Why Skinny Puppy???
Ishmael Schulte
Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
Are most of their other albums much better?
What I'm listening to now is stuff like FLA, LEÆTHERSTRIP, NUMB, and
Switchblade Symphony.
Can someone please help me with this?
I'll sure appreciate it.
Thanks
Ishmael
necKro
In article <32E53F...@erols.com>,
Ishmael Schulte <ibin...@erols.com> wrote:
>Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
>kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
>Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
>Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
>This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
>anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
>Are most of their other albums much better?
> What I'm listening to now is stuff like FLA, LEÆTHERSTRIP, NUMB, and
>Switchblade Symphony.
Well... Rabies isn't really anybody's favorite (though it's still
pretty good, IMHO :), and Last Rights can take some getting used to, but
lots of Puppy fans (myself included) really like VIVIsectVI...
If you want more of an electronic sound, try Bites (Bill Leeb from FLA
was actually still in the band at the time), one of my favorites as
well...
(though, personally, my two faves are Too Dark Park and Cleanse Fold &
Manipulate... it's all a matter of personal preference...)
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GODLIKE423
Well... Rabies isn't really anybody's favorite (though it's still
pretty good, IMHO :), and Last Rights can take some getting used to, but
lots of Puppy fans (myself included) really like VIVIsectVI...
Actually, Rabies is MY favorite....
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In article <32E53F...@erols.com>, ibin...@erols.com wrote:
Æ Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
Æ kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
Æ Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
Æ Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
Æ This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
Æ anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
Æ Are most of their other albums much better?
Æ What I'm listening to now is stuff like FLA, LEÆTHERSTRIP, NUMB, and
Æ Switchblade Symphony.
Chances are that if you don't like any of those three albums, you're not
gonna like any other Puppy that you hear. That's a damn shame, in my
opinion, but it's the way it is.
If you still really want to check out some SP, though, you should go for
the early stuff, _Remission_ and _Bites_ (the two separate albums by those
names, not the compilation which is called _Remission and Bites_). That's
the only era of SP that you don't get to hear in those three albums. That
earlier SP stuff is much more tied to conventional song structures,
verse-chorus-verse-chorus, etc., but it still manages to use those
conventional forms in a creative way. (BTW, Remission is much better than
Bites.)
Thin White "please tell me that you at least like Testure" Duke
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Ishmael Schulte wrote:
>
> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
Ishmael- Don't get rid of the SP discs, just put them aside. Go and
explore all the industrial groups you want. But periodically go back and
listen to Puppy. You should start to appreciate their brilliance after a
while....
-Peter Denk-
RSgour
Ishmael Schulte wrote:
I'd check out "Too Dark Park" I'm not a huge Puppy fan but that's one of
my all-time favorites.
> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
> kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
> Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
> Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
Dave Scott
Ishmael Schulte wrote:
>
> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
> kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
> Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
> Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
> This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
> anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
Don't worry about what other people think. I happen to love Skinny
Puppy, but many other people I know hate them.
No matter how great other people think Skinny Puppy are, you may not
like them. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. It simply
means you have different tastes! You may grow to appreciate Skinny Puppy
later, or you may continue to dislike them.
Try something else - a different band. Maybe you're outgrowing the
abrasive music phase. go for some EBM or Techno something or other.
Experiment. Or if you want to contine down the road to sensory abuse, go
for some opera. :)
-Dave, the only guy in the world who hated the Beatles -
Brian Corbett
> -Dave, the only guy in the world who hated the Beatles -
No way!!! The Beatles sucked and I know LOTS of people who'd say the same.
Just my unrelated $0.02.
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Anton
Ishmael Schulte wrote:
>
> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
> kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
> Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
> Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
> This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
> anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
The only thing I hate about Puppy is that it's their fault for the whole
association of Goth with Industrial (fuck, are most Goths ever lame).
Other than that, their music is great.
Oh, and I also hate how, despite their talents, those cEvin and Ogre
guys seem like a couple of dysfunctional, selfish, drug-burn-out idiots
who just can't get along with each other.
No wait, one more thing. Skinny Puppy to me seems to typify the stupid
"tortured artist" stereotype - the great art which stems from inner
turmoil - partly Ogre's inner torture (whatever that is, I'm sure drugs
didn't help) and also the torture to Ogre and cEvin of having to be in
the same room together recording.
I think that's it. Despite the artists, they music is still one of my
favorites.
Preceptor
ibin...@erols.com spewed forth to All:
ib> From: Ishmael Schulte <ibin...@erols.com>
ib> Reply-To: ibin...@erols.com
ib> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
ib> kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
ib> Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
ib> Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
ib> This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put
ib> down anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
ib> Are most of their other albums much better?
ib> What I'm listening to now is stuff like FLA, LEFTHERSTRIP, NUMB, and
ib> Switchblade Symphony.
Give them time, is all I can say. Last Rights is their best album, but it's
very experimental. Rabies has a few very good tracks and a few very bad tracks.
Vivisect just rules.
I would suggest shelving them, (but not selling them) and listening to them
again in a month or so. You might also want to try the Cleanse Fold and
Manipulate album, it doesn't use noise to the extent that the other albums
you bought do.
I don't know your position on drugs, but I didn't like Last Rights until
I listened to it on acid. Now it's my favorite album.
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downfall
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Ishmael Schulte wrote:
> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
> kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
> Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
> Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
> This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
> anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
> Are most of their other albums much better?
don't worry. puppy is amazing, it's just you can't hear that yet. right
now those discs might seem like just audible anarchy...don't fret. aside
from rabies, you've got two of the greatest albums *ever*. just let them
sit there, for awhile and start exploring the genre. then come back to
them. tracks will start making sense. organized noises will start making
connections. just give it time.
in the meantime, for some more accessable puppy try out remission as it
is, undoubtedly, the best of early era puppy.
-downfall
"the man has no sense of reality at all" - george drakoulias
Alexander Schusser
RSgour <rsg...@aol.com> skrev i inlägg
<19970122191...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> Ishmael Schulte wrote:
> I'd check out "Too Dark Park" I'm not a huge Puppy fan but that's one of
> my all-time favorites.
>
Yep...but all their albums are great (of course im a fan...as if u didnt
know that...:)
> > Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
> > kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
> > Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
> > Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
> > This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
> > anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
>
Well i had the same probz like 6-7 years ago...When i started listening to
puppy it all sounded so crappy...so many noises no structure...no sense of
music nothing just noises...Cant recall my first album but it took months
befor it began growing on me...when it finally did there was nothing
stopping me...
I just couldnt get enough...i wanted all their albums (and now i have em'
all except for all the singels...)
But in the beginning they just sounded crap, i couldnt stand them...i was
even thinking of selling my albums...due to this i missed out when they
visited my country (in gothenborg 88') if i only would have started
listening to them earlier on...i cant forgive myself for this...Fortunatly
i caught the Download show...:)
I hope ogre gets his acr together and releases something...maybe i can see
his live acting in the future...I can only keep that hope...
Meanwhile ill enjoy some nice Mentallo & The fixer...
Michael J. Heidenreich
downfall (ew20...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu) spoketh:
} On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Ishmael Schulte wrote:
}
} > kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
} > Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
} > Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
} > This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
} > anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
}
} don't worry. puppy is amazing, it's just you can't hear that yet. right
} now those discs might seem like just audible anarchy...don't fret. aside
} from rabies, you've got two of the greatest albums *ever*. just let them
} sit there, for awhile and start exploring the genre. then come back to
} them. tracks will start making sense. organized noises will start making
} connections. just give it time.
That's the way it wourked for me and that's my suggestion as
well...Puppy takes time to enjoy, and once you get into it...there's no
turning back.
} in the meantime, for some more accessable puppy try out remission as it
} is, undoubtedly, the best of early era puppy.
Just to add to the mass of people that have been questioning
their ability to appreciate some SP (I've seen a lot of negative hype
about them on rmi recently), what is it about Remission that everyone
finds so excellent. It might be that it's the last Puppy CD I acquired,
but still...I love Bites, I like B&F2, and I like selected parts of
Mind: TPI. But I really don't find Remission all that great. Maybe I'm
just weird.
MJH (Off topic, I love the new Chemlab more every time I hear it.)
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dbk
> Just to add to the mass of people that have been questioning
>their ability to appreciate some SP (I've seen a lot of negative hype
>about them on rmi recently), what is it about Remission that everyone
>finds so excellent. It might be that it's the last Puppy CD I acquired,
>but still...I love Bites, I like B&F2, and I like selected parts of
>Mind: TPI. But I really don't find Remission all that great. Maybe I'm
>just weird.
Right on, brother! I love Mind and Bites. Mind is what got me into them a
couple years ago and Bites was an instant love the first time I heard it a
month ago.
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Thin White Duke
In article <5c8lku$s...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, kil...@uiuc.edu (dbk) wrote:
Æ > Just to add to the mass of people that have been questioning
Æ >their ability to appreciate some SP (I've seen a lot of negative hype
Æ >about them on rmi recently), what is it about Remission that everyone
Æ >finds so excellent. It might be that it's the last Puppy CD I acquired,
Æ >but still...I love Bites, I like B&F2, and I like selected parts of
Æ >Mind: TPI. But I really don't find Remission all that great. Maybe I'm
Æ >just weird.
Æ
Æ Right on, brother! I love Mind and Bites. Mind is what got me into them a
Æ couple years ago and Bites was an instant love the first time I heard it a
Æ month ago.
Just to argue with you, I think Bites is a piece of crap compared to
Remission. Sure, there are some great tracks on it, notably Assimilate,
Dead Lines, and The Choke. So much of it is filler though... dumb, very
repetitive tracks which have some sample being played over and over again
(e.g. Church, Love, et al.). On the other hand, Remission is much more
compact, and almost everything on it is good. Not to mention that I just
really love the songs Smothered Hope and Far Too Frail.
The reason Remission works so well for me is that SP was able to use
conventional song structures in a not-so-conventional way. Most of the
songs fit into the verse-chorus-verse-chorus format (didn't I say this
already?), but they don't just sound like generic rock songs. They have a
lot of drive and kick.
Thin White "pornography is a matter of artistic creativity" Duke
(np: "Revolution" -- Sub Dub)
dbk
>Dead Lines, and The Choke. So much of it is filler though... dumb, very
>repetitive tracks which have some sample being played over and over again
>(e.g. Church, Love, et al.). On the other hand, Remission is much more
>compact, and almost everything on it is good. Not to mention that I just
>really love the songs Smothered Hope and Far Too Frail.
I can understand most of what you said, even if it doesn't apply to my
listening impression...
But Love? Love? That is definitely one of my absolute, all time, favorite
SP tracks... Right next to God's Gift [maggot]. I most certainly credit those
two songs for sparking passion for SP within myself.
C-ko Linde
> But Love? Love? That is definitely one of my absolute, all time, favorite
> SP tracks... Right next to God's Gift [maggot]. I most certainly credit
those
> two songs for sparking passion for SP within myself.
I really get into that song because of its moodiness, and the one sample,
"Touch me, or I'll find someone who will!" I'm not usually one to get into
samples in songs, but that one sample, in that context, really
(emotionally) moves me, because it describes PERFECTLY a couple recent
relationsips I was in. But then again, being female, thus a great minority
in the rivethead scene, I have kindof a unique perspective on the song.
It's definitely one of my favorites.
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On 23 Jan 1997, Michael J. Heidenreich wrote:
> Just to add to the mass of people that have been questioning
> their ability to appreciate some SP (I've seen a lot of negative hype
> about them on rmi recently), what is it about Remission that everyone
> finds so excellent.
it's not a matter of when you managed to add remission to your collection
(it was around the middle for me) or anything like that. remission is
just a great album (and undeniably better than bites) there's not a single
wasted track. from beginning to end, it's just amazing. the synths, the
spooky horn...everything is *there.*
also, you can hear where puppy began. you can hear certain ideas that
would latter emerge on the puppy men's work. and, the capper, you get
the first appearance of bill "gluh" leeb! all that for only $10.00.
> Maybe I'm just weird.
uhm
> MJH (Off topic, I love the new Chemlab more every time I hear it.)
yes, you are weird, but i won't hold it against you. :-)
dbk
>it's not a matter of when you managed to add remission to your collection
>(it was around the middle for me) or anything like that. remission is
>just a great album (and undeniably better than bites) there's not a single
>wasted track. from beginning to end, it's just amazing. the synths, the
>spooky horn...everything is *there.*
Of course when you added a cd to your collection is important! Most
definitely. Surely. It's easy to get something at the wrong time and it
doesn't click. It's easy to buy a back cataloge from a band at the wrong time
in connection with what else you already own and are into.
It is fairly easy to see why this is true... the Bites vs Remission ideas
bouncing around here show this very well. I got Bites first and just recently
purchased Remission. Bites was after alot of other stuff and it was an instant
love. Remission was after Bites and sounds like Bites... what is the instant
attraction in that? Sure it's good. I think it's compact and slick, but Bites
came at a time where falling in love with its construction and samples was
easy. Remission, on the other hand, has to fight to make itself heard over
Bites and that's isn't exactly easy.
mcb...@geneseo.net
Brian Corbett wrote:
>
> > -Dave, the only guy in the world who hated the Beatles -
>
> No way!!! The Beatles sucked and I know LOTS of people who'd say the same.
>
Add me to that list! People have yelled at me for saying they sucked.
Same with Grateful Dead. At the school where I go, you can commit
suicide by saying the magic words...."I'm glad Jerry Garcia is dead..."
Colin McBride
geneseo.il.usa.
Thin White Duke
In article <5cbb5i$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, kil...@uiuc.edu (dbk) wrote:
Æ >it's not a matter of when you managed to add remission to your collection
Æ >(it was around the middle for me) or anything like that. remission is
Æ >just a great album (and undeniably better than bites) there's not a single
Æ >wasted track. from beginning to end, it's just amazing. the synths, the
Æ >spooky horn...everything is *there.*
Æ
Æ Of course when you added a cd to your collection is important! Most
Æ definitely. Surely. It's easy to get something at the wrong time and it
Æ doesn't click. It's easy to buy a back cataloge from a band at the wrong
time
Æ in connection with what else you already own and are into.
Æ
Æ It is fairly easy to see why this is true... the Bites vs Remission ideas
Æ bouncing around here show this very well. I got Bites first and just
recently
Æ purchased Remission. Bites was after alot of other stuff and it was an
instant
Æ love. Remission was after Bites and sounds like Bites... what is the instant
Æ attraction in that? Sure it's good. I think it's compact and slick, but
Bites
Æ came at a time where falling in love with its construction and samples was
Æ easy. Remission, on the other hand, has to fight to make itself heard over
Æ Bites and that's isn't exactly easy.
With all due respect, Rarped, I don't know what the fuck you're talking
about. I don't remember the order in which I purchased the CDs, but it's
entirely possible that I got Bites before Remission. However, Remission
outclasses Bites by so much that I don't see how you can say that it "has
to fight to make itself heard." Remission is my third fave SP CD, right
behind VIVIsectVI and TDP. Bites is probably my second to least favorite
(only Mind: TPI being worse). Hell, there's more good material on Rabies
than on Bites. Even the 'hits' on Bites, Assimilate and The Choke, are
nowhere near as good as Smothered Hope.
Thin White "off to see the Swans" Duke
(np: "Windowpane" -- Coil)
dbk
>With all due respect, Rarped, I don't know what the fuck you're talking
>about. I don't remember the order in which I purchased the CDs, but it's
>entirely possible that I got Bites before Remission. However, Remission
>outclasses Bites by so much that I don't see how you can say that it "has
>to fight to make itself heard." Remission is my third fave SP CD, right
>behind VIVIsectVI and TDP. Bites is probably my second to least favorite
>(only Mind: TPI being worse). Hell, there's more good material on Rabies
>than on Bites. Even the 'hits' on Bites, Assimilate and The Choke, are
>nowhere near as good as Smothered Hope.
Ok, I think I know what you missed in my last post. The point I am trying to
make is that the order in which you purchase cd's does not influence their
actual musical worth, but simply what you may get out of them. And since a cd
is really only worth what it is to you, and not musically, this is my point.
When I say Remission has to "fight to make itself heard" is not a judgement of
Bites vs Remission in the musical sense, but simply a personal roll of tastes.
I got and fell in love with Bites first. It will be difficult for Remission,
which is quite similar in that it is early SP, to overcome the initial impact
which Bites had on me. This factor goes beyond any arguments which one
may propose why Bites is less than Remission. Y'know... beauty in the eye of
the beholder and all that good stuff. I'm not going to dissect your post on
what songs I love more than others, because this is just what happend to me and
doesn't appear to apply to many others. I mean really now... both of us know
very very well that the opinions on the SP best albumn are as varied as
anything that I have ever heard! I rarely see such rampant disagreement on
this topic applied to other bands, but SP seems quite different for some reason
or other. What you are arguing is musical tastes, when I was simply trying to
explain to the original poster is that: yes, the purchase order has had a
definite affect on my favorites here and there.
PainPete
Well, I personally have a love-hate relationship with Skinny Puppy. And
coincidentally you did get the recordings of theirs I like the least (But
Last Rights RULES though as a sort of retrospective of all their ideas of
the past and is very good as an experimental album. Try it on sleep
depravation if nothing else). Rabies I don't like at all (at least as a
whole - and I have heard neither do they). Vivisect seems to be many
people's fave but I don't personally get into it (VX Gas Attack is kind of
nifty, so is Stella's Home) - I don't know what you are looking for so I
don't know what to recommend...but...
I love Cleanse Fold and Manipulate, partially because it was the first SP
I ever heard. (And I was a depressed basketcase at the time it came out,
and taking acid and smoking pot and skipping classes, etc etc etc). But
after I got out of that phase Ogre seemed more like a fucked up
pretentious idiot who I shouldn't be paying much attention to. But I still
love the album for its place in my personal development. Then I had no
choice but to go backwards (there was nothing else out yet) - I really
love Mind the Perpetual Intercourse - "Burnt w/Water" - Arrrrgh, yes!!!!
"Maggott" Arrrgh, the sweet pain and agony!!! - The early stuff is
interesting but I don't like listening to it quite as much. I think they
fell prey to something (drugs, anger, infighting, lack of new ideas, less
real enjoyment of what they were doing, who knows ?????) right after
"Cleanse" and they didn't come full circle again until Last Rights (which
is not the best one to be initiated on, perhaps). That's the way it sounds
to my humble ears, anyway.
cevin Key (sp?) is a genious though. His side projects (particularly the
first two Tear Garden recordings with Edward Ka-Spell of Legendary Pink
Dots) are just incredible, though more ambient than SP. Electronic Sid
Barrett, almost?
Pete
Greebo
Michael J. Heidenreich <mjhe...@mtu.edu> wrote:
: Just to add to the mass of people that have been questioning
: their ability to appreciate some SP (I've seen a lot of negative hype
: about them on rmi recently), what is it about Remission that everyone
: finds so excellent. It might be that it's the last Puppy CD I acquired,
: but still...I love Bites, I like B&F2, and I like selected parts of
: Mind: TPI. But I really don't find Remission all that great. Maybe I'm
: just weird.
It's catchy. It's tunefull. I'ts got Ogre doing lyircs and vocals unlike
any other he would ever do. ANd i personally dig that slightly-cheesey
80's feel (ie, Far too Frail).
Awesome album!
-greebo
--
mind the perpetual greebo
\/\/\/gre...@teleport.com
downfall
On 24 Jan 1997, dbk wrote:
> Of course when you added a cd to your collection is important! Most
> definitely. Surely. It's easy to get something at the wrong time and it
> doesn't click. It's easy to buy a back cataloge from a band at the wrong time
> in connection with what else you already own and are into.
uhm...i realize it's possible to get an album at the wrong time, but if
you're into industrial and you happen upon remission and you don't like
it, than it's fairly safe to say, you probably won't ever take a liking to
it. the concepts on remission aren't that radical (especially if you've
been listening to "industrial music" for any period of time) and, as a
result, the "disliking" of said album would more than likely spring
forward from personal taste, than "timing."
let's continue this "timing" thing. i got bites and remission in exactly
that order. i had already found puppy's more radical work and fallen in
love with it. got bites and wasn't exactly thrilled by it. but a week
later i managed to find remission and bought it. it was an instant love
affair, but all the while i *despised* bites, because, quite frankly, it's
not that good. if timing mattered than ideally i wouldn't have like
either (because, they are very close to each other stylistically) but i
*loved* one and hated the other (to this day i'm still not fond of bites,
but continue to love remission even more). why is this? not timing. but
taste.
The Lord Leto II
In article <5cdtep$bsh$1...@nadine.teleport.com> Greebo <gre...@teleport.com> writes:
>Michael J. Heidenreich <mjhe...@mtu.edu> wrote:
>
>: Just to add to the mass of people that have been questioning
>: their ability to appreciate some SP (I've seen a lot of negative hype
>: about them on rmi recently), what is it about Remission that everyone
>: finds so excellent. It might be that it's the last Puppy CD I acquired,
>: but still...I love Bites, I like B&F2, and I like selected parts of
>: Mind: TPI. But I really don't find Remission all that great. Maybe I'm
>: just weird.
>
>
>It's catchy. It's tunefull. I'ts got Ogre doing lyircs and vocals unlike
>any other he would ever do. ANd i personally dig that slightly-cheesey
>80's feel (ie, Far too Frail).
The only thing wrong with Remission is the hissing going on...
There are lots of great things about it -- it's a bit more
classically musically structured than other albums...and sounds
like a completely different band than for example VIVIsectVI.
"Smothered Hope" is just immediately catchy...and "Ice Breaker"
is eerily beautiful. "Film" is AMAZING and "Manwhole" is good,
too. Good stuff there.
>Awesome album!
Yes it is! But someone needs to work on it digitally and
remove all that noise...
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dbk
>uhm...i realize it's possible to get an album at the wrong time, but if
>you're into industrial and you happen upon remission and you don't like
>it, than it's fairly safe to say, you probably won't ever take a liking to
>it. the concepts on remission aren't that radical (especially if you've
Fairly safe to say? I think that is quite ridiculous. I finally got into
Aphex Twin _I Care Because You Do..._ two summers after I bought it. Why?
Because my tastes have expanded and developed somewhat in that area. A cd can
grow on you as your tastes switch to that area. A cd can become an instant hit
if you purchase it at the moment your tastes fit its mood exactly. Would that
not be the best way to achieve a truely emotional connection and passion for a
cd? One which jumps in your face, takes you by suprise, and attaches itself to
your soul forever?
>been listening to "industrial music" for any period of time) and, as a
>result, the "disliking" of said album would more than likely spring
>forward from personal taste, than "timing."
>
>let's continue this "timing" thing. i got bites and remission in exactly
>that order. i had already found puppy's more radical work and fallen in
>love with it. got bites and wasn't exactly thrilled by it. but a week
>later i managed to find remission and bought it. it was an instant love
>affair, but all the while i *despised* bites, because, quite frankly, it's
>not that good. if timing mattered than ideally i wouldn't have like
Your mistake here is to use your personal experience to counter my personal
experience. What are you thinking? I thought that I made it very clear that
this is not how I think SP is defined, but simply my impression of it. I'll
make the point again that there seems to be very very little agreement on this
ng as to "the best SP cd." If your news server goes back that far, you can read
a poll done not too long ago which will attest to this statement.
>either (because, they are very close to each other stylistically) but i
>*loved* one and hated the other (to this day i'm still not fond of bites,
>but continue to love remission even more). why is this? not timing. but
>taste.
You make the statement that if timing was everything, than you would hate
both. But don't you see...? If taste was everything, than you would have to
either like both or hate both. You admit yourself that they are very similar
stylistically, yet you base your like for one and dislike on the other not on
timing... but on taste? If they are very similar, than it is silly to say that
taste is what influenced your attraction to Remission and repelled you from
Bites. What did change in your situation was the timing, not the taste.
This is a great topic. I love thinking about this stuff and I can really see
how this could continue to develop. I don't think that I've outlined everything
that I have to say on this yet, and would love to talk over any additional ideas
anyone would care to chime in...
The Lord Leto II
In article <32E6AF...@cs.usask.ca> Anton <aeo...@cs.usask.ca> writes:
>Ishmael Schulte wrote:
>>
>> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
>> kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
>> Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
>> Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
>> This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
>> anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
Hmm...it'd be nice to know bands you *do* like. Rabies is generally
regarded as Not Their Best Album...but VIVIsectVI is a real gem.
Listen to songs ~5 or so times, and you start to get a fell for
them...the songs aren't predictable or repetitive, and the
rhythms are complex and the sounds are weird. Lots of listens
will clue you in. On the other hand, maybe you just don't like it. :)
I didn't like it the first listen, but it grows on you...
Check out their first real album, "Remission" -- it's more
melodic. Their latest, "The Process", has more guitars and
a nineties sound, along with less distortion in the vocals.
Mark Pippins
Aak
<If you still really want to check out some SP, though, you should go
for
<the early stuff, _Remission_ and _Bites_ (the two separate albums by
those
<names, not the compilation which is called _Remission and Bites_).
What am I missing if I have Remission and Bites compilation. I have
that right now and the CD Bites since I couldn't find remission. Am I
missing somthing important?
<Thin White "please tell me that you at least like Testure" Duke
Love and Peace
Aak
dbk
>What am I missing if I have Remission and Bites compilation. I have
>that right now and the CD Bites since I couldn't find remission. Am I
>missing somthing important?
I'm usually not very good at answering these kinda questions, but since I
recently looked at the track listings to determine this for myself [and went
the Bites and Remission separate cd route instead] I do remember one song in
particular... The Centre Bullet is not available on those double cd's, which I
think is an incredible shame. That is one of the best songs of that type I
have ever heard. By that type, I mean just slower and easing. Absolutely
fantastic. Even a big Intelligent Dance fan on my dorm floor heard that song
and really got into it. It is incredibly calming... soothing. Drifts me to
sleep. This is somewhat another crack in the face for the fans of Remission, I
guess ;) but a good example of what really turned me on to Bites.
downfall
On 26 Jan 1997, dbk wrote:
> Fairly safe to say? I think that is quite ridiculous. I finally got into
> Aphex Twin _I Care Because You Do..._ two summers after I bought it. Why?
> Because my tastes have expanded and developed somewhat in that area. A cd can
> grow on you as your tastes switch to that area. A cd can become an instant hit
> if you purchase it at the moment your tastes fit its mood exactly. Would that
> not be the best way to achieve a truely emotional connection and passion for a
> cd? One which jumps in your face, takes you by suprise, and attaches itself to
> your soul forever?
there are some albums which can not, nor will not, become personal
favorites. imho bites is one of these albums. taste doesn't *always*
evolve over time. somethings just won't happen. imho bites is one of
these albums...that's why i stated it doesn't matter when it was bought.
i just find it really unappealing. and i've given time it's chance to
alter my taste, but it just isn't happening. bites is bland.
> Your mistake here is to use your personal experience to counter my personal
> experience. What are you thinking? I thought that I made it very clear that
> this is not how I think SP is defined, but simply my impression of it. I'll
> make the point again that there seems to be very very little agreement on this
> ng as to "the best SP cd." If your news server goes back that far, you can read
> a poll done not too long ago which will attest to this statement.
oh, i realize that there is no agreement on which puppy is the best
(though, for some odd reason, bites and rabies almost always end up
towards the bottom of peoples list [but i happen to like bites])...but
when that thread about best puppy was going around i'm fairly certain
vivisectvi, mind: tpi, last rights, tdp, cleanse fold and manipulate and
even remission made the top at some point or another.
> You make the statement that if timing was everything, than you would hate
> both. But don't you see...? If taste was everything, than you would have to
> either like both or hate both. You admit yourself that they are very similar
not necessarily...as the *songs* on bites offend my tastes, whereas
remission fits in there quite nicely...the style, i'm quite fond of, just
the execution on remission leaves a little to be desired.
remission contains some of my favorite puppy tracks of all time, and some
very important moments in industrial music, bites seems to lack what
remission obtained. on bites it seemed like they were content making
music, but on remission they seemed like they wanted to move mountains
(like they did on their future works, too dark park and last
rights). to this day a certain ammount of awe overcomes me when i hear
those records, but nothing happens with bites. it's not improving over
age.
i've thought about this a lot over the last few days. taste vs. timing (i
know this comes as a shock, that i think [especially to that wax trax kid,
who's all but convinced i'm a cold, thoughtless bastard]). ultimately
i've decided that taste has a *lot* more to do with likes and dislikes
than timing does...though the pendulum can swing either way. ie. if it's
the right "time" to buy the album than your tastes will bend, allowing
room in your heart for said album, but ultimately your "tastes" return to
"normal" once conditions have stabalized (unless, of course, you've
actively ammended your tastes. ie. changing music genres).
there is not one right or wrong answer when it comes to why we like
certain things, or why we ultimately dislike certian things. there are no
rules. there are no boundaries to what we like. things can change.
things will not. but damnit, i know i will probably never like bites.
-downfall (i hope that all makes sense)
James Cooney
In article <Pine.OSF.3.93.970127...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> downfall <ew20...@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> writes:
>i've thought about this a lot over the last few days. taste vs. timing (i
>know this comes as a shock, that i think [especially to that wax trax kid,
>who's all but convinced i'm a cold, thoughtless bastard]). ultimately
>i've decided that taste has a *lot* more to do with likes and dislikes
>than timing does...though the pendulum can swing either way. ie. if it's
>the right "time" to buy the album than your tastes will bend, allowing
>room in your heart for said album, but ultimately your "tastes" return to
>"normal" once conditions have stabalized (unless, of course, you've
>actively ammended your tastes. ie. changing music genres).
I think timing does have a lot to do with it though. I got a number of
stuff when i was first getting into industrial (i got 242's Off, Ministry's
Psalm 69, and Skinny Puppy's last rights in one sitting). I sorta liked
Ministry's Psalm 69 immidiatly (not all songs, but god, you have to love
N.W.O. IMO. At any rate, I also liked the danceable 242 songs (animal,
etc.). I didn't really like Last Rights at all. Still, I got two more
Puppy albums afterwords. Too Dark Park, then 12" Anthology. I like Too
Dark Park. I LOVED 12" Anthology. At any rate, when I went back and
listened to Last Rights again. There was a lot more there that time.
I can't really explain it, but I found a lot more in songs like Inquisition
and Download when I first listened. Now, I almost never listen to
Ministry. I still like the 242 about the same as when I first got it.
I like Last Rights a hell of a lot more. Maybe not timing, but your
tolerance level. I'm starting to get into Japonoise stuff now (Merzbow,
Aube) that I NEVER could have standed when I first got into "industrial".
bah, my two cents.
np: scar tissue: choking on fate
dbk
>there are some albums which can not, nor will not, become personal
>favorites. imho bites is one of these albums. taste doesn't *always*
>evolve over time. somethings just won't happen. imho bites is one of
>these albums...that's why i stated it doesn't matter when it was bought.
>i just find it really unappealing. and i've given time it's chance to
>alter my taste, but it just isn't happening. bites is bland.
I understand what you are saying, but you need to realise that I never
intended to claim that Bites would ever become a popular cd with you!
Remission may very well be my "Bites," in that a connection will never be
made. I doubt this, of course. Remission will make its way into me because
of the excellence it has, but Bites will always be what I think of when I
think "old school puppy."
>oh, i realize that there is no agreement on which puppy is the best
>(though, for some odd reason, bites and rabies almost always end up
>towards the bottom of peoples list [but i happen to like bites])...but
>when that thread about best puppy was going around i'm fairly certain
>vivisectvi, mind: tpi, last rights, tdp, cleanse fold and manipulate and
>even remission made the top at some point or another.
Oh dear... you can't possibly expect the fact that a cd does manage to make
the top of the list to influence my vote in any way. I don't think that you
do expect this, but I just wanted to make this clear. I look to the overall
dissention among those votes to clarify my point.
>not necessarily...as the *songs* on bites offend my tastes, whereas
>remission fits in there quite nicely...the style, i'm quite fond of, just
>the execution on remission leaves a little to be desired.
I see. As long as you aren't holding them together stylistically anymore,
we can move on.
>than timing does...though the pendulum can swing either way. ie. if it's
>the right "time" to buy the album than your tastes will bend, allowing
>room in your heart for said album, but ultimately your "tastes" return to
>"normal" once conditions have stabalized (unless, of course, you've
>actively ammended your tastes. ie. changing music genres).
Well, I have to disagree that tastes can ever return to normal. Simply
having experienced a great emotional connection will alter you irrevocably.
Also, I didn't mean to say that the cd you buy has to expand your tastes for
timing to play a large role. I can very well see purchasing Bites on two
separate days and gaining little on one and much on the other. I'm still
just pushing the awesome emotional connection that sometimes sneaks up on
you. No one may fault me for liking Bites more than Remission as it is very
hard for me to explain what happend to cause the emotional connection. But
it is there...
>there is not one right or wrong answer when it comes to why we like
>certain things, or why we ultimately dislike certian things. there are no
>rules. there are no boundaries to what we like. things can change.
>things will not. but damnit, i know i will probably never like bites.
I understand very much so. But can you see my side? I may never like
Remission as much as Bites because of that intense connection with Bites.
Some cd's never get the full play they deserve.
I didn't say much new here, just smoothed out all the corners.
Y'know those first cd's that you bought that are not exactly within your
tastes and you might not purchase them again today, but they hold a dear
place in your heart? Timing... it goes beyond what your tastes are now and
what they were [which was non-existant].
downfall
On 28 Jan 1997, dbk wrote:
> I understand what you are saying, but you need to realise that I never
> intended to claim that Bites would ever become a popular cd with you!
i realise this...i was using it as a, well, crutch in my argument. seeing
as how they were two puppy discs, that are close in style, and bought
around the same time. i loved one, and disliked the other. ie. timing
didn't matter.
> Oh dear... you can't possibly expect the fact that a cd does manage to make
> the top of the list to influence my vote in any way. I don't think that you
> do expect this, but I just wanted to make this clear. I look to the overall
> dissention among those votes to clarify my point.
no...i was just going into detail about the voting, as i recalled it.
nothing more...nothing less.
> Well, I have to disagree that tastes can ever return to normal. Simply
> having experienced a great emotional connection will alter you irrevocably.
it's not out the norm for people to go through buying moods...ie. the
person is typically into death metal and all of the things that it
entails. finally, one day, out of the blue, they go out and buy a country
cd (possibly because their dog died) they listen to it for a while, and
even like it, for a bit...ultimately, though, they are likely to stop
listening to it, or sell it. because it strikes out against their normal
tendencies. timing loses out to taste.
but it is, very concievable, that this "timing" will result in a complete
upheaval in taste, as they might judge the albums they valued against the
back drop of the country album, and decide that they *are* country folk.
another example of timing losing out to taste. not too long ago, in an
article here, on this ng, someone mentioned that they absolutely adored
skinny puppy during a period of personnal pain and failings. ultimately,
when this period ended, this personal didn't feel inclined to listen, nor
like, puppy any more. again, timing losing out to taste.
> I understand very much so. But can you see my side? I may never like
> Remission as much as Bites because of that intense connection with Bites.
> Some cd's never get the full play they deserve.
i can see your side...very much so...and, in fact, part of my thesis
relies on *yours*...just mine continues on, and says that once emotional
conditions are more, well, normal, that your tastes will adjust and return
to "normal"...unless, of course, you actively seek to change your taste
during that period. (something i have done, quite often enough.)
-downfall
Mr. Hafnir
In article <5cj9kj$e...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, kil...@uiuc.edu (dbk) writes:
|>
|> >What am I missing if I have Remission and Bites compilation. I have
|> >that right now and the CD Bites since I couldn't find remission. Am I
|> >missing somthing important?
|>
|> I'm usually not very good at answering these kinda questions, but since I
|> recently looked at the track listings to determine this for myself [and went
|> the Bites and Remission separate cd route instead] I do remember one song in
|> particular... The Centre Bullet is not available on those double cd's, which I
|> think is an incredible shame. That is one of the best songs of that type I
|> have ever heard. By that type, I mean just slower and easing. Absolutely
Firstly, Centre Bullet is on Bites, so he's not missing it since he has Bites.
You might also mention that this is in fact the same song as is on Tear Garden's
Tired_Eyes,_Slowly_Burning , although sans the trademark Ed Ka-Spel lyrics.
Honestly I think the song's a lot more fun with Ed's lyrics. Now, checking an
old copy of Mr. Greg Clow's Skinny Puppy discography, it lists that Incision
and Manwhole are on Remission, but not on Bites&Remission. So there you go -
reason to go buy Remission.
hafnir.
PS: Sorry, I'm on the Bites side of the Bites/Remission war.
blacklight
kil...@uiuc.edu (dbk) wrote:
> Of course when you added a cd to your collection is important! Most
>definitely. Surely. It's easy to get something at the wrong time and it
>doesn't click. It's easy to buy a back cataloge from a band at the wrong time
>in connection with what else you already own and are into.
Agreed. I caught on to SP by hearing "Assimilate" (which still is my
fave) on a compilation. But then the first album I got was "Ain't It
Dead Yet", and that scared me away for a looong time.
2-3 years and 5-6 albums later it's starting to catch on. I still
think "Ain't It Dead Yet" is weird, but maybe I should let it have
another go.
At least the "one-track-concept" is sort of, well, innovative? :-)
(NP: Cradle Of Spoil "Engel fliegen durch die Nacht" from "1000
Jahre")
/blacklight
jons...@iprolink.ch
"I'm the figurehead on a ship of fools" - Covenant
"Been there, done that, seen it, heard it, pissed on it" - Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins
"I'm not interested" - Ichor
Donald & Leigh Anne Harvill
Aak wrote:
> Thin White Duke wrote:
> <If you still really want to check out some SP, though, you should go for
> <the early stuff, _Remission_ and _Bites_ (the two separate albums by those
> <names, not the compilation which is called _Remission and Bites_).
>
> that right now and the CD Bites since I couldn't find remission. Am I
> missing somthing important?
I have the CD of <Bites and Remission> (not the other way round) as
well, so the whole <Bites> vs. <Remission> debate seems quite silly to
me, as I have always thought of these two as one unit, and (obviously)
got them at the same time. According to a discography I found on the
WWW, the two tracks we are missing from <Remission> are "Manwhole" and
"Ice Breaker." So can someone with the full version of album let us in
on what we are missing? -- Donald R. Harvill
(Now Playing: Shriekback <The Best of Vol. 2: Evolution>)
Thin White Duke
Æ But really, it just doesn't seem that original or innovative. It's right up
Æ there with the worn out "let's hide a track past 5 minutes of silence at the
Æ end of the CD". Now the SMG "let's hide a track before the whole CD starts"
Æ idea was a bit better.
Actually, it was not SMG's idea. The first CD ever to have a bonus track
at the beginning was RarestOneBowie (or maybe it was ChangesOneBowie...?).
Before the first song, if you scanned back you could hear this snippet
collage of songs that was part of a comercial or BBC broadcast or something
like that.
Thin White Duke, a storehouse of Bowie trivia
(np: "Once The Red Dust Passes pt 1" -- Test Dept)
Mr. Hafnir
In article <32efd...@news.iprolink.ch>, jons...@iprolink.ch (blacklight) writes:
|> 2-3 years and 5-6 albums later it's starting to catch on. I still
|> think "Ain't It Dead Yet" is weird, but maybe I should let it have
|> another go.
Yes, you should. If you get/have the video, it makes much more sense, but I guess
either way. Actually, I almost never listen to the CD, prefering to just pop in
the video instead.
|> At least the "one-track-concept" is sort of, well, innovative? :-)
Well, actually I think Swans did this before Ain't It Dead Yet. I think the
Live 85 CD is one track. As usual, I don't have the CD around to check, though.
But really, it just doesn't seem that original or innovative. It's right up
there with the worn out "let's hide a track past 5 minutes of silence at the
end of the CD". Now the SMG "let's hide a track before the whole CD starts"
idea was a bit better. But Skinny Puppy kinda did that too, actually - although
by accident - when they first pressed Last Rights. I STILL haven't heard all
of Love In Vein (except live and the version on Brap). :)
hafnir.
Al Crawford
And lo, poohn...@washington.xtn.net spake unto the masses saying:
>
> I have the CD of <Bites and Remission> (not the other way round) as
> well,
He might well have had _Remission And Bites_ (rather than _Bites And
Remission_) as they're two different discs, with the former being the
PIAS 2-on-1 release. Different track listings, if I remember correctly,
but anyone who's got both the _Remission_ and _Bites_ CDs has everything
that was on the twofer.
Al
NP: Cyber-Tec - "Gargoyles"
--
Al Crawford - aw...@access.digex.net
http://www.access.digex.net/~awrc
"Art/Empire/Industry"
james wall
>According to a discography I found on the
>WWW, the two tracks we are missing from <Remission> are "Manwhole" and
>"Ice Breaker." So can someone with the full version of album let us in
>on what we are missing? -- Donald R. Harvill
The two best songs on either CD.
I prefer the Remission version of Manwhole [mainly because the Bites
version is like 20 seconds long], but the Bites version of Icebreaker
is far better ... dunno if it's some placebo type thing, but it seems
to be a different mix, it just feels far far meatier.
a lpha66@h unterlink.n et.a u
bury your head in the sand
bury your face in your hands
.N ewcastle, A ustralia.
phoenix.hawk
>> No way!!! The Beatles sucked and I know LOTS of people who'd say the
same.
>>
>Add me to that list! People have yelled at me for saying they sucked.
>Same with Grateful Dead. At the school where I go, you can commit
>suicide by saying the magic words...."I'm glad Jerry Garcia is dead..."
Wow, another old post I'm going to respond to (and in a similar manner).
The grateful dead and the beatles are about as far apart as you can get.
The Grateful Dead played retarded blues licks ad infinitum and threw in
their own (bad) music behind it. They were absolutely horrid.
The beatles were awesome. Well, not at first, but it is hard to find an
album as good as Magical Mystery Tour. John Lennon was the first
popular musician to a) put distortion on vocals (I am the Walrus) b)
record completely odd droning wierdness (revolution #9) c) loop things
backwards d) use foreign influences (tomorrow never knows) e) etc. etc.
And they were _so_ popular that everyone bought it and the music world
was changed forever. Without the beatles, pop music would never have
gone anywhere and we still would have the crap that Genesis was trying
to destroy in the first place.
Not only that, but it was great music. I would bet that anyone who
claims to like experimental/strange music and yet says the beatles are
pop crap has never listened to anything but "I wanna hold your hand"
which does, indeed, suck.
I defy anyone to tell me I am the Walrus is not awesome. (Of course, I
know someone will, but they will be wrong.)
phoenix.hawk
np: stereolab/nurse with wound - Animal or Vegetable (A wonderful wooden
Reason.....)
Rachel
Mark Pippins wrote:
> : >> Hi. I've been wondering why everyone seems to love Skinny Puppy. I'm
> : >> kind of new to industrial but i have Last Rights, ViviSect VI, and
> : >> Rabies. No offense to SP but I just do not like them at all.
> : >> Have I just gotten 3 bad SP albums in a row or what?
> : >> This has been bothering me for quite a while. I don't want to put down
> : >> anyone but I just don't see why people think SP are so great!
well it took me a long time to appreciate SP. First thing you need to
do is listen to Anthology about 10X.... It grows on you...eventually it
all does. Then you can't live without them. Especially when your
feeling bitter.
.rachel
a...@hem.passagen.se
In article <32F38A...@tuna.net>,
I agree fully. They must be listened to for quite a while before you can
truly see the greatness in them. The sole exception to this is their last
album "The Process" whch gets to you at once. That one is a masterpiece.
Especially "Death" and "Hardset head". Of course, this is my opinion and
as such it's always open for discussion.. :-)
I was lucky. The first I ever heard of Skinny Puppy was the first song on
"Mind: TPI" That one is quite different from their usual style and made
me try them out some more. Now I'm a true addict. :-)
A.T.J ---> worm like ticking art worth shit
we play upon the things we fear
the smell is foul where does it fit
screw yourself go screw yourself
no one should ever have to
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Inukschuk
I think y'all are missing one single point, which is that these albums
evolved over a band's career. When they started, they were in their early
20s, when they ended, early 30s. People change. Their ideas about music
change. Give them credit, okay? They were revolutionaries, in a sense, and
everything they have done has affected other bands and all of us in some
way. We wouldn't be talking about them if they didn't, right?
They are still Skinny Puppy. Period.
k.