> "J. Wood" <con...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net> wrote in
> <3AF688AC...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net>:
>
> > ...on Hymen. Believe it. I'm happy.
>
> What are they like?
Crazy, crazy IDM/breaks-core. Fucking berserk stuff.
J
e n -
JT wrote:
>
>> "J. Wood" <con...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net> wrote in
>> <3AF688AC...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net>:
>>
>> > ...on Hymen. Believe it. I'm happy.
>>
>> What are they like?
the review from the other music mailing list
Aaron Funk is a 20-year old from Winnipeg who has recorded no
fewer than 12 EPs in the past 18 months. There is not a dud
amongst them. Try throwing on his "Greg Hates Car Culture" EP
(History of the Future) and you'll see why new electronic hardcore
is really the new punk. Alec Empire and his DHR acolytes gave it a
stab, but their shouted faux left-wing vocals and lack of sonic
diversity led to the defection of many artists from the label.
Venetian Snares wants to deliver a mighty blow to the complacent
by making extremely loud percussive tracks with occasional vocal
samples and breakbeats almost too fast for human consumption. In
this still nascent movement, his music is so clearly years ahead
of his peers. Rapidly following up his punishing "Making Orange
Things" album with Speedranch, "Songs About My Cats" is only
slightly more calm. If you're fearing endless "meow" samples and
distorted kick drums, I can assure you you'll find none of that
here. Instead, 'Chinaski' sounds like a drum program run across a
rusty cheese grater, and 'Pouncelciot' starts at 180 BPM and only
gets faster. Venetian Snares is an artist to be watched. [TH]
HTH
np: duke ellington - ellington indigos
Don Muerte
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> "J. Wood" <con...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net> wrote:
>
> >...on Hymen. Believe it. I'm happy.
I just heard some of this Venetian Snares stuff on KXLU (Loyola Marymount)
late last night along with some interesting tracks by Gridlock and a few
others. What I head was really damn good. I'm looking forward to finding
this in the stores sometime soon.
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NEProdukt
releases that ARENT on hymen (i do love the stuff on hymen as well the records
are just a bit more harsh) and also check out the Ambush label w/DJ Scud and
I-sound and Aphasic etc...
_Lana
@
No melodies. It's always same method of writing.
Musicians need to start studying music, instead of
getting the fastest computer on the market.
"e n - " <jy...@pantheon.yale.edu> wrote in message
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tapeworm
wrote:
>This shit gets old after a while.
>No melodies. It's always same method of writing.
>Musicians need to start studying music, instead of
>getting the fastest computer on the market.
Thing is, a lot of these guys don't consider themselves "musicians"..
at least not in the proper sense.
- tapeworm
np: Atari Teenage Riot "60 Second Wipeout"
"dream on, you swedish qjeen. 5 minutes on the mixer and thee doktor will
have those paintfaces screaming louder than your mom was last night."
- doktor industrial on goths at clubs.
Marian Try Slaughter
>This shit gets old after a while.
>No melodies. It's always same method of writing.
>Musicians need to start studying music, instead of
>getting the fastest computer on the market.
Don't know much about music, do you?
np: the beatles - abbey road
If I had enough ink, I could write music like that.
Simon - mhm27x5
Grumpy Smurf
>
> This shit gets old after a while.
> No melodies. It's always same method of writing.
> Musicians need to start studying music, instead of
> getting the fastest computer on the market.
Damn topsmurfer.
--
big grumpy smurf.
J. Wood
> On Thu, 10 May 2001 18:42:00 -0400, "@" <nivek_kr...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This shit gets old after a while.
> >No melodies. It's always same method of writing.
> >Musicians need to start studying music, instead of
> >getting the fastest computer on the market.
>
> Thing is, a lot of these guys don't consider themselves "musicians"..
> at least not in the proper sense.
I know I don't.
J
J. Wood
> This shit gets old after a while.
> No melodies. It's always same method of writing.
> Musicians need to start studying music, instead of
> getting the fastest computer on the market.
>
That shit gets old after a while.
No experimentalism. It's always same method of writing.
Technicians need to start studying artistic integrity, instead of
getting the most wanking guitar on the market.
J
e n -
who are you talking about? if you want to get into a debate on whether
or not there is creative music being made outside the postindustrial
moniker, or that includes guitars i'd be quite happy to get into it
and i'm sure there are those here with wider msucial horizons than i
who could make the same arguments as well.
jeez. this place gets to me sometimes.
np: radiohead - the bends
Dayv!
I don't think J is trying to say that all guitar music is bad so much
as he was simply reversing the previous poster's one-sided and unsupported
argument. It kinda fell apart when he substitued "wanking guitar" for
"fastest computer," though...
np: Forma Tadre- Automate
--
-Dayv!
"Sinful creeps mangle my packets."
e n -
<laughingLOOK-M...@yourpain.com> wrote:
alrighty. understood. yeah the wanking guitar part...
cause the previous poster's argument...
np: neurosis - pain of mind
JT
I'm a big bag of suck!
--
"Well it was all cool until you started glorifying drugs, now I
kinda wanna shit in your mouth."
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@
Let's see, tell writers to stop learning music and
buy 100 distortion pedals and sampler.
Yea, you people really know about music.
Go to school, learn some theory.
"Dayv!" <laughingLOOK-M...@yourpain.com> wrote in message > > who
e n -
wrote:
>Let's overdrive every songs!!!!
>Let's see, tell writers to stop learning music and
>buy 100 distortion pedals and sampler.
>Yea, you people really know about music.
>Go to school, learn some theory.
who are you?
theory can only get you so far. talent is far more impt. and
well...look at who you're posting in reply to? not exactly a
distortion fiend.
actually i'd killfile you if i could, you've not posted a single thing
thta hasn't been simplistic at best and moronic at worst. damn.
np: jeff greinke - cities in fog (yeah totally overdriven distortion
on this end)
NEProdukt
>> No melodies. It's always same method of writing.
>> Musicians need to start studying music, instead of
>> getting the fastest computer on the market.
>>
"music" per say, i happen to be a big venetian snares fan, i like it, i dont
care if its not the most intelligent music its someone creating something and
no one really has any right to say "your doing it wrong"
_Lana
JT
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> actually i'd killfile you if i could, you've not posted a single thing
> thta hasn't been simplistic at best and moronic at worst. damn.
Get Xnews. :P
e n -
>jy...@pantheon.yale.edu (e n - ) wrote in
>news:3aff28e3...@news.cis.dfn.de:
>
>> actually i'd killfile you if i could, you've not posted a single thing
>> thta hasn't been simplistic at best and moronic at worst. damn.
>
>Get Xnews. :P
>
>==>xnews.3dnews.net
can i delete threads? and how does that thread?
right now my patience is pretty good. i manually killfile.
np: foetus in excelsis corruptus - male
(all this talk about teh new album on the chingada list looks
promising and i'm resisting download)
JT
@news.cis.dfn.de:
> On Mon, 14 May 2001 04:43:08 GMT, po...@message.invalid (JT) wrote:
>
>>jy...@pantheon.yale.edu (e n - ) wrote in
>>news:3aff28e3...@news.cis.dfn.de:
>>
>>> actually i'd killfile you if i could, you've not posted a single thing
>>> thta hasn't been simplistic at best and moronic at worst. damn.
>>
>>Get Xnews. :P
>>
>>==>xnews.3dnews.net
>
> can i delete threads? and how does that thread?
>
> right now my patience is pretty good. i manually killfile.
The delete is sorta quirky, but yes, you can delete threads.
It threads... by thread. ??
You can set it to start a new topic on change of subject if you want.
J. Wood
> Let's overdrive every songs!!!!
> Let's see, tell writers to stop learning music and
> buy 100 distortion pedals and sampler.
> Yea, you people really know about music.
> Go to school, learn some theory.
>
If you don't like experimentalist music then why the hell are you posting here?
To further some pathetic sense of superiority for the fact that you only listen
to conformist rules-based music?
J
Cyberina Flux
>::On Sun, 13 May 2001 20:30:39 -0400, "@" <nivek_kr...@yahoo.com>
>::wrote:
>::
>::>Let's overdrive every songs!!!!
>::>Let's see, tell writers to stop learning music and
>::>buy 100 distortion pedals and sampler.
>::>Yea, you people really know about music.
>::>Go to school, learn some theory.
>::
>::who are you?
>::
>::theory can only get you so far. talent is far more impt. and
>::well...look at who you're posting in reply to? not exactly a
>::distortion fiend.
I've always been of the opinion that there are main approaches to
writing music.
One approach is from the heart.. Usually done entirely by ear, and
just turning knobs (or whatever) until it sounds "right".
The other approach is playing from the mind.. Usually someone who
follows popular method of "how things should be done". People who
only subscribe to this method often go by prescriptions for chord
progression, beat sequences, time signatures, and keys for whatever
genres they are writing in.
I'm personally of the opinion that the best musicians write via a
combination of both methods.. They know their music theory and all of
the proper lingo, and use whatever bits of it are appropriate at the
moment, but largely they write by ear and by what they feel is right
for the piece. Although there ARE exceptions to that, as always.
np - Chris & Cosey - October Love Song
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e n -
wrote:
>e n - said something like:
>
>>::On Sun, 13 May 2001 20:30:39 -0400, "@" <nivek_kr...@yahoo.com>
>>::wrote:
>>::
>>::>Let's overdrive every songs!!!!
>>::>Let's see, tell writers to stop learning music and
>>::>buy 100 distortion pedals and sampler.
>>::>Yea, you people really know about music.
>>::>Go to school, learn some theory.
>>::
>>::who are you?
>>::
>>::theory can only get you so far. talent is far more impt. and
>>::well...look at who you're posting in reply to? not exactly a
>>::distortion fiend.
>
>I've always been of the opinion that there are main approaches to
>writing music.
snip
>I'm personally of the opinion that the best musicians write via a
>combination of both methods.. They know their music theory and all of
>the proper lingo, and use whatever bits of it are appropriate at the
>moment, but largely they write by ear and by what they feel is right
>for the piece. Although there ARE exceptions to that, as always.
that was whta i was trying to say. or rather what i think as well. but
i was too lazy to express it as detailedly. odds are he won't listen
anyway and if i switch to x-news my killfile will come into effect.
which is saying a lot.
btw - i like your sig
np: duke ellington - eliington indigos
Cyberina Flux
>::On Mon, 14 May 2001 10:58:36 GMT, Cyberina Flux <cybe...@abbadon.com>
>::wrote:
>::
>::>e n - said something like:
>::>
>::>>::On Sun, 13 May 2001 20:30:39 -0400, "@" <nivek_kr...@yahoo.com>
>::>>::wrote:
>::>>::
>::>>::>Let's overdrive every songs!!!!
>::>>::>Let's see, tell writers to stop learning music and
>::>>::>buy 100 distortion pedals and sampler.
>::>>::>Yea, you people really know about music.
>::>>::>Go to school, learn some theory.
<snip>
>::>I'm personally of the opinion that the best musicians write via a
>::>combination of both methods.. They know their music theory and all of
>::>the proper lingo, and use whatever bits of it are appropriate at the
>::>moment, but largely they write by ear and by what they feel is right
>::>for the piece. Although there ARE exceptions to that, as always.
>::
>::that was whta i was trying to say. or rather what i think as well. but
>::i was too lazy to express it as detailedly. odds are he won't listen
>::anyway and if i switch to x-news my killfile will come into effect.
>::which is saying a lot.
It almost looks like you were of the opinion that anything with lots
of distortion and samples was written brainlessly, which is why people
got antsy.
Incidentally, I think a significant amount of the more experimental
and obscure sounding Industrial music was written with a different
kind of intelligence.. Nothing based upon standard music theory, which
is geared towards making music pleasing to the western ear.. But
rather it is music written with the specific goal of inducing a
particular emotional response.
>::
>::btw - i like your sig
Thanks.. It changes.. Random thing.
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"Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot."
e n -
wrote:
umm...looks like i snipped what i wrote actually. the original poster
wrote that little verse form. i called him an idiot ad also pointed
out the fact that those who were critisizing him for his
oversimplification were people that weren't big on distortion already
anyways and still disagreed with him
sorry bad snippage there.>
>Incidentally, I think a significant amount of the more experimental
>and obscure sounding Industrial music was written with a different
>kind of intelligence.. Nothing based upon standard music theory, which
>is geared towards making music pleasing to the western ear.. But
>rather it is music written with the specific goal of inducing a
>particular emotional response.
mmm...i also think that theory can be learned on one's own to a
certain extent. listen to enouhg music carefully and you start to pick
things up. i know i did and i know a lot of musicians who have as
well. functional things more than other stuff but it isn't that
difficult even without formal training.
course i dunno how you're defining industrial either. i get the sense
that it is different than me.
np: aube - 108
@
Do you think Escher's philosopy is random?
It's so tightly structured.
I love artists like Coil, En, PTV, nurse with wounds, etc.
These people least learned how to play some instruments.
All these new comers are people with the right toys.
As electronic artist, who have been composing for 15 years,
I know a bull shit artist, when I hear one.
"J. Wood" <con...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net> wrote in message
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@
Ask them about scales. They will be totally clueless.
I have respect for Kevin Key, Coil, PTV, EN, John Cage, etc.
These people are musicicans who combined and went beyond
western scales. These are artists. Not some kids with Sound Forge
and plugins. I am not stating you have to stay in the region of limits.
In order to go beyond the region of limits in music, you have to study it.
I just hate bull shit artist, who claims to be an artists.
That's all the statement I was making.
If you they are taking the music as punk rock attitude,
more power to them. Just don't call it art or experiemental.
I hate my water to be tainted.
"Cyberina Flux" <cybe...@abbadon.com> wrote in message > >::theory can only
@
> who are you?
> theory can only get you so far. talent is far more impt. and
> well...look at who you're posting in reply to? not exactly a
> distortion fiend.
Exactly. You have to know the fundamental to go beyond it,
We can't listen to every kids with audio editor. If you want to learn
how to make that type of music, e-mail off-list. I will send you a detail
software to acquire and method beyond it.
> actually i'd killfile you if i could, you've not posted a single thing
> thta hasn't been simplistic at best and moronic at worst. damn.
Really, I am killfiling you now.
You have no taste.
I hate people only follow trends and not fully understand the
meaning beyond it.
Locke
|These people least learned how to play some instruments.
Whatever ... it would really help to get your point across if YOU
would learn how to play the instrument you use right now, that means
usenet. It would be great if you could exemplify your lesson by
learning to edit your quotes and not to top post.
Thank you,
Locke
NP: Coil "How to Destroy Angels"
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Cyberina Flux
>::sorry bad snippage there.>
Sorry.. Didn't mean to get folks confused..
>::
>::>Incidentally, I think a significant amount of the more experimental
>::>and obscure sounding Industrial music was written with a different
>::>kind of intelligence.. Nothing based upon standard music theory, which
>::>is geared towards making music pleasing to the western ear.. But
>::>rather it is music written with the specific goal of inducing a
>::>particular emotional response.
>::
>::mmm...i also think that theory can be learned on one's own to a
>::certain extent. listen to enouhg music carefully and you start to pick
>::things up. i know i did and i know a lot of musicians who have as
>::well. functional things more than other stuff but it isn't that
>::difficult even without formal training.
I agree to you in many respects.. Its like driving.. Some people
didn't pay a drop of attention before they got behind the wheel, and
had to be shown even how to go in a straight line. Others took it up
quite naturally. Although its rare and quite remarkable for someone
who literally taught themselves EVERYTHING, and is still considered
talented and knowledgable.
>::course i dunno how you're defining industrial either. i get the sense
>::that it is different than me.
Okay.. Bands that I was referring to when I said they probably didn't
go on music theory much, if at all, but are still intelligently
composed industrial (or have cross-over appeal to Industrial as the
case or opinion may be) geared to invoke an idea or an emotion:
Merzbow
Schloss Tegal (who's touring soon!)
Some Chris & Cosey tracks
Some Psychic TV tracks
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Dayv!
> @ scribbled:
> |These people least learned how to play some instruments.
>
> Whatever ... it would really help to get your point across if YOU
> would learn how to play the instrument you use right now, that means
> usenet. It would be great if you could exemplify your lesson by
> learning to edit your quotes and not to top post.
Some skills in the language you post in would be nice as well...
Unless "@" is not native to the language, (s)he has no excuse for such
shoddy communication technique.
np: Orbital- The Altogether
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Don Muerte
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> @ scribbled:
> |These people least learned how to play some instruments.
>
> Whatever ... it would really help to get your point across if YOU
> would learn how to play the instrument you use right now, that means
> usenet. It would be great if you could exemplify your lesson by
> learning to edit your quotes and not to top post.
This is a really stupid rebuttal Locke. I wish you hadn't wasted your time
typing a message like this.
np: Hot Snakes - Let It Come
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Dayv!
>
> This is a really stupid rebuttal Locke. I wish you hadn't wasted your time
> typing a message like this.
You should have put a comma after "rebuttal."
np: Angels of Light- How I Loved You
JT
> I'm personally of the opinion that the best musicians write via a
> combination of both methods.. They know their music theory and all of
> the proper lingo, and use whatever bits of it are appropriate at the
> moment, but largely they write by ear and by what they feel is right
> for the piece. Although there ARE exceptions to that, as always.
I just bang something out, think "this sucks!" and post it to mp3.com
regardless.
JT
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> Cyberina Flux <cybe...@abbadon.com> wrote in
> news:c7j=Or5=B6as35X7g1...@4ax.com:
>
>> I'm personally of the opinion that the best musicians write via a
>> combination of both methods.. They know their music theory and all of
>> the proper lingo, and use whatever bits of it are appropriate at the
>> moment, but largely they write by ear and by what they feel is right
>> for the piece. Although there ARE exceptions to that, as always.
>
> I just bang something out, think "this sucks!" and post it to mp3.com
> regardless.
Wow, kinda like my RMI posting skilz. I think I'm becoming more like Brett.
Scary thought.
np- Schlammpeitziger: Augenwischwaldmoppgeflöte
J. Wood
> Really, I am killfiling you now.
> You have no taste.
> I hate people only follow trends and not fully understand the
> meaning beyond it.
en- is about the least trend-sensitive person on this newsgroup...but you
wouldn't know that, of course, since you've already demonstrated your
spectacular talent at leaping to silly conclusions without being in
possession of the facts.
Again, if you don't like experimentalist composition, why the hell are you
here? I honestly can't think of a genre less reliant on traditional musical
rules as this one other than Japanese noise.
J
e n -
<con...@DIESPAMDIEtelusplanet.net> wrote:
>"@" wrote:
>
>> Really, I am killfiling you now.
>> You have no taste.
>> I hate people only follow trends and not fully understand the
>> meaning beyond it.
>
>en- is about the least trend-sensitive person on this newsgroup...but you
>wouldn't know that, of course, since you've already demonstrated your
>spectacular talent at leaping to silly conclusions without being in
>possession of the facts.
hey thanks :)
i feel honored. i'm not being sarcastic either.
>Again, if you don't like experimentalist composition, why the hell are you
>here? I honestly can't think of a genre less reliant on traditional musical
>rules as this one other than Japanese noise.
hmm...actually some japanese noise seems very much based in theory,
albeit a sort of using it in ways that it's not necessarily
traditionally used. at the very least aube's 108 when you map out the
frequencies actually draw pictures. or so my music major friend tells
me. then again there's masonna. though i'm convinced that somewhere in
the madness that can be merzbow is a method to the mayhem. i just
haven't figured it out yet. but yeah i think that as a genre, this is
oine of the few to be marked by a non-reliance on traditional methods
of composition. it's no coincidence that industrial's contemporary was
punk. just that punk happened to use traditional instrumentation. but
in some ways the aesthetic, or goal was similar.
np: some random neurosis song. which i'm also too lazy to type out.
R. C.
> There are random and structured events.
> Do you think Escher's philosopy is random?
> It's so tightly structured.
Escher and Pollock are my two favorite visual artists, fancy that. It's called
eclecticism.
Nigel
>
> If you don't like experimentalist music then why the hell are you posting here?
> To further some pathetic sense of superiority for the fact that you only listen
> to conformist rules-based music?
>
> J
I happen to believe that those rabid lovers of "experimental" music that
constantly shit on anything slightly accessible tend to be poseurs who need "to
further some pathetic sense of superiority." Really, are you just too high in
your ivory tower to appreciate anything at face value?
And really, how can half the shit you putzes constantly rave about here be hailed
as "experimental?" Although it may be a novel idea the first time, there's
nothing "experimental" about the sounds of Godzilla repetitively stomping on
Tokyo.
Oh, and keeping with the subject line -- I actually like Venetian Snares and
anybody who appreciates their sound should get off their heinie, brush off those
crumbs, and run to your nearest record store to pick up the DJ Scud/Rich Kid (aka
Panacea) 12" collaboration out on Ambush. Probably some of the best material I've
heard from good ol' Scud since Scud and Nomex's amazing track "Total Destruction"
off of the Collision Course compilation. Excellent comp, btw.
minya
Nigel wrote:
>
> "J. Wood" wrote:
>
>
> Oh, and keeping with the subject line -- I actually like Venetian Snares and
> anybody who appreciates their sound should get off their heinie, brush off those
> crumbs, and run to your nearest record store to pick up the DJ Scud/Rich Kid (aka
> Panacea) 12" collaboration out on Ambush. Probably some of the best material I've
> heard from good ol' Scud since Scud and Nomex's amazing track "Total Destruction"
> off of the Collision Course compilation. Excellent comp, btw.
fine 12", but way way too fucking short. when's the cd coming out?
and as for best scud track, my vote goes to "come with it" on praxis USA
- that track just flat-out kicks fucking ass.
np: survival unit - one man's war / no surrender (THE best of the
newschool PE fiends)
Nicolas Chevreux
I just don`t get it. Usually my tastes and yours are fairly close, but this
is so fucking week, compared to anything by Control, Navicton Torture Tech,
IRM or Azoikum... I am clearly not wanting at all to listen to the
forthcoming CD of Survival Unit.
Nicolas
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minya
Nicolas Chevreux wrote:
>
> > np: survival unit - one man's war / no surrender
> > THE best of the newschool PE fiends)
>
> I just don`t get it. Usually my tastes and yours are fairly close, but this
> is so fucking week, compared to anything by Control, Navicton Torture Tech,
> IRM or Azoikum... I am clearly not wanting at all to listen to the
> forthcoming CD of Survival Unit.
>
> Nicolas
nicolas - as marten said - you're crazy. :)
how can you not like it!? it's AWESOME! what was it in particular that
you didn't like?
Nicolas Chevreux
>how can you not like it!? it's AWESOME! what was it in particular that
>you didn't like?
I found the sound very light, not dense at all. Like I said in the
other thread, it sounds really like a bad mp3.
Then, the voice is... bad, too. No feeling, no soul. Sounds very
exagerated.
And, well this whole diatribe / rant didn't help me like it.
Anyway, I think I'll just go by the new Control and Azoikum when I
want to listen to PE these days.
Nicolas
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J. Wood
> "J. Wood" wrote:
>
> >
> > If you don't like experimentalist music then why the hell are you posting here?
> > To further some pathetic sense of superiority for the fact that you only listen
> > to conformist rules-based music?
> >
> > J
>
> I happen to believe that those rabid lovers of "experimental" music that
> constantly shit on anything slightly accessible tend to be poseurs who need "to
> further some pathetic sense of superiority." Really, are you just too high in
> your ivory tower to appreciate anything at face value?
I appreciate lots of things at face value. For example, I appreciate the fact of the
utter shit that is ApB. I like what I like and don't feel totally emasculated by the
thought of decrying things I don't. What a bizarre way of thinking.
J
Nigel
> Nigel wrote:
>
> > "J. Wood" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > If you don't like experimentalist music then why the hell are you posting here?
> > > To further some pathetic sense of superiority for the fact that you only listen
> > > to conformist rules-based music?
> > >
> > > J
> >
> > I happen to believe that those rabid lovers of "experimental" music that
> > constantly shit on anything slightly accessible tend to be poseurs who need "to
> > further some pathetic sense of superiority." Really, are you just too high in
> > your ivory tower to appreciate anything at face value?
>
> I appreciate lots of things at face value. For example, I appreciate the fact of the
> utter shit that is ApB.
Now that's a clever way to twist this around to one of your self-serving rants on the
evils of synthpop. BOOYAH!
> I like what I like and don't feel totally emasculated by the
> thought of decrying things I don't. What a bizarre way of thinking.
>
> J
It's just rather obvious that you're compensating for something. I don't even find
synthpop worth my time to criticize -- it'd be akin to pointing out to a 10 year old
girl that N'Sync are talentless.
But what I do find entertaining is how fans of experimental music *should* be an
enlightened bunch, when in reality the vast majority are just uncritical pseudo-elitists
that will drool over anything labeled "experimental" with enough hype.
tapeworm
<fookin...@SPAMBURGERhotmail.com> wrote:
>when in reality the vast majority are just uncritical pseudo-elitists
i'm still failing to see the problem here.
:p
- tapeworm
np: Defective Unit "Peeled"
"dream on, you swedish qjeen. 5 minutes on the mixer and thee doktor will
have those paintfaces screaming louder than your mom was last night."
- doktor industrial on goths at clubs.
e n -
<fookin...@SPAMBURGERhotmail.com> wrote:
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>But what I do find entertaining is how fans of experimental music *should* be an
>enlightened bunch, when in reality the vast majority are just uncritical pseudo-elitists
>that will drool over anything labeled "experimental" with enough hype.
so where is this generlization coming from? i dunno. the backlash
seems just as blind as the original reaction.
just my observation of your criticism really.
and btw - despite j. wood's unabashed bashing of synthpop, 1) he has
never claimed to be a big experimental fan in the 3-4 years i've read
the ng (though i must admit i skip lots of posts) and 2) he's at least
stated that depeche mode were both pop and brilliant.
so out of curiosity i'd like to know exactly where this generalization
comes from, whether its from your own personal life experience (which
i'll quite warrant that the few i know in real life who proclaim their
love for experimental to the skies are pretentious wankers) or based
on rmi. because as far as i've seen here, no one has actually wanked
on about how they listen to primarily experimental and then bash
everything else as sellout.
np: today is the day - temple of the morning star
R. C.
> >But what I do find entertaining is how fans of experimental music *should* be an
> >enlightened bunch, when in reality the vast majority are just uncritical pseudo-elitists
> >that will drool over anything labeled "experimental" with enough hype.
>
> so where is this generlization coming from? i dunno. the backlash
> seems just as blind as the original reaction.
>
> just my observation of your criticism really.
>
> and btw - despite j. wood's unabashed bashing of synthpop, 1) he has
> never claimed to be a big experimental fan in the 3-4 years i've read
> the ng (though i must admit i skip lots of posts) and 2) he's at least
> stated that depeche mode were both pop and brilliant.
>
> so out of curiosity i'd like to know exactly where this generalization
> comes from, whether its from your own personal life experience (which
> i'll quite warrant that the few i know in real life who proclaim their
> love for experimental to the skies are pretentious wankers)
I haven't really found this. the experimental fans I've met all like some artists in the
genre and don't like others, just like fans of any other genre.
J. Wood
> Now that's a clever way to twist this around to one of your self-serving rants on the
> evils of synthpop. BOOYAH!
>
All opinions are self serving. Yours, too.
>
> > I like what I like and don't feel totally emasculated by the
> > thought of decrying things I don't. What a bizarre way of thinking.
> >
> > J
>
> It's just rather obvious that you're compensating for something. I don't even find
> synthpop worth my time to criticize -- it'd be akin to pointing out to a 10 year old
> girl that N'Sync are talentless.
>
Wow, you're so 'leet you don't even need to acknowledge it's existance. And you were
accusing me of acting high and mighty? Fuck, if I don't like something, I say so. Again,
why is this a bizarre behaviour?
>
> But what I do find entertaining is how fans of experimental music *should* be an
> enlightened bunch, when in reality the vast majority are just uncritical pseudo-elitists
> that will drool over anything labeled "experimental" with enough hype.
Bull. I think Skincage and Hypnoskull and recent Asche and a whole crop of others exist
somewhere within the continuum of overhyped and utter crap. Just because I rant with some
enthusiasm doesn't mean I'm a slobbering idiot, so I'd appreciate you not leaping to
conclusions about me.
J
R. C.
>
> Bull. I think Skincage and Hypnoskull and recent Asche and a whole crop of others exist
> somewhere within the continuum of overhyped and utter crap.
really, you mean Distorted Disco? I thought it was one of the better attempts at
powernoise/ebm crossover that has appeared so far...
Dayv!
I thought it was one of the weakest Ant-Zen releases of the year.
Haven't heard any other Asche to judge all their work by, but Distorted
Disco left almost no impression on me at all.
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-Dayv!
"It's a higher power trying to tell me
through bunnies that we're all gonna die!"
J. Wood
I dunno, it just seemed unfocused and sorta weak to me.
J