Foetus reference list
D. Sticher
Here's the idea, you see...
Jim Thirlwell puts a *lot* of cultural references in his songs. Ranging
from The Simpsons to commercials to Iggy Pop to Spiderman to James Joyce to
proverbs to God knows what else, they're everywhere in his material.
I want to make something along the line of a sample list, or the Bad
Religion dictionary, or something, which catalogs the references in his
songs.
Of course, I only have 4 Foetus albums, and a head not resembling an
encyclopaedia, so it would be most gracious of you folks in cyberspace to
send me any and all references spotted...all submissions will be
appreciated and compiled ASAP...
Thanks in advance.
- Dave
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P. Schaapherder
DI - 19026 refers to the slaughtering the Manson's Family did to (I
think) Roman Polanski's Wife. I'm not sure, but I think the song is named
after the address where this all took place (and where Trent Reznor
recorded the Downward Spiral). And it's well known the Manson's Family
wrote "Pigs" on the walls in blood after the killing ("smearing pigs at
the white plastered walls in menstrual blood").
On the same album (Nail) it's "Hey Ho Hey Ho, It's off to work we go"
(Enter the Exterminator?), which of cause is originally sung by Snowy
White's Seven Dwarfs.
Just see if I can recall some more
Paul
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Kurt Johnson
: DI - 19026 refers to the slaughtering the Manson's Family did to (I
: after the address where this all took place (and where Trent Reznor
: recorded the Downward Spiral). And it's well known the Manson's Family
: wrote "Pigs" on the walls in blood after the killing ("smearing pigs at
: the white plastered walls in menstrual blood").
I think that DI-19026 goes a little further than just the murder of
Sharon Tate and really covers the whole Tate-Labianca spree by The
Family. At one point in the song J.G refers to 3301 Waverly Drive and
10050 Cielo Drive which were the addresses in both murders.
Also on Nail in "throne of agony" the line appears "I gaave the
sandwich to Mama Cass." This refers to the fact that Mama Cass from
the Mama's and the Papa's died while eating a ham sandwich (or at
least so I am told!)
both Gash and Null/Void are probably Jim's most "culturally
referenced" works. "Take it outside godboy" is a direct quote from
The Simpson's. Verklemmt was inspired by a Saturday Night Live
sketch. "Into the light" on Null features the haunting "No More Wire
Hangers" which refers to Joan Crawford and her alleged distaste for
both wire hangers and her daughter!
Also, I can't remember the name of the song right now, but it is on
Void, that has the infamous Brady Bunch quote "baby talk, baby talk,
it's a wonder you can walk."
I'll see if I can remember some more.
Kurt
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University of Nebraska - Lincoln
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Graham Clark
In article <5vjhmq$i...@crcnis3.unl.edu>, Kurt Johnson
<k...@unlinfo.unl.edu> writes
>: DI - 19026 refers to the slaughtering the Manson's Family did to (I
>: think) Roman Polanski's Wife. I'm not sure, but I think the song is named
>: after the address where this all took place (and where Trent Reznor
>: recorded the Downward Spiral). And it's well known the Manson's Family
>: wrote "Pigs" on the walls in blood after the killing ("smearing pigs at
>: the white plastered walls in menstrual blood").
>
>I think that DI-19026 goes a little further than just the murder of
>Sharon Tate and really covers the whole Tate-Labianca spree by The
>Family. At one point in the song J.G refers to 3301 Waverly Drive and
>10050 Cielo Drive which were the addresses in both murders.
"If you want to get some kicks phone DI - 1 - 9026"
Phone number of the Spahn ranch, apparently.
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Graham Clark
Yuri Yanov
Kurt Johnson <k...@unlinfo.unl.edu> записано в статью
<5vjhmq$i...@crcnis3.unl.edu>...
> : DI - 19026 refers to the slaughtering the Manson's Family did to (I
> : think) Roman Polanski's Wife. I'm not sure, but I think the song is
named
> : after the address where this all took place (and where Trent Reznor
> : recorded the Downward Spiral). And it's well known the Manson's Family
> : wrote "Pigs" on the walls in blood after the killing ("smearing pigs at
> : the white plastered walls in menstrual blood").
>
> I think that DI-19026 goes a little further than just the murder of
> Sharon Tate and really covers the whole Tate-Labianca spree by The
> Family. At one point in the song J.G refers to 3301 Waverly Drive and
> 10050 Cielo Drive which were the addresses in both murders.
>
> Also on Nail in "throne of agony" the line appears "I gaave the
> sandwich to Mama Cass." This refers to the fact that Mama Cass from
> the Mama's and the Papa's died while eating a ham sandwich (or at
> least so I am told!)
>
> both Gash and Null/Void are probably Jim's most "culturally
> referenced" works. "Take it outside godboy" is a direct quote from
> The Simpson's. Verklemmt was inspired by a Saturday Night Live
> sketch. "Into the light" on Null features the haunting "No More Wire
> Hangers" which refers to Joan Crawford and her alleged distaste for
> both wire hangers and her daughter!
>
> Also, I can't remember the name of the song right now, but it is on
> Void, that has the infamous Brady Bunch quote "baby talk, baby talk,
> it's a wonder you can walk."
hey.. didn't i read in a booklet from nail cd a whole manifest by jim
concerning all that reference stuff? so, just take it and read it, and
you'll see what all that was meant to mean in jim's thoughts :)
Evil Ed
P. Schaapherder wrote:
DI - 19026 refers to the slaughtering the Manson's Family did to (I
> think) Roman Polanski's Wife. I'm not sure, but I think the song is named
> after the address where this all took place (and where Trent Reznor
> recorded the Downward Spiral). And it's well known the Manson's Family
> wrote "Pigs" on the walls in blood after the killing ("smearing pigs at
> the white plastered walls in menstrual blood").
I realize that this is nitpicking, but I need CLOSURE! (insert
obligatory
cheesy smiley face thingie here)
Smearing Pigswill on the white plaster walls, etc... was a line from
Pigswill,
not DI-1-9026, on the same album.
P. Schaapherder
You're right. I realized my mistake after sending the message. But I have
to do this without the lyrics sheet in front of me, so these sort of
things can easily happen.
RedDye6
DI-1-9026 is a reference to a phone number, but I forget if it was the
number at the Spahn Movie Ranch or at the Polanski house. It's mentioned
in one of the books on Manson, I think "Helter Skelter." It was a long
time ago that I came across it.
Mike
Fortier
Is someone taking all of this down? I believe a webpage (and a text document)
should be made. I'll volunteer if no one else will, but someone else would
probably have a better design than anything I could do.
D. Sticher
This thread started out because I'm the one putting this together...
I've been taking notes using the lyric sheets up on the web, but I'll ask
again for any help. I should have it up by...next week.
John T. Leipold
P. Schaapherder wrote:
>
> D. Sticher wrote:
> >
> > Here's the idea, you see...
> >
> > Jim Thirlwell puts a *lot* of cultural references in his songs. Ranging
> > from The Simpsons to commercials to Iggy Pop to Spiderman to James Joyce to
> > proverbs to God knows what else, they're everywhere in his material.
> >
> > I want to make something along the line of a sample list, or the Bad
> > Religion dictionary, or something, which catalogs the references in his
> > songs.
> >
> > Of course, I only have 4 Foetus albums, and a head not resembling an
> > encyclopaedia, so it would be most gracious of you folks in cyberspace to
> > send me any and all references spotted...all submissions will be
> > appreciated and compiled ASAP...
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
>
> think) Roman Polanski's Wife. I'm not sure, but I think the song is named
> after the address where this all took place (and where Trent Reznor
> recorded the Downward Spiral). And it's well known the Manson's Family
> wrote "Pigs" on the walls in blood after the killing ("smearing pigs at
> the white plastered walls in menstrual blood").
>
Knitting Factory where he was a regular preformer for years. Someone
could check me on that.
>
> On the same album (Nail) it's "Hey Ho Hey Ho, It's off to work we go"
> (Enter the Exterminator?), which of cause is originally sung by Snowy
> White's Seven Dwarfs.
>
The Batman theme at the end of "Sick Man"
"Butter" in refering to Parkay's commercial (Thirwell: "It's like
butter... I can't believe it aint butter")
"Meet You in Poland Baby" as a fictional conversation between Hitler and
Stalin
Sampling of the movie "Mommie Dearest" in the song "Into the Light"
In Inc. he used a musical movement that the Catholic Church banned as
evil in "Diabolus in Musica"
But this could go on forever...
Malphisto
Dan-O
Crap. Dropped in and half the related massages had already expired, so
please
forgive any redundancy - I don't have much to add anyway at this exact
moment...
BUT DI-1-9026 is the phone number at either the Barker ranch or the
Polanski
household - a quick flip through Bugliosi's 'Helter Skelter' would resolve
that
one. Of course the addresses mentioned are crime scenes - Cielo Drive
being the Polanksi home and the other - Waverly Way, being the LoBianco
residence. Some phrases came right outta Charlie Manson's mouth -
"You can't kill kill" being one. I NEED to dig out my Manson books...
hmm - that phone # might also be for the other ranch they stayed at, now
that i think of it. one of those...
All of "Slung" from GASH is directly pointed towards an as yet un-named
ex-girlfriend who was particularly problematic for JGT - she had a
restraining
order against him and so on... Actually she WAS named in private, but...
On "Hammer Falls" from GASH, "been all I can be" refers to the US Army
slogan "Be all you can be". "Mighty Whity" refers to JGT being called
"Hey John Lennon - Hey Mighty Whitey!" from a passing prisoner
transfer bus. The Dr. Zizmor referred to in "Hammer Falls" is a local
(NYC)
dermatologist whose commercials typically featured before and after
patients - all of whom would say "Thank you Doctor Zizmor!" with great
enthusiasm after having been cured of their particular malady (heartbreak
of psoriasis?, which is again another reference). You've got the 'Take It
Outside Godboy" in re: The
Simpsons I see... The audio of a guy talking tho comes from a certain
killer whose name escapes me - he killed ladies in NY area and stored
their heads in like the Greyhound bus station locker - this dialogue was a
recording between this guy and his dad - JGT got it from Richard Kern -
if someone recalls this killers name it would prolly help... From
"Mutapump" - 'the jewel of denial" loosely = 'the jewel of the Nile",
originally Cleopatra, later a film.
On Null/Void or whatever, "Be Thankful" refers to his father, H.R.
Thirlwell,
(who's also pictured on one of the discs in his Aussie army hat), who
one told JGT to take what he had and be thankful, which he has apparently
refused to do.
Let's not forget Wiseblood, taken from the book and later film "Wise
Blood".
"Death Rape 2000" surely refers to a cheeze-ball flick called 'Death Race
2000' (which was also a song by La Muerte, later). Dirtdish is RIFE with
references - Ricky Kasso the Long Island satanist killer, Beaver Cleavage,
"black gold / texas tea", the burning bush, etc.
Apparently, tho, the 1st of Sept and 28th of Oct hold no particular
meaning - per JGT they just sounded good.
On Motorslug, "keep your eyes on the road and your hands
upon the wheel" = The Doors (is that right?? the track escapes me...)
On THAW, "English Faggot" references an actual answering machine
message he once got - nearly verbatim at the beginning... 'squeal like
a piggie' might reference the line from "Deliverance" - i would lay money
it does.
Far as "Anything (VIVA!)" from NAIL goes - there are many articles in which
Jim states his first time singing was to a girl in his class in elementary
school named
Viva - he crooned Elvis' 'Viva Las Vegas' to her. quaint.
"Puppet Dude" refers to Jim Henson and Sammy Davis Jr, who both died on the
same day, and is akin to Elton John's 'Rocket Man', sorta...
"Bedrock": ref's Santa Claus "making a list / checking it twice", or maybe
the xmas
tune what has those lyrics... also shakespeare in the Romeo... areas.
Grand
Poobah - only please i've heard that is the Flintstones.
Boxhead I know is a drinking game - any relation??
OK all for now - woould appreciate knowing the URL of the eventual site
which
might contain this reference list, so I can link from the Foetus site...
Oh - isn't "get out of my house" spoken by Talulah Bankhead in some movie??
again forgive any redundancy...
-D. Jones
foe
"Dan-O" <man...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> BUT DI-1-9026 is the phone number at either the Barker ranch or the
> Polanski household - a quick flip through Bugliosi's 'Helter Skelter' would resolve
> that one.
Dan, i was told that this # is the Spahn Ranch one... the crime scene
then... But needs to be confirmed.
> All of "Slung" from GASH is directly pointed towards an as yet un-named
> ex-girlfriend who was particularly problematic for JGT
And Anything (Viva!) ???
Sounds like the same context.
Oops you are speaking about it below..
"they are not so true" on Gash refers to an experience Jim had with
gansta in the street near his appartement. He was down to buy a six
pack and he was harassed by several rappers. At that moment he wished
"that they would have been not true".
Dimitri
Graham Clark
In article <342fbe6f....@news.total.net>, foe <f...@dust.net>
writes
>"Dan-O" <man...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
>> BUT DI-1-9026 is the phone number at either the Barker ranch or the
>> Polanski household - a quick flip through Bugliosi's 'Helter Skelter' would
>resolve
>> that one.
>
>Dan, i was told that this # is the Spahn Ranch one... the crime scene
>then... But needs to be confirmed.
"The telephone number of the Spahn ranch was DI-1-9026. Creepy crawl."
From the insert of Nail. When I said before that it was the
Spahn ranch's phone number, I thought it was from here but I couldn't
find it when I looked. I've just looked again . . . and it's on the
other side, in Helstinki Jail 8/7/85.
Could still be inaccurate, but it'd have to be on purpose.
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Graham Clark
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Sorry for any repetitions...
WISEBLOOD
The name Wiseblood was inspired from Wise Blood, the Flannery
O'Connor novel that John Houston adopted for the big screen
(it features J.G.-lookalike Brad Dourif as Hazel Motes, founder
and only member of the Church Without Christ). In a 1985 interview
Thirlwell says,"One of Lydia's nicknames for me is 'WiseBlood'
because in some ways I'm similar to that character because I do
subject myself to torture unconsciously a lot of the time, really
putting myself through the grinder when I don't need to. It's an
unconscious thing. I don't need to torture myself but I do it
anyway." O'Connor has been an obvious and acknowledged influence
on Cave's lyrics and novel, "And The Ass Saw The Angel".
"Where Evils Dwells" (soundtrack of the incomplete movie of the
same title by Turner and Wojnarowicz) is about the "Satanist Kid"
murder commited by Ricky Kasso. The line "Long Live The New Flesh"
is from David Cronenberg's Videodrome.
In "Godbrain", the "Kool-Aid king" line must be a reference to
Reverend Jim Jones and the mass suicide at Jonestown, Guyana; the
lethal poison used was mixed with Cool-Aid.
"Death Rape 2000" is a twisted pun on Paul Bartel's black comedy movie
"Death Race 2000" (the drivers score points for each pedestrian they
run over).
"Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
("Motorslug") is from "Roadhouse Blues" (The Doors).
"Can't stand posts, better not dig them holes" from "Someone Drowned
In My Pool" exists in Jim Thompson's novel, "The Grifters".
Any guesses about Bee-Bop-A-Ree-Bop? I may be completely mistaken here
but I've seen a biker B-movie where the gang leader had this name.
FOETUS
In the 1982 track "Mother, I've Killed the Cat", the title is the
closing line of the 1974 thriller Persecution (aka "The Terror Of
Sheeba" aka "The Graveyard"). Ralph Bates kills his mother (Lana
Turner) and then says this line to the cat!
Does the voice in the beginning of "Clothes Hoist" belong to Bogart,
and - if so - which movie is this from?
Another obvious twist is the one on Iggy's "Lust For Life" which
becomes "Lust For Death". "North, South, Mae West... I'm the one
Mother Nature had to recall.." paraphrase a Mae West number. Dunno
how Ralph Nader ties in, later on in the song. Rimbeaud is the French
19th century poet.
The 1st September date (1939) from "I'll Meet You In Poland" is when
Hitler broke the Germany-USSR non-agression pact and the German troops
invaded Poland; kick off for WW2.
"Sick Man" was done as a satire of Nick Cave, as Thirlwell says in the
Cave bio "Bad Seed". Theit relationship deteriorated because of this!
In an old posting someone had mentioned that "the snot green sea, that
scrotum tightening sea" ("Water Torture") is from James Joyce's
"Ulysses".
DI-1-9026 IS the Spahn Ranch phone number.
I suppose it's a common phrase but I've always associated "when the
going gets tough, the tough get going" ("Ramrod") with "Grease".
"Boxhead" might or might be not a reference to the Hooker/Steen
abduction and sex slave case that is being presented (in a superficial
and biased way imo) in "A Perfect Victim" by the female DA and the
journalist she's hired to make this into a self-righteous
sensationalising court story. The victim, Steen, was forced for a
certain period to wear a box round her head. J.G. has mentioned this
as one of the two books that have affected him the most(Oct. 90,
Catalogue). The other book he mentions is "Requiem For A Dream",
Hubert Selby Jr's chiller on heroin and life. The subtitle of YORK,
First Exit To Brooklyn, is a reference to Selby's best known novel,
"Last Exit To Brooklyn".
Almost all the lines from "Honey, I'm Home" are from Kubrick's "The
Shining".
I've read somewhere that Butterfly Potion was about killer "Joseph
smth". Is this true? More info?
The voice in the intro to "Take It Outside Godboy" belongs to stalker/
killer/cannibal, Daniel Rakowitz.
STEROID MAXIMUS
"Quilombo" is spanish for brothel.
"Gondwanaland" was an ancient (500 million to 160 million years ago)
super-continent w/the eastern part of Antarctica as the core. It also
included Africa, South America, India, Australia and New Zealand.
"Radio Raheem" was a character in Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing"
The "Heidnik Maneuver is obviously a pun on the Heimlich Maneuver
distorted through the practice of serial killer Gary Heidnik.
RUIN/LUNCH
The idea behind the cover of "Why Don't We Do It In The Road" might
be a tip of the hat to the other great J.G. (Ballard) and his novel
"Crash".
MORE T' CUM (maybe)
Makis Lazaropoulos
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Adam K Rixey
vil...@hotmail.com writes:
> "Keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel"
> ("Motorslug") is from "Roadhouse Blues" (The Doors).
Might it also be a reference (made by either the Doors or Thirlwell) to
driver's ed classes, where that's one of the rules they teach you?
> Another obvious twist is the one on Iggy's "Lust For Life" which
> becomes "Lust For Death". "North, South, Mae West... I'm the one
Again, I'm not really sure if that's a reference because "Lust for death"
isn't really an uncommon phrase. Unless the two songs are similar in some way,
but it's been awhile since I heard "Lust for Life".
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If some girl tried to kick my ass, I'd be like, Ay! Why don't you stop dressin
me up like a mailman and makin' me dance for you while you guys smoke crack in
your bedroom and have sex with some guy I don't even know on my dad's bed!
Todd Adamson
In article <8756543...@dejanews.com>, vil...@hotmail.com says...
> Any guesses about Bee-Bop-A-Ree-Bop? I may be completely mistaken here
> but I've seen a biker B-movie where the gang leader had this name.
Don't know about a biker movie reference, but bee-bop-a-ree-bop is from
an old Captain Beefheart song.
Is anyone assembling this stuff?
--
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- Me
Kamio Noelle Chambless
> enthusiasm after having been cured of their particular malady (heartbreak
> of psoriasis?, which is again another reference).
Actually, I always took the "heartbreak of psoriasis" to be
a reference to a song by Tom Waits, can't recall the name,
but the lyrics are something along the lines of a compilation
of ad slogans culled from various resources...
that's my puny contribution...
-Kamio
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Adam Greenfield
Kamio Noelle Chambless wrote:
>
> > enthusiasm after having been cured of their particular malady (heartbreak
> > of psoriasis?, which is again another reference).
>
> Actually, I always took the "heartbreak of psoriasis" to be
> a reference to a song by Tom Waits, can't recall the name,
> but the lyrics are something along the lines of a compilation
> of ad slogans culled from various resources...
>
> that's my puny contribution...
> -Kamio
Actually, "heartbreak of psoriasis" is an advertising cliché from a
patent medicine commercial of the 1950's; Mad Magazine used to have
great fun parodying it well into the 70's, where for example they'd mock
a motor-oil ad as claiming to "reduce engine viscosity and cure the
heartbreak of psoriasis."
They probably wouldn't any more, since the generation that would most
identify with the line has moved on to *ModernMaturity* and Depends. Mad
Magazine was actually pretty subversive in its own way, back in the day
- omnivorous and sarcastic, much in the same (jugular) vein as Tom
Waits.
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nicholas curtis
D. Sticher (stic...@global2000.net.penis) wrote:
: I want to make something along the line of a sample list, or the Bad
: Religion dictionary, or something, which catalogs the references in his
: songs.
Well, here is an exact breakdown of the lines from "I'll Meet You In Poland
Baby"::: [if there is a question mark behind any reference, it means I'm
completely guessing as to the lines meaning]
"SUCK ON THIS, SQUAREHEAD" = Revealing Hitler's (Germany) complete disdain
for Chamberlin (England). 'SUCK ON THIS' works well with the 'six inch
guarantee' line, while 'SQUAREHEAD' merely is derogatory... [?]
"I hear you got a six inch guarantee of unilateral security" = a
scatological reference to the male organ's length. Basically, SCREW YOU!
[?]
"Well Stalin and me, we just signed a mutual non-agression pact" = Stalin
(Russia) and Hitler agreed not to attack each other prior to WWII, a pact
that held well until Hitler invaded Russia...
"I'm gonna put CASE WHITE into effect" = CASE WHITE was Hitler's codename for
the blitzkreig on Poland.
"Prepare yourself for a CONFLICT baby" = This is Hitler talking to
Chamberlin, who he supposedly hated. The CONFLICT in question would be over
Poland. Chamberlin had agreed to give Hitler Czech. and thought that would
satisfy him. It didn't. Hitler attacked Poland, which actually started
World War II... since England and its allies felt the need to step in.
"I'll cook you a stew you'll choke on" = Hitler was convinced that
Chamberlin would fall with Poland. I believe his quote on the matter was
something like: 'Chamberlin will burn with Poland.' Thus, this line refers
to the heated conflict and, from Hitler's perspective, the downfall of
Chamberlin. [?]
"I tore up the VERSAILLES TREATY" = The treaty from the end of WWI which
basically forbid Germany to raise arms. Hitler, of course, ignored this and
in a brilliant agenda had Germany completely armed by the invasion of Poland
(only in a six month period!).
"Today is the FIRST of SEPTEMBER" = This is the actual day that Hitler
Blitzkreiged Poland, as well as being the start of WWII.
"See you at your graveside, baby" = Hitler to Chamberlin. Once again,
Hitler was convinced Chamberlin would fall with Poland.
"I'll meet you in Poland, baby" = same as above.
"I want to PUMP you FULL of BURNING LEAD" = Hitler's hatred of Chamberlin,
once again expressed. [?]
"Cause six million casualties" = The casualty count from the attack. [?]
"Well I give you a lot of slack - but all I get from you is FLAK" = Oddly,
this sounds more like a grievance that Chamberlin might express, since he
did give Hitler Czech. and then Hitler went for Poland. [?]
"Passing information to HIGH COMMAND" = CASE WHITE was an extremely
secretive, intelligent strategy. The entire HIGH COMMAND must have been in
constant contact with one another to make it work properly... [?]
"We have ways of making you TALK" = No one forced anyone else to devulge any
information during CASE WHITE (to my knowledge), so my guess would be it is
another line about the information being passed within the German officials.
[?]
And all the rest of the lines are repeats. Hope this helps you out. When I
get a few more minutes, I might type up another song o' Foetus and the
meaning...
m/Analog Kryst
D. Sticher
In article <3437b...@npnews.newpaltz.edu>, curt...@matrix.newpaltz.edu
(nicholas curtis) wrote:
> Well, here is an exact breakdown of the lines from "I'll Meet You In Poland
> Baby"::: [if there is a question mark behind any reference, it means I'm
> completely guessing as to the lines meaning]
>
> "SUCK ON THIS, SQUAREHEAD" = Revealing Hitler's (Germany) complete disdain
> for Chamberlin (England). 'SUCK ON THIS' works well with the 'six inch
> guarantee' line, while 'SQUAREHEAD' merely is derogatory... [?]
Squarehead is an ethnic slur to Poles. Oh, and change all references from
"Chamberlin" to "Stalin," because tha song is a conversation between Stalin
and Hitler (according to JGT).
> "I hear you got a six inch guarantee of unilateral security" = a
> scatological reference to the male organ's length. Basically, SCREW YOU!
> [?]
There's gotta be something more to this...is this a reference to some
obscure military advantage Hitler had?
> "Well Stalin and me, we just signed a mutual non-agression pact" = Stalin
> (Russia) and Hitler agreed not to attack each other prior to WWII, a pact
> that held well until Hitler invaded Russia...
Right. And it was just a matter of fate that Hitler attacked before Stalin.
> "Prepare yourself for a CONFLICT baby" = This is Hitler talking to
> Chamberlin, who he supposedly hated. The CONFLICT in question would be over
> Poland. Chamberlin had agreed to give Hitler Czech. and thought that would
> satisfy him. It didn't. Hitler attacked Poland, which actually started
> World War II... since England and its allies felt the need to step in.
That and it was a race between Stalin and Hitler to see who could be the
biggest asshole. Hitler was promising Stalin a conflict, and vice versa,
and they both carried out their promises...especially on the Russian side.
Say what you will about the Reds, 12 million Russians died keepin Hitler at
bay.
> "I'll cook you a stew you'll choke on" = Hitler was convinced that
> Chamberlin would fall with Poland. I believe his quote on the matter was
> something like: 'Chamberlin will burn with Poland.' Thus, this line refers
> to the heated conflict and, from Hitler's perspective, the downfall of
> Chamberlin. [?]
That and Nazi-fascist Hitler had a huge philosophical slash power struggle
with Leninist-communist Stalin, and to topple the USSR would be total
victory, along with ruling and enslaving the entire world.
> "I tore up the VERSAILLES TREATY" = The treaty from the end of WWI which
> basically forbid Germany to raise arms. Hitler, of course, ignored this and
> in a brilliant agenda had Germany completely armed by the invasion of Poland
> (only in a six month period!).
Right, plus the Versailles Treaty basically drove Germany into a depression
even more severe than the rest of the world's. By morning you could sell
your business, by evening your capital wouldn't buy an egg, the inflation
was so bad...he pegged most of the blame on the scapegoat üntermensches
(Jews etc.), winning the support of the populace through populist talk and
simplistic blame tactics.
>
> "Today is the FIRST of SEPTEMBER" = This is the actual day that Hitler
> Blitzkreiged Poland, as well as being the start of WWII.
Yes.
>
> "See you at your graveside, baby" = Hitler to Chamberlin. Once again,
> Hitler was convinced Chamberlin would fall with Poland.
>
> "I'll meet you in Poland, baby" = same as above.
Could also be sarcasm - the blitzkrieg was so fast, Stalin's troops
couldn't possibly "meet" him there.
>
> "I want to PUMP you FULL of BURNING LEAD" = Hitler's hatred of Chamberlin,
> once again expressed. [?]
Like a gun. Burning/flaming lead is a common motif with JGT.
>
> "Cause six million casualties" = The casualty count from the attack. [?]
Six million Jews, etc.
> "Well I give you a lot of slack - but all I get from you is FLAK" = Oddly,
> this sounds more like a grievance that Chamberlin might express, since he
> did give Hitler Czech. and then Hitler went for Poland. [?]
The treaty between Stalin and Hitler was a bit of slack, and then Hitler
gave him literal flak.
> "Passing information to HIGH COMMAND" = CASE WHITE was an extremely
> secretive, intelligent strategy. The entire HIGH COMMAND must have been in
> constant contact with one another to make it work properly... [?]
Hitler WAS High Command. More sarcasm.
> "We have ways of making you TALK" = No one forced anyone else to devulge any
> information during CASE WHITE (to my knowledge), so my guess would be it is
> another line about the information being passed within the German officials.
> [?]
All the German officials were appointed by or killed by Hitler, so
maybe...I don't know.
nicholas curtis
D. Sticher (stic...@global2000.net.penis) wrote:
: Squarehead is an ethnic slur to Poles. Oh, and change all references from
: "Chamberlin" to "Stalin," because tha song is a conversation between Stalin
: and Hitler (according to JGT).
The Squarehead as an ethinic slur is a new one on me, but it definately
makes more sense. I don't understand how this could have been a
conversation between Hitler and Stalin... they were still in a mutual
non-aggression pact when the First of September (and thus Poland's invasion)
occured, but Stalin had NOTHING to do with the invasion.
The reference is more if he was talking to Chamberlin about Stalin, since
the allies expected Russia to step in and help them if war broke out in
Poland... Stalin and the Russians merely stood by and watched...
: > "I hear you got a six inch guarantee of unilateral security" = a
: > scatological reference to the male organ's length. Basically, SCREW YOU!
: > [?]
: There's gotta be something more to this...is this a reference to some
: obscure military advantage Hitler had?
Well, that is why I put a question mark there. I originally thought that it
might have a refered to a document that was only six inches in length, but
all treaties and the sort from this time frame were huge... Then I pondered
the "unilateral" part::: it might have something to do with topography and
geography (latitude and longitude), but I can't figure anything out...
m/Analog Kryst
ryan patrick
Kamio Noelle Chambless (ka...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: > enthusiasm after having been cured of their particular malady (heartbreak
: > of psoriasis?, which is again another reference).
: Actually, I always took the "heartbreak of psoriasis" to be
: a reference to a song by Tom Waits, can't recall the name,
: but the lyrics are something along the lines of a compilation
: of ad slogans culled from various resources...
I think you're thinking of 'step right up' from Small Change FWIW...
Always nice to see a TW refernce on this group.
James
jher...@acad.uwsuper.edu (not the above address)
P. Schaapherder
On the album "Sink" the song "Spit on the Griddle" has got the sub-title
"The drowning of G.J. Walhof".
Originally this song was recorded during a session for the Dutch
VPRO-radio station. G.J. Walhof happens to be the DJ of the programme
Foetus recorded this session for.
Paul
Gene Hopstetter, Jr.
In article <MPG.e9c5a9ab...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
tod...@ix.netcom.com (Todd Adamson) wrote:
>In article <8756543...@dejanews.com>, vil...@hotmail.com says...
>
>> Any guesses about Bee-Bop-A-Ree-Bop? I may be completely mistaken here
>> but I've seen a biker B-movie where the gang leader had this name.
>
>Don't know about a biker movie reference, but bee-bop-a-ree-bop is from
>an old Captain Beefheart song.
Erm, mebbe you mean "Woe Is A Me Bop" from the album "Lick My Decals Off,
Baby"?.
"Pornography teaches us what to forget." -- Bruce Adams
Gene Hopstetter, Jr. ++ Internet Publishing Specialist
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vil...@hotmail.com
villene wrote:
>"Quilombo" is spanish for brothel
kamio wrote:
>>Hmm. Someone i know who is really into Brazillian culture told me that it was
>>some sort of Brazillian dance or something...
oops… mah "quilombo" explanation may be 100% wrong. I got carried away by
the cover for Astor Piazzola’s NUEVO TANGO: HORA ZERO which says that
KILOMBO means WHOREHOUSE. This is Argentinian spanish tho’; I’ve just
discovered that in portuguese QUILOMBOS were the hiding places that the
black slaves used to have in Brazil. Later on quilombos evolved into
small towns where the blacks kept their culture and afro heritage alive
to this day. The samba IS the musical child of the quilombo. And yeah,
Kamio’s right… there was a school of samba called "escola Quilombo" from
1974 to 1996; it was created by someone called Paulinho Da Viola. The
guy’s music and philosophy was a call for pure samba, free from American
influences.
Makis
vil...@hotmail.com
MORE ON the Jim Thirwell-Jim Thompson link:
The lines "I swear on a stack of bibles"
and "Double goddam and a carton of hells" from
"Anxiety Attack" can be found on different pages
of Thompson's "A Hell Of A Woman".
In the same song, "I always tell the truth even
when I lie" is a memorable line from "Scarface".