Six Degrees of Adrian Sherwood
Francis X. Connor
Here's a fun game we can play.
I'm sure we're all familiar with the concept of "six degrees of
separation"; that every one of us is separated from every other person
by, at most, six individuals. I'm also sure most of us are familiar with
the concept of "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon", the currently trendy
collegiate time-waster that posits the _Footloose_ star as the center of
cinematic entertainment.
I believe it's time to explore how this concept can be applied to industrial.
In an opium-inspired vision I had last night, it was revealed to me that
Tackhead/Dub Syndicate mastermind Adrian Sherwood is, in fact, the
center of this genre we call industrial. Every industrial artist can,
with fewer than six connections, be related to Mr. Sherwood.
Take, for example, :wumpscut:
1. :wumpscut: consists of one Rudy R...
2. Rudy recently did a remix for Dive,
3. Dive's Dirk Ivens was in the Klinik with Marc Verhaeghen,
4. Verhaeghen was in Noise Unit with Bill Leeb,
5. Leeb was an early member of Skinny Puppy,
6. Skinny Puppy's single "Addiction" was remixed by...
ADRIAN SHERWOOD
See how this works? Through collaborations with other artists, Mr.
Sherwood can be tied to everyone. One more easy one:
Birmingham 6:
1. Their new album features the vocal/lyrical talents of Jean-Luc DeMeyer,
2. DeMeyer was a member of Front 242 with Richard 23,
3. R23 was an early member of Revolting Cocks with Al Jourgensen,
4. With Ministry, Jourgensen's _Twitch_ album was produced by....
ADRIAN SHERWOOD
To get the ball rolling here, I've attatched a list of bands in the hopes
that you, the denizens of rmi, can connect them to Mr. Sherwood. Hours
of fun and excitement will ensue!!!
For starters:
Laibach
Nurse With Wound
Meat Beat Manifesto
SPK
X-Marks the Pedwalk
THD
Das Ich
Severed Heads
and, of course, feel free to go off on your own tangents...
Good luck, and have fun y'all!!
Later,
Fran
No, I'm not finished my thesis yet...why do you ask?
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Francis X. Connor Career English Major George Washington University
P.A.L
Francis X. Connor <wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>
> To get the ball rolling here, I've attatched a list of bands in the hopes
> that you, the denizens of rmi, can connect them to Mr. Sherwood. Hours
> of fun and excitement will ensue!!!
>
> For starters:
> Laibach
> Nurse With Wound
> Meat Beat Manifesto
> SPK
> X-Marks the Pedwalk
> THD
> Das Ich
> Severed Heads
P.A.L
mela...@aol.com
In article <572td1$9...@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>, wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
(Francis X. Connor) writes:
>Here's a fun game we can play.
>
>I'm sure we're all familiar with the concept of "six degrees of
>separation"; that every one of us is separated from every other person
>by, at most, six individuals. I'm also sure most of us are familiar with
>the concept of "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon", the currently trendy
>collegiate time-waster that posits the _Footloose_ star as the center of
>cinematic entertainment.
>
>I believe it's time to explore how this concept can be applied to
industrial.
>
>
<cut>
> ADRIAN SHERWOOD
>
>To get the ball rolling here, I've attatched a list of bands in the hopes
>that you, the denizens of rmi, can connect them to Mr. Sherwood. Hours
>of fun and excitement will ensue!!!
>
>For starters:
>Laibach
>Nurse With Wound
>Meat Beat Manifesto
>SPK
>X-Marks the Pedwalk
>THD
>Das Ich
>Severed Heads
>and, of course, feel free to go off on your own tangents...
>
>Good luck, and have fun y'all!!
>
>Later,
>Fran
>No, I'm not finished my thesis yet...why do you ask?
>
>
Late one night some friends and myself tried to do this same thing with
industrial bands - only we decided to use Nivek Ogre as our impetus. Even
in our drunken stupor it took us only about five minutes to realize how
easy it was.
I have to admit, you picked some toughies! With one exception - MBM...
MeatBeatManifesto = Nothing Records = Trent Reznor = Adrian Sherwood
production.
We're still working on Severed Heads, NWW, and Das Ich...
Anybody care to help?
:mel
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mmar...@gmu.edu
locidot
>We're still working on Severed Heads, NWW, and Das Ich...
>Anybody care to help?
sure
NWW=Coil=Nothing=nin=Adrian Sherwood
loci
Jon Drukman
mela...@aol.com wrote:
> We're still working on Severed Heads, NWW, and Das Ich...
> Anybody care to help?
Severed Heads have helped out on many Skinny Puppy tracks
Adrian Sherwood remixed Skinny Puppy
easy.
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Jon Drukman / j...@cyborganic.com
Eric Brunick
In <57f00k$6...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> loc...@ix.netcom.com(locidot) writes:
>>We're still working on Severed Heads, NWW, and Das Ich...
>>Anybody care to help?
>sure
>NWW=Coil=Nothing=nin=Adrian Sherwood
^^^^^^^
you could chop the nothing right out since Coil has remixed NIN
stuff.
also, has Adrian Sherwood worked with Stereolab? if so,
it could be
NWW=Stereolab=Adrian,
due to "Crumb Duck", the NWW/Stereolab collab.
also,
Severed Heads = Skinny Puppy = Pigface = NIN = Sherwood
eric
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tgod...@evansville.net
> >We're still working on Severed Heads, NWW, and Das Ich...
> >Anybody care to help?
> sure
>
> NWW=Coil=Nothing=nin=Adrian Sherwood
>
And Severed Heads? Try this:
Severed Heads---->Skinny Puppy(Tom Ellard's co-production/assistance
on "Chainsaw,Assimilate, and Doubting Thomas "The Run" and "Come In
Peace")---->Adrian Sherwood. Wow. Cool game....
Chris Brown
Eric Brunick wrote:
>
> In <57f00k$6...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> loc...@ix.netcom.com(locidot) writes:
>
> >>We're still working on Severed Heads, NWW, and Das Ich...
> >>Anybody care to help?
> >sure
>
> >NWW=Coil=Nothing=nin=Adrian Sherwood
>
> you could chop the nothing right out since Coil has remixed NIN
> stuff.
>
> also, has Adrian Sherwood worked with Stereolab? if so,
> it could be
>
> NWW=Stereolab=Adrian,
talking about "adrian sherwood, who also worked with nin, worked on the
new sterolab"
Mr. Tangent
mela...@aol.com wrote:
>We're still working on Severed Heads, NWW, and Das Ich...
>Anybody care to help?
Severed Heads = Skinny Puppy = Adrian Sherwood
You see Severed Heads is Tom Ellard, who worked on Skinny Puppy's
'Bites' album. Skinny Puppy later had Deep Down Trauma Hounds
produced, engineered and mixed by Adrian Sherwood. Finished. Nurse
with Wound and Das Ich, I have no idea on.....someone else? Cool
game, by the way. Later.
Mr. Tangent
David Watson
Nurse With Wound's _Thunder Perfect Mind_ album
features John Balance of Coil
who has remixed Nine Inch Nails
whose debut album was co-produced by Adrian Sherwood.
I know nothing about Das Ich, otherwise I'd take a crack at that, too.
--
Dave Watson, Severed Heads Liberation Front (Re-release the _Stretcher_ EP!)
Frezier Balzoff (Ottawa), Ontario, Canada Email-...@Freenet.carleton.ca
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R. Colling
Mr. Tangent (tan...@getonthe.net) wrote:
: Nurse with Wound and Das Ich, I have no idea on.....someone else? Cool
: game, by the way. Later.
Skin", which was also cut-and-pasted by cEvin Key, which brings one to
Sherwood's work on early Puppy singles.
As for Nurse with Wound, isn't their stuff being re-released on
Invisible in the near future? That'd make it possible to make a chain
involving Pigface and Trent and... hmph.
Is it just me, or does this game always fall victim to the concept of a
hub? When you're talking about movies, people like Tommy Lee Jones, Tim
Roth, and Antonio Banderas invariably make it too easy to link too many
disparate people together; here, one is constantly running into Trent and
the Puppy gang.
-me
Thin White Duke
You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since they
*ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link to
Adrian Sherwood. Too simple.
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dbk
In article <dek17-02129...@sch.wien.rhno.columbia.edu>,
de...@columbia.edu says...
>
>You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since they
>*ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link to
Is this true? And why?
It isn't simply because of a linear timeline, is it? I would much rather
hear an explanation in musical terms, but I don't think that is possible.
Couldn't an "industrial" band exist which has never payed attention to SP?
Hrm, sounds like a "define industrial" trap. Nevermind!
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dbk
>You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since they
>*ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link to
>Adrian Sherwood. Too simple.
dbk
> rarped
Oh great, a fucking double post by me. I always look at multiple posts and
wonder, "What did some poor dumb fool do to possibly post their same crap
twice?" Well, now I know...
Eric Brunick
>You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since they
>*ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link to
>Adrian Sherwood. Too simple.
ok mr. smart guy, where has Laibach ripped off skinny puppy? or
einsturzende neubauten? or throbbing gristle? or spk? or coil?
James Cooney
>>You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since they
>>*ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link to
>>Adrian Sherwood. Too simple.
>ok mr. smart guy, where has Laibach ripped off skinny puppy? or
>einsturzende neubauten? or throbbing gristle? or spk? or coil?
But Coil has a link to NIN (remixing), which can also be used (as the above
quoted mentioned before I believe). Throbbing Gristle to Coil, which was
done above. Einsturzende Neubauten were discovered by Foetus, who
remixed NIN, and voila, Adrian Sherwood.
That was what the other guy was mentioning, everyone having to do with
SP or NIN.
tgod...@evansville.net
> But Coil has a link to NIN (remixing), which can also be used (as the above
> quoted mentioned before I believe). Throbbing Gristle to Coil, which was
> done above. Einsturzende Neubauten were discovered by Foetus, who
> remixed NIN, and voila, Adrian Sherwood.
Actually, you can forsake that Neubauten--Foetus--thru NIN to Sherwood
link....as Sherwood himself remixed Neubauten's "Yu Gung"...look on
the Thirsty Ear US reissue of EN's "Halber Mensch" CD. Great, classic
work.
Eric Brunick
>In article <581v1t$3...@maldoror.rsn.hp.com> co...@rsn.hp.com (Eric Brunick) writes:
>>>You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since they
>>>*ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link to
>>>Adrian Sherwood. Too simple.
>>ok mr. smart guy, where has Laibach ripped off skinny puppy? or
>>einsturzende neubauten? or throbbing gristle? or spk? or coil?
>But Coil has a link to NIN (remixing), which can also be used (as the above
>quoted mentioned before I believe). Throbbing Gristle to Coil, which was
>done above. Einsturzende Neubauten were discovered by Foetus, who
>remixed NIN, and voila, Adrian Sherwood.
you are right on all counts, but that wasn't what i was addressing. Let
me clarify:
i was contesting TWD's blanket statment. However, as i reread his
assertion, i realize that i missed the "after" (funny how those words
sneak in there) the first time, and since most of the bands that i
listed came before skinny puppy, they were not addressed by him.
>That was what the other guy was mentioning, everyone having to do with
>SP or NIN.
That was always understood. I mistook TWD's blanket to be king size,
when it only covered a twin bed.
Mark Pippins
>>In <dek17-02129...@sch.wien.rhno.columbia.edu>
>>de...@columbia.edu(Thin White Duke) writes:
>>You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since
>>they *ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link
>>to Adrian Sherwood. Too simple.
>>ok mr. smart guy, where has Laibach ripped off skinny puppy? or
>>einsturzende neubauten? or throbbing gristle? or spk? or coil?
>>eric
I really think that he's talking about bands that came around *after*
Skinny Puppy (he writes painfully in tin while listening to Bad Brains)
really started to come off. Say like post-NIN (AN from hereonout)bands,
just after the Zoth Ommog crew went techno. As for the bands that you
named, Skinny Puppy uses techniques and methodologies that some of those
people originated, as well as refining a number of their own. What recent
bands can say even that? What AN 'industrial' bands can you compare in
complexity and ability to skinny puppy? Please tell me, because after
Zoth died out for me, I pretty much went back to checking out older shit
by *harder* bands and new rap. I'm not trying to flame you, 'cause you're
dying for me to talk about adrian and flood and depeche...oops!
Mark
'Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweeds'
The Meat Puppets
Thin White Duke
In article <582ji9$3...@maldoror.rsn.hp.com>, co...@rsn.hp.com (Eric
Brunick) wrote:
< That was always understood. I mistook TWD's blanket to be king size,
< when it only covered a twin bed.
And Billy thinks he owns RMI...Ha! I didn't even have to correct your
misreading of my post because my minions did it for me. But still, you
admitted your mistake, and you made a very nice metaphor, so you are
forgiven.
Thin White "I'm Jesus Christ on X-tasy" Duke
(np: "Edge of Insanity" - Skinny Puppy)
Brian MacDonald
I don't think TG or EN or Coil are bands "after" Skinny Puppy
anyway.
Hell, Skinny Puppy and the Wooden Tops are just two degrees
of seperation away from Sherwood.
Even more heck, Mick f&*kin JAGGER and Skinny Puppy are
two degrees apart thanks to Sherwood. (the former being
involved in Tackhead's embarrassing "Strange Things" album)
Adrian Sherwood might as well be the "industrial" Kevin Bacon.
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KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County
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Chris Woodfield
> >>In <dek17-02129...@sch.wien.rhno.columbia.edu>
> >>de...@columbia.edu(Thin White Duke) writes:
>
> >>You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since
> >>they *ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link
> >>to Adrian Sherwood. Too simple.
>
In addition to Al Jourgensen; remember, Sherwood produced _Twitch_.
Eric Lyman
>But Coil has a link to NIN (remixing), which can also be used (as the above
>quoted mentioned before I believe). Throbbing Gristle to Coil, which was
>done above. Einsturzende Neubauten were discovered by Foetus, who
>remixed NIN, and voila, Adrian Sherwood.
Neubauten have a direct link to Mr. Sherwood: he remixed Yü-Gung. Still, the
above works, too. I wouldn't go so far to say that Foetus discovered
EN, though.
eric
Chris Christian
som...@burgoyne.com (Eric Lyman) writes:
>Neubauten have a direct link to Mr. Sherwood: he remixed Yü-Gung. Still, the
>above works, too. I wouldn't go so far to say that Foetus discovered
>EN, though.
It was through the diligent work of Mr. Jim Thirlwell that EN received
their very first album deal. Technically that might not be considered
'discovered', but it is darn near close.
Jester
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Thin White Duke
In article <58fjgo$1...@news.co.intel.com>, cj...@ssd.intel.com (Chris
Christian) wrote:
Æ som...@burgoyne.com (Eric Lyman) writes:
Æ >Neubauten have a direct link to Mr. Sherwood: he remixed Yü-Gung. Still, the
Æ >above works, too. I wouldn't go so far to say that Foetus discovered
Æ >EN, though.
Æ
Æ It was through the diligent work of Mr. Jim Thirlwell that EN received
Æ their very first album deal. Technically that might not be considered
Æ 'discovered', but it is darn near close.
Yeah, but wasn't it through the diligent work of Chris Randall that Gravity
Kills got their first album deal... or is that just an unsubstantiated
rumor? :)
Lucky Locke
On 8 Dec 1996 23:38:00 GMT Chris Christian wrote in rec.music.industrial :
: It was through the diligent work of Mr. Jim Thirlwell that EN received
: their very first album deal. Technically that might not be considered
: 'discovered', but it is darn near close.
Not to be nitpicky, but Einstuerzende Neubauten had an album (and several
other records) out already when Mr. Thirlwell introduced them into the
English market in 1983. But since the German music scene lost interest in
German music (esp. with German lyrics) and therefore the Neubauten
couldn't go on like they did, it would be fair to say he 'discovered' them.
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Evanescence
> In article <dek17-02129...@sch.wien.rhno.columbia.edu>,
> de...@columbia.edu says...
> >
> >You can link any industrial band after Skinny Puppy back to SP, since they
> >*ALL* ripped off SP in some way. From there you have a direct link to
>
> Is this true? And why?
>
>
Stop being so fucking anal. Why does everything have to go back to/is
spawned by SP? What about the real influences? TG. EN. Even KJ. There is a
world out there you loser.
For fucks sake..get a grip.
RTH
--
To beginnings...and endings...and the wisdom to know the difference
Brian MacDonald
tekno...@hotmail.com (Evanescence) wrote:
>In article <57tvil$b...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, kil...@uiuc.edu (dbk) wrote:
>Stop being so fucking anal. Why does everything have to go back to/is
>spawned by SP? What about the real influences? TG. EN. Even KJ. There is a
>world out there you loser.
>For fucks sake..get a grip.
>RTH
Whose being anal now?
I just saw this whole thread as a trivial little game to play. I
don't think any point about Skinny Puppy being "forefathers"
was made at all. And if so, how does that make that "anal"?
I think his/(her?) point was that the boys in Puppy happened
to do a lot of stuff with lots of other people in this lil'
"industrial" microcosm... That's all.
Amy L Hanauer
Evanescence (tekno...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> Stop being so fucking anal. Why does everything have to go back to/is
> spawned by SP? What about the real influences? TG. EN. Even KJ. There is a
> world out there you loser.
well i probably wouldn't have been so abrasive, but he does have a point.
look skinny puppy was a superb band. but i am very very very sick of this
"skinny puppy is god," and "holier than thou" attitude that a lot of
skinny puppy fans have.
sure, people have been influenced by skinny puppy. that doesn't make them
bad, that is actually pretty cool..and says something about the merit of
skinny puppy.
however i don't wanna hear, "skinny puppy is the only band to do
this..blah blah blah" if you don't wanna hear the rest of industrial music
and stay in your shallow holes, be my guest, but ill just keep my ears
open, regardless of who influenced who.
Amy
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dbk
>however i don't wanna hear, "skinny puppy is the only band to do
>this..blah blah blah" if you don't wanna hear the rest of industrial music
>and stay in your shallow holes, be my guest, but ill just keep my ears
>open, regardless of who influenced who.
Now I'm not a "beyond belief" SP enthusiast, but I really disagree with
statements that refer to music preference as a "shallow hole!" One should be
*appluaded* for that level of fandome, not damned. You might be a bit tired of
it, but understand the level of enjoyment that the individual garners from his
fav band and his wish to convey that to you...
Amy L Hanauer
dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
>
> >however i don't wanna hear, "skinny puppy is the only band to do
> >this..blah blah blah" if you don't wanna hear the rest of industrial music
> >and stay in your shallow holes, be my guest, but ill just keep my ears
> >open, regardless of who influenced who.
>
> Now I'm not a "beyond belief" SP enthusiast, but I really disagree with
> statements that refer to music preference as a "shallow hole!" One should be
> *appluaded* for that level of fandome, not damned. You might be a bit tired
of
> it, but understand the level of enjoyment that the individual garners from hi
s
> fav band and his wish to convey that to you...
no, that's not my point. i'm just sick of the fact that many sp fans i
know think sp is the only industrial band that ever lived, and the rest
that follow is crap, because they "stole from sp!" that's such bullshit,
and it's a holier than thou attitude.
believe me i know about enjoying a band and all..but there's a level of
stupidity that goes along with some people. and just because a band came
first, does not make them gods. and i'm tired of seeing that.
Amy
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then there is not a rope in front of me and there is not an alligator
behind me and there is not a girl sitting at the edge eating a hot dog and
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couldn't come and say Peachy to me anymore and after all she has a brother
who believes in hope."
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Death:The High Cost of Living
Thin White Duke
In article <596c6v$2...@news.nyu.edu>, alh...@is5.nyu.edu (Amy L Hanauer) wrote:
Æ no, that's not my point. i'm just sick of the fact that many sp fans i
Æ know think sp is the only industrial band that ever lived, and the rest
Æ that follow is crap, because they "stole from sp!" that's such bullshit,
Æ and it's a holier than thou attitude.
Æ
Æ believe me i know about enjoying a band and all..but there's a level of
Æ stupidity that goes along with some people. and just because a band came
Æ first, does not make them gods. and i'm tired of seeing that.
It is a holier than thou attitude, and it's absolutely correct. You people
have failed to realize the sarcasm and intended abrasiveness of my message
that started this whole conversation. Yes, there are a very few original
industrial bands that have started in the last decade, but not bloody many.
Skinny Puppy did not come first, although they were the most important
pioneers of industrial in North America. But they have bestowed their
ubiquitous influence, in one way or another, on *every* industrial act that
followed them, although some rip them off more blatantly than others.
Go listen to Remission,
Thin White Duke
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hope raudive
Thin White Duke wrote:
> It is a holier than thou attitude, and it's absolutely correct. You people
> have failed to realize the sarcasm and intended abrasiveness of my message
> that started this whole conversation. Yes, there are a very few original
> industrial bands that have started in the last decade, but not bloody many.
> Skinny Puppy did not come first, although they were the most important
> pioneers of industrial in North America. But they have bestowed their
> ubiquitous influence, in one way or another, on *every* industrial act that
> followed them, although some rip them off more blatantly than others.
yay!!! this is *so* true...i have yet to hear an "industrial" album that
isn't incoherence or banging on metal (i.e. gristle or neubauten
influenced) that doesn't reflect a lot of what skinny puppy was doing 13
years ago...listening to their early stuff like remission and bites, it's
just amazing thinking that most of those songs were just cevin playing a
lot of stuff at the same time and ogre singing over it...i think cevin
deserves some serious royaltees, come to think of it, from a *lot* of
people...
and, for "proof" that at least one "band" has blatantly ripped-off puppy,
how 'bout trent's covers of "dig it" and "smothered hope" that he titled
"down in it" and "head like a hole"...watching old puppy videos, it's
obvious he even ripped ideas right out of them, especially the d.i.t. and
h.l.a.h. videos...
that doesn't make newer industrial any worse (although i *thought* i was
tired of the same old shit 5 years ago, and now that i'm catching up it's
even worse)...it just means that a *lot* of bands were influenced greatly
by puppy
love,
hope (struggling with that 3:30 AM incoherence)
chaos in beauty
the raudive voices info. page
http://info.pitt.edu/~jwmst37/Voices.htm
Amy L Hanauer
hope raudive (jwm...@pitt.edu) wrote:
> and, for "proof" that at least one "band" has blatantly ripped-off puppy,
> how 'bout trent's covers of "dig it" and "smothered hope" that he titled
> "down in it" and "head like a hole"...watching old puppy videos, it's
> obvious he even ripped ideas right out of them, especially the d.i.t. and
> h.l.a.h. videos...
yes this is true..but that doesn't mean they are the only band out
there...to have done this...i'm just sick of some fan's attitudes that the
only industrial band ever that meant anything was skinny puppy.
Disease Factory of Velvet Acid Christ
>and, for "proof" that at least one "band" has blatantly ripped-off puppy,
>how 'bout trent's covers of "dig it" and "smothered hope" that he titled
>"down in it" and "head like a hole"...watching old puppy videos, it's
>obvious he even ripped ideas right out of them, especially the d.i.t. and
>h.l.a.h. videos...
If you think NIN even remotly sounds like Puppy, I will have you
stripped, Sanatized, and shot..
NIN sounds nothing like Puppy. Puppy is not as formulatic.. Puppy
follows and invents their own rules... NIN is pop dance music..
NIN has good songs, but they cannot touch puppy, or even sounds like
puppy..
Disease Factory ov http://ra.nilenet.com/~vactoxic/vac.htm
hope raudive
Disease Factory of Velvet Acid Christ wrote:
> NIN has good songs, but they cannot touch puppy, or even sounds like
> puppy..
duh...i would say the current ratio of puppy CD's to nin CD's in my CD
collection would attest to that (btw, to brag, it's 15:3, er, 5:1 at the
moment, until i get copies of the out of print stuff (and not counting
tear garden and dt stuff...or the subconscious sampler...i'm pining for
the promo. to come out))
i wasn't saying that nin sounds *anything* like puppy...i just meant that
head like a hole was a ripoff of smothered hope and that down in it was a
ripoff of dig it...nothing more (if you watch the videos back-to-back,
you'll get it, trust me)
love,
hope
Mark Pippins
: there...to have done this...i'm just sick of some fan's attitudes that the
: only industrial band ever that meant anything was skinny puppy.
:
: Amy
Understood, certainly, but who, post-sp, does?
Mark
hope raudive
Disease Factory of Velvet Acid Christ wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> >i wasn't saying that nin sounds *anything* like puppy...i just meant that
> >head like a hole was a ripoff of smothered hope and that down in it was a
> >ripoff of dig it...nothing more (if you watch the videos back-to-back,
> >you'll get it, trust me)
>
> do, I dissect it. And really, I cannot see the comparison.
i feel pretty much the same way (as far as the dissecting goes)...it's
amazing how many elements of music (mostly the good ones, too) go
unnoticed by the average music fan...i love discussing songs like
"closer" with alterna-teens and saying things like, "did you notice that
cool synth calliope sound that he uses in the second chorus?" of course,
none of them have...
as far as the dig it/down in it and head like a hole/smothered hope thing
goes, i'll break it down:
dig it/down in it
a. trent openly admitted to ripping it off in last year's spin article
b. how many bands other than puppy used that movie screen-ish video style
where the foreground and background are independent films?
c. the pseudo-rapping vocal style and harsh hip-hop beats (yeah, lots of
stuff like that exists now, but think back to 88/89)
d. the distorted guitar samples that mesh with the beat are pretty damn
similar
"smothered hope/head like a hole"
(i never noticed the similarities until i watched the smothered hope
video, so this is mostly based on that)
a. both videos cut in between shots of the band playing live (with
similar atmosphere) and shots of heads being viewed at different angles
b. listen to the beats at the beginning...they are pretty similar...they
start with sparse fm-synth-ish beats and samples and then kick in
with a dance beat
(actually, i never noticed b. until i watched the video for smothered
hope...the way the cuts between shots fit in with the intro. beat remind
me way too much of head like a hole)
there are other similarities i *could* have pointed out, but i thought
that these were the most obvious...for example, imo happiness in slavery
was seriously inspired by the video for testure, and various machines in
closer are similar to some of the ones in spasmolytic
these points can be argued against, obviously, but these are just *my*
opinions...hell, most of my song interpretations from the downward spiral
can be argued against pretty effectively, but i still *think* i've
figured out what the inspiration for most of the songs were...
love,
hope (further down the ego trip)
Disease Factory of Velvet Acid Christ
>i wasn't saying that nin sounds *anything* like puppy...i just meant that
>head like a hole was a ripoff of smothered hope and that down in it was a
>ripoff of dig it...nothing more (if you watch the videos back-to-back,
>you'll get it, trust me)
I don't see that at all... but oh well.. I see more in music than most
do, I dissect it. And really, I cannot see the comparison.
Mark Pippins
: duh...i would say the current ratio of puppy CD's to nin CD's in my CD
: collection would attest to that (btw, to brag, it's 15:3, er, 5:1 at the
Mine would be 32:0, counting Download, Hilt & CyberAktif
Mark
"Because NIN still sucks, is why."
James Briggs
Mark Pippins (st...@interport.net) wrote:
: : there...to have done this...i'm just sick of some fan's attitudes that the
: : only industrial band ever that meant anything was skinny puppy.
: :
: : Amy
:
: Understood, certainly, but who, post-sp, does?
download. period.