If you had to choose between Gravity Kills and a kick in the head...
Francis X. Connor
No contest. The kick in the head.
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Jennifer J. Barkas
In article <4manir$n...@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>,
Francis X. Connor <wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>No contest. The kick in the head.
hmm . . . i guess it's time for mario and i to have a stomping session on
campus?
;)
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Mark Beeson
// Francis X. Connor <wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
// >No contest. The kick in the head.
Kick in the head, a few punches to the stomach, and a tazer to the
sternum before I hear "Aiiiiie Aiiiiie Aiiiiie Don't Neeeeeeed real
instruments, Aiiiiiie Aiiiiie Aiiiiie can't sing for shit..." (etc
etc.. sorry for even quoting that much)
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C-ko
In article <4manir$n...@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>, wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
(Francis X. Connor) wrote:
> No contest. The kick in the head.
Hmmm.....I'd have to go with kick in the head over Gravity Kills, esp.
since I have experienced both quite recently :)
The kick in the head was definitely more fun.
C-ko
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ShadowRing
Uhhhhhh....
I think that I would prefer to _give_ a kick in the head to the
lead singer of Gravity Kills.
};^)
Sarah J Frankel
ShadowRing (shado...@aol.com) wrote:
: Uhhhhhh....
: I think that I would prefer to _give_ a kick in the head to the
: lead singer of Gravity Kills.
: };^)
Ahh! True logic at work!
Colin
AggroChik
this is a trick question. anyone who would choose to listen to GK
*deserves* a kick in the head, and will undoubtedly receive one.... anyone
who chooses a kick in the head, well..... they get a kick in the head.
it's a vicious circle only a true masochist could enjoy. imagine a kick in
the head while listening to GK.... the mind reels.....
later.
aggie
Ronald James Davitz
*sigh*
i suppose GK is a NIN ripoff? or isnt *real* industrial.....you obviously
have LOTS of free time to be thinking about _kicks in the head_....yer
the only one who needs a kick in the head.....so that you wake the fuck up..
AggroChik (aggr...@aol.com) wrote:
: this is a trick question. anyone who would choose to listen to GK
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Ronald James Davitz (bir...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: *sigh*
: i suppose GK is a NIN ripoff? or isnt *real* industrial.....you obviously
: have LOTS of free time to be thinking about _kicks in the head_....yer
: the only one who needs a kick in the head.....so that you wake the fuck up..
Great. A newbie. Just when it seems like people are going to start
posting more intelligent, well thought-out reviews, Mr. Davitz had to
stroll along just to prove his ignorance to the masses.
If you want to wallow in mediorcrity and listen to GK, fine. It doesn't
take a lot of free time to figure out that they're a cookie-cutter
"let's be NIN" act. Just please, either try to civilized about it, or
keep your lame "comments" between yourself and your other grade-school
buddies.
Later, homeboy...
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AggroChik
bir...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald James Davitz) wrote:
>*sigh*
>i suppose GK is a NIN ripoff? or isnt *real* industrial.....you obviously
>have LOTS of free time to be thinking about _kicks in the head_....yer
>the only one who needs a kick in the head.....so that you wake the fuck
up..
heya Ronnie James D. thanks for the kind words. your input is much
appreciated and will be discussed at our next board meeting.
duh. don't take shit so fucking seriously, knothead.
later.
aggie
PacoMcTaco
Hrm...I think I'd take a railroad spike through my ampalang or a big, fat,
orange poodle turd down my gullet than a decent half hour of listening to
GK's insipidly annoying, intrinsically idiotic tripe. I borrowed the album
from a friend, and even though it sucked at first, I even gave them a
second listening, just in case I wasn't in the "mood" the first time. But
it still sucked the proverbial wet, hairy scrotum. I can see it now-MTV is
sure to pick up this "hot" new "talent", throw it in the buzzbin, put it
on heavy rotation, and VOILA!---we have a bunch of little fanboy dweebs
with no personal creativity slobbering over this pathetic rip-off of a
band. Anyone that can watch an hour of MTV and enjoy it has NO personal
musical taste. They need eMpTyV to decide for them what is worth listening
to. It is the most heinous hierarchy in the history of the music industry.
If MTV aired a bunch of videos from industrial bands like FLA, Skinny
Puppy, Chemlab, etc., and played them heavily, those bands would be the
new "big thing". The music on MTV is an aquired taste(i.e- the masses are
"force fed" this drivel until they become accustomed to it.). Think about
it. Sure, some people genuinely like the Goo Goo Dolls, Stone Temple
Pilots, Mariah Carey, George Micheal, etc. But, hey, some people genuinely
like blood sausage and head cheese. Its all psychology. Its not about what
you "like or "don't like" when you watch MTV, its about "marketing
potential" and "maximum media penetration". Someone should shoot MTV's
fucking satellite down. What once was a lone bastion for musical
independence and originality is now a corporate wart on the smooth skin of
the music industry. Its kinda sad, really.
PacoM...@aol.com(damn, I need a
new name, doncha think?)
NO I don't have a .sig. Do YOU have a PROBLEM with that, PUNK?
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GodClod
>the reason gk is popular isn't because
>they are on television. it's because they're good.
Brilliant!
It wouldn't have anything to do with a promo cassette single with every issue
of AP from a few months ago, or eMpTeeVee rotation, or "alternative radio's"
_play_until_you're_nuts format....Force feed the masses and the feeble minds
DO fall...especially those young kids...marketing does a little brain washing
for the 16 and under set...
>oh yeah, i like the new george michael too.
twice in one post...UGH!
Nevermind...
GodClod
Stephen Prater
> I can see it now-MTV is
>sure to pick up this "hot" new "talent", throw it in the buzzbin, put
it
>on heavy rotation, and VOILA!---we have a bunch of little fanboy dweebs
>with no personal creativity slobbering over this pathetic rip-off of a
>band. Anyone that can watch an hour of MTV and enjoy it has NO personal
>musical taste. They need eMpTyV to decide for them what is worth
listening
>to. It is the most heinous hierarchy in the history of the music
industry.
>If MTV aired a bunch of videos from industrial bands like FLA, Skinny
>Puppy, Chemlab, etc., and played them heavily, those bands would be the
>new "big thing". The music on MTV is an aquired taste(i.e- the masses
are
>"force fed" this drivel until they become accustomed to it.). Think
about
>it. Sure, some people genuinely like the Goo Goo Dolls, Stone Temple
>Pilots, Mariah Carey, George Micheal, etc. But, hey, some people
genuinely
>like blood sausage and head cheese. Its all psychology. Its not about
what
>you "like or "don't like" when you watch MTV, its about "marketing
>potential" and "maximum media penetration". Someone should shoot MTV's
>fucking satellite down.
i love gravity kills. and i didn't know they were even on MTV. why?
BECAUSE I DON'T WATCH IT!!!! so. the reason gk is popular isn't because
they are on television. it's because they're good. (industrial? maybe,
maybe not.)
oh yeah, i like the new george michael too.
what exactly is your problem with exposure. because a band has enough
<insert verb of choice here from following list - talent, ingeniuty,
greed, captilist tendencies, newness, name recognition> to be on MTV they
automatically suck. NIN is on MTV - do they suck? (i once saw a
ministry video on MTV (back when i watched it in 8th grade) too.) a lot
of decent bands are on MTV. and just because they are popular doesn't
mean they aren't any good. it just means they have appeal.
the way i see it. GK has (pretty successfully) blended techno-
alternative-pop with industrial music. that is why they are popular,
because they combine the best of both worlds.
thanks. thats my three and a half cents.
-dystopic
brandonch
GodClod wrote:
>
> >the reason gk is popular isn't because
> >they are on television. it's because they're good.
>
> It wouldn't have anything to do with a promo cassette single with every issue
> of AP from a few months ago, or eMpTeeVee rotation, or "alternative radio's"
> _play_until_you're_nuts format....Force feed the masses and the feeble minds
> DO fall...especially those young kids...marketing does a little brain washing
> for the 16 and under set...
>
>
> Nevermind...
>
That piece of shit excuse for industrial music wounds like the stuff
KMFDM was doing five or six years ago. Gravity Kills reminds me of
Machines of Loving Grace....copy someone else's style because you're so
untalented you can't create an original song yourself, get on a major
label with a huge promotional push, make it on MTV's buzz bin and on
alternative radio, make lots of money! Gravity Kills sucks!
Mark Beeson
Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
// the reason gk is popular isn't because they are on television.
It's because TVT has decided to market the fuck out of their "NIN2"
boys instead of spending their promotional dollars on better bands
(say, the entire WaxTrax label).
// it's because they're good.
At what? Dressing up with gigantic Russian babushkas?
(Another HUGE F'N FUZZY HAT! reference)
// that is why they are popular, because they combine the best
// of both worlds.
TVT's incompetence, and TVT's blindness.
// thanks. thats my three and a half cents.
Which is about as much as I'd pay for the FUZZY HAT album.
BIG HINT: when your keyboard goes sprawling across the stage and
you aren't playing it, yet the keyboard _and_ bass lines (nevermind
that you don't have a bassist) continue to play, and your lead
singer drops his mic but the vocals continue on, it isn't blind
luck.
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ma...@nin.com (Mark Beeson) wrote,
BIG HINT: when your keyboard goes sprawling across the stage and
you aren't playing it, yet the keyboard _and_ bass lines (nevermind
that you don't have a bassist) continue to play, and your lead
singer drops his mic but the vocals continue on, it isn't blind
luck.
So just what are you saying exactly? I don't get it?
-bmCnelis
A: Why choose just one?
Sharon Maher
lets be perfectly honest ladies and gentlemen:
what sells in this industry? schtuff that has money backing it. gravity
kills obviously never got big becuz someone said, "hey, this is a decent
band, lets put a shitload of backing behind it and push it like crazy."
people put money out to get greater quantities of it back. it the laws of
economics. not talent.
by the way, i am ashamed to have a prodigy id now ( well... not like i
wasn't before).
i mean, not only do i get lumped up with these shits, but i can't afford
a nomal service anyway.
ah, screw it.
KYron
Michael J. Salo
Sorry to repeat what everyone already knows, but they *really do suck.
"one and one and one makes three
one and one why can't you see?"
That lead singer is a walking cliche, yet he still manages an
'attitude'-- oooh ssssasssy. How can people even listen to this, much
less watch the video or dance to it at clubs?
I admit to still liking stabbing westward (1st album at least), but GK
and Filter can, (in the words of Adam Sandler): "lick my sweaty f---ing
sack"
Constant Hazard
Sharon Maher wrote:
>
> what sells in this industry? schtuff that has money backing it.
> gravity kills obviously never got big becuz someone said, "hey, this
> is a decent band, lets put a shitload of backing behind it and push it
> like crazy."
Well, they are certainly getting a shitload of backing now... They are
being played almost constantly (mostly just 'Guilty') around here.
> people put money out to get greater quantities of it back. it the laws
> of economics. not talent.
Unfortunately, that's exactly how the world works... kinda sucks.
> by the way, i am ashamed to have a prodigy id now ( well... not like i
> wasn't before).
> i mean, not only do i get lumped up with these shits, but i can't
> afford a nomal service anyway.
You might look around at local ISP prices... You might end up saving
money. And, you'll get a better looking address along the way.
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Stephen Prater
>Sorry to repeat what everyone already knows, but they *really do suck.
>
no they don't!!! who gives a fucking shit about the lead singer "walking
cliche", "can't write lyrics","attitude"--- who cares? the guy with the
hat and the synth is what makes the band.
oh, if you here any industrial lyrics that are destined for the poetry
hall of fame (or whatever) post an alert because the world is coming to
and end.
-dystopic
"tires falling off old women"
Stephen Prater
okay, one more time. gk does not suck. they may not be the most
industrial band in the world (almost assuredly) but they do not suck.
reasons they have $$$$ backing them-
1] they combine alternative and industrial
2] they sound like something off of pretty hate machine
3] they have huge f'n fuzzy hats [so do i]
4] they have a synth player in their somewhere
i can't seem to quote the article about them faking on stage, but frankly
- so?
it's hard to play mulitrack music with four musicians - and if they can't
play live they can sure as hell record well.
now that was four and a half cents.
-dystopic
Francis X. Connor
Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: okay, one more time. gk does not suck. they may not be the most
Then take this crud to rec.music.alternative.
: reasons they have $$$$ backing them-
: 1] they combine alternative and industrial
Oooohhh...no "alternative" band had ever ripped off industrial. Genius.
: 2] they sound like something off of pretty hate machine
Which is part of the problem.
: 3] they have huge f'n fuzzy hats [so do i]
Simple minds are simply entertained.
: 4] they have a synth player in their somewhere
So do Yes. And I can't stand them.
Later,
Fran
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sure they do.
: 1] they combine alternative and industrial
industrial? no... that's a bad, more "aggresive" copy of NIN's Pretty Hate
Machine, that's *not* industrial. Industrial isn't, and never has been,
minute programming w/ cheesy alternative guitars.
: 2] they sound like something off of pretty hate machine
can't deny this.
: 3] they have huge f'n fuzzy hats [so do i]
won't even comment on this one.
: 4] they have a synth player in their somewhere
somewhere. if you want to call him a synth player..
: it's hard to play mulitrack music with four musicians - and if they can't
: play live they can sure as hell record well.
it's not extremely hard to play multitrack music w/ four musicians. is
there an actual point on their album where they use more than 6 tracks?
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Stephen Prater <LHK...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>no they don't!!! who gives a fucking shit about the lead singer "walking
>cliche", "can't write lyrics","attitude"--- who cares? the guy with the
>hat and the synth is what makes the band.
the guy with the hat who 'plays' the synth doesn't even play live on
stage...he just dances around...
Jester
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Brandon8
You know why I love RMI? Because I get to see people who are even more
pretentious and contrived than I am.
Makes me feel better about myself. At least I'm not as worthless an
elitist as half the people posting here.
You want to listen to GK, great. Enjoy it. It's your choice. They aren't
as good as several of the bands being mentioned here, but they're no too
bad, either. Mainstream, yes; horrible, no.
At least I don't think so.
And you sure as hell don't have any kind of right to tell me I'm less
'industrial' than you are for thinking that way. You want to listen to
Skinny Puppy and whine whenever they get played on the radio or
television, fine. It's your ears, it's your brain (presumably), and it's
your choice. Tell me that I should do the same (or suffer your mightily
hard-core wrath), and you're a pretentious ass who needs to open up to the
very real fact that I simply don't care about your opinion.
-b Wolfe
("insipidly annoying, intrinsically idiotic tripe?" Jesus, man, lay off
the thesaurus. You don't have to prove anything here, and if you did,
Webster's ain't gonna help you any.)
Michael J. Salo
Stephen Prater wrote:
> no they don't!!! who gives a fucking shit about the lead singer "walking
> cliche", "can't write lyrics","attitude"--- who cares? the guy with the
> hat and the synth is what makes the band.
Anyone who's familiar with more than, say, 3 industrial bands would
consider GK cliched beyond listenability.
> oh, if you here any industrial lyrics that are destined for the poetry
> hall of fame (or whatever) post an alert because the world is coming to
> and end.
Here's an alert: you are really ignorant. Go buy a killing joke album
and be quiet.
Michael J. Salo
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Raeven
jes...@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jester) wrote:
>Stephen Prater <LHK...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>>no they don't!!! who gives a fucking shit about the lead singer "walking
>>cliche", "can't write lyrics","attitude"--- who cares? the guy with the
>>hat and the synth is what makes the band.
>
>the guy with the hat who 'plays' the synth doesn't even play live on
>stage...he just dances around...
>
>Jester
That's what makes him the central object of entertainment in the band.
First time I saw him, I remember thinking that the furry critter that
used to own the hat before him was probably living in an agitated
state in shorts, and that was why he was leaping about in such a state
like he was.
Dunno. I still like them. They amuse me.
Doesn't stand up to like a month's worth of straight listenings like
something like dubnobass does... but I like them. And the last two
times I saw them, they exhibited more enthusiasm than other bands I've
seen.
<shrug>
Raeven
(warped by the cock-rock of the 80s, I would suppose)
TRAVIS
I would definitely choose a severe head-kicking than force my poor
cranium to another dose of that water-downed gravity kills crap!!
For the final time...
YES GRAVITY KILLS SUCKS THE BIG ONE HARDER THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER
QUASI-WANTTABE-INDUSTRIAL BAND!!!!
I had the misfortune of seeing them live in L.A. with the Young Gods
and Grotus (more so deserving the name gods than anyone else at the
venue)....
THE only thing cool about gravity kills is the custom keyboard stand
they use. THAT'S IT!!!. You can wipe your ass with their goddamn
fuzzy hats because it sure as hell doesn't help them fake it any
better on stage! Half the keys on their keyboard are broken and
stuck in the "down" position if you look close, and those seem to be
the only keys he touched.
If you ask me a bunch of guys were watching 90210, heard the episode
that had KMFDM in it and saw the Lords of Acid/thrill kill/
Sistermashit gun's posters and said "so this is the new
trend...better hop on fast, and yeah... we'll incorporate that sucky
retro-punk greenday/smashing squashes sound....yeah! we'll be even
bigger than nine inch nails!!!!!"
No, industrial or not, they suck....hard
NO more of this thread, and hopefully no more of them ever...I hope
they have personal differences over which band to emulate next, and
break up.
Stephen Prater
>the guy with the hat who 'plays' the synth doesn't even play live on
>stage...he just dances around...
so? it's post modern. it doesn't matter.
-dystopic
Stephen Prater
>it's not extremely hard to play multitrack music w/ four musicians. is
6 is greater than 4 - (i think that's a gk lyric)
>there an actual point on their album where they use more than 6 tracks?
yes. listen closely.
-dystopic
Francis X. Connor
Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: >the guy with the hat who 'plays' the synth doesn't even play live on
: >stage...he just dances around...
: so? it's post modern. it doesn't matter.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don't make me scold you, kid. "Post modern" doesn't mean it still can't
be egregiously stupid. The guy w/ the hat is, as is anything associated
w/ Gravity Kills, egregiously stupid. And absolutely pointless.
Later,
Fran
who also believes _Melrose Place_ is a product of post-modernism
Skarekroe
:and you're a pretentious ass who needs to open up to the
:very real fact that I simply don't care about your opinion.
this really isn't the right newsgroup to talk about asses opening up.
sk
Michelle Newton
Gravity Kills sounds like NIN with Ministry riffs, but not as good.
Their lyrics are shit. What the hell is with this "One and one and
one makes three..."?
LHK...@prodigy.com
>Here's an alert: you are really ignorant. Go buy a killing joke album
>and be quiet.
who's killing joke?
-dystopic
OK FREEZE MOTHER
On Jun 14, 1996 14:50:46 in article <Re: Gravity Nails>, 'BNew...@msn.com
1+1+1 = ? hmmm...3? yeah...
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In article <4ps1us$1c...@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>,
<LHK...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>who's killing joke?
this *is* a joke, right??
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you know, the funny thing is- people who simply don't get it still exist.
lets just ingnore the infultrators and get on with our lives, shall we?
(Gawd, now i am really fucking embarassed i have a prodigy account!)
KYron
Stephen Prater
fine - i really do know who killing joke is. and you know what? their
lyrics still aren't that great. it's just hard to fine industrial -
gothic - techno - ambient - alternative - rock - rap - punk <hell insert
genre here> music with good lyrics. everyone is into writing about how
shitty their life is. <we don't care, don't tell us.> here by the way -
the best lyrics i have ever heard on a song <it might be a song> are from
"the downward spiral" from NIN. why? because they don't rhyme, they
have metaphor - they have allusion, and they have really freaking good
imagery. half of the other lyrics i can't understand or i might like
them a little more. :-P~~~~~
on
-dystopic
Stephen Prater
>: 1] they combine alternative and industrial
>
>
they didn't rip it off - they combined it.
(like no industrial band has ever ripped off alternative - ha!)
>: 2] they sound like something off of pretty hate machine
>
>Which is part of the problem.
pretty hate machine sold a hell of a lot of copies. (it's still selling)
>: 3] they have huge f'n fuzzy hats [so do i]
>
>Simple minds are simply entertained.
but they don't look like every other black leather studded s&m freak in
industrial music. -okay this comment is really uncalled for - but the
deal is they aren't got up like other industrial bands i've seen live.
(even if they're aren't that many of them) they have their own look at
least.
Stephen Prater
oh yeah - i nearly forgot to add -
>: 4] they have a synth player in their somewhere
>
>So do Yes. And I can't stand them.
so do a lot of bands that suck.... so do a lot of bands that kick ass.
oh btw gravity kills maybe ripping off a bunch of people - but so what?
(post modernism!) and they do have that hat thing - which no one else has.
-dystopic
LOgre2'3 (Thee Only Thing To Fear Is Fear Itself!)
Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: they didn't rip it off - they combined it.
same difference.
: (like no industrial band has ever ripped off alternative - ha!)
name one *TRUE* industrial band that has done this.
: pretty hate machine sold a hell of a lot of copies. (it's still selling)
your point? cloning an album that has, and still is, selling loads of
copies could mean only one thing; you want to make money off of it too.
: but they don't look like every other black leather studded s&m freak in
: industrial music.
how many black leather studded s&m freaks are there in industrial music
other than the Genitorturers? not many. you seem to be confusing us with
goth, or punk.
: -okay this comment is really uncalled for -
...and uttery rediculous.
: but the deal is they aren't got up like other industrial bands i've seen live.
that's because they *AREN'T PLAYING LIVE*.
: (even if they're aren't that many of them) they have their own look at
: least.
Oooh.. fuzzy hats.
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Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: oh btw gravity kills maybe ripping off a bunch of people - but so what?
post modernism & cheesy hats makes them the neo-gods of industrial music?
shit man. i gotta go clone Tactical Neural Implant and find me a cheese
cliche and i'll be rolling in cash. and i'll do it all in the name of
post-modernism! EEEAURGH!
--
LOgre2'3
Adam K Rixey
LHK...@prodigy.com (Stephen Prater) writes:
> oh btw gravity kills maybe ripping off a bunch of people - but so what?
> (post modernism!) and they do have that hat thing - which no one else has.
GWAR also has a "hat thing."
(Of course, I don't watch MTV and don't listen to the radio so I
have no clue who Gravity Kills is, let alone what the hell this "hat
thing" is, but I refuse to believe that costumes make a band. Except
for maybe GWAR.)
AkR nya...@andrew.cmu.edu http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~nyarl
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Mark Beeson
Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
// genre here> music with good lyrics. everyone is into writing about how
// shitty their life is. <we don't care, don't tell us.> here by the way -
And you continue to listen to Gravity Sucks? "I, I, I, can't write
good lyrics, I, I, I, can't sing for shit, I, I, I, am copying Trent
Reznor, I, I, I, don't sing liiiiiiive."
// the best lyrics i have ever heard on a song <it might be a song> are from
// "the downward spiral" from NIN. why? because they don't rhyme, they
// have metaphor - they have allusion, and they have really freaking good
// imagery.
Reznor: <whisper>you do something to me</whisper>
<scream>PAAAAAAAAIIIIIIN!!!!!!</scream>
If you want good lyrics, listen to Skinny Puppy. Nobody beats Ogre
at making images with lyrics/vocals. Best Puppy song lyrics, IMHO,
is "Addiction".
--Mark
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alt.music.nin, and on occasion alt.tv.bh90210. If you don't understand why,
don't ask.
Jonny Llama
TRAVIS (tra...@cfcla.com) wrote:
: I would definitely choose a severe head-kicking than force my poor
: cranium to another dose of that water-downed gravity kills crap!!
So don't listen top them. *HARD*
: For the final time...
: YES GRAVITY KILLS SUCKS THE BIG ONE HARDER THAN JUST ABOUT ANY OTHER
: QUASI-WANTTABE-INDUSTRIAL BAND!!!!
Good work bonehead, have you ever heard them say they were industrial, I
mean do these bands have to come right out and shove it down your neck
that they aren't trying to be what you like to think they aren't?
Goldfinger isnt ska!! Ministry isn't industrial!! Who give half a flying
rat's ass/
: I had the misfortune of seeing them live in L.A. with the Young Gods
: and Grotus (more so deserving the name gods than anyone else at the
: venue)....
: THE only thing cool about gravity kills is the custom keyboard stand
: they use. THAT'S IT!!!. You can wipe your ass with their goddamn
: fuzzy hats because it sure as hell doesn't help them fake it any
: better on stage! Half the keys on their keyboard are broken and
: stuck in the "down" position if you look close, and those seem to be
: the only keys he touched.
: If you ask me a bunch of guys were watching 90210, heard the episode
: that had KMFDM in it and saw the Lords of Acid/thrill kill/
: Sistermashit gun's posters and said "so this is the new
: trend...better hop on fast, and yeah... we'll incorporate that sucky
: retro-punk greenday/smashing squashes sound....yeah! we'll be even
: bigger than nine inch nails!!!!!"
: No, industrial or not, they suck....hard
This and the rest of your anal retentvive no-i-really-am-right rant are
jsut your opinion, if you don't like them, hey, don't listen to them. If
you feel you need to express your opinion, go for it, but don't start
with this pretentious ruder-than-you BS.
: NO more of this thread, and hopefully no more of them ever...I hope
: they have personal differences over which band to emulate next, and
: break up.
I don't like Tony Bennet, or skat for that matter, but I don't go around
going "HEY TONY BENNET SUCKS BIG STUPID GHRANPA FUCK COCK DUM STUPIDHEAD
LAME NON CRAP STUPID" like a little 3-year old who had his ice cream cone
stolen. Jesus H. Christ people are fucked up.
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Michael J. Salo (fast...@pacbell.net) wrote:
: Stephen Prater wrote:
: > no they don't!!! who gives a fucking shit about the lead singer "walking
: > hat and the synth is what makes the band.
: Anyone who's familiar with more than, say, 3 industrial bands would
: consider GK cliched beyond listenability.
3 INDUSTRIAL BANDS AREN'T INDUSTRIAL$%^$%&%^ THEY'RE MTV MUSIC%^&%^*%^
: > oh, if you here any industrial lyrics that are destined for the poetry
: > hall of fame (or whatever) post an alert because the world is coming to
: > and end.
: Here's an alert: you are really ignorant. Go buy a killing joke album
: and be quiet.
:
EUROPOP ISNT INDUSTRIAL^&*$%^Y%&^* IT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL, AGGGHHH%^&%^*
: Michael J. Salo
: fast...@pacbell.net
: -All who died and everything's alive-
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Jonny Llama
Michelle Newton (BNew...@msn.com) wrote:
: Gravity Kills sounds like NIN with Ministry riffs, but not as good.
: Their lyrics are shit. What the hell is with this "One and one and
: one makes three..."?
Well, it sure isn't quantum mechanics, putz.
Jennifer J. Barkas
In article <4q4dof$m...@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>,
Francis X. Connor <wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>I can walk into Georgetown any time of day and see 100 MTV-wannabe kids
>who look like they could be trying out for GK. Hardly "their own look".
i totally agree. i went by smash! the other day couldn't believe it when
those punks asked ME for change. hello????????? mcfly??????? you guys are
the ones wearing the new docs, you bastards, and you're asking me for change?
perhaps i should ask *them* for change, i mean, hey - i just dropped a
ton of money of new c.d.'s, so i could use some change for the next
purchase. or maybe that new bottle of manic panic hair dye. give me a
fucking break! as my friend greg would say to the punks, "get your own
youth culture," and "don't worry about it j.j.; they're just waiting to
catch a ride back to chevy chase."
>Later,
>Fran
>back from Jersey and badder than ever...
you go!!!
from
j.j. <tired of scum outside of smash!>
i mean, come on, it's one thing if they hang out there, but another if
they're bothering people, asking them for money, when they're dressed the
way they are . . .
sheesh, maybe it's time for you, mario, and i to go on a stomping session!
Francis X. Connor
<shrug> Why do I bother with this moron?
Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: >: 1] they combine alternative and industrial
: >
: >Oooohhh...no "alternative" band had ever ripped off industrial. Genius.
: they didn't rip it off - they combined it.
Combine: take two disparate parts and put them together to create an even
greater whole.
Rip-off: To jump on a trendy bandwagon in the hope of selling records.
I think the second option is more more appropiate.
: (like no industrial band has ever ripped off alternative - ha!)
Huh? Examples? (I can't wait for these.) We may have a new winner in
the "Most stupid-ass thing ever posted on rmi." You don't know shit, kid.
: >: 2] they sound like something off of pretty hate machine
>
: >Which is part of the problem.
: pretty hate machine sold a hell of a lot of copies. (it's still selling)
Boy, you didn't forget to take your idiot pills this morning, did you?
Listen kid, here's something you may want to remember for when you grow
up: just because an album sells millions of copies DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A
GREAT ALBUM. About 9 million people bought the first Hootie album, Einstein.
: >: 3] they have huge f'n fuzzy hats [so do i]
: >
: >Simple minds are simply entertained.
: but they don't look like every other black leather studded s&m freak in
: industrial music. -okay this comment is really uncalled for - but the
: deal is they aren't got up like other industrial bands i've seen live.
: (even if they're aren't that many of them)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think this is the key passage. Look at some more bands before you make
some incredibly ignorant statement again.
they have their own look at
: least.
I can walk into Georgetown any time of day and see 100 MTV-wannabe kids
who look like they could be trying out for GK. Hardly "their own look".
Later,
Fran
back from Jersey and badder than ever...
--
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"Giving the British synthesizers was like giving whiskey to the Indians."
--Will Rigby, The db's
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Francis X. Connor
Stephen Prater (LHK...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: oh yeah - i nearly forgot to add -
: >: 4] they have a synth player in their somewhere
: >
: >So do Yes. And I can't stand them.
: so do a lot of bands that suck.... so do a lot of bands that kick ass.
So then what the hell's your point, bonehead?
: oh btw gravity kills maybe ripping off a bunch of people - but so what?
: (post modernism!) and they do have that hat thing - which no one else has.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You're trying to piss me off with this po-mo thing, right? Sheesh. I
won't comment this time; I'll just let you wallow in your pool of
mediocrity.
BTW, no one else WANTS that stupid fuzzy hat thing. Get off of it.
Later,
Fran
"I don't fuck around."
djcleverhans::justinmaxwell
Get off it. It's not different than a bunch of fucking industrokiddies
all trying to look angstfilled or a bunch of goths trying to look exquisite,
seductive, and depressed. Every genre has its trends.
djclevergapboyhans
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Jennifer J. Barkas
In article <jmaxwell-180...@198.6.197.172>,
djcleverhans::justinmaxwell <jmax...@pomona.edu> wrote:
>Get off it. It's not different than a bunch of fucking industrokiddies
>all trying to look angstfilled or a bunch of goths trying to look exquisite,
>seductive, and depressed. Every genre has its trends.
>djclevergapboyhans
is this yet another example of someone who is intolerant to other
people's opinions?
p.s. and yes, it is different if they're asking for money. i don't care
if they're dressed any such way, it's not the *sight* of them that angers
me, it's the money part.
--
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this life is a test. it is only a test. had this been an actual life,
you would have received further instructions as to what to do and where
to go.
Francis X. Connor
Jennifer J. Barkas (kal...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) wrote:
: In article <4q4dof$m...@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu>,
: Francis X. Connor <wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
: >I can walk into Georgetown any time of day and see 100 MTV-wannabe kids
: >who look like they could be trying out for GK. Hardly "their own look".
: i totally agree. i went by smash! the other day couldn't believe it when
: those punks asked ME for change. hello????????? mcfly??????? you guys are
: the ones wearing the new docs, you bastards, and you're asking me for change?
Didn't Smash! put a sign up or something? "No punk-ass beggars" or
something? Yeah, that's always kinda bothered me.
: perhaps i should ask *them* for change, i mean, hey - i just dropped a
: ton of money of new c.d.'s, so i could use some change for the next
: purchase. or maybe that new bottle of manic panic hair dye.
How about you and I get all gothed up and beg for change from the jaded
suburbanites of Arlington? Hell, I have rent to pay this month. We
could bring this "silver spoon and a paper plate" thing into the
industrial scene...
give me a
: fucking break! as my friend greg would say to the punks, "get your own
: youth culture," and "don't worry about it j.j.; they're just waiting to
: catch a ride back to chevy chase."
Ooooh...love those quotes. Very Generation Ecch. Tell Greg I'm adding
them to my arsenal.
: j.j. <tired of scum outside of smash!>
Me too. When I buy something there and some of the poor little
suburbanites are out there, I like to count my change and put it in my
wallet in front of them. Cheap thrills, I know...but what other kind of
thrill is there?
: i mean, come on, it's one thing if they hang out there, but another if
: they're bothering people, asking them for money, when they're dressed the
: way they are . . .
: sheesh, maybe it's time for you, mario, and i to go on a stomping session!
Hey: "I'm a man who's sick, but I got class, and you only get respect
when you're kickin' ass."
Later,
Fran
--
______________________________________________________________________________
"Giving the British synthesizers was like giving whiskey to the Indians."
--Will Rigby, The db's
______________________________________________________________________________
Francis X. Connor Career English Major George Washington University
______________________________________________________________________________
"This is Jersey, Fran. We don't fuck around here."
--Marianne Voltarelli
______________________________________________________________________________
Christopher Gross
In article <4q4egj$8...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>,
Jennifer J. Barkas <kal...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>
>>I can walk into Georgetown any time of day and see 100 MTV-wannabe kids
>>who look like they could be trying out for GK. Hardly "their own look".
>
>i totally agree. i went by smash! the other day couldn't believe it when
>those punks asked ME for change. hello????????? mcfly??????? you guys are
>the ones wearing the new docs, you bastards, and you're asking me for change?
Ooh, let me jump in here too! Those little shits really piss me off.
And I have a friend who just got back from Boston and reported seeing 'em
there, too. (Their parents were probably Harvard professors....) Is
this the new trendy way for teenagers to rebel? Maybe soon we'll see the
little twerps getting in line when charities hand out meals to the
homeless. Grrrr....
Here's another line to use on teenage beggars in Docs: "Sorry, the only
money I have to give you was earned through honest labor, so it would
indirectly implicate you in the System. I have too much respect for your
courageous protest against society to do that to you." They may be too
self-absorbed to recognize sarcasm, though.
--Chris
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Rev. Ammonia D.
jmax...@pomona.edu (djcleverhans::justinmaxwell) wrote:
>Get off it. It's not different than a bunch of fucking industrokiddies
>all trying to look angstfilled or a bunch of goths trying to look exquisite,
>seductive, and depressed. Every genre has its trends.
>
>djclevergapboyhans
>
Yeah, but I have never had either goth or rivethead try to put the bite on me
for spare change. I think it is bad form......
>puppycrusher12000::sync::[website.being.remodeled.please.hold]
>mechanotherapy::kspc887fm::east.of.los.angeles::fall1996
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Druid
>1] they combine alternative and industrial
Did they really? I'm still searching for "Industrial" section of their
music. Perhaps it just doesn't exist and you are an asshole.
>2] they sound like something off of pretty hate machine
Great! As if mundane, pop minimalism wasn't bad enough, now we have a new
generation of bands mimicking it!
>3] they have huge f'n fuzzy hats [so do i]
The keyboard player is fucking loser. His hat annoys both me and anyone
else who is not utterly obsessed with proving their individuality by
dressing like a fucking freak. His fashion style appeals greatly to 14
year old mall rats which , I believe, is sufficient testimony to prove my
previous statement.
> they have their own look at
To ammend your comment, I would say that they are the only FULLY GROWN MEN
who look as they do. As I said earlier, they share the same wardrobe(and
mentality) as the hordes of infamous alterna-mall rats who infest the many
shopping centers of this great nation.
In conclusion, Gravity Kills amounts to a waste of an good Oberheim. God
knows, I could do so much more with such an instrument.
Druid
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Nikki Gustas
Speaking of punks spanging in Boston:
Back when I was living up there, a friend of mine was doing a documentary
on the punk scene (which never actually got finished - big surprise).
They did an interview with a couple of punk kids hanging in The Pit in
Harvard Square, who were talking about how they got booted out of their
homes when they were fourteen, had been on the streets ever since, etc.
etc. etc. Anyway, they were just about to pack up their cameras for the
day when they saw (and got on video!) these self-same kids getting into
what was obviously Mommy's BMW.
Can someone please explain to me when and why spanging became the cool
punk rock thing to do? I actually know that one or two of the kids
hanging outside of Smash are homeless, but most are doing it 'cause they
think it's cool. I just don't get it.
-rednikki, who's upset that she can't go to Atlanta now that ValuJet's
been shut down
Adam K Rixey
redn...@obscure.org (Nikki Gustas) writes:
> Can someone please explain to me when and why spanging became the cool
> punk rock thing to do? I actually know that one or two of the kids
> hanging outside of Smash are homeless, but most are doing it 'cause they
> think it's cool. I just don't get it.
I dunno, but there've been noticable "packs" of them begging for
money in Pittsburgh for at least the past 8 months or so. Annoying as
all...like I'm gonna give money to somebody who can afford a big
leather jacket and cool boots. (At least they're more honest than
some of the other bums, though...they just come right out and say "Can
I have some money for whiskey?" instead of the tired old "Help me out
please").
Vijay Gill
In article <83520509...@marduk.obscure.org> redn...@obscure.org
(Nikki Gustas) writes:
From: redn...@obscure.org (Nikki Gustas)
-rednikki, who's upset that she can't go to Atlanta now that ValuJet's
been shut down
I won't be so upset. You know what the alligators said in florida?
vijay "hmm, not bad for airline food" gill
or
vijay "hey! who ordered takeout?" gill
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RobinParhm
OK..... so the opinions run wild on whether or not GK sucks.... this is
not the issue. The issue is that ANYBODY can make it big with the right
producer.
JOHN FRYER..... the reason they sound like spinoffs of NINs Pretty Hate
Machine???? John has produced GK, NIN, Sister Machine Gun, Cocteau
Twins, Course of Empire, This Mortal Coil, The Hunger....... and the list
goes on in the world of so-called 'industrial music'.
They cannot perform all of their music live because if they did it would
sound like shit... that is why they put it all on DAT.. it is recorded and
remixed in the studio and played by tape in live shows... yes it sucks but
it can make all bands sound decent......
Why do I know all of this, I know most of the Dallas music scene
(including my boyfriend who has just hired John Fryer from London to
produce their first CD) and no... it will sound nothing like NIN ish
stuff, I thought you'd be pleased to hear that, being that Trent started a
trend that every band in the world is tring to emulate.
GK is not a bad band and they are very nice guys, just happened to try to
follow the 'hip' style now rather than have any creativity of their
own.......
Mark Beeson
RobinParhm (robin...@aol.com) wrote:
Keywords:
// sound like shit... that is why they put it all on DAT.. it is recorded and
There you go.
--Mark
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Marc17
We've always done it here. Being a working class punk with money, I
have finally settled on asking triva questions to those who ask for
money ('Who was the original singer for Black Flag?) The ones who
answer corretly get spare change and the others I tell to get a job.
--17---
Opryte
I saw Gravity Kills for free so all those who believe in "fighting the
corporate man" should be happy that they didn't recieve my money. They did
take up my time though and ...-get ready for this-...I had fun seeing them
live! Imagine that?! Having fun a concert despite all the positive and
negative hype the band has been receiving! I taped their CD from a friend
and I enjoy them. I also enjoy Skinny Puppy (who I wished I could've seen
live), FLA, ChemLab, NIN, Throbbing Gristle, Blue Eyed Christ, KMFDM,
Numb, Front 242, Ministry, 29 Died, Acumen and other bands who, IMHO, fit
the term "industrial". However, this is MY opinion. Just because opinions
and music tastes differ, it does not warrant all the harsh flaming that
has been going on.
-- Opryte
Harlequin
>-- Opryte
GK does put on a damn good show, but touring with Hog and the Nixons
is just proof of how corporate gigs can suck (good thing I got a comp.
pass, too). Don't get me wrong, I totally enjoy GK; but they would fit
in a lot better with a group like Stabbing Westward (who you should
see if you get the chance).
"Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions;
reality can be attained only by someone who is detached."
-Simone Weil