velvet acid christ
testure
yeah, actually they pretty much do. If you like Mentallo & the Fixer and
FLA I think you would like these colorado rockers
tsotiro wrote in article <34063D...@splusnet.com>...
>am i the only one that hasn't heard this band? can someone tell me if
>they live up to the hype? thanks...
>
>mike
kpotts
you will indeed like them ... harsh, oppressive and totally fixating --
"calling ov the dead" will be out soon ...
Jesse MacNish
kpotts wrote:
I actually heard velvet acid christ at this place in downtown Denver (1082
broadway). It was late and the DJ played them as one of the last songs--really
good. I asked who it was and the DJ pointed me to this very pretty woman who
introduced herself as the wife of the lead guy--we talked for a little while,
and she pointed out her husband, the velvet acid christ guy who was sitting in
the DJ booth. I gave her my information since I wanted a CD, but no luck. Oh
well.
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
> I actually heard velvet acid christ at this place in downtown Denver (1082
>broadway). It was late and the DJ played them as one of the last songs--really
>good. I asked who it was and the DJ pointed me to this very pretty woman who
>introduced herself as the wife of the lead guy--we talked for a little while,
>and she pointed out her husband, the velvet acid christ guy who was sitting in
>the DJ booth. I gave her my information since I wanted a CD, but no luck. Oh
>well.
Yeah I used to hang at that club long ago. I am not married..
The guy in which you are refering, is no longer in VAC, He left/got
kicked, for money, creative differences, and the lack of time he spent
on the project. He is doing his own thing now... His name is Gary, And
he is no longer in VAC. No big deal, because he wrote maybe 13% of all
the vac material that is out...
There is no hard feelings here, I just felt that VAC could use a band,
something gary was not interested in, So I put 3 new guys in, so when
we play live its not off of dat. Gary wan'ts to do techno, sample
other peoples drum work, loop it and groove to a bass line and some
strings on top, I prefer writting all my own drums and music, I am a
musician, not a DJ. And I am sick of all the recycled drums you hear
these days, everything sounds the same to me, this techno thing has
gotten way out of hand in my book. I wish gary the best of luck, but I
want vac to be a musical experience, not just a shake your butt dance
party..
Its bad enough to use sequencers, that makes music writting easy as it
is, but to not write the music or the drums, and then call it yours
should be a crime, and DJs should not be payed as much as musicians.
This is and always will be my philosphy..
I don't hang out much, too busy working on the label and doing web
pages and writting the new vac material and doing various remixes for
other bands, plus I am producing a band called Pain Konsept.
I am the singer, bassist, guitarist, keyboardist, lyricist, drummer
for VAC, Most of the songs on our releases were done primarily by me
alone. And some were collaberations with Gary and Chris.. Its really
no big deal. Gary is doing his own ambient/trance/techno thing now, it
really has nothing in common with industrial music other than the fact
that it is synth based..
The New members ov VAC are, Chris workman/Baphomet: Guitarist,
keyboardist, drummer.
Dan Zimmerman/Sage/Section 8(editor of Culture Shock magazine and
formerly of the band alturistic Genocide): Drums, synths. Dan has not
yet moved to Colorado, so he is not ivolved in VAc as of yet
musically. But this is full ahead.
Hypostasis/Dan Olson: Long time side project member of Toxic Coma,
and president of EDT Multi Media.
And Myself..
VAC is currently remixing Wumpscut's Body Parts for Culture shock CD
vol. 2. Remix War with Individual Totem, And some possible FLA
remixes, We are currently producing Pain Konsept, and we are releasing
Klinik, Aghast View, And Suicide Commando on our self run label
Electric Death Trip Records. Gary Left before Calling Ov the Dead was
finished, so the new guys and I wrote 5 new songs and dropped a bunch
of the demo material that was previously on it. It is now done and
being mastered by off beat, Calling ov the dead's CD booklet is a
comic book with the lyrics as the story line..
Gary Did nothing for EDT records, and very little for VAC, he did buy
lots of keyboards which helped, but I did most of the composition.
If you like techno, I am sure you will like Gary's solo project. It is
well done for the style that it is in. Its just not my thing.
I stick with EBM mixed with elements of trance goa, death metal, goth,
old school industrial, and dance music, but I experiement with the
fusion of those elements, I don't let one thing take it over, it is a
blend of all...
Vac's Sound has not changed, it has improved, and has become more
diverse. The next one wont be so dancey, it will be an atmospheric
conseptual story, there are 3 or 4 dance tracks, the rest is weird
electronic fusion. Don't worry, Calling ov the Dead is by far VAC's
best work to date.
This is all I will say for the time being, please don't ask me about
Gary and what when and why. Its over and I want to let it die, we move
in our own directions now.
Nuff Said...
VAC
Disease Factory ov
http://www.edtrecords.com/vac/
http://www.edtrecords.com/pendragon/
http://www.edtrecords.com
http://www.edtrecords.com/cultureshock/
http://www.offbeatassault.com
http://www.edtrecords.com/aghastview/
http://www.edtrecords.com/toxiccoma/
Druid
In article <340d1f1...@news.nilenet.com>, vact...@nilenet.com
(Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK) wrote:
> Its bad enough to use sequencers, that makes music writting easy as it
> is,
::Shaking head in disgusts:: Unfucking believable. That has got to be
one of the most prosaic concepts of music I have ever heard spouted the
lips of a supposed "Industrial" programmer.
I'll be so happy when you disappear.
Druid
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"The only thing for us to do is to go on as though nothing had happened,
follow our usual habits, go to bed, and so forth;
pretend we feel nothing and notice nothing.
It is a question wholly of the mind,
and the less we think about THEM the better our chance of escape.
Above all, don't think, for what you think happens!"
-from "The Willows" by Algernon Blackwood
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Sk8th8t
>And I am sick of all the recycled drums you hear
>these days, everything sounds the same to me,
An ironic statement from someone whose music is so derivative and turgid
it's painful...
>this techno thing has gotten way out of hand in my book. I wish gary the
>best of luck,
(that's why I just went off on that petty little bitter tirade)
> but I want vac to be a musical experience, not just a shake your butt
>dance party..
Think you might want to keep trying...
--Mike Rubio
SystemOne Corp. - Research Div.
"Well, THAT could have gone better...."
daniel landherr
Xkommunik8 (heartcol...@dclink.com) wrote:
: I miss man-made percussion! Einsturzende Neubauten and Throbbing
: Gristle/Psychic TV did this and it entertains me far more than
: electronically looped percussion. After about 1 minute I get really
: sick of it. Then when these kind of bands have a live show all they do
: is load up their drum tracks and press a button. What ever happened to
: bands that work for their money? It's the live sweat, hard work and
: imperfections (if any) that make a show that more ethusiastic, and I
: think the audience gets a lot more involved that way too.
Savage Aural Hotbed. Don't forget that band name. Amazing live
percussion.
Dan
VVaveshape
If you're looking for yet another generic FLA/Mentallo ripoff with lots of
samples of Star Trek and other obvious sources,, Velvet Asshole Crust is
the band for you! And Mr. Disease here was on the Goth Boi Babe of The Week
page, which makes them even cooler! CHECK THEM OUT!
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ryan reid v vave...@aol.com
ebm.noise.gabber.hardacidgoatrance.badtripambient
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AkTiF8
hahaha...rock on ryan.
>If you're looking for yet another generic FLA/Mentallo ripoff with lots of
>samples of Star Trek and other obvious sources,, Velvet Asshole Crust is
>the band for you! And Mr. Disease here was on the Goth Boi Babe of The Week
>page, which makes them even cooler! CHECK THEM OUT!
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"It's like at a rave we create a kind of environment...that encourages
that kind ay feelin. It's the whole vibe. But it doesnae transfer that
well tae the ootside world. Oot thair, these cvnts have created a different
environment.." --irvine welsh
..................................http://members.aol.com/aktif8
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Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
On 6 Sep 1997 21:27:46 GMT, akt...@aol.com (AkTiF8) wrote:
>
>hahaha...rock on ryan.
>
>>If you're looking for yet another generic FLA/Mentallo ripoff with lots of
>>samples of Star Trek and other obvious sources,, Velvet Asshole Crust is
>>the band for you! And Mr. Disease here was on the Goth Boi Babe of The Week
>>page, which makes them even cooler! CHECK THEM OUT!
>
Our older stuff is in no way a mentallo rip off, what you people to
fail to understand is that, CHURCH OF ACID and the track on Tyranny
vol 4, are songs written and produced in 1994. I had never even
listened to haujobb, wumpscut or mentallo at that point in my life.
All I can say is wait for calling of the dead, no star trek samples,
and it sounds nothing like FLA or Mentallo, there is some goa-trance
mixed with splatter industrial, some gothic guitar tracks, and some
all out aggro electro.. IT is new music, it sounds new, Older VAC is
dated when compared to our new stuff.
When I sampled star trek, it was not trendy to do so, and I never
thought that the borg would have gotten that popular. I had no idea
there would be a first contact movie. I love star trek and that is how
i tried to glorify it, that show has touched my life and is one of the
better shows on tv, sorry if you do not feel that way but that is how
i feel. We have decided to drop off the star trek sample songs for the
USA release of Church of acid, and add a electro aggro track with dune
samples, and a meat beat manifesto sound track that sounds like a
fusion of industrial and trip hop. JUST to make you people stop
whining about how we sampled star trek... OFF BEAT and the europeans
are not so prejudas. And we are BIG over there for our diversity.
Something most electronic bands lack. WE do goth, electro, trance goa,
death metal electro, and many other styles fused into one. SO if you
are reading this, and all these negative jerk offs have struck a nerve
with you before you have even heard VAC, give it a listen if you are
into diversity. Because, we do not subscribe to any one music style,
but we always make sure our music is heavily drenched with
electronics.
And why make fun of goth, many industrial acts have been ispired by
goth, I am one of those, I look a little goth as well, why is that a
sin? And why is there such and ANTI goth attitude in most industrial
people? Its like rascism in a different way. I have met kool rappers,
kool goths, kool industrial people, kool death metal people, kool trip
hop rave people, and I have met assholes in all those genres as well,
but to make fun of the whole is ironic and immature. Fuck all of you
who have to segragate, and be elitist with the music and styles you
are into. And that goth babe of the week thing, i thought it was
funny, i do not view myself as a babe.I got a good laugh out of it. To
me its all about fun, sorry so many of you cannot have fun or see the
humor in things.
Don't be fooled, many leave me mail and priase the project, most
magazines rave about our music, and we have been #1 several times on
the european dj dance charts. plus in germany we were on their CD
alubum charts, it's like rolling stone here at #9 ..
Neurostyle, Sideline, Orkus, Gashed, Cyberia, Industrial Bible,
Virtigo, Zillo, Surface, Equinoxe, Sonic seducer, Noise Therapy,
Gothic, FOC, Entry, Body Styler and Culture shock have either voted
our CDs #1, or gave it very high praises.
So if all you jerk offs think that VAC sucks, you must really thing
all the sources I listed above suck as well. And they are big
mentallo, wumpscut, haujobb, fla, download, puppy freak magazines. Not
to mention many gothic magazines love us as well if that means
anything.
We were discovered by Bill Leeb, and signed by off beat. our CDs sell
out, and sell consistantly. Our track record is quite good for a band
that has release material from 3 to 4 years ago. Even if it is dated
and old, it must say somehting about us if that many people dig it in
the european industrial scene like it. the members of haujobb play
FUTILE, they like hte sogn, and johan from suciode command spins VAC
at clubs, Kalte Farben and Individual totem praise VAC as well, Forma
Tadre and wumpscut also say good things about us. What is the problem?
I am indifferent to our music, I like it, but I don;t think we are the
best, I think many are better than us. Kalte Farben is awesome,
Individual Totem is awesome, Wumpscut is awesome, Puppy is awesome,
FLA is awesome, Orbital is awesome, SECT is awesome, Meat beat
manifesto is awesome. I personally like those acts more than VAC. But
that is because I am so sick of hearing VAC, We are practising for our
live shows and I have listen to so much vac it makes me want to puke!
ehehehehehehehehehehe...
TO DRUID: Fuck you! you little do nothing shit, what do you do for the
industrial scene? I do web pages, help tours, promote bands, and try
to give info to the public about what is going on in this small scene,
I am trying to expand it and make it better by working with DJS and
labels. And all you do you little know nothing fuck is make fun of
anyone who does try to make things better.
HATE me if you want, fine, but dont bitch unless you are doing
somehting to make things better.
Flavius
>If you're looking for yet another generic FLA/Mentallo ripoff with lots of
>samples of Star Trek and other obvious sources,, Velvet Asshole Crust is
>the band for you! And Mr. Disease here was on the Goth Boi Babe of The Week
>page, which makes them even cooler! CHECK THEM OUT!
At least Mr. Disease can design one hell of a web page at Offbeat.
Never heard VAC nut if they sound anything like FLA they can't be all that
bad...
Flavius
DON0VAN
<Bryan wrote>
>OFF BEAT and the europeans
>are not so prejudas.
GODDAMNIT TO HELL!!!!!! IT'S "PREJUDICE" not
PREJUDAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please buy a spell checker or
dictionary and go to your page and correct all your misspelled words. It
makes your page seem so unprofessional. Perhaps you can take some english
courses to better your usage of sentence structure as well...
AND IF THE CD'S ARE SO GREAT, WHY CANT I FIND ANYONE THAT SAY "Gee, Those
guys from VAC kick ass!" and why cant I find any of the cd's in my local stores?
1. I have not heard any VAC stuff so I really cant base any opinions on
your music but I do think you look rather dorky hehehehe...
2. I wont unless I can steal the cd with no possibility if getting
caught.. Thieve at heart baby... Stealing your air since 1975 and I dont
mind taking money from your pockets...
3. I happen to agree that most elitist harbor a nazi attitude when it
comes to different genres of music but I have seen your ranting on netscape
and best buy and if you think about it it makes you an elistist in some
form or fashion
4. I agree that druid is 100% fucko and should have his ass kicked promptly...
5. Could it be that all the hype on VAC be something that is riled up by
you and you only?
NTropic
Aside from skill at HTML, I get the impression that VAC is somewhat like Chris
Rock's description of the Spice Girls: you can't deny that their records sell,
but good luck finding someone who will admit to buying it.
(And before you crucify me for not having heard the entire VAC discography
before offering the slightest bit of criticism, I'd just like to offer the
defense that I have heard 1 VAC track, from one of the Tyranny Off the Beat
comps ... and that is the last time I will ever waste 5 minutes of my life on
VAC)
~C., just wondering what kind of name is Velvet Acid Christ, anyway. It
reminds me of Elvis, Timothy Leary and Jesus, all rolled into one. Either that
or a cheesy TKK song.
Modad56
>Aside from skill at HTML, I get the impression that VAC is somewhat like
>Chris
>Rock's description of the Spice Girls: you can't deny that their records
>sell,
>but good luck finding someone who will admit to buying it.
LMFAO!!!
There is no good, there is no evil, there is only flesh and the patterns
in which we submit it: There is a secret song at the center of the world,
and sounds like razors through flesh. You can hear its faint echo; right
now I'm here to turn up the volume.
Modad56
It was written:
>AND IF THE CD'S ARE SO GREAT, WHY CANT I FIND ANYONE THAT SAY "Gee, Those
>guys from VAC kick ass!" and why cant I find any of the cd's in my local
>stores?
>
Improper distribution....it'll be fixed when pandragon steps in.
>1. I have not heard any VAC stuff so I really cant base any opinions on
>your music but I do think you look rather dorky hehehehe...
unfortunatly....i'd have to agree.....i never saw a "goth boi" in a napalm
death shirt before.
>2. I wont unless I can steal the cd with no possibility if getting
>caught.. Thieve at heart baby... Stealing your air since 1975 and I dont
>mind taking money from your pockets...
>3. I happen to agree that most elitist harbor a nazi attitude when it
>comes to different genres of music but I have seen your ranting on netscape
>and best buy and if you think about it it makes you an elistist in some
>form or fashion
yet again, i agree.....but the best buy thing is understandable.
>4. I agree that druid is 100% fucko and should have his ass kicked
>promptly...
>5. Could it be that all the hype on VAC be something that is riled up by
>you and you only?
>
maybe....but they do have fans....
i never heard them, but i want to.
NP: Skinny Puppy - Inquisition
SG
On Sun, 07 Sep 1997 19:04:29 GMT, vact...@nilenet.com (Disease
Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK) wrote:
>HATE me if you want, fine, but dont bitch unless you are doing
>somehting to make things better.
>
>VAC
Naw its just Mr. ActivatE...is responsible for doing the links pages
on the Activate sight....By looking at it, you can see why he doesn't
like you....Your pages look so much better than his. He probably
realised how little chance that any group would ever want him to have
pages done by him for them and is just ranting like a jealous baby.
Drachen
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK wrote:
> When I sampled star trek, it was not trendy to do so, and I never
> thought that the borg would have gotten that popular. I had no idea
> there would be a first contact movie. I love star trek and that is how
> i tried to glorify it, that show has touched my life and is one of the
> better shows on tv, sorry if you do not feel that way but that is how
> i feel. We have decided to drop off the star trek sample songs for the
> USA release of Church of acid, and add a electro aggro track with dune
> samples, and a meat beat manifesto sound track that sounds like a
> fusion of industrial and trip hop. JUST to make you people stop
> whining about how we sampled star trek... OFF BEAT and the europeans
> are not so prejudas.
I hate it when musicians do this. Disease, keep the songs with the Star
Trek samples in the US album (but please keep the new traks in). This is
a true example of selling out, changing an album just to please a few
small-minded, elitist assholes.
--
-Drachen
Direct all correspondance/flames to:
dra...@worldnet.att.net
Elektrip
Well, here is my outlook on the whole thing. First off, DiseaseFactory
(*shaking head*), the greatest service you could do to yourself and your
band at this point is simply to shut up about it. No matter how good a
band is,someone is always going to dislike you... spewing forth lines and
lines of mispelled diatribe only makes you look like an idiot and confirms
the thoughts of your detractors, and most likely will turn off new
listeners. Remember Paul Abramson from Van Richter? Or Sub Kon? Take a
lesson from them. There's that Mark Twain quote which I am sure I will
horribly butcher here, but says something to the effect of, "It is better
to be silent and have people suspect you are a fool, than to open your
mouth and confirm their suspicions." Learn from this. Personally, I think
your music is horrible, but what the fuck, if people are willing to settle
for inane lyrics, horrible vocals, and FLA ripoff music (where is this so
called diversity I keep hearing about...mainly from YOU?), more power to
you. Hyping yourself and lying is only going to lose you potential fans...
Flavius
>for inane lyrics, horrible vocals, and FLA ripoff music (where is this so
>called diversity I keep hearing about...mainly from YOU?), more power to
>you. Hyping yourself and lying is only going to lose you potential fans...
Personally, all this hype has made me very curious to hear VAC. Maybe
he's using reverse psychology?
Flavius
VoltAire
VVaveshape (vvave...@aol.com) wrote:
: If you're looking for yet another generic FLA/Mentallo ripoff with lots of
: samples of Star Trek and other obvious sources,, Velvet Asshole Crust is
: the band for you! And Mr. Disease here was on the Goth Boi Babe of The Week
: page, which makes them even cooler! CHECK THEM OUT!
Actually I'd like to hear this cheesy techno project myself....the
only thing I liked about VAC was the techno....but then again I
love that cheesy Wumpscut disco stuff too....:(
MIKExWELCH
fro@REMOVE_THISnilenet.com (SG) said:
>HATE me if you want, fine, but dont bitch unless you are doing
>somehting to make things better. (from Bryan)
<:> Naw its just Mr. ActivatE...is responsible for doing the links pages
on the Activate sight....By looking at it, you can see why he doesn't like
you....Your pages look so much better than his. He probably realised how
little chance that any group would ever want him to have pages done by him
for them and is just ranting like a jealous baby<:> from F...@nilenet.com (SG)
Well, that gives me free license to bitch, I suppose.
First off, I'll tell everyone right upfront that I've not heard one note
of VAC. I will when I get around to it. Judging from what I've read and
heard about VAC, I'm reasonably sure I won't like them, but, again, I'll
reserve complete judgement on the MUSIC until I hear it.
In regards to your attacking "Activate", (SG)...it's AkTiF8, you toad.
Saying that someone's page looks better than someone else's is easily the
stupidest basis of comparison, in my opinion, that I've seen crop up on the
rmi in a while...and those who read the rmi a lot know what kind of
statement THAT is. AkTiF8's customers tend to be multinational
corporations, not small bands.
Second of all, the only statement that AkTiF8 made was "Rock on,
Ryan."....meaning, he didn't post the rant that offended you so much. Ryan
did. I don't agree with Ryan all that often, but I do respect his
knowledge, opinion, and, lately, have grown to understand and respect his
rather aggressive stance on things. A suggestion: Try reading the posts
that you're gonna flame, albeit lamely, a little more carefully.
Lastly, there seems to be this notion of "If you piss off VAC, you'll get
nowhere in this industry." hanging in the air lately. One band, not even
someone the size of NIN or Manson or Cab Volt or whoever the fuck else
anyone wants to bring up has that kind of power. People disagree all the
time, and, ironically, most often on a medium such as this, which was, and
I may be stretching a bit here, originally intended as a forum for
discussion between people of LIKE INTERESTS. Flaming back and forth about
what is good and what is not...here's a hint: IT MAKES YOU LOSE CREDIBILITY.
Also, back to the "if you piss VAC off..." thing. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but isn't the most used leit motif in Elektro music the 'Freedom
from Tyranny and Oppression' ? Does this sound to anyone else like tyranny
and oppression? Of course, VAC itself cannot be held directly responsible
for such sentiments, until such time as I hear them personally uttered or
typed from said member (s) of said band.
Someone else posted some advice to VAC in another thread, which will more
than likely go unheeded: You need to stop defending yourself so
vehemently. Does the phrase "Methinks you protesteth too much." mean
anything? You are, with me, at least, losing what little credibility that
you could have possibly had with an audience outside of the one you already
have built in for you: the FLA fans. That and you can't spell. Yeah, I
know...musical ability has little and/or nothing to do with grammar and
spelling skills, but it confirms one thing for me....if I were ever to meet
you in real life, I can imagine myself looking nervously around the room
for someone to recognize so I could say "Oh, shit....it was really cool
meeting you, I've gotta go talk to _____ over there. Good luck with your set."
You could probably say the same to me (which would, of course, confirm
those nasty "if you piss VAC off..." rumors), but I think you're digging
your own hole. European success is one thing. Good luck in the states.
You're going to need it.
Michael j. Welch
Creator of the Cyberbabies Compilation,
An Industrial / Electronic Tour De Force
http://members.aol.com/mikexwelch/cyberbabies
Featuring, amongst others: Assemblage23, Scar Tissue, Thine Eyes,
SpineFolder, 16Volt, Area 88, NIHIL, Fishtank NO.9, The Aggression,
Haloblack, Noxious Emotion, Necrofix, Terminal 46, Battery, Ipecac Loop.
AkTiF8
On Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:45:14 GMT, fro@REMOVE_THISnilenet.com wrote:
>Naw its just Mr. ActivatE...is responsible for doing the links pages
>on the Activate sight....By looking at it, you can see why he doesn't
>like you....Your pages look so much better than his. He probably
>realised how little chance that any group would ever want him to have
>pages done by him for them and is just ranting like a jealous baby.
>
Ok...first of all...my page has been down for rennovation for the
past few weeks. I have not the slightest clue what 'links' page you saw,
but it must not have been mine, being that it sucked, (though this is not
to lend your opinion credibility...I mean...you're a VAC fan), and that my
page is not a shite links site.
Second, I find it incredibly challenging to take someone seriously
who is either a) too illiterate to read letters and numbers in tandem, or
b) too hasty to actually read a thread from the beginning.
Read out loud: '<' (say: lesser than) is a QUOTE.
Even though I did not post the original message which seems to have
been bait for your childish brown-nosing....
(I must say I have to agree with you on something...if you're just trying
to get a free VAC cd out of this...I mean...I wouldnt pay for one either.)
...I completely stand behind the simple declaration of opinion. When usenet
gets overrun and governed by fascists, call me back. (hrm...)
The easiest way to lose your credibility is to resort to
name-calling; obviously done because you don't have the intellect..(or the
facts to stand behind)..a coherent and intelligent reply.
And to the torrent of VAC replies...the greatest artists in the world
get panned. If you can't take criticism..I suggest another profession. If
it were me, I'd be cashing my European checks and laughing.
--kj
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"It's like at a rave we create a kind of environment...that encourages
that kind ay feelin. It's the whole vibe. But it doesnae transfer that
well tae the ootside world. Oot thair, these cvnts have created a different
environment.." --irvine welsh
..................................http://members.aol.com/aktif8/home.html
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
Okay here is what Industrial Bible Says about Church of acid :
VELVET ACID CHRIST - CHURCH OF ACID
Church of Acid:
Velvet Acid Christ can best be described by the name of their music
label, an Electronic Death Trip. This is definitely one of the best
bands to come out of the states in recent years, with a European
electronic industrial sound to their music. Church of Acid is an
impressive compilation of their most favored songs from their previous
4 US releases. Most, if not all, songs are remastered \ mixed. Things
start up with an impressive dark ambient track entitled Hell One.
Then industrial from hell breaks loose with definitely one of my
favorite tracks from the disk, a song titled Let's Kill All These
Motherfuckers. This most outstanding track is full of hard pounding
industrial synth lines and beats that should get your adrenaline
going. Another outstanding track is Futile (Nazi Bastard Mix), which
you may have heard it on the Tyranny Off the Beat III comp. The Nazi
Bastard Mix, when compared to the LSD Mix off the Tyranny comp,
definitely shows their mixing skills. All I have to say is WOW!!!!
This contains a good number of changes, as will as additional
samples. This song is a must to listen to. Over all I like every
single song on this album including the somewhat gothic sounding
tracks, and I'm not much of a goth fan. Their music can be compared
to some Haujobb with :wumpscut: elements, but they are definitely a
unique band. You should definitely take a listen to this disk. Velvet
Acid Christ, in my opinion, is a band to watch out for, not only for
their musical talent, but also for what they will do to the industrial
scene here in the states.
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
On 7 Sep 1997 19:55:07 GMT, don...@aol.com (DON0VAN) wrote:
><Bryan wrote>
>>OFF BEAT and the europeans
>>are not so prejudas.
>
>
>GODDAMNIT TO HELL!!!!!! IT'S "PREJUDICE" not
>PREJUDAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! please buy a spell checker or
>dictionary and go to your page and correct all your misspelled words. It
>makes your page seem so unprofessional. Perhaps you can take some english
>courses to better your usage of sentence structure as well...
Okay "PREJUDICE" got, and thanks for teaching me that today :)
I type fast and rarely re read the messages, and as I stated in an
earlier message, I dont use the spell checker cause its shareware and
doesn't have one hehehe... I haven't proofed the pages. I have been to
busy. But I will now that you mention it, I ran a spell check on them,
I musta fucked up somehow.. My english is not the best, I know that.
And I rush things. But I try man.. SOBB. SOBB. And the off beat page,
the news section is written by thorsten of off beat, and if it is
screwed that is their fault, they are german so cut them some slack,
but I am american so you can tear me a new asshole for it..
>
>AND IF THE CD'S ARE SO GREAT, WHY CANT I FIND ANYONE THAT SAY "Gee, Those
>guys from VAC kick ass!" and why cant I find any of the cd's in my local stores?
Prolly because no one has heard it, except maybe a few songs. Go read
the industrial bible, they rave about it.. at
http://www.mscnet.net/dachar/ibmain.htm
Look for the o-files 2, and church of acid in the reviews section...
People hate me on here because i post, and my spelling is not so great
and before i was signed, I was over plugging my band on here. And my
extreme views get on peoples nerves sometimes. That is why you see all
the ANTI VAC and ANTI DISEASE stuff here... I do admit I have been a
bit of a jerk on here before, but as i said before, I am sorry. I get
over zealous. This stuff is all new to me, sorry if I am not as cool
as cEvin Key or Bill Leeb when they post.. I am a kid compared to
them.
>1. I have not heard any VAC stuff so I really cant base any opinions on
>your music but I do think you look rather dorky hehehehe...
Hahaahaha, I know that a lot of industrial people tend to think that,
but oh well, the goth girls dont seem to mind tho..
>2. I wont unless I can steal the cd with no possibility if getting
>caught.. Thieve at heart baby... Stealing your air since 1975 and I dont
>mind taking money from your pockets...
Hahahaahah yeah, you little crook. I used to be like that. Okay, I
will send you one, E-mail me your snail mail addy, and you can get one
from me.
>3. I happen to agree that most elitist harbor a nazi attitude when it
>comes to different genres of music but I have seen your ranting on netscape
>and best buy and if you think about it it makes you an elistist in some
>form or fashion
No, I am not elite at all, if i was would I even bother to take the
time to answer my E-mail or post on here? I see your point though.
Don't take my rantings to seriously. Netscape annoys me because it is
hard to design web pages with it, IE is not so anal and it looks
better in my opinion. Best Buy is hurting small indy record companies
with their fascist price cutting competition, the undermine the whole
market for our music, you have to bribe them to carry music. It is
bullshit. Thats why I say buy from places like isolation tank and
digital underground, they are friends of indy record companies and
plug the music and help the scene. Best buy could care less.. That is
my point. It is not an elite attitude.. I don't want people to worhsip
me or what I say, I just try to promote the music and things i like,
and inform people about it. That is all..
>4. I agree that druid is 100% fucko and should have his ass kicked promptly...
We are in agreement :)
>5. Could it be that all the hype on VAC be something that is riled up by
>you and you only?
Not at all. There is much hype, and not just from me, and RMI neglects
us because we are not rivet or just industrial, and that our CD is
hard to find, it is import only, but pendragon is releasing VAC
shortly it wont be long now.. I think many things will change when
that happens. People will listen to the music and make an opinion and
not just listen to my sometimes inane comments. I understand my faults
and am trying to fix them..
People take this shit way to seriously, I sit back and laugh most of
the time. People seem to have lost all sense of humor recently.
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
Okay here is what Industrial Bible says about the O-Files 2:
V/A - The O-Files 2
Half a year after the first installment, The O-Files series continues.
On The O-Files 2 we find exclusive tracks from Suicide Commando,
Ravenous, Velvet Acid Christ and Kalte Farben. Rather than press and
sell four separate CD singles, Off Beat came up with this great idea
of combining them all on one disc and selling it at a reasonable
price.
SUICIDE COMMANDO - State of Emergency
The first 3 tracks are by the extreme noise terrorist known as Suicide
Commando. Distortion abounds on Johan’s new offerings, State of
Emergency and Come To Me. State of Emergency is a noisy electro piece
with rough and raw electronics and a pummeling dance beat. The vocals
are scratchy and the rhythms are harsh, as in typical Suicide Commando
tracks. What Johan does with his sound, no one else comes close to
imitating. Velvet Acid Christ takes this track and remixes it, adding
some echo effects and strict electronic sequences. On Come To Me,
Johan utilizes a crunchy beat, guttural vocals, and minimalist
programming to produce a taste of what we can expect from his next
full length release.
RAVENOUS - Lemmings
Ravenous is a very hard band to categorize. While the music is
strictly hard electronics, the vocals waver somewhere between pop and
eighties new wave. Their sound definitely takes some getting use to,
but if you give it half a chance, you most likely will find yourself
becoming more and more addicted to it. On Lemmings, Ravenous give us
4 tracks; 2 versions of the title track, a remix of Voices You Hear,
and a previously unreleased track entitled Our Decision. On the
Collective Brain Mix of Lemmings takes the rough edge that the
original contains in the chorus and applies it to the entire track.
Voices You Hear (version) is a very catchy piece with melodic synth
patterns and a dramatic vocal delivery. Rumor has it that Ravenous
and Funker Vogt share a common member. After hearing Our Decision, I
am further drawn to the conclusion that this rumor is true. While the
vocals still retain that dated feel, the music is a mixture of hard
beats, cascading sequences, and rough rhythm lines. Hopefully
Ravenous wasn’t just a one off project, because after repeatedly
listening to this new single, I am anxious to hear more.
VELVET ACID CHRIST - The Hand
Velvet Acid Christ have made quite a name for themselves worldwide in
just a few short months and with the release of this new single, Bryan
shows no signs of slowing down. The Hand is a brand new track that
will most likely be part of the next VAC album, due out later this
year. This track follows VAC’s Off Beat release, Church of Acid, with
the same hard hitting, splatter industrial that has made their music a
staple on dance floors from Europe to the US. The Aggro Trash Mix
combines elements from techno, noise, and strict electro, creating a
track full of energy and aggression. Bryan’s semi-distorted vocals
play well over the beat heavy, sample ridden music. The Cut Throat
Psycho Rave Mix is exactly that, a deadly mix of tech beats, evil
samples and powerful sequences. The bonus cut, Killing Me, is a goth
influenced track that was previously released on VAC’s Fate CD. This
track shows the varying style of VAC, pinpointing where they have come
from, musically, while at the same time reminding us of how a band’s
sound can vary while still retaining their original ideas. Beware,
VAC will soon dominate the scene!
KALTE FARBEN - Gotcha!
One of the most original bands out there today, Kalte Farben combine
electro with parts of experimental to create a sound all their own.
Listening to Gotcha! one can hear elements of coldwave, EBM, and
experimental. The Now You Are Dead... mix utilizes partially
distorted vocals, quirky electronics and a twisted dance beat. The
Road in Mind mix is a less abrasive version which slowly builds into a
vocal and beat drive piece. Beitz’s side-project, wuZnoiz, remixes
the track into a combination of jungle rhythms and noisy
experimentation. Gone! is the final mix, this time being slower in
pace and more reliant on the warped vocals. Kalte Farben give a fine
performance on this single.
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
This will be the last review posting, I could post about 30 german
reviews, but they are all in german.. So I wont..
Here is what Culture Shock Said about VAC:
Transmission #3 03/01/96
Velvet Acid Christ: CHURCH OF ACID . CD
Their appearance on Tyranny Off The Beat Vol. 3, coupled with the
insane amount of hype generated by the Off Beat team (Thorsten in
particular), left most of the electro world scouring for more. But
since that entire Velvet Acid Christ back catalog was sold out, to put
it bluntly - everyone had to wait. Meanwhile, Off Beat compiled their
favorite tracks from VAC's three previous releases, did some
remastering and unleashed the Church Of Acid to quench the desires of
the start-raving electro freaks. I must say, it provides a very good
cross-section of this incredible bands' more danceable work. Some of
the tracks here date back several years, but you sure as hell wouldn't
know by listening to it. From dancefloor anthems like "Let's Kill All
These Mother Fuckers", "Dead Flesh", and "Futile (Nazi Bastard mix)",
to the phreaked out, psychotic ambience of "Fade Away", "Pain", and
"Vaginismus", you'll hear elements of everything from Front Line and
Juno Reactor to The Cure and even Napalm Death (??), resulting in a
sound that's entirely original, often bizarre, and extremely diverse.
Despite that diversity, they never stray too far or alienate the
listener. Instead, they push the boundaries of electro and force their
influences to exists within the framework of VAC. Bryan's maniacal
ranting is the perfect accompaniment- sick, distorted, and obnoxious;
accented by tons samples. Church Of Acid is an interstellar journey to
the farthest reaches of your mind. Be prepared! (NOTE: VAC's entire
back catalogue is now once again in print, but only available direct
from EDT! See the reviews, and contact them for details!)
[sAge]
Velvet Acid Christ: FATE . CD
Fate is VAC's first CD release, though they had already been working
together for almost five years, releasing many, many cassettes.
Conveniently, it also alphabetically comes right after Church Of Acid
and before their other two discs, Neural Blastoma and Pestilence. So,
I think it's a good time to make one thing very clear about this band.
Velvet Acid Christ are extremely varied, and no whole album can really
be pegged down by a review. This album produced the COA tracks "Hell
One", "We Have To See We Have To Know", "Mental Depression", And
"Pain". As those tracks indicate, the disc has a very depressed,
ambient, restrained feel. There are definite gothic overtones
throughout this album, but it's by no means wimpy. Even in the slower
tracks, VAC are quite capable of conjuring enough synthetic mayhem to
re-arrange your spine. However, it's hardcore electro with highly
effected guitars, and the rare element of emotion - more emotion, or
rather, more sadness than any of the other VAC releases. Dark, spacey,
and introspective - with a beat!
[sAge]
Velvet Acid Christ: PESTILENCE . CD
Velvet Acid Christ's second disc continues the madness, and branches
in new directions. So many different areas are covered here, that
Pestilence is much like a collection of songs, rather than an entire
entity. Perhaps that's due in part to the fact that four of the songs
were left over from the 90 minute Fate cassette, when it was
transferred to the 75 minute CD format. Either way, there's certainly
nothing wrong with that, and it produced some of VAC's best work. COA
hits "Futile" and "Dead Flesh" came from Pestilence, but there's a lot
more diversity than that here. Dance, trance, techno, hardcore
electro, darkwave - even some flat out death rock. This album shows
well the extremes that VAC is capable of.
[sAge]
Velvet Acid Christ: NEURALBLASTOMA . CD
VAC's latest full-length (barring the all but complete Calling Of the
Dead) is actually where Off Beat took many of their dancefloor anthems
from for Church Of Acid. "Sex Disease", "Repulsive", "Vaginismous",
and "Let's Kill All These Mother Fuckers" all appear on Neural
Blastoma in their original form. But then they can throw a whiny goth
track like "She Bleeds Red" in there, and it doesn't sound out of
place! This is certainly their hardest, angriest album. Pummeling
hardcore beats, tripped out highly effected guitar noises, sick,
twisted vocals. This may also be the album that spawned all of the
:WUMPSCUT: comparisons. While I personally feel that those comparisons
are pretty far off the mark, the anger and intensity is similar.
Again, this album is a must have! While all three Velvet Acid Christ
discs are being reworked for official, large-scale release, they've
got a precious few copies left of the original pressings, and if you
act fast, you might still be able to get copies of your very own.
Believe me, they will go down as classics and collector's items in the
eyes of electroheads all over the world, so don't miss out!
[sAge]
GenericCrp
>Personally, all this hype has made me very curious to hear VAC. Maybe
>he's using reverse psychology?
Noct necessarily reverse psychology, but one line which can easily sum up
this entire situation:
There is no such thing as "bad" publicity.
No matter how often Bryan gets slagged off and flamed here, every time
somebody says his name it gains him more publicity (and record sales, for
that matter) than he could ever drum up on his own. Flavius' comment is a
prime example of this phonomenon.
As a good friend of mine once said, "That's the kind of publicity you
can't buy."
Cheers!
Brandt
Generic Productions Corporation - "Where Assimilation Is A Way Of Life"
http://members.aol.com/GenericCrp/
FearFeedsFear: "A hybrid of ambient/dub and experimental soundscapes."
http://members.aol.com/KHULDT/fff.html
E-mail: Gener...@aol.com
Drachen
Benjamin Cossel wrote:
> Let's
> talk Church of Acid, you think the Star Trek samples were heavy? Why don't
> I hear anyone complaining about the over abundace of Aliens samples on
> Haujobb's Cleaned Vision?
Simple. Aliens is industrial (the :W: symbol is everywhere in Alien3).
Star Trek (Borg aside) is not even close. ;)
--
-Drachen
alt.atheism atheist #742
Benjamin Cossel
I'm about tired of this crap being posted about VAC! Get a life folks, you
want to slam a band don't buy their stuff! Or maybe your just a touch
jealous that they are actually doing something, getting stuff out there and
basically doing what all of us with a keyboard or a guitar wish we were
doing! VAC is awsome, you can actually hear the tought put into their
programming, mixing so many different genre's (am I the only one who heard
Beethoven's 7th on Futile?) and it is refreshing to hear a band that
doesn't stick to the same process everytime they put out an album! Let's
talk Church of Acid, you think the Star Trek samples were heavy? Why don't
I hear anyone complaining about the over abundace of Aliens samples on
and as far as I am concerened still represents some of the most inovative
material I've heard in long time! To VAC: I hope you guys play around the
bay area sometime soon as I really want to see you guys live!
VVaveshape <vvave...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970906064...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> If you're looking for yet another generic FLA/Mentallo ripoff with lots
of
> samples of Star Trek and other obvious sources,, Velvet Asshole Crust is
> the band for you! And Mr. Disease here was on the Goth Boi Babe of The
Week
> page, which makes them even cooler! CHECK THEM OUT!
>
TIMOTHY!
NTropic wrote:
>
> Fom what my sources have told me, in article <5uubqv$ehf$2...@usenet88.supernews.com>, "fla...@spectra.net (Flavius)" supposedly said:
> >
> >>samples of Star Trek and other obvious sources,, Velvet Asshole Crust is
> >>the band for you! And Mr. Disease here was on the Goth Boi Babe of The Week
> >>page, which makes them even cooler! CHECK THEM OUT!
> >
> >Never heard VAC nut if they sound anything like FLA they can't be all that
> >bad...
> >
> >Flavius
>
> Rock's description of the Spice Girls: you can't deny that their records sell,
> but good luck finding someone who will admit to buying it.
>
> before offering the slightest bit of criticism, I'd just like to offer the
> comps ... and that is the last time I will ever waste 5 minutes of my life on
> VAC)
>
> ~C., just wondering what kind of name is Velvet Acid Christ, anyway. It
> reminds me of Elvis, Timothy Leary and Jesus, all rolled into one. Either that
> or a cheesy TKK song.
to me the REAL funny thing is that, bout' a year ago...all i heard was
how huge they were going to be.....and, of course , as it turns out,
they are still a small, wothless band that is impossible to find
anywhere....tsk, tsk, tsk..well i hear that vac is HUGE in belgium
though!
heh, ha!
BLASPHEME (TIMOTHY!)
VVaveshape
Disease, like I've asked you many times.. please die. And since you're
going to whine about how mean I am and threaten to send me promos(that is a
threat coming from VAC) since I don't like you, I'll tell you why you need
to die. You fucking plug your band every chance you get, and now that it's
not "cool" to sample Star Trek since you've been informed how lame it is
you're not doing it anymore. And after being called generic for plugging
yourself as an industrial-techno project, you're plugging yourself as
aggroneogrindcoregothdeathpolkaambientmetalebm. Noone cares about what some
magazines have said about you, those are the opinons of the writers and if
someone thinks you suck, that's their opinion. You obviously haven't
noticed that industrial music is in a really bad state right now, or else
you wouldn't be making music. Bands like you are killing it, and just
because you kiss a lot of ass doesn't mean you do anything for the scene.
Flavius
>VELVET ACID CHRIST - The Hand
>
>Velvet Acid Christ have made quite a name for themselves worldwide in
>just a few short months and with the release of this new single, Bryan
>shows no signs of slowing down. The Hand is a brand new track that
>will most likely be part of the next VAC album, due out later this
>year. This track follows VAC’s Off Beat release, Church of Acid, with
>the same hard hitting, splatter industrial that has made their music a
>staple on dance floors from Europe to the US. The Aggro Trash Mix
>combines elements from techno, noise, and strict electro, creating a
>track full of energy and aggression. Bryan’s semi-distorted vocals
>play well over the beat heavy, sample ridden music. The Cut Throat
>Psycho Rave Mix is exactly that, a deadly mix of tech beats, evil
>samples and powerful sequences. The bonus cut, Killing Me, is a goth
>influenced track that was previously released on VAC’s Fate CD. This
>track shows the varying style of VAC, pinpointing where they have come
>from, musically, while at the same time reminding us of how a band’s
>sound can vary while still retaining their original ideas. Beware,
>VAC will soon dominate the scene!
Truly impressive, send me a free CD!!!
Flavius
Flavius
>VELVET ACID CHRIST - CHURCH OF ACID
Hey Mr. Disease, please send me this CD, it sounds good. If I like it,
I will post good things about your band. Thanks.
Flavius
Flavius
>over zealous. This stuff is all new to me, sorry if I am not as cool
>as cEvin Key or Bill Leeb when they post.. I am a kid compared to
>them.
WHAT THE FUCK?! When have the gods you mentioned ever posted to this
newsgroup???? Ever?? Someone help me here. Are there any confirmed postings to
this group by Leeb or Key?
>Hahaahaha, I know that a lot of industrial people tend to think that,
>but oh well, the goth girls dont seem to mind tho..
Well, you know, he looks like an evil goth come to kill the world. If that's
the image he likes, all the more power to him. When I was 15, I wanted to look
just like him. Not to say that you look immature or anything.
>Hahahaahah yeah, you little crook. I used to be like that. Okay, I
>will send you one, E-mail me your snail mail addy, and you can get one
>from me.
Shit man, can I get a FREE VAC CD too?? I'll give you my addy!
Flavius
daniel landherr
Flavius (fla...@spectra.net) wrote:
: >VELVET ACID CHRIST - CHURCH OF ACID
: Hey Mr. Disease, please send me this CD, it sounds good. If I like it,
: I will post good things about your band. Thanks.
Yes, why don't you send free CD's to everyone on RMI. If someone thinks
they might want your disc, GIVE IT TO THEM. Don't make them purchase it,
you don't need to eat.
Oh, posting things on RMI about VAC being good is like Marilyn Manson
preaching to the Christians. They just won't listen.
Dan
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:45:32 -0400, Drachen <dra...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
>Benjamin Cossel wrote:
>> Let's
>> talk Church of Acid, you think the Star Trek samples were heavy? Why don't
>> I hear anyone complaining about the over abundace of Aliens samples on
>> Haujobb's Cleaned Vision?
>
>Simple. Aliens is industrial (the :W: symbol is everywhere in Alien3).
>Star Trek (Borg aside) is not even close. ;)
>
Considering the budget start trek as compared to the aliens movies, I
think they did a damn good job at making the borg very creepy and
cyber punk. I am sick of aliens, and Aliens 3 had to be one of the
worst movies i have ever seen. And I am scared to go see the fourth
knowing that wanoyna rider or however you spell her name, is in the
new movie. I wait with baited breath. the film quality on aliens 3 is
very good though. Oh well..
I watch many things, I am mostly into drama's these days anyways,
there is only so much B-science fiction and B-horror one can take..
Oh but you are not cyber punk unless you sample blade runner or aliens
right? fuck that. You fucking elitist snobbs. Oh boy how many times
have you seen the evil dead or aliens, or blade runner? I know,
watching a movie makes you cool huh?
VAC
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
>Aside from skill at HTML, I get the impression that VAC is somewhat like Chris
>Rock's description of the Spice Girls: you can't deny that their records sell,
>but good luck finding someone who will admit to buying it.
You say this with such bliss.
>(And before you crucify me for not having heard the entire VAC discography
>before offering the slightest bit of criticism, I'd just like to offer the
>defense that I have heard 1 VAC track, from one of the Tyranny Off the Beat
>comps ... and that is the last time I will ever waste 5 minutes of my life on
>VAC)
The sad thing is, that this is an old track, and to judge a band on
one track shows your awesome intelligence. The first wumpscut track I
heard did not impress me that much either, but I gave their CDs a
listen before passing such inane judgements on wumpscut. I hated
skinny puppy the first time i heard dig it. So kill me, but it did
stop them from being my favorite band in the end.
You are probabally some lame jock fuck, Most of the industrial scene
is a bunch of lame jock fucks, its sad, it is good that there are
still some hard core industrial people left though..
>~C., just wondering what kind of name is Velvet Acid Christ, anyway. It
>reminds me of Elvis, Timothy Leary and Jesus, all rolled into one. Either that
>or a cheesy TKK song.
What kind of a name is NTropic? Some kind of fruit juice?
And don't touch TKK, their old music is brilliant.. What a dorky reply
from a dorky person with a dorky alias.
The sensuality of NTropic, the new 40 flavored fruit juice that lasts
in your mouth not in your bowels.. It tastes so good, you'll scream..
Come on all of you lame jock fuck industrial wankers, join in in
making fun of Velvet Acid Christ, Bill Leeb's Lyrics, Download not
being skinny puppy, and Off beat being the worste industrial label
around.. That seems to be the trendy thing to jump on these days in
this pathetic news group, even ALT.GOTHIC isnt this bad.
Fucking trendy butt munching RMI wankers!
KMFMDM was write when they said REC.MUSIC.INDUSTRIAL is full of
wankers!
IRONY IS SO MUCH FUN..
THIS IS BETTER THAN BEVERLY HILLS 90210 ...
D13
I agree with you. So many RMI elitists just come on here and bash the hell
out of pretty much anything and everything that's new and/or different.
This sort of bullshit attitude doesn't really help someone like myself who
looks for new and interesting bands to get into. My $0.02.
d13
VVaveshape
>The sad thing is, that this is an old track, and to judge a band on
>one track shows your awesome intelligence. The first wumpscut track I
>heard did not impress me that much either, but I gave their CDs a
>listen before passing such inane judgements on wumpscut. I hated
>skinny puppy the first time i heard dig it. So kill me, but it did
>stop them from being my favorite band in the end.
You sure plug your "old and dated" material a lot.
>You are probabally some lame jock fuck, Most of the industrial scene
>is a bunch of lame jock fucks, its sad, it is good that there are
>still some hard core industrial people left though..
Which is worse, a "lame jock fuck" or a lame goth druggie loser who does
generic music? I have a hard time with that one..
>What kind of a name is NTropic? Some kind of fruit juice?
>And don't touch TKK, their old music is brilliant.. What a dorky reply
>from a dorky person with a dorky alias.
TKK being brilliant is something you would expect to hear from Velvet
Asshole Crust.
>Fucking trendy butt munching RMI wankers!
>
>KMFMDM was write when they said REC.MUSIC.INDUSTRIAL is full of
>wankers!
I have an idea.. Why don't you stop reading and posting in RMI?
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noise.speedcore.hardgoaacidtrance.badtripambient
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VVaveshape
If you find Velvet Acid Christ "New and Different", you probably enjoy The
Wallflowers as well.
mack the knife
>
> Oh but you are not cyber punk unless you sample blade runner or aliens
> right? fuck that. You fucking elitist snobbs. Oh boy how many times
> have you seen the evil dead or aliens, or blade runner? I know,
> watching a movie makes you cool huh?
>
> VAC
ahem. your keen sense of irony is inspiring, mr. factory. 'you fucking
elitist snobs', coming from the fellow who, in the message preceding
this one to which i respond, claimed that the rmi is populated by
lame-ass jockos. luckily, there are some true, core industrial people
on this newsgroup, you say. you can only use the irony thing a few
times to cover up your inability to post an intelligent message. at least
druid makes no attempt to intellectualize his ramblings.
yours,
niall.
Drachen
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >Simple. Aliens is industrial (the :W: symbol is everywhere in Alien3).
> >Star Trek (Borg aside) is not even close. ;)
> >
>
> Considering the budget start trek as compared to the aliens movies, I
> think they did a damn good job at making the borg very creepy and
> cyber punk. I am sick of aliens, and Aliens 3 had to be one of the
> worst movies i have ever seen. And I am scared to go see the fourth
> knowing that wanoyna rider or however you spell her name, is in the
> new movie. I wait with baited breath. the film quality on aliens 3 is
> very good though. Oh well..
>
> I watch many things, I am mostly into drama's these days anyways,
> there is only so much B-science fiction and B-horror one can take..
>
> Oh but you are not cyber punk unless you sample blade runner or aliens
> right? fuck that. You fucking elitist snobbs. Oh boy how many times
> have you seen the evil dead or aliens, or blade runner? I know,
> watching a movie makes you cool huh?
>
> VAC
>
> Disease Factory ov
> http://www.edtrecords.com/vac/
> http://www.edtrecords.com/pendragon/
> http://www.edtrecords.com
> http://www.edtrecords.com/cultureshock/
> http://www.offbeatassault.com
> http://www.edtrecords.com/aghastview/
> http://www.edtrecords.com/toxiccoma/
Whoa, chill out, DF. It was a joke. That's what this meant -> ;)
Puting something incongruous in a song is half the fun of sampling.
(Screaming Slave off _Fixed_, beginning sample in cold comfort(frozen)
off _Frames_ ect.)
Sample whatever the fuck you want to sample.
--
-Drachen
AkTiF8
>What a dorky reply from a dorky person with a dorky alias.
...dorky three times in one sentence. I think this might be Freudian, folks.
Druid
In article <3412f3f8...@news.nilenet.com>, vact...@nilenet.com
(Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK) wrote:
> TO DRUID: Fuck you! you little do nothing shit, what do you do for the
> industrial scene? I do web pages, help tours, promote bands, and try
> to give info to the public about what is going on in this small scene,
> I am trying to expand it and make it better by working with DJS and
> labels. And all you do you little know nothing fuck is make fun of
> anyone who does try to make things better.
What are you talking about? I provide one of the greatest services
possible in the Industrial community: Quality control. It is my sworn
deputy to pierce through the politics, marketing, and other sundry
bullshit that inevitably clutters the genre and give my honest opinion on
a given musical work.
In all fairness, I have certainly heard worse than VAC. The problem
herein lies in the fact that I have also heard much better. You're
project is, in my opinion, essentially mediocre. What perplexes me then
is why I am forced to contend daily with pushy marketing, overly elaborate
web pages, and nonsensical political drivel from likes of you, a nonentity
programmer. Now, if Claus Larsen were to take the time to reprint
neglible, praising reviews of his releases on RMI, I would simply look the
other way out of respect for his musical apptitude; but you, however, are
infinitely far from such a position, and thus evoke my sardonic wit almost
immediately.
Druid
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"The only thing for us to do is to go on as though nothing had happened,
follow our usual habits, go to bed, and so forth;
pretend we feel nothing and notice nothing.
It is a question wholly of the mind,
and the less we think about THEM the better our chance of escape.
Above all, don't think, for what you think happens!"
-from "The Willows" by Algernon Blackwood
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LOgre2'3
On 10 Sep 1997 00:07:10 GMT, pau...@voicenet.com (Druid) wrote:
>Now, if Claus Larsen were to take the time to reprint neglible, praising reviews of his releases on RMI, I would simply look the
>other way out of respect for his musical apptitude;
What?! How can you respect Claus any more than Diseaseypoo?
GODLIKE423
Ryan Reid, scourge of the VAC camp said:
<<I have an idea.. Why don't you stop reading and posting in RMI?>>
Ryan, I'm afraid I'm going to have to run up and hug you for that one.
Brace yerself.
Michael j Welch
Creator of the Cyberbabies Compilation
An Industrial / Electronic Tour de Force.
Featuring - 16Volt, Assemblage 23, Area 88, Fishtank No. 9, Vault Point
Nine, Terminal 46, Dystopia One, and a few bands that don't have numbers in
their names, too.
SG
On 9 Sep 1997 21:51:51 GMT, akt...@aol.com (AkTiF8) wrote:
>>What a dorky reply from a dorky person with a dorky alias.
>
>...dorky three times in one sentence. I think this might be Freudian, folks.
Hey...your links page is just great........your work is soooo
brilliant....perhaps you should spend more time on it and less time
here.
SG
On 9 Sep 1997 21:51:51 GMT, akt...@aol.com (AkTiF8) wrote:
>>What a dorky reply from a dorky person with a dorky alias.
>
>...dorky three times in one sentence. I think this might be Freudian, folks.
and you sound just a stupid as Freud and his pathetic psychoanalytic
shit........
you said folks...sounds like fucks...therefore you must want to
ass-fuck your grandmother's donkey...
Fuck off and die you cunt
SG
On 9 Sep 1997 21:09:52 GMT, vvave...@aol.com (VVaveshape) wrote:
>I have an idea.. Why don't you stop reading and posting in RMI?
This'll probably happen about the same time you stop using mommy's AOL
porn account and move out of your room at home.
its a shame that ANYONE can use the net now....geez
VVaveshape
>and you sound just a stupid as Freud and his pathetic psychoanalytic
>shit........
>
>you said folks...sounds like fucks...therefore you must want to
>ass-fuck your grandmother's donkey...
>
>Fuck off and die you cunt
The most intelligent post ever seen on rec.music.industrial.
MIKExWELCH
F...@nilenet.com (SG) sed:
<<This'll probably happen about the same time you stop using mommy's AOL
porn account and move out of your room at home.
its a shame that ANYONE can use the net now....geez>>
Funny, that's precisely what *I* was thinking upon reading your post.
Michael j Welch
oh, hell, you know who I am.
Tom Shear
SG was heard to say:
>>and you sound just a stupid as Freud and his pathetic psychoanalytic
>>shit........
>>you said folks...sounds like fucks...therefore you must want to
>>ass-fuck your grandmother's donkey...
>>Fuck off and die you cunt
Wow. MENSA must've let out early tonight...
--Tom
Assemblage 23
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VoltAire
LOgre2'3 (og...@pop3.netaxs.com) wrote:
: What?! How can you respect Claus any more than Diseaseypoo?
Maybe he likes to dance. Please try not to hold it against him.
Flavius
>programmer. Now, if Claus Larsen were to take the time to reprint
>neglible, praising reviews of his releases on RMI, I would simply look the
>infinitely far from such a position, and thus evoke my sardonic wit almost
>immediately.
Godammit! RMI is better than Seinfeld!!!!!
Flavius
daniel landherr
LOgre2'3 (og...@pop3.netaxs.com) wrote:
: On 10 Sep 1997 00:07:10 GMT, pau...@voicenet.com (Druid) wrote:
: >Now, if Claus Larsen were to take the time to reprint neglible, praising reviews of his releases on RMI, I would simply look the
: >other way out of respect for his musical apptitude;
: What?! How can you respect Claus any more than Diseaseypoo?
Well, Claus is a reasonably nice and intelligent person, he wrote some
pretty damned good songs, and he came up with a style that was easy for
:W: to copy. I think Claus comes up with some of the best electro I have
heard. I also think Claus is a lot more down-to-earth and mature. It is
true that his ultra-corrosive vocal style tracks have become rather
cliche, but that's not all he does. Larsen is not a one-trick pony, and
he actually speaks from his heart lyrically. I'm not saying that
everything he's ever done is incredible, but his highlights are AT LEAST
as good as Bill Leeb's, and his lowlights are less frequent.
Dan
AkTiF8
>Hey...your links page is just great........your work is soooo
>brilliant....perhaps you should spend more time on it and less time
>here.
>
>
are you an imbecile?? what goddamn links page??
AkTiF8
>and you sound just a stupid as Freud and his pathetic psychoanalytic
>shit........
>
>you said folks...sounds like fucks...therefore you must want to
>ass-fuck your grandmother's donkey...
>
>Fuck off and die you cunt
>
>
I'm utterly floored by the coherence and sheer witty intelligence of your
reply. I mean, if you would have said
"sometimes a dork is just a dork," okay, I would have said 'touche.'
But you're just another low-intelligence beta-male trying to embellish
your lack of knowledge with gratuitous profanity.
Needless to say, I'm not impressed.
Anyone know if (fro@REMOVE_THISnilenet.com ) is just a VAC alias?
Actually, wait a sec...I have pity...Mr. Disease Factory: if all your fans
are as idiotic as this....I can see how this would warp you.
Eric Oehler
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK wrote:
>
Look, dude, your music may be good (I can't say, I've only hear one or
two songs..which I rather liked...but I'm not qualified to judge your
entire body of work) but I think people are getting annoyed at the fact
that *you're* the one primarily saying how good it is, posting all the
good reviews, raving about your stuff, going off on how your web site is
the greatest thing on the net, etc. Ok, maybe it's true, maybe it's
not. Either way it's hard to take seriously someone who speaks so
highly of themself. It's like infomercials...can you ever take those
inventors at face value?
Once the album's released, well, if it's good, people will buy it and
post good reviews. You won't have to worry about it. Self-promotion is
a tricky art...go too far to one extreme and it's self-deprecation. Go
too far in the other direction and you hit self-aggrandizement and
self-parody. Most people adopt a journalistic stance when speaking of
their own products...tell 'em what it is, how it works, and where they
can get it.
So calm down, have a cola drink of your choice, watch some TV and let
people figure it out for themselves. If they do, then great, if they
don't, then they're probably not the kind of folks you want listening to
your music anyway (unless you're just trying to sell lots of records, in
which case, fuck 'em all and hire an ad agency :).
--
=--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------=
| wo...@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko |
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
AkTiF8
>This'll probably happen about the same time you stop using >mommy's AOL
>porn account and move out of your room at home.
>its a shame that ANYONE can use the net now....geez
And this coming from someone who, out of all the infinite possible
insults, chose to mention
>ass-fuck(ing) your grandmother's donkey...
Which I personally find to be as Freudian as it gets.....must be some kind
of serious incest/bestiality fantasizing going on there.
And another thing....when was the 'NET' limited in access? Unless you're
referring to the ARPAnet, which I doubt....the point of this whole thing is
global and universal access; they let YOU on here, didn't they? Lucky for
you there was no requisite IQ test to pass.
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
>You sure plug your "old and dated" material a lot.
It is my job you moron.
>Which is worse, a "lame jock fuck" or a lame goth druggie loser who does
>generic music? I have a hard time with that one..
No, you are worse, A fucking lame Ronald Regan youth brain washed
nazi, who eternally damns Goths, and Drug users. What an open mind you
have. You stupid little jock nancy regan idiot who pretends to know
what industrial and electro music is all about. EVEN THOUGH OVER HALF
OF THE INDUSTRIAL MUSICIANS OPENLY ADMIT TO DRUG USE, I GET SINGLED
OUT BY YOU STUPID CHRISTIAN JOCK FUCK WANNA BE RIVET HEADS.
>TKK being brilliant is something you would expect to hear from Velvet
>Asshole Crust.
SLAVEGRAPE. EHEHEHEHEHEH ... What the fuck? have you heard confessions
of a knife? or I see good spirits i see bad spirits? these have to be
two of the most influential industrial CDs to have ever been released,
they are beyond beautiful. I bet that was before your time, when you
were still sucking on your mother's chest! Fucking WANKER!
>I have an idea.. Why don't you stop reading and posting in RMI?
I have an idea, Why don't you stick your head in a toilet after you
deficate, and eat your own foul shit, then puke it all over yourself
and musturbate with it. Oh yeah, you already do that. Stupid NAZI
ANTI DRUG, JOCK CHRISTIAN NANCY REGAN IDIOT!
YOU SHOULD STOP SEXING YOUR RELATIVES! YOU FUCKING INBREED!
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
>No he's really tough..never stops reminding how i backed out from fighting
>the electric hellfire club. You better not post like that man, VVaveshape
>never backs down!!!
>
>zach
>invein
Whats this? A fight with hellfire club? Weird.. What is wrong with
hellfire club? I don't know them..
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
On 11 Sep 1997 00:49:52 GMT, appar...@aol.com (Apparratus) wrote:
>>What are you talking about? I provide one of the greatest services
>>possible in the Industrial community: Quality control. It is my sworn
>>deputy to pierce through the politics, marketing, and other sundry
>>bullshit that inevitably clutters the genre and give my honest opinion on
>>a given musical work.
>>
>>In all fairness, I have certainly heard worse than VAC. The problem
>>herein lies in the fact that I have also heard much better. You're
>>project is, in my opinion, essentially mediocre. What perplexes me then
>>is why I am forced to contend daily with pushy marketing, overly elaborate
>>web pages, and nonsensical political drivel from likes of you, a nonentity
>>programmer. Now, if Claus Larsen were to take the time to reprint
>>neglible, praising reviews of his releases on RMI, I would simply look the
>>other way out of respect for his musical apptitude; but you, however, are
>>infinitely far from such a position, and thus evoke my sardonic wit almost
>>immediately.
>>
>>Druid
Okay Druid, let me answer....
This is the problem I have with you and most of this news group..
#1: you people tend to over simplify the comparisons you make.
#2: you people are far to competitive with your ideas and your musical
tastes. (example, This band sucks, and if you like it you are retard)
(example, haujobb is better than VAC will ever be) (example, bill
leebs lyrics and music sucks, if you like FLA you are a poser). Like
jocks playing footbal trying to score the big touchdown so the public
will love you.
#3: you try to gain respect by people on here and compete for whos
opinion means more.
#4: you have a complete disregaurd for talent, just because you don't
like it, doesnt mean that everyone else has to dislike it. calling
something shit or garbage is so lame, it is all a matter of opinion,
if you were truely mature you would say, it is not my thing, i couldnt
get into it and then drop it..
#5: when you people don't like something you go on a campaign to ruin
the bands image, just because you don't like their style, their look,
or their music.. It's stupid.
That is why I refer to you people as jocks, because you are ultra
competitive, and you cannot just let things live if you don't like
them. It's like you go on a whitch hunt if you don't like something,
like the way that jocks bash gays, you bash bands. It is an elitist
fascist attitude that most of you have.. BASH THE GOTH BOI!
You guys just go a head and think such and such is great, and such and
such sucks, but the sad truth is that most people who read this shit
don't even care the least bit about yours or my opinion...
RMI is about %3 of the industrial community... It will not matter what
you say about VAC, NIN, FLA, because when the djs at clubs play it,
and the people ask the dj what it is, THEY WILL GO AND BUY IT! Despite
what your little opinion that you so boldly blert in this news group
thinks..
Druid, to be honest, you spout off like a jealous 7 year old. The sad
thing is, Druid, you could be a good writer for a magazine if you
werent so negative, the rule of my web pages, and the magazine I work
for is this, IF WE DONT LIKE SOMEHTING, WE DONT REVIEW IT.
This spares the bands, and our image of idiotic remarks.
Most the people I know want to do physical damage to your frail 17
year old body. This is sad. But you have pissed off a lot of people in
this scene Druid..
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
WARNING..
IN ORDER TO BETTER UNDERSTAND MY AIMS IN THIS THREAD, I WISH FOR
EVERYONE TO TAKE A SECOND TO PAUSE AND BREATH DEEPLY BEFORE READING
ANY FURTHER.
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OKAY FIRSTLY, I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I AM ONE OF THE BIGGEST
PRANKSTERS IN THIS SCENE, IF YOU QUESTION MY TRUTHFULNESS, THEN GO TO
THE VAC PAGE AT WWW.EDTRECORDS.COM/VAC/ AND READ THE INTERVIEWS
THAT I HAVE GIVEN TO MANY MAGAZINES. JUST CLICK ON THE INTERVIEWS
BUTTON IN THE LEFT LEFT FRAME ON THE PAGE...
I TAKE PRIDE IN BEING A COMPLETE JOKESTER, AN OBNOXIOUS INCOHERANT
WANNA BE SATAN WORSHIPER.
ANYONE WHO CAN TAKE ONE OF MY POSTS OR INTERVIEWS SERIOUSLY SHOULD
HAVE THEIR HEAD EXAMINED FOR MENTAL DIS-ORDERS.
I AM NOT A GOOD ROLE MODEL AS FOR I HAVE LITTLE REGUARD FOR SOCIETY, I
AM QUITE AUTISTIC AND ANTI-SOCIAL. AND THIS IS HOW I AM ABLE TO BE SO
CRUEL BOTH IN MY MUSIC AND IN PUBLIC. IT IS NOT TO BE TAKEN
PERSONALLY, IT IS TO STIR UP CONTROVERSY AND ANNOY PEOPLE SO THEY TALK
ABOUT THE PROJECT. I HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN MY EFFORTS.
THIS WHOLE THREAD WAS ENGINEERED BY EDT, PENDRAGON, AND OFF BEAT AS A
PROMOTIONAL STUNT BY DRUID, WAVESHAPE, SG, KPOTTS, JESSIE MACNISH,
AKTIF8, DONOVAN, MODAD56, VOLTAIRE, FLAVIUS, NTROPIC, APPARRATUS,
DRACHEN, DANIEL LANDHERR, DISEASE FACTORY, THORSTEN STROH, DACHAR,
SAGE, AND DJ DIAKON... ALL OF THESE CONSPIRITERS HAVE BEEN PAID IN
ADVANCE TO POSTING ALL THIS VELVET ACID CHRIST RETORIC TO PROMOTE OUR
UPCOMING RELEASE ON OFF BEAT "CALLING OV THE DEAD" .. PROMOTIONAL CDS,
T-SHIRTS, AND OTHER FUN MERCHANDISE WILL BE SENT TO THE PEOPLE
INVOLVED IN THIS THREAD. SORRY TODAY WAS THE DEADLINE TO POST A PRO OR
CON TO VAC, NO MORE PEOPLE WILL GET FREE STUFF FROM THIS THREAD, AS I
AM PUTTING AN END TO IT...
WE HAD ALL OF YOU IN AWWWEEE! THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE INTERNET
PUBLICITY STUNT OF ALL TIME. OR MAYBE THE FREE TRIP TO SKINNY PUPPY
STUDIOS HOSTED BY BILL LEEB TO GET HITS ON THE OFF BEAT WEB PAGE WILL
STILL TOP THIS ONE, THAT IS UNCERTAIN. BUT NEVER THE LESS WE HAVE
PULLED THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES. BTW THE OFF BEAT PAGED CAN BE FOUND
AT: HTTP://WWW.OFFBEATASSAULT.COM/ ....
NONE OF THE MESSAGES IN THIS THREAD WAS MENT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AND
WAS NOTHING MORE THAN AN OBNOXIOUS PUBLICITY STUNT TO SEE HOW MANY
TIMES THE NAME VELVET ACID CHRIST OR ANY VARIATIONS OF VAC WOULD BE
TYPED ON RMI... IT HAS BEEN A SUCCESS, SO WE THANK ALL OF YOU INVOLVED
IN THIS THREAD.
DRUID IS ACTUALLY FLYING OUT TO COLORADO, WHERE HE WILL STAY AT MY
HOME, DRINK INTOXICATING BEVERAGES, AND FED LIKE A KING FOR HIS
OUTSTANDING EFFORTS IN PROMOTING OUR PROJECT.
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE THRE ARE:
WAVESHAPE= "TKK being brilliant is something you would expect to hear
from Velvet Asshole Crust." FOR THE BEST VARIATION OF THE NAME VELVET
ACID CHRIST..
NTROPIC="~C., just wondering what kind of name is Velvet Acid Christ,
anyway. It reminds me of Elvis, Timothy Leary and Jesus, all rolled
into one. Either that or a cheesy TKK song." FOR THE BEST
QUESTION/EXPLANATION FOR THE NAME VELVET ACID CHRIST.
SG="This'll probably happen about the same time you stop using mommy's
AOL porn account and move out of your room at home. its a shame that
ANYONE can use the net now....geez" FOR THE BEST FLAME TO AN ANTI VAC
POST.
AKTIF8="what the _hell_ was he on when he wrote this?
maybe it should just be velvet acid crackhead from now on." FOR THE
BEST EXPLANATIONS OF MY ERRATIC POSTING, AND ALSO ANOTHER GOOD
VARIATION OF THE NAME VELVET ACID CHRIST AND NOTICING MY EXPENSIVE
DRUG HABBIT.
AKTIF8="...dorky three times in one sentence. I think this might be
Freudian, folks." FOR BEST PSYCHOLOGY USED IN THE ANALYZING MY ERRATIC
POSTING....
DRACHEN="Simple. Aliens is industrial (the :W: symbol is everywhere in
Alien3). Star Trek (Borg aside) is not even close. ;)" FOR NOTICING
HOW START TREK IS A NERD POSER SHOW THAT IS NOT REALLY SYBER PUNK
BECAUSE WUMPSCUT HAS NOT SAMPLED IT OR USED A LOGO FROM IT AS OF YET.
DRUID="Now, if Claus Larsen were to take the time to reprint
negligible, praising reviews of his releases on RMI, I would simply
look the other way out of respect for his musical aptitude." FOR
NOTICING TALENT IN OTHER GREAT BANDS.
DRUID="I provide one of the greatest services possible in the
Industrial community: Quality control. It is my sworn deputy to
pierce through the politics, marketing, and other sundry bullshit that
inevitably clutters the genre and give my honest opinion on a given
musical work." FOR EXPLAINING HIS WONDERFUL EXISTANCE AND SERVICES TO
THE INDUSTRIAL VILLAGE.
DANIEL LANDHERR="I keep reading the posts by Disease Factory, and even
though I've never heard a note of his music, I doubt it is any good.
Anybody who has that much trouble expressing himself verbally makes me
doubt how well he can express himself musically. He simply can't
articulate a coherent thought. Also, I hope the knee-jerk reaction he
has to criticism doesn't show up in his work. Good artists believe in
what they are doing." FOR THE BEST FLAME OV DISEASE FACTORY'S IRRATIC
COMPULSIVE RANTING.
----------
ALL WHO ARE LISTED ABOVE WILL WIN BIG PRIZES THAT ARE BEYOND THE
NORMAL MERCHANDISING PRIZES. SO E-MAIL ME YOUR ADDRESSES TO CASH IN.
CREDITS: ORIGINAL THREAD IDEA= "RUDY RATZINGER OV :W:, BERND OF
INDIVIDUAL TOTEM, IGNO FROM KALTE FARBEN, DISEASE FACTORY OF VAC,
THORSTEN STROH OFF BEAT PRESS GUY, SAGE EDITOR OF CULTURE SHOCK,
ADREAS OF FORMA TADRE, BRENDON AT DIGITAL UNDERGROUND, NEIL AT
ISOLATION TANK, COLM AT PENDRAGON, DAVE HECKMAN AT METROPOLIS, DACHAR
OF THE INDUSTRIAL BIBLE, HYPOSTASIS OF TOXIC COMA, AND JOHAN VON ROY
OF SUICIDE COMMANDO.
THE FOLLOWING THREAD IS A RESULT OF COLD HEARTED CALCULATION OF
BRILLIANCE. THIS MARKETING STRATAGY WILL BE USED AGAIN IN THE FUTURE
BY MANY BANDS..
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION..
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
On 11 Sep 1997 18:59:14 GMT, dlan...@ub.d.umn.edu (daniel landherr)
wrote:
>I keep reading the posts by Disease Factory, and even though I've never
>heard a note of his music, I doubt it is any good. Anybody who has that
>much trouble expressing himself verbally makes me doubt how well he can
>express himself musically. He simply can't articulate a coherent thought.
>Also, I hope the knee-jerk reaction he has to criticism doesn't show up in
>his work. Good artists believe in what they are doing.
>
>All for now,
>
>Dan
>
Sorry I cannot live up to your standards, Really, the music is much
better, I only spent about 2 minutes writting each message, I could
care less what people think. I am obnoxious. You should be taking all
this as a joke.. Just because you cannot decode the fucked up meaning
in my messages, just means you cannot relate to my 2 minute babble...
BRAP ON!
AND I LOVE ALL YOU FANS! :)
I spend much more time on my music :) Really, flame away, I enjoy
being a floor mat for everone. I have a masochism complex.
LOVE ME LOVE ME, SAY THAT YOU LOVE ME.
FOOL ME FOOL ME, GO ON AND FOOL ME.
TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT YOU REALLY REALLY WANT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT WHAT I REALLY REALLY WANT.
TAKE YOUR HATRED OUT ON ME, YOU NEVER EVER BELIEVED IN ME.
i wanna ZIGA ZIG UHHHHHH!
HEY BEAVIS, TURN THE CHANNEL OR SOEMTHING..
WHOS HOT, WHOS NOT?
MORE HUMAN THAN HUMAN.
YOU ARE THE PERFECT DRUG.
AND SO ON AND SO ON...
DRUGS ARE A WONDERFULL THING!
AND SO IT GOES..
vac
Greg Clow
daniel landherr <dlan...@ub.d.umn.edu> wrote:
: ...his highlights are AT LEAST as good as Bill Leeb's...
For some reason, this particular line made me laugh really, really hard.
Greg
Apparratus
>On 9 Sep 1997 21:09:52 GMT, vvave...@aol.com (VVaveshape) wrote:
>
>
>>I have an idea.. Why don't you stop reading and posting in RMI?
>
>This'll probably happen about the same time you stop using mommy's AOL
>porn account and move out of your room at home.
>
>its a shame that ANYONE can use the net now....geez
>
>
No he's really tough..never stops reminding how i backed out from fighting
Apparratus
>What are you talking about? I provide one of the greatest services
>possible in the Industrial community: Quality control. It is my sworn
>deputy to pierce through the politics, marketing, and other sundry
>bullshit that inevitably clutters the genre and give my honest opinion on
>a given musical work.
>
>In all fairness, I have certainly heard worse than VAC. The problem
>herein lies in the fact that I have also heard much better. You're
>project is, in my opinion, essentially mediocre. What perplexes me then
>is why I am forced to contend daily with pushy marketing, overly elaborate
>web pages, and nonsensical political drivel from likes of you, a nonentity
>programmer. Now, if Claus Larsen were to take the time to reprint
>neglible, praising reviews of his releases on RMI, I would simply look the
>other way out of respect for his musical apptitude; but you, however, are
>infinitely far from such a position, and thus evoke my sardonic wit almost
>immediately.
>
>Druid
>
>*********************************************************************
>
>"The only thing for us to do is to go on as though nothing had happened,
>follow our usual habits, go to bed, and so forth;
>pretend we feel nothing and notice nothing.
>It is a question wholly of the mind,
>and the less we think about THEM the better our chance of escape.
>Above all, don't think, for what you think happens!"
>
> -from "The Willows" by Algernon Blackwood
>*********************************************************************
>
>
Yeah you are great Druid...Whatever happened to the PHILLY ELECTRO
SOCIETY?? HAHAHA...Long live the people moron. So maybe Disease is self
promoting, but he sure does have initiative and isnt afraid to say what he
wants. Im sure there will be a nice little bash at me for this, but
despite what you think..none of you are any better than he is.
Zach
INVEIN
www.duke.edu/~zgf
VVaveshape
>Yeah you are great Druid...Whatever happened to the PHILLY ELECTRO
>SOCIETY?? HAHAHA...Long live the people moron. So maybe Disease is self
>promoting, but he sure does have initiative and isnt afraid to say what he
>wants. Im sure there will be a nice little bash at me for this, but
>despite what you think..none of you are any better than he is.
It seems to me that's exactly what Druid and the rest of us are doing.
Saying what we want.
DON0VAN
Well EHC sucks fucking nads and that's for sure
Eric Oehler
SG wrote:
>
> its a shame that ANYONE can use the net now....geez
Oh, man, not again.
Somebody has said this just about every year since the ARPANet was
funded.
Remember, no matter how long you've been on the net, somebody's been
there longer. Unless you're Larry Landwebber, but I really doubt he
reads RMI.
Eric Oehler
Drachen wrote:
>
> Benjamin Cossel wrote:
> > Let's
> > talk Church of Acid, you think the Star Trek samples were heavy? Why don't
> > I hear anyone complaining about the over abundace of Aliens samples on
> > Haujobb's Cleaned Vision?
>
Cleaned Vision (and in fact, the other three or four samples on SFASP)
were from the TNG ep "Q Who?" which was, startlingly, the same borg ep
that those VAC samples come from. Except Haujobb processed the hell out
of them.
> Simple. Aliens is industrial (the :W: symbol is everywhere in Alien3).
Weyland-Yutani. Building Better Worlds.
"I know, Burke. I read the brochure." - Ripley.
God, I love that movie.
> Star Trek (Borg aside) is not even close. ;)
>
But...but...if ST isn't industrial, then my WHOLE WORLD IS THROWN INTO
CHAOS! OH NO! AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!
<yeah, that's sarcasm>
--
Eric Oehler
Drachen wrote:
>
> Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK wrote:
>
> I hate it when musicians do this. Disease, keep the songs with the Star
> Trek samples in the US album (but please keep the new traks in). This
>
Oh, and who cares anyway. It's *always* been trendy to sample Star
Trek. Information Society's self titled in the mid-80's, Front242
sampled Voyage Home left and right on Front By Front...
Sample whatever the hell you like. Of course, if it's Star Trek, just
be prepared to get your ass sued by the Paramount Juggernaut. That's
the real problem, innit?
DON0VAN
Did you know that in Aliens 4 that Weyland Yutani is now :W:almart?
hehehe
AkTiF8
>>Which is worse, a "lame jock fuck" or a lame goth druggie loser who does
>>generic music? I have a hard time with that one..
>
>No, you are worse, A fucking lame Ronald Regan youth brain washed
>nazi, who eternally damns Goths, and Drug users. What an open mind you
>have. You stupid little jock nancy regan idiot who pretends to know
>what industrial and electro music is all about. EVEN THOUGH OVER HALF
>OF THE INDUSTRIAL MUSICIANS OPENLY ADMIT TO DRUG USE, I GET SINGLED
>OUT BY YOU STUPID CHRISTIAN JOCK FUCK WANNA BE RIVET HEADS.
>
>>Asshole Crust.
>
>of a knife? or I see good spirits i see bad spirits? these have to be
>two of the most influential industrial CDs to have ever been released,
>they are beyond beautiful. I bet that was before your time, when you
>were still sucking on your mother's chest! Fucking WANKER!
>
>
>deficate, and eat your own foul shit, then puke it all over yourself
>and musturbate with it. Oh yeah, you already do that. Stupid NAZI
>ANTI DRUG, JOCK CHRISTIAN NANCY REGAN IDIOT!
>
>YOU SHOULD STOP SEXING YOUR RELATIVES! YOU FUCKING INBREED!
>
>VAC
>
>http://www.edtrecords.com/vac/
>http://www.edtrecords.com/pendragon/
>http://www.edtrecords.com
>http://www.edtrecords.com/cultureshock/
>http://www.offbeatassault.com
>http://www.edtrecords.com/aghastview/
>http://www.edtrecords.com/toxiccoma/
>
>
what the _hell_ was he on when he wrote this?
maybe it should just be velvet acid crackhead from now on.
later everyone, gotta go musturbate.
daniel landherr
VVaveshape
>Whats this? A fight with hellfire club? Weird.. What is wrong with
>hellfire club? I don't know them..
An irellevent attempt at a flame, because I'm friends with EHC.
downfall
On 11 Sep 1997, Apparratus wrote:
> Yeah you are great Druid...Whatever happened to the PHILLY ELECTRO
> SOCIETY??
druid *is* the pes...he's so elite he doesn't need another member to rule
over philly.
> HAHAHA...Long live the people moron.
judging from the "people" here on rmi i'd say it's best to let them die
slowly and leave the world to the few...the intellegent...the elite.
-downfall
"the man has no sense of reality" - george drakoulias
VVaveshape
>Most the people I know want to do physical damage to your frail 17
>year old body. This is sad. But you have pissed off a lot of people in
>this scene Druid..
Says the pot to the kettle...
AkTiF8
>YOU ARE THE PERFECT DRUG.
>
>AND SO ON AND SO ON...
>
>DRUGS ARE A WONDERFULL THING!
he's finally lost his tentative grasp on reality...
anyone know what the insanity limit on acid trips is?
I would be willing to bet that senor disease has far surpassed it.
NTropic
Fom what my sources have told me, in article
<3416b7e...@news.nilenet.com>, "vact...@nilenet.com (Disease Factory ov
VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK)" supposedly said:
>Okay Druid, let me answer....
<snip>
>
>#4: you have a complete disregaurd for talent, just because you don't
>like it, doesnt mean that everyone else has to dislike it. calling
>something shit or garbage is so lame, it is all a matter of opinion,
>if you were truely mature you would say, it is not my thing, i couldnt
>get into it and then drop it..
>
Man, nobody tells me anything. We're supposed to all be happy and respectful
now? Well, it's good to see Barney, dear old Mom and Mr. Rodgers have finally
accomplished their mission.
Spare me, VACuous. If you can't take the heat from someone like Druid, and are
instead forced to resort to whining about how he's being mean and unfair, then
you should just lock yourself in your parents' house, because the real world
just ain't for you.
>#5: when you people don't like something you go on a campaign to ruin
>the bands image, just because you don't like their style, their look,
>or their music.. It's stupid.
>
I would hardly call criticism a "campaign to ruin" you. Face it, VACuum, some
people really don't like your music and your "style." And you know what, you
talk about taking the mature "high road," but you don't. You descend into the
thick of it, with righteous indignation in hand, proudly proclaiming you're
doing something to help the scene. Well, maybe you are, jerko, but the scene
is of secondary importance. The scene is the people you whine about on RMI;
I'd say this ng is a pretty good cross-section, actually. The scene is the
people who submerge their indentity into the music. So you'll forgive me if I
crack a smile when the "Industrial" scene crumbles. As for the music - that's
what you should be worried about. But you're quite obviously not; at least not
primarily. So you'll forgive me if I ignore the accolades you've received.
Forgive me if I ignore your cult following. And above all, forgive me for not
being a nice guy.
>
>That is why I refer to you people as jocks, because you are ultra
>competitive, and you cannot just let things live if you don't like
>them. It's like you go on a whitch hunt if you don't like something,
>like the way that jocks bash gays, you bash bands. It is an elitist
>fascist attitude that most of you have.. BASH THE GOTH BOI!
>
You seem to imply that competition is a bad thing ... why? Competition is what
makes life interesting; it's what drives us further. And perhaps some people
would be happier if VAC was out of existence ... but can you honestly say you
haven't wished something didn't affect you anymore?
As for Elitism, well, if you haven't come to accept it as part of the scene
which you love so much, you're either hopelessly idealistic or equally naive.
And as for fascism, where the hell are you coming up with that one? What does
fascism have to with any of this? You sound like every silly goth who tried to
insult industrial kids, though they had no idea what they were talking about.
Go look up fascism. Reading might do you some good.
<snip>
>
>Druid, to be honest, you spout off like a jealous 7 year old. The sad
>thing is, Druid, you could be a good writer for a magazine if you
>werent so negative, the rule of my web pages, and the magazine I work
>for is this, IF WE DONT LIKE SOMEHTING, WE DONT REVIEW IT.
>This spares the bands, and our image of idiotic remarks.
>
Well, yes, Druid does spout off like a kid sometimes. But I don't see why you
insist on attacking him for having an opinion. Whatever attitude he hides it
in, that's all it is. An opinion. If you don't like it, ignore it. And
negative criticism doesn't necessitate being "mean" about it. Constructive
criticism can be negative or positive, you know.
>Most the people I know want to do physical damage to your frail 17
>year old body. This is sad. But you have pissed off a lot of people in
>this scene Druid..
>
Frail body? You've obviously never met him.
Well, just my two cents. Maybe I just don't like "nice" scene kids.
~C.
Xkommunik8
Eric Oehler <wo...@itis.com> wrote:
>Oh, and who cares anyway. It's *always* been trendy to sample Star
>Trek. Information Society's self titled in the mid-80's, Front242
>sampled Voyage Home left and right on Front By Front...
So has Die Warzau. One of their songs has the "please, make it stop"
sound bit taken from a STTG episode.
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VVaveshape
>It is my job you moron.
Get fired from Burger King? That just doesn't make sense to me. You plug
your released material then expect people to understand that it's "old and
dated".. Why should anyone waste their money then?
>No, you are worse, A fucking lame Ronald Regan youth brain washed
>nazi, who eternally damns Goths, and Drug users. What an open mind you
>have. You stupid little jock nancy regan idiot who pretends to know
>what industrial and electro music is all about. EVEN THOUGH OVER HALF
>OF THE INDUSTRIAL MUSICIANS OPENLY ADMIT TO DRUG USE, I GET SINGLED
>OUT BY YOU STUPID CHRISTIAN JOCK FUCK WANNA BE RIVET HEADS.
Heheheheh, I can't wait for what you come up with next. I don't damn
goths, for one. Just pathetic ones like yourself. Second of all, I could
care less about being a rivethead. It's a pathetic click if you ask me. And
didn't you tell me in email that you haven't done drugs in years yet on
your homepage "Calling ov the Dead"(wow that 'ov' thing is pretty
origional, where did you think of that?) boasts "More Drugs!"? Now who the
hell is brainwashed? You don't know shit about me. You're jumping to call
people on this newsgroup all of this shit.. don't you think that's a little
hypocritical. Ok people, here's a lesson in Marilyn Mansonism. If you don't
like my band, you're a stupid christian jock fuck wanna be.
>SLAVEGRAPE. EHEHEHEHEHEH ... What the fuck? have you heard confessions
>of a knife? or I see good spirits i see bad spirits? these have to be
>two of the most influential industrial CDs to have ever been released,
>they are beyond beautiful. I bet that was before your time, when you
>were still sucking on your mother's chest! Fucking WANKER!
I've heard every album done by TKK. Confessions of a Knife and 13 Above
the Night had some mediocre music and were good enough to spawn some club
hits, but brilliant and influental, and INDUSTRIAL? I guess this statement
fits well under Druid's description.. "what you would expect from club kids".
>I have an idea, Why don't you stick your head in a toilet after you
>deficate, and eat your own foul shit, then puke it all over yourself
>and musturbate with it. Oh yeah, you already do that. Stupid NAZI
>ANTI DRUG, JOCK CHRISTIAN NANCY REGAN IDIOT!
Muahahahahhah.
>YOU SHOULD STOP SEXING YOUR RELATIVES! YOU FUCKING INBREED!
Damn you're pretty intellectual, I think I'll give your music a second
chance simply because a genius like you MUST be good at it.
Flavius
>unfortunatly....i'd have to agree.....i never saw a "goth boi" in a napalm
>death shirt before.
I know I'm gonna get flamed to death for this, but from the one photo at
Offbeat, I think the guy looks cool. Very evil.
>and sounds like razors through flesh.
FLA Hellraiser sample quote alert!
Flavius
Flavius
>>Hey...your links page is just great........your work is soooo
>>brilliant....perhaps you should spend more time on it and less time
>>here.
>>
>>
>
>are you an imbecile?? what goddamn links page??
DF's Links page on Offbeat site, you idiot.
Flavius
>Which is worse, a "lame jock fuck" or a lame goth druggie loser who does
>generic music? I have a hard time with that one..
No way, the jock loses hands down.
>>KMFMDM was write when they said REC.MUSIC.INDUSTRIAL is full of
>>wankers!
KMFMDM? Write? Whoa man, you need glasses!
Flavius
Flavius
>: What?! How can you respect Claus any more than Diseaseypoo?
Come on guys, at least VAC are signed to a semi-major label, which happens to
be one hell of a label. That accomplishment alone would probably give many
RMIrs a wet dream.
Flavius
>he actually speaks from his heart lyrically. I'm not saying that
>everything he's ever done is incredible, but his highlights are AT LEAST
>as good as Bill Leeb's,
Ok, I'll grant you that.
>and his lowlights are less frequent.
But that's bullshit. Larsen has had WAY more lowlights than Leeb.
Flavius
Flavius
>Michael j Welch
>oh, hell, you know who I am.
No I don't. Michael Welch is one hell of a common name. Michael P Welch wrote
DX-Ball for Windows 95 for instance, and lives in my area.
Flavius
VVaveshape
>THIS WHOLE THREAD WAS ENGINEERED BY EDT, PENDRAGON, AND OFF BEAT AS A
>PROMOTIONAL STUNT BY DRUID, WAVESHAPE, SG, KPOTTS, JESSIE MACNISH,
>AKTIF8, DONOVAN, MODAD56, VOLTAIRE, FLAVIUS, NTROPIC, APPARRATUS,
>DRACHEN, DANIEL LANDHERR, DISEASE FACTORY, THORSTEN STROH, DACHAR,
>SAGE, AND DJ DIAKON... ALL OF THESE CONSPIRITERS HAVE BEEN PAID IN
>ADVANCE TO POSTING ALL THIS VELVET ACID CHRIST RETORIC TO PROMOTE OUR
>UPCOMING RELEASE ON OFF BEAT "CALLING OV THE DEAD" .. PROMOTIONAL CDS,
>T-SHIRTS, AND OTHER FUN MERCHANDISE WILL BE SENT TO THE PEOPLE
>INVOLVED IN THIS THREAD. SORRY TODAY WAS THE DEADLINE TO POST A PRO OR
>CON TO VAC, NO MORE PEOPLE WILL GET FREE STUFF FROM THIS THREAD, AS I
>AM PUTTING AN END TO IT...
HAHAHAHAH! YOU REALLY HAD ME GOING! I ACUALLY FELL FOR IT! SO YOU THINK
YOUR MUSIC SUCKS TOO?
AkTiF8
scene than vac ever has....check one of his old sig files.
%% %% % %%%%%% <QUOTE/>It's like at a rave we
%% %% %%%%%% create a kind of environment...
%%%% %% that encourages that kind ay feelin.
%% %% %% %% It's the whole vibe. But it dosnae
%% %% %% %% transfer that well tae the ootside
%% %% %% %% world.--irvine welsh.</QUOTE>
%% %%%% ...http://members.aol.com/aktif8....
<.webDzign.howtobecYb3r.rave.242iloveyou.randomdebris.>
VVaveshape
>No way, the jock loses hands down.
Coming from someone who thinks FLA is non-formulatic, I'd expect that response.
>KMFMDM? Write? Whoa man, you need glasses!
You're replying to the wrong person, I was quoting Disease on that.
AkTiF8
>DF's Links page on Offbeat site, you idiot.
heyhey...flame directed at the wrong person.
the guy that posted this was definitely referring to a page that is
supposedly mine...this is the vac fan posting this...i dont think he's
gonna flame vac. this is the guy that says df's html is 'brilliant'
unless this dude is seriously confused.
VVaveshape
>But that's bullshit. Larsen has had WAY more lowlights than Leeb.
What most people consider "lowlights" from Claus are acually because
people don't like change. People like you want 15 albums of the same shit,
just recorded better each time.
DON0VAN
Heh Heh. I want Thorsten standing at my P.O. Box nekit for my prize heh
heh....
KiIlARaver
>
>No he's really tough..never stops reminding how i backed out from fighting
>the electric hellfire club. You better not post like that man, VVaveshape
>never backs down!!!
>
>zach
>invein
HAHAHA !! you are that puss? that's pretty damn funny! I heard the whole
story on that! This idiot ran his mouth to one of the guys from EHC
online,saying he and his friends were gonna pound EHC at their show.When
EHC played his town the guy didnt even have the balls to tell HEC who he
was.THEN he started e-mailing Cleopatra Records,crying about how the EHC
was gonna kick his ass! VVaveshape may never back down...but you sure do!
MIKExWELCH
you forgot MIKExWELCH.
but keep the fabulous prizes.
Michael Welch - http://members.aol.com/mikexwelch/cyberbabies
CYBERBABIES - An Industrial/Electronic Compilation.
Manager: N I H I L (www.concentric.net/~nihil)
"Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamps." P.E.
daniel landherr
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK (vact...@nilenet.com) wrote:
: Druid, to be honest, you spout off like a jealous 7 year old. The sad
: thing is, Druid, you could be a good writer for a magazine if you
: werent so negative, the rule of my web pages, and the magazine I work
: for is this, IF WE DONT LIKE SOMEHTING, WE DONT REVIEW IT.
: This spares the bands, and our image of idiotic remarks.
Remind me never to read your publication, as this means it is useless.
Why not just list the albums you like and leave it at that. I want to
hear if someone doesn't like something and I want to hear why. Telling me
positive and negative keeps me informed on everything. Ignoring things
you don't like doesn't help me decide on those items in the slightest.
Suppose Consumer Reports only told you if products were good. You'd never
know what low-quality things to stay away from.
Actually, this makes me assume that you are a complete kiss-ass. If you
don't like something, you are afraid to say it because that person might
stop liking you, and might not bring you on tour with them, etc. Maybe
there is a conflict of interests here. I think reviewers should be as
impartial as possible; if you can't do that, then I suggest you stop
reviewing.
Dan
Michael J. Heidenreich
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK (vact...@nilenet.com) spoketh:
>
> AND I LOVE ALL YOU FANS! :)
>
> I spend much more time on my music :) Really, flame away, I enjoy
> being a floor mat for everone. I have a masochism complex.
>
> LOVE ME LOVE ME, SAY THAT YOU LOVE ME.
> FOOL ME FOOL ME, GO ON AND FOOL ME.
>
> TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT YOU REALLY REALLY WANT.
> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WANT WHAT I REALLY REALLY WANT.
>
> TAKE YOUR HATRED OUT ON ME, YOU NEVER EVER BELIEVED IN ME.
>
> i wanna ZIGA ZIG UHHHHHH!
>
> HEY BEAVIS, TURN THE CHANNEL OR SOEMTHING..
>
> WHOS HOT, WHOS NOT?
>
> MORE HUMAN THAN HUMAN.
>
> YOU ARE THE PERFECT DRUG.
>
> AND SO ON AND SO ON...
>
> DRUGS ARE A WONDERFULL THING!
>
>
> vac
>
Ladies and gentlemen, BILLY HARRIGAN is back!
Mike
--
[Mike Heidenreich][Michigan Technological University]
[mjhe...@mtu.edu] [http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~mjheiden]
Eric Oehler
re: This whole VAC good/bad debate: Useful Discussion or RMI
Wank-a-thon?
I'm gunna say wank-a-thon.
:)
=--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------=
| wo...@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko |
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
Do I please you? Do you find me pleasing?
Disease Factory ov VAC/EDT/OFFBEAT/CULTURESHOCK
>and you know what? with this pathetic display, you just guaranteed i never
>will. your job is not to be a fucking jerk and whine (badly) about this, that,
>or the other thing. your job is not to pick fights with rmi'ers who don't like
>your music.
Sorry again, if you read one of the messages, I did say that this was
a big joke and not to be taken seriously, and that it was a
promotional stunt, that is the truth... And the flames were just a
nice bonus. It was fun.. One thing you should know, is that the guy i
flamed picked that fight with me in e-mail, he told me to commit
suicide by walking in front of a bus and called my mother names and
stuff ehehehe.. so I feel that my response although a joke, was just.
Some guy started this thread by asking if VAC was good, then if you
read the thread many followed and said, yeah they are great etc etc.
Then all the wankers ganged up on me and started throwing personal
attacks at me and my band before i even posted a single utterance..
Making fun of the fact that I looked goth etc. I bet you would react
to this even worse than i did, I laughed at it and turned it into
promotions for my band... Thanks for contributing your comments tho,
but the contest is over..
>you make records. stick to that.
I plan on it :) thanks for the advice..
>re-read your post a few times and tell me if it seems stupid in retrospect.
>re-read your post and tell me if you would respect the person that wrote it.
>step back, get a grip, and above all, shut the fuck up. alienating this group
>is probably the stupidest move you could make, and if i did your PR, i'd have to
>beat you about the head for the illiterate and childish way you have conducted
>yourself. simply pathetic, and no amount of bravado or blustering can change
>that.
I will not argue there, this thread is stupid and a complete joke.. I
am not trying to live up to the proper industrial way of doing things,
I do things my way. and i think this is much more fun then what a lot
of you people do and say. Why be normal? why do things properly the
same old boaring way to sell the measly 1000 copies that most indy
label bands sell. Why not set the fucking house on fire and watch
people turn red in the face and make asses out of themselves and get
the name posted over and over? why not I ask you? Is it because you
have this pre conception of how people should type, write music, write
lyrics, and conduct their communication? I will not be like all of you
"Professionals" who type messages that are so boaring you have to skip
over them to keep your eyes from closing due to extreme lack of
interest that induces fatigue?
Look at how interesting what I said was, all of you just had to make a
responce, because it was so interesting. and if you say it is so lame,
then why even pay attention to it at all? because I have struck a
nerve.. And that is the beauty of controversy...
I wish no ill will on any of you really, you are all just words to me,
I know not of your soul, or your personality. Some of you that flamed
me could be the coolest people on the earth for all i know, as I could
be to you outside of this forum of competition... I do apologize if I
have hurt or mentally disturbed any of you. That was not my
intention.Or was it? eheheheh....
Look at it like this, aside from all this public BS, if I were to call
you on the telephone and have a long chat with you, I am sure you
would think i was prety cool. because I talk a lot about all kinds of
weird things, prolly things that you are into as well.. I dare anyone
to leave me their phone #, I will call you.. I will talk to you.. Just
to show you I am not above any of you. nor am I below. I am just like
most of you, weather you realize that or not... E-mail me, We can
discuss this..
You won't catch most musicians even posting on here. Most signed
musicians won't even give you the time of day, and right now it's 3:14
pm in colorado..Atleast I am participating in all of this no matter
how obnoxious I am at doing it...
VAC
Disease Factory ov
http://www.edtrecords.com/vac/
http://www.edtrecords.com/pendragon/
http://www.edtrecords.com
http://www.edtrecords.com/cultureshock/
http://www.offbeatassault.com
http://www.edtrecords.com/aghastview/
http://www.edtrecords.com/toxiccoma/