Velvet Acid Christ is useless
Druid
I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth, and
as usual that responsibility has fallen onto me, so here we go:
1) I don't like acid. Acid is stupid hippie drug. It is commonly
ingested by dirty pieces of shit, who claim to receive spiritual, mental,
or creative inspiration from the temporary rise in dopamine it causes.
Oddly enough schizophrenics also suffer from this chemical
inbalance(although on a permanent basis), yet they seem to be less than
productive creatively on the whole. The point is, that it is inproper for
Industrial bands to make frequent references to hippie shit. This trend
began with that hippie fuck, Kevin Key, and now it is expanding. No
more. I'm putting a stop to this right now.
2)VAC seems to be competing with SPOCK for the title of "Electronic Band
Most Obsessed With the Abundant Sci-Fi Cliches of Star Trek". For the
love of God, don't fucking sample Star Trek. What the fuck were they
thinking? While they were at it they might as well have taken out all the
Star Wars movies as well.
3)They are musically boring.
4)The picture of them in the album annoys me.
5)They plug their band on RMI far too frequently.
Well that concludes our dosage of "The Truth" for today. Keep your eyes
peeled for my upcoming deprecation of the new Noise Unit album where I
accuse FLA of trying to drag Marc Verhagen and Haujobb down with them in
their own private pit of shit.
"The Truth" has been a PES production.
Druid
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======================The Philadelphia Electro Society===============
Long live the movement. Long live the people.
"Like torches in the aeon flow, even suns flicker and die
Forgotten as the ages grow, eternity is not for you"
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PacoMcTaco
Hahahahaha!!! Damn, I hope you meant that humorously... I've never heard
Velvet Acid Christ, so I don't know if they really do suck, but you can't
be serious, right? I mean, "They look annoying"? Hahaha! And the way you
just completely diss cEvin Key is amusing too. Heh... w00.
-Unit
Proteus911
Druid wrote:
> <VAC sucks, blah blah blah>
I really hope you didn't have to pay for their CD. If you did, you just
wrote a testament to your own 1) stupidity and 2) bad taste in
industrial music.
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Flame away, you pompous bastards.
[justin maxwell]
FUCK YES DRUID! Rip shit up. Any band that spams the fuck out of a
newsgroup about how damn good they are, yet doesn't have the content
to back it up deserves a taste of reality. Sorry, Captain Disease
Monkey (or whatever your name is), old pal, but you asked for it.
st96...@post.drexel.edu (Druid) wrote:
>I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth, and
>as usual that responsibility has fallen onto me, so here we go:
rock on.
>2)VAC seems to be competing with SPOCK for the title of "Electronic Band
>Most Obsessed With the Abundant Sci-Fi Cliches of Star Trek". For the
>love of God, don't fucking sample Star Trek. What the fuck were they
>thinking? While they were at it they might as well have taken out all the
>Star Wars movies as well.
Samples people hear and say, "hey, that's cool" = good.
Samples people hear and say, "hey, that's Star Trek" = not good
Samples people hear and say, "hey, wow, this lameass band sampled
Star Trek 450,000 times and every time I hear yet another sample,
I scream to the powers above to put me out of my misery and make
this cacophony stop" = also not good
>3)They are musically boring.
That never stopped Billy Harrigan from posting here, either, though :)
>4)The picture of them in the album annoys me.
Roger that, Captain.
>5)They plug their band on RMI far too frequently.
Wait, did I forget to mention that VELVET ACID CHRIST'S NEW RELEASE ON
OFFBEAT RECORDS IS THE MOST INNOVATIVE MATERIAL EVER RELEASED
IN THE HISTORY OF INDUSTRIAL MUSIC AND CAN BE FOUND IN YOUR LOCAL
IMPORT CD STORE?
Yes, I probably did. I'm sure they'll be sure to mention that to us,
oh, five or six times in the next few days, so that'll be ok.
>Well that concludes our dosage of "The Truth" for today. Keep your eyes
>peeled for my upcoming deprecation of the new Noise Unit album where I
>accuse FLA of trying to drag Marc Verhagen and Haujobb down with them in
>their own private pit of shit.
Untill next time, sir.
djcleverhans::stupidoctavecat
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Francis X. Connor
Druid (st96...@post.drexel.edu) wrote:
: "The Truth" has been a PES production.
Damn. It's been a long time since Druid's come to the mike this strongly.
Don't call it a comeback, he's been here for years. Great f'n post. I
will now stay far far away from the evil empire that is Velvet Acid
Christ.
What the hell were OffBeat thinking, anyway?
: The PES supports MACOS.
An admirable stance.
Later,
Fran "You were a little out of line dissing Skinny Puppy, but that's OK"
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Thin White Duke
In article <st96e2wc-040...@kelly1-514.resnet.drexel.edu>,
st96...@post.drexel.edu (Druid) wrote:
Æ I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth, and
Æ as usual that responsibility has fallen onto me, so here we go:
Æ
Æ 1) I don't like acid. Acid is stupid hippie drug. It is commonly
Æ ingested by dirty pieces of shit, who claim to receive spiritual, mental,
Æ or creative inspiration from the temporary rise in dopamine it causes.
Æ Oddly enough schizophrenics also suffer from this chemical
Æ inbalance(although on a permanent basis), yet they seem to be less than
Æ productive creatively on the whole. The point is, that it is inproper for
Æ Industrial bands to make frequent references to hippie shit. This trend
Æ began with that hippie fuck, Kevin Key, and now it is expanding. No
Æ more. I'm putting a stop to this right now.
Actually, I think the trend started with that other hippie fuck, Genesis
P-Orridge.
Great post anyway, Druid.
Thin White Duke
(np: "memorabilia" -- NIN)
--
"if you can't live with it, find a new channel... rmi *is* about being
elitist, abrasive and hate-filled. the more you're willing to flame, the
better you are. live with it. it's not going to change, nor should it change."
thus spake downfall of the lower case letters.
Thin White Duke says: Blow me! And while you're at it, check out
http://www.columbia.edu/~dek17
downfall
On 4 Feb 1997, PacoMcTaco wrote:
> Hahahahaha!!! Damn, I hope you meant that humorously... I've never heard
> Velvet Acid Christ, so I don't know if they really do suck, but you can't
> be serious, right? I mean, "They look annoying"? Hahaha! And the way you
> just completely diss cEvin Key is amusing too. Heh... w00.
i never thought the day would come when someone who listens to unit 187
(and likes it) would laugh at druid? <sigh> what are things comming to?
-downfall
"the man has no sense of reality at all" - george drakoulias
Al Crawford
And lo, wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Francis X. Connor) spake unto the masses saying:
>
> Damn. It's been a long time since Druid's come to the mike this strongly.
> Don't call it a comeback, he's been here for years. Great f'n post. I
> will now stay far far away from the evil empire that is Velvet Acid
> Christ.
Well, I personally don't plan on buying any VAC, but it didn't take Druid's
post to persuade me. Disease Factory's continuous plugging, never missing
a single opportunity to mention the band, did it for me. If band's indulge
in that sort of self-promotion, I generally take the view that if they love
themselves so much, they don't really need anybody else to listen to their
music, so I'll just leave them to it.
> What the hell were OffBeat thinking, anyway?
I guess they made up for it by signing that nice unassuming Mr Sharp :-)
Al
NP: Spandau Ballet - The Freeze
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Stefani
In article <5d8rqb$q...@access5.digex.net>, aw...@access5.digex.net (Al
Crawford) wrote:
>
> > What the hell were OffBeat thinking, anyway?
>
No, no, no--what was Offbeat thinking when they signed Ravenous????
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PacoMcTaco (pacom...@aol.com) wrote:
: Hahahahaha!!! Damn, I hope you meant that humorously... I've never heard
: Velvet Acid Christ, so I don't know if they really do suck, but you can't
: be serious, right? I mean, "They look annoying"? Hahaha! And the way you
: just completely diss cEvin Key is amusing too. Heh... w00.
He was completely serious.. Druid has absolutely *NO* sense of humour
what-so-ever.
Greg Clow
One more reason that VAC sucks... the web site they (or he, whatever) did
of Off-Beat is *awful*! It's slow, the graphics are annoying, there are
typos all over the place, it's badly designed... etc., etc.... at a time
when just having a web site is no longer enough, it also has to be a
*good* website, Off Beat really should get some pros in to do the job right.
Greg
Tom Shear
>>No, no, no--what was Offbeat thinking when they signed Ravenous????
Well, keep in mind that Offbeat put out Noise Box initially... that
certainly put things into perspective for me... ; )
--Tom
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dbk
>Well, keep in mind that Offbeat put out Noise Box initially... that
>certainly put things into perspective for me... ; )
I don't have much to say about VAC cause I've never heard them, but Noise Box
_Monkey Ass_ is my worst purchase of my entire life.
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David Forbes
st96...@post.drexel.edu (Druid) wrote:
>
>I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth,
and
>
>or creative inspiration from the temporary rise in dopamine it causes.
>Oddly enough schizophrenics also suffer from this chemical
>inbalance(although on a permanent basis), yet they seem to be less than
>productive creatively on the whole. The point is, that it is inproper
for
>Industrial bands to make frequent references to hippie shit. This
trend
>began with that hippie fuck, Kevin Key, and now it is expanding. No
>more. I'm putting a stop to this right now.
Wow....so..This post comes from DRUID..the allknowing godlike entity of
what industrial music is. You know, You are such a fucking ignorant
bastard. Who are you to determine what is improper for bands to make
reference to? Did VAC ever force you to listen to their album? I love
how you diss cevin key. Maybe he is a hippie fuck as you say, who knows,
but I think he's had enough influence on many bands you likely listen to
today that you could give him that much respect...unless your holier than
though "i don't give a fuck" attitude prevails you.
>2)VAC seems to be competing with SPOCK for the title of "Electronic
Band
>Most Obsessed With the Abundant Sci-Fi Cliches of Star Trek". For the
>love of God, don't fucking sample Star Trek. What the fuck were they
>thinking? While they were at it they might as well have taken out all
the
>Star Wars movies as well.
>
>3)They are musically boring.
>
>4)The picture of them in the album annoys me.
Awwww!!! Booo hoo fucking hoo Druid! Shall I get you a tissue for the
tears? Or just break into the violin solo.
>5)They plug their band on RMI far too frequently.
Oh NO!!! God forbid a band wanting to give themself publicity! Even if
they do post alot..isn't good to be proud of your music? I'm yet to hear
VAC..but i've emailed with them, and find them to be very nice and I have
heard good things about the music. Have you been coined the president of
this newsgroup? I think there is no law of the net that says "DRUID is
annoyed by your multiple posts, so NOBODY can post alot about themself."
Fuck you.
>Well that concludes our dosage of "The Truth" for today. Keep your
eyes
>peeled for my upcoming deprecation of the new Noise Unit album where I
>accuse FLA of trying to drag Marc Verhagen and Haujobb down with them
in
>their own private pit of shit.
Wow.. I can't wait to trash your next piece of poorly written ignorant
shit. It's people like you that make the industrial scene so shitty.
Everyone likes what THEY like and are too close minded to accept anyone's
elses style.
>"The Truth" has been a PES production.
>
>Druid
>
>--
>======================The Philadelphia Electro Society===============
>Long live the movement. Long live the people.
>
>"Like torches in the aeon flow, even suns flicker and die
>Forgotten as the ages grow, eternity is not for you"
> -Covenant from "Flux"
>
>The PES supports MACOS.
>=====================================================================
THE PEC eh? Does this consist of a bunch of rivetheads sitting around at
clubs drinking shitty beer and whining about how much the world hates
them? Sure makes you look pretty industrial by tagging that. Can I be
your friend?
zach/Deat...@prodigy.com
If I were industrial like Druid, I would use this space to put a tag or
some really neat quotes that make me elite. Or I could just laugh at him
and go on about my business. Yeah..option B.
anyboy
st96...@post.drexel.edu (Druid) wrote:
> Æ I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth, and
> Æ as usual that responsibility has fallen onto me, so here we go:
> Æ
> Æ 1) I don't like acid. Acid is stupid hippie drug. It is commonly
> Æ ingested by dirty pieces of shit, who claim to receive spiritual, mental,
> Æ or creative inspiration from the temporary rise in dopamine it causes.
> Æ Oddly enough schizophrenics also suffer from this chemical
> Æ inbalance(although on a permanent basis), yet they seem to be less than
> Æ productive creatively on the whole. The point is, that it is inproper for
> Æ Industrial bands to make frequent references to hippie shit. This trend
> Æ began with that hippie fuck, Kevin Key, and now it is expanding. No
> Æ more. I'm putting a stop to this right now.
actually, i'd consider LSD to be VERY much an "industrial" drug. sure,
hippies were and are into it, but when you get right down TO it, LSD is
a man-made chemical that usually makes you feel like something is trying
to forcibly birth itself out of yr mind. and almost NOTHING sounds
better while tripping than some 242 or cabaret voltaire. but, i guess
it's a matter of personal choice.. just be aware that acid is NOT
exclusively taken by "hippies", and that when you get right down to it
it doesn't really make you feel full of "peace and love" at all.
as for the rest of the post, though, 100% agreed.
blue.
Vladimir McNeally
My...
There seems to be quite a bit of hate generated over poor little Velvet
Acid Christ - for some reason, I enjoyed what I heard of them (minus their
bad 'goth' tacks), and even somewhat Borg samples. Maybe I'm the only one
on here who enjoyed old Star Trek: Next Generation when it was on.
Anyway, to sum it up, I enjoy their brand of Colorado cheesiness.
Of course, this gets me to wondering - one of all of you who have posted
on this thread about how much they "suck" must be dying to unload that
"crappy" album on someone else. If so, I raise my hand above and say,
"I'll take it off your hands - what do you want for it?" I've got s
Project Pitchfork album I'd love to part with - "dhyani", for it. I'm
sure I can scrounge up other offers, too. Myself, I still can't figure
out the fervor behind P.P. - as an aside, is there anyone besides me who
gets annoyed when a singer (like Mr. P.P.) does the whole "I can make my
voice sounds like vocal distortion with any equipment"? Anyway, VAC for
PP (or something)....any takers?
Also, I believe someone mentioned that they VAC suck (among other reasons)
because of their dopey name...uh...last time I checked most electronic
bands have dopey names...at least 75% of them do...
Here's some examples (in my humble opinion):
Leather Strip, X Marks the Pedwalk, yelworC (*real* creative), Psychic TV,
Cat Rapes Dog, Swamp Terrorists, Armageddon Dildos (!!!), any band with
number '23', KMFDM, Individual Totem, Fektion Fekler.....for a scant few.
Some of these bands are great, others are...well...anyway, it's kind of
like judging a band on their album artwork - both have no basis on what
the music is like.
worldnet
Al Crawford wrote:
>
> And lo, wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Francis X. Connor) spake unto the masses saying:
> >
> > Damn. It's been a long time since Druid's come to the mike this strongly.
> > Don't call it a comeback, he's been here for years. Great f'n post. I
> > will now stay far far away from the evil empire that is Velvet Acid
> > Christ.
>
> Well, I personally don't plan on buying any VAC, but it didn't take Druid's
> post to persuade me. Disease Factory's continuous plugging, never missing
> a single opportunity to mention the band, did it for me. If band's indulge
> in that sort of self-promotion, I generally take the view that if they love
> themselves so much, they don't really need anybody else to listen to their
> music, so I'll just leave them to it.
>
>
>
> Al
>
> NP: Spandau Ballet - The Freeze
>
> --
> Al Crawford - aw...@access.digex.net
> http://www.access.digex.net/~awrc
should listen to it first before making any opinions. Lets all
follow the all knowing industial head "Spewid" hmm sound's like it
is from star wars. RMI seems to be full of ^$$%% if you know what I
mean. If you dont like it then dont listen to it but there are
vast music taste throughout the world and your opinion dosent mean
*&^. I only ()*(*) because I am at work.
VAC RULES- watch out for the HAND.
dachar
- Mr. Tangent wrote:
>
> On 5 Feb 1997 23:31:23 GMT, vm...@bard.edu (Vladimir McNeally) wrote:
>
> >My...
> >There seems to be quite a bit of hate generated over poor little Velvet
> >Acid Christ - for some reason, I enjoyed what I heard of them (minus their
> >bad 'goth' tacks), and even somewhat Borg samples.
>
-
> I will have to agree with this assessment of V.A.C. I actually
> enjoyed their 'Church of Acid' release. It isn't ground breaking but
> it does have several cool electro-industrial tracks on it. - I'm in agreement with you two on this as well. I've heard the
- album several times through and I do enjoy it. Granted it's got
- a bit of cheeze on it, but so do a lot of other recent releases.
- As far as being ground-breaking, well that's seems to be the rut
- the electronic music is in (generally speaking.) Take a listen to
- the new JS9 Bio-Tek cd for instance. What was going on in
- his mind while recordning this? "Can I possibly emulate FLA's
- style of music and make some easy cash?" Don't get me
- wrong, I enjoy his other releases, but this one was just
- rehashed garbage.
- > Who cares
> about their name?? Names, track and album titles are so subjective
> anyway...it is stupid to dislike or like, for that matter, a band
> because of their name. - True. I guess every electronic group has to have a cool
- cyber name like Front Line Assembly or Decoded Feedback
- in order to be good.
- > Someone else said something negatively about
> Brian's (isn't that his name?) web site devoted to Offbeat and Velvet
> Acid Christ. All I have to say about that is, yes, it has some typo's
> (he is dyslexic, if I remember correctly anyway...so give him some
> slack) - This is news to me. I know someone posted that the pages took
- too long to load up, well I'm running with a 28.8 and they don't
- take that long for me.
- > and a largely unaesthetic appearance, but you have to give this
> guy some credit. I mean, he is doing a *LOT* for this community and
> culture we call electro-industrial. He is doing his own project,
> making web sites for a lot of people and he obviously has his own
> life. I only wish I could do half of what people like Brian (and
> Jester, not to mention countless others) does for the followers and
> fans of electronic/noise/ambient music. Respect should be given to
> those that are furthering this genre, whether it be musically,
> artistically, philosophically or through literature. - Appearance wise I think it's par for the course. I never saw a
- post by Brian claiming that he had the best site on the net or
- anything. It's informative and that's what counts the most.
- > Whether you like
> his music or not is irrelevant. If you don't like it, so be it. If
> you do, so be it as well.
- Agreed. To many big-headed people think that their opinions
- are all that matters. It's closed-minded individuals like that who
- ruin the scene. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so long
- as they don't force it down everyone's elses throat. I hope all
- the negative posts against VAC don't stop prospective buyers to
- pass on it. Take a listen to it first. Make your own judgement
- from there.
- Dachar
- THE INDUSTRIAL BIBLE
- electro industrial web 'zine
- http://www/bitstorm.net/dachar/ibmain.htm
gj...@lehigh.edu
In article <5db58b$r...@bard.edu>, vm...@bard.edu (Vladimir McNeally) writes:
>My...
>There seems to be quite a bit of hate generated over poor little Velvet
>Acid Christ - for some reason, I enjoyed what I heard of them (minus their
>on here who enjoyed old Star Trek: Next Generation when it was on.
>Anyway, to sum it up, I enjoy their brand of Colorado cheesiness.
You want real Colorado electro? Then check out Fiction 8.
>
>Of course, this gets me to wondering - one of all of you who have posted
>on this thread about how much they "suck" must be dying to unload that
>"crappy" album on someone else. If so, I raise my hand above and say,
No, he was probably smart enough to listen to it at Digital Underground first.
>"I'll take it off your hands - what do you want for it?" I've got s
>Project Pitchfork album I'd love to part with - "dhyani", for it. I'm
>sure I can scrounge up other offers, too. Myself, I still can't figure
>out the fervor behind P.P. - as an aside, is there anyone besides me who
>gets annoyed when a singer (like Mr. P.P.) does the whole "I can make my
>voice sounds like vocal distortion with any equipment"? Anyway, VAC for
>PP (or something)....any takers?
>
>Also, I believe someone mentioned that they VAC suck (among other reasons)
>because of their dopey name...uh...last time I checked most electronic
>bands have dopey names...at least 75% of them do...
>Here's some examples (in my humble opinion):
>Leather Strip, X Marks the Pedwalk, yelworC (*real* creative), Psychic TV,
>Cat Rapes Dog, Swamp Terrorists, Armageddon Dildos (!!!), any band with
>number '23', KMFDM, Individual Totem, Fektion Fekler.....for a scant few.
>Some of these bands are great, others are...well...anyway, it's kind of
>like judging a band on their album artwork - both have no basis on what
>the music is like.
>
>
>
Hey, at least they don't have 'Machine', 'Death', or 'Pain' in their name.
Greg
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Mr. Tangent
On 5 Feb 1997 23:31:23 GMT, vm...@bard.edu (Vladimir McNeally) wrote:
>My...
>There seems to be quite a bit of hate generated over poor little Velvet
>Acid Christ - for some reason, I enjoyed what I heard of them (minus their
>bad 'goth' tacks), and even somewhat Borg samples.
I will have to agree with this assessment of V.A.C. I actually
enjoyed their 'Church of Acid' release. It isn't ground breaking but
it does have several cool electro-industrial tracks on it. Who cares
about their name?? Names, track and album titles are so subjective
anyway...it is stupid to dislike or like, for that matter, a band
because of their name. Someone else said something negatively about
Brian's (isn't that his name?) web site devoted to Offbeat and Velvet
Acid Christ. All I have to say about that is, yes, it has some typo's
(he is dyslexic, if I remember correctly anyway...so give him some
slack) and a largely unaesthetic appearance, but you have to give this
guy some credit. I mean, he is doing a *LOT* for this community and
culture we call electro-industrial. He is doing his own project,
making web sites for a lot of people and he obviously has his own
life. I only wish I could do half of what people like Brian (and
Jester, not to mention countless others) does for the followers and
fans of electronic/noise/ambient music. Respect should be given to
those that are furthering this genre, whether it be musically,
artistically, philosophically or through literature. Whether you like
his music or not is irrelevant. If you don't like it, so be it. If
you do, so be it as well.
> Myself, I still can't figure
>out the fervor behind P.P. - as an aside, is there anyone besides me who
>gets annoyed when a singer (like Mr. P.P.) does the whole "I can make my
>voice sounds like vocal distortion with any equipment"?
Yes! Finally, another person who dislikes Peter Spilles voice. I
like some of Project Pitchfork's music, until he opens his mouth and
begins to sing. I thought I was the only one who disliked them,
though. A couple of tracks were cool...but I would take Placebo
Effect, Mortal Constraint or Kalte Farben and the like over P.P. any
day.
Mr. Tangent
'If the Anti-Christ were to come to earth now and eradicate
three fourths of the earth's population, he had better be
prepared. He might want to also have a damn good lawyer.
Because the lawsuits he is going to face will make him wish
that he wasn't the bringer of the apocalypse.'
Vladimir McNeally
gj...@Lehigh.EDU wrote:
: In article <5db58b$r...@bard.edu>, vm...@bard.edu (Vladimir McNeally) writes:
: >My...
: >There seems to be quite a bit of hate generated over poor little Velvet
: >Acid Christ - for some reason, I enjoyed what I heard of them (minus their
: >on here who enjoyed old Star Trek: Next Generation when it was on.
: >Anyway, to sum it up, I enjoy their brand of Colorado cheesiness.
: You want real Colorado electro? Then check out Fiction 8.
: >
: >Of course, this gets me to wondering - one of all of you who have posted
: >on this thread about how much they "suck" must be dying to unload that
: >"crappy" album on someone else. If so, I raise my hand above and say,
: No, he was probably smart enough to listen to it at Digital Underground first.
: >"I'll take it off your hands - what do you want for it?" I've got s
: >Project Pitchfork album I'd love to part with - "dhyani", for it. I'm
: >sure I can scrounge up other offers, too. Myself, I still can't figure
: >out the fervor behind P.P. - as an aside, is there anyone besides me who
: >gets annoyed when a singer (like Mr. P.P.) does the whole "I can make my
: >voice sounds like vocal distortion with any equipment"? Anyway, VAC for
Vladimir McNeally
Alright...
Excuse that last 'unresponded' post to mine...trying to respond on an old
Mac Plus proves tricky....dammmit I miss arrow buttons...
Anyway...to respond to Greg...
Hey, Fiction 8! I *knew* there was a CD I was forgetting to try to pitch
in exchange for something over RMI...I disagree with you, though, Mr. G.
VAC may not tread new ground, but they're at least catchy and fun.
Fiction 8, on the other hand, I bought and was disappointed with...first
off, it's very dated, very derivate, and again, the guy's voice irritates
me (true - it was recorded 5 or so years ago, but *still*, sounds a bit
like 242 too much to me..). Anyway, 8's album proves to be a decent
'demo' album, but I'll be hesitant to buy anything of theirs again without
hearing the whole album first.
As for people's owning of the VAC CD, I could have sworn more than 1
person (that is, besides Druid) posted they thought it was pretty shitty.
(Too add to that, Fiction 8 for VAC, anyone?). Besides, I realize Druid
may have heard it at 'Diggity' Underground, but not all of us live in
Philly.
And you're right...I forgot about all those Machinery/Death/Pain bands.
Plus all those bands with "Inc." in the name as well. Not to mention
SPOCK...and they were even already mentioned in this thread!
Ta.
Aaron Johnston
On 5 Feb 1997 16:13:23 GMT, toms...@aol.com (Tom Shear) wrote:
>Well, keep in mind that Offbeat put out Noise Box initially... that
>certainly put things into perspective for me... ; )
>
> --Tom
HA! Noise Box is indeed the ultimate icon of contrived shite, BUT
let's not forget about Off Beat's second disaster...the Deep single by
Steril. It's always nice to know that other people see the cracks in
Off Beat's facade. I haven't heard much VAC but my RMI impression of
the prick ranks him right up there with Paul Abramson.
I remember the post he made when Stefan and Co. came rumbling through
the states..for some reason the VAC schmuck felt it would somehow
enhance the moment if he typed the part about them stopping to see him
in ALL CAPS...
How's this for all caps...
WHO FUCKING CARES?!
Somebody build a Velvet Acid Christ Ate My Balls page and let's move
on....
-Aaron
Serial.Port.Killer
Druid (st96...@post.drexel.edu) wrote:
<Anti-VAC post snipped>
Deep they aren't. Pioneers they aren't. But there's a certain appeal to
dancing to 140 bpm music with lots of cool Borg samples in it.
VAC are entertaining and forgettable electro that's quickly shifting toward
the dustier end of my collection.
Later...
Morgan
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In article <32f97a65...@news.earthlink.net>, Mas...@Inferno.Com
wrote:
>Somebody build a Velvet Acid Christ Ate My Balls page and let's move
>on....
Haha! Man, I thought I was the only one who knew about the "___ Ate My
Balls" pages... those are freaking hilarious....
Michael J Salo
Excerpts from netnews.rec.music.industrial: 5-Feb-97 Re: Velvet Acid
Christ is u.. by Vladimir McNeally@bard.e
> Cat Rapes Dog, Swamp Terrorists, Armageddon Dildos (!!!), any band with
> number '23', KMFDM, Individual Totem, Fektion Fekler.....for a scant few.
Cat Rapes Dog happens to be one of my favorite band names, and I don't
mind the others, with the exception of yelworC (truly one of the dumbest
names ever) and the "23" crowd.
Michael J. Salo
lick the boot.
tuesdays 10 - noon
88.3 fm wrct pittsburgh
Kerry
Actually, in case you didn't understand, yelworC is Crowley spelled
backwards. Crowley happened to be a scientist whose work, before he
disappeared, is probably beyond the scope of your understanding despite
being truly fascinating rather than "truly dumb."
Kerry
"The most merciful thing in the world...is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents."
-H.P. Lovecraft-
Serial.Port.Killer
Kerry (kra...@scad.edu) wrote:
: Actually, in case you didn't understand, yelworC is Crowley spelled
: backwards.
Which is exactly why most people think it's a stupid band name.
: Crowley happened to be a scientist whose work, before he
: disappeared, is probably beyond the scope of your understanding despite
: being truly fascinating rather than "truly dumb."
Eating your own shit and naming yourself, "The Great Beast" don't make
you either fascinating or profound. Crowley, was a self-confessed
charlatan who took on the oh-so-difficult task of offending the denizens
of Victorian England.
Don't get me wrong, I thought he was deep and fascinating for a while
too- it was around the age of 16, when I believed in the summoning spells
printed in the paperback edition of the Necronomicon.
Temper Saturnine
>>I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth, and
Truth is fact, all this shit below isn't fact, therefor not truth.
>>1) I don't like acid. Acid is stupid hippie drug. It is commonly
>>ingested by dirty pieces of shit, who claim to receive spiritual, mental,
>>or creative inspiration from the temporary rise in dopamine it causes.
>>Oddly enough schizophrenics also suffer from this chemical
>>inbalance(although on a permanent basis), yet they seem to be less than
>>productive creatively on the whole. The point is, that it is inproper
>for
>>Industrial bands to make frequent references to hippie shit. This trend
>>began with that hippie fuck, Kevin Key, and now it is expanding. No
>>more. I'm putting a stop to this right now.
My my, are you hiding your influces of the tv commercial's for "say no
to drugs" or do you have a serious hatred for acid? bad trip? wtf.
>>2)VAC seems to be competing with SPOCK for the title of "Electronic Band
>>Most Obsessed With the Abundant Sci-Fi Cliches of Star Trek". For the
>>love of God, don't fucking sample Star Trek. What the fuck were they
>>thinking? While they were at it they might as well have taken out all
>the
>>Star Wars movies as well.
>>
>>3)They are musically boring.
>>
>>4)The picture of them in the album annoys me.
>>
>>5)They plug their band on RMI far too frequently.
I suppose you don't like Haujobb either? in Fact you don't like any
bands daring enough to sample from well known moves and tv shows
do you? Too bad, your missing out.
>>Well that concludes our dosage of "The Truth" for today. Keep your eyes
>>peeled for my upcoming deprecation of the new Noise Unit album where I
>>accuse FLA of trying to drag Marc Verhagen and Haujobb down with them in
>>their own private pit of shit.
>>
>>"The Truth" has been a PES production.
More like "The Truth(is whatever i say it to be because i'm god)"
I'm sick of seeing mindless music bashers like you downsizing bands
that have more talent than you'll ever have.
-Temper
Kerry
Temper Saturnine wrote:
> >>2)VAC seems to be competing with SPOCK for the title of "Electronic Band
> >>Most Obsessed With the Abundant Sci-Fi Cliches of Star Trek". For the
> >>love of God, don't fucking sample Star Trek. What the fuck were they
> >>thinking? While they were at it they might as well have taken out all
> >the
> >>Star Wars movies as well.
> >>
> >>3)They are musically boring.
> >>
> >>4)The picture of them in the album annoys me.
> >>
> >>5)They plug their band on RMI far too frequently.
>
> I suppose you don't like Haujobb either? in Fact you don't like any
> bands daring enough to sample from well known moves and tv shows
> do you? Too bad, your missing out.
> >>
> >>"The Truth" has been a PES production.
>
> More like "The Truth(is whatever i say it to be because i'm god)"
>
> I'm sick of seeing mindless music bashers like you downsizing bands
> that have more talent than you'll ever have.
> -Temper
First of all, sampling from a popular series does not make you a
great band (which is noticeable in your lack of providing examples),
although some great bands happen to do it.
Second, I was wondering when you became the authority on the scope
of Druid's musical talent? Are you really the one who is "god"? I
suppose that you must be. Otherwise, how could you ever be able to judge
something which you have not heard. Forgive my insubordinate tone Oh
Great One....I meant not to offend you.
Kerry
Druid
In article <5db0ni$11...@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com>, PRG...@prodigy.com
(David Forbes) wrote:
> You know, You are such a fucking ignorant
> bastard.
Does Prodigy know you use langauge like that? : )
Druid
>
> As for people's owning of the VAC CD, I could have sworn more than 1
> person (that is, besides Druid) posted they thought it was pretty shitty.
> (Too add to that, Fiction 8 for VAC, anyone?). Besides, I realize Druid
> may have heard it at 'Diggity' Underground, but not all of us live in
> Philly.
You see people, this is a critical point. While many of you are
vehemently fighting to have Haujobb and Wumpscut played at your local
clubs for the first time, we, here in Philly, take such a playlist for
granted. Indeed, we are not content unless an average night contains some
Dive, some Lassigue Bendthaus, and the new Forma Tadre b-side from the
O-files all in the first hour. The point is that I, and more generally all
of Philly, are light years ahead of the rest of the US when it comes to
Industry. In truth, I have already dismissed many discs as utter junk
long before my critics even know of their existence.
Michael J Salo
Excerpts from netnews.rec.music.industrial: 10-Feb-97 Re: Velvet Acid
Christ is u.. by Ke...@scad.edu
> > names ever) and the "23" crowd.
>
> being truly fascinating rather than "truly dumb."
>
Hey dickhead, I think I know who Crowley is.
You think yelworC is a good name... who's truly dumb now?
(gee, when I have a band I'm gonna name it "tfarcevoL" or "yevaL" or
"nosnaM", that will make me really cool and scary, right? how about
"ronzeR"??)
"...Last came those that wept because they could not see the Joke"
-Aleister Crowley, "The Book of Lies"
Michael J. Salo
lick the boot. / tuesdays 10 - noon / 88.3 fm wrct pittsburgh
http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~salo/ltb.html
Greg Clow
Michael J Salo (sa...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: Hey dickhead, I think I know who Crowley is.
:
: You think yelworC is a good name... who's truly dumb now?
:
: (gee, when I have a band I'm gonna name it "tfarcevoL" or "yevaL" or
: "nosnaM", that will make me really cool and scary, right? how about
: "ronzeR"??)
For some reason, this whole conversation suddenly brought back memories
of an episode of that cheesy Hercules cartoon I used to watch as a kid
where his pal, Newton ("That's me! That's me!") has this dream that Herc
gets a new pal named Notwen - which is, of course, Newton spelled backwards.
Fuck, if I could clear all of this useless crap out of my brain, I'd
probably increase my intellegence fifty-fold...
Greg
Kerry
Vladimir McNeally wrote:
>
> : Actually, in case you didn't understand, yelworC is Crowley spelled
> : backwards. Crowley happened to be a scientist whose work, before he
> : disappeared, is probably beyond the scope of your understanding despite
> : being truly fascinating rather than "truly dumb."
>
> : Kerry
>
> defending, yelworc or Crowley? I, myself, was poking fun at 'yelworc's
> obvious 'kewl guy' tactic to win fans like, well, you I guess. Their
> spin-off, who I like to think is much better, Amgod, is also guilty of the
> pleasure of spelling words backwards, but it is not quite as cheesball.
> Crowley, in my opinion is a tad overrated by some circles. Anyway, going
> back to the orignial subject, the band, they don't ven *sing* about
> Crowley crap as far as I'm aware (well, at least on the Blood in Face
> EP...) - have you even heard this band? Anyway...
Yes, I have heard them, and no, I'm not a fan. I wasn't really defending
anyone. I was pointing out a fact that may or may not have changed
people's minds about the name being stupid. True, it may be dumb to have
named themselves after a person by spelling his name backwards, but on
the upside it at least has a point (though I think you're right; they
don't sing about it). I usually consider that as one of the deciding
factors of whether or not a name is dumb.
Kerry
Michael J Salo wrote:
>
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.music.industrial: 10-Feb-97 Re: Velvet Acid
> Christ is u.. by Ke...@scad.edu
> > > mind the others, with the exception of yelworC (truly one of the dumbest
> > > names ever) and the "23" crowd.
> >
> > backwards. Crowley happened to be a scientist whose work, before he
> > disappeared, is probably beyond the scope of your understanding despite
> > being truly fascinating rather than "truly dumb."
> >
> > Kerry
>
>
> You think yelworC is a good name... who's truly dumb now?
>
> (gee, when I have a band I'm gonna name it "tfarcevoL" or "yevaL" or
> "nosnaM", that will make me really cool and scary, right? how about
> "ronzeR"??)
>
> -Aleister Crowley, "The Book of Lies"
Fair enough, although I don't particularly see the need to go for the
thoat on this one. Often, I've encountered people who DON'T know who
Crowley is. Besides the fact, my retort was more in sarcasm than spite.
Furthermore, you'll notice that nowhere in my statement did I mention the
fact that it was a good name. I was instead pointing out a fact to you
which, had you not already known it, may have changed your original
opinion. In any case, yelworC sucks whether or not their name is any
good.
gj...@lehigh.edu
>>>I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth, and
>>>as usual that responsibility has fallen onto me, so here we go:
>
>Truth is fact, all this shit below isn't fact, therefor not truth.
>
>>>1) I don't like acid. Acid is stupid hippie drug. It is commonly
>>>ingested by dirty pieces of shit, who claim to receive spiritual, mental,
>>>or creative inspiration from the temporary rise in dopamine it causes.
>>>Oddly enough schizophrenics also suffer from this chemical
>>>inbalance(although on a permanent basis), yet they seem to be less than
>>>productive creatively on the whole. The point is, that it is inproper
>>for
>>>Industrial bands to make frequent references to hippie shit. This trend
>>>began with that hippie fuck, Kevin Key, and now it is expanding. No
>>>more. I'm putting a stop to this right now.
>
>My my, are you hiding your influces of the tv commercial's for "say no
>to drugs" or do you have a serious hatred for acid? bad trip? wtf.
>
>>>Most Obsessed With the Abundant Sci-Fi Cliches of Star Trek". For the
>>>love of God, don't fucking sample Star Trek. What the fuck were they
>>>thinking? While they were at it they might as well have taken out all
>>the
>>>Star Wars movies as well.
>>>
>>>3)They are musically boring.
>>>
>>>4)The picture of them in the album annoys me.
>>>
>>>5)They plug their band on RMI far too frequently.
>
>I suppose you don't like Haujobb either? in Fact you don't like any
>bands daring enough to sample from well known moves and tv shows
>do you? Too bad, your missing out.
Actually, I think you're missing the point as to why VAC has been getting
bashed so much on here lately. I could care less what bands sample (althoug
you have to admit the "Road Warrior" and "Exorcist" samples are a bit old),
what their name is, or what drugs they do (even though I'm not into any drugs),
as long as the music is good. The real reason so many hate VAC is because of
their inane babbling on rmi about how great and cool they were. "Church of
Acid" is certainly not complete shit. But its not the greatest CD of the
decade either and not worth buying. Still, I would be perfectly willing to
let VAC go its way without ever criticizing them. After all, doing electro in
America is a bold move in itself. However, if you're going to compare
yourself in every post you make to all the bands like Haujobb or SP that most
rmi denizens like and then release a sub-standard album, you better be ready
to take some hits.
>
>
>
>>>Well that concludes our dosage of "The Truth" for today. Keep your eyes
>>>peeled for my upcoming deprecation of the new Noise Unit album where I
>>>accuse FLA of trying to drag Marc Verhagen and Haujobb down with them in
>>>their own private pit of shit.
>>>
>>>"The Truth" has been a PES production.
>
>More like "The Truth(is whatever i say it to be because i'm god)"
>
>I'm sick of seeing mindless music bashers like you downsizing bands
>that have more talent than you'll ever have.
>-Temper
>
Yeah, but if you have a talent are you supposed to flaunt it in everyone's face.
As someone who would like to compose music one day, I hope I'm never as
pompous as VAC. Hopefully, though, VAC has learned their lesson.
Colonel Panic
Kerry <kra...@scad.edu> did spew forth the following in rec.music.industrial
>backwards. Crowley happened to be a scientist whose work, before he
>disappeared, is probably beyond the scope of your understanding despite
>being truly fascinating rather than "truly dumb."
Crowley was a scientist? Yeah...and Uri Geller is really psychic, Masami
Akita is Lawrence Welk in disguise, and Druid is kind, tolerant and patient
with net.boneheads.
--
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Art is not a mirror - our perceptions are a mirror. Art is a hammer.
Aaron Jon Reichow
> actually, i'd consider LSD to be VERY much an "industrial" drug. sure,
> hippies were and are into it, but when you get right down TO it, LSD is
> a man-made chemical that usually makes you feel like something is trying
> to forcibly birth itself out of yr mind. and almost NOTHING sounds
> better while tripping than some 242 or cabaret voltaire. but, i guess
> it's a matter of personal choice.. just be aware that acid is NOT
> exclusively taken by "hippies", and that when you get right down to it
> it doesn't really make you feel full of "peace and love" at all.
all drugs are only for fucking hippies. except liquid eyeliner, of course.
aaron
[ rev. aaron reichow : reic...@freenet.msp.mn.us ]
Robb Cunningham
The Supernaut wrote:
> Most, if not all, of the band names you listed actually -mean- something.
> In my not so humble opinion, band names should generally fit a catagory.
> They should:
>
> a) mean something
> b) be reflective of the band
> (or)
> c) at least fucking sound cool
>
> VAC doesn't meet any of these "prerequisites." The name means -nothing-.
> If it's refelective of the band, they should seek help.
> It does -not- sound cool. It sounds like something I would've said when I
> was 13.
Velvet Acid Christ is probably the most terrible band name I have EVER
heard. I think that the only reason Marilyn Manson isn't called VAC is
because they were beat to it. Those are probably the three most cliched
"rivethead" words I can think of. This, added to the fact that Disease
Factory followed up at least 5 threads a day proclaiming how his band is
better than mentallo, haujobb, and :w: combined (not to mention their
album is called Church of Acid and has a big flaming pentagram on it)
will cause me to *never* go out of my way to hear this band.
also I am going to have to challenge where you say that a band name is
OK if it means something. not true, if it means something stupid then
it is stupid. how do you justify Leather Strip, Project Pitchfork,
Evil's Toy, Armageddon Dildos (!), any of the thousands of bands with
Christ or 23 in the name.. the list could go on..
I might interject here that I think Scorn is possibly the best band name
that I have ever heard. I think that it works well under every type of
music that Harris has yet brought us. other great band names... Test
Department, Gerogerigegege (translated: puke diahrea gag gag gag), Anal
Cunt (beautiful imagery), Lustmord (even though it's his name.. what a
name!), Illusion of Safety, Throbbing Gristle...
--
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The Supernaut
Vladimir McNeally (vm...@bard.edu) wrote:
: Project Pitchfork album I'd love to part with - "dhyani", for it. I'm
: sure I can scrounge up other offers, too. Myself, I still can't figure
: out the fervor behind P.P. - as an aside, is there anyone besides me who
: gets annoyed when a singer (like Mr. P.P.) does the whole "I can make my
: voice sounds like vocal distortion with any equipment"? Anyway, VAC for
Hrmmmm....I dunno, that doesn't sound right. Project Pitchfork have shown
exemplory skills in programming, performance, and execution. While I will
openly admit (flame away, rmi) that I really enjoy a lot of geetar bands
(16 volt, hate dept, diatribe, etc.) (hey, I play geetar), PP's reliance
on things digital really blew me away. It refreshing to hear a "newer"
ind group that shone digitally, without sounding like Puppy.
: Also, I believe someone mentioned that they VAC suck (among other reasons)
: because of their dopey name...uh...last time I checked most electronic
: bands have dopey names...at least 75% of them do...
: Here's some examples (in my humble opinion):
: >snip<
Most, if not all, of the band names you listed actually -mean- something.
In my not so humble opinion, band names should generally fit a catagory.
They should:
a) mean something
b) be reflective of the band
(or)
c) at least fucking sound cool
VAC doesn't meet any of these "prerequisites." The name means -nothing-.
If it's refelective of the band, they should seek help.
It does -not- sound cool. It sounds like something I would've said when I
was 13.
mike
/etc/earth is full ... please delete anyone you can.
The Supernaut
worldnet (tie...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: is from star wars. RMI seems to be full of ^$$%% if you know what I
: vast music taste throughout the world and your opinion dosent mean
: *&^. I only ()*(*) because I am at work.
Okie...that makes sense. You can get away with browsing Usenet, but
you're afraid someone will see you type "fuck"?
Francis X. Connor
Best band name: Cabaret Voltaire. Kirk, Mal, and Watson did *everything*
right. It hints at their influences and gives an idea of their approach
to sound (the original Cabaret Voltaire was a dadaist hangout) and, most
importantly it sounds and (bonus points!) looks cool.
Worst band name: You'd think two of the most creative musical minds on the
planet would think of a better bandname than "Chris & Cosey". Makes them
sound like a bad lounge act...
Later,
Fran
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Serial.Port.Killer
Aaron Jon Reichow (reic...@freenet.msp.mn.us) wrote:
: all drugs are only for fucking hippies. except liquid eyeliner, of course.
*nod* It's called natural selection at work.
Though I'm not about to knock the Sierra Nevada sitting beside the
keyboard. ;)
Vladimir McNeally
The Supernaut (supr...@universe.digex.net) wrote:
: Hrmmmm....I dunno, that doesn't sound right. Project Pitchfork have shown
: exemplory skills in programming, performance, and execution. While I will
: openly admit (flame away, rmi) that I really enjoy a lot of geetar bands
: (16 volt, hate dept, diatribe, etc.) (hey, I play geetar), PP's reliance
: on things digital really blew me away. It refreshing to hear a "newer"
: ind group that shone digitally, without sounding like Puppy.
Well, I'm a card carrying-member of the geetar band fan club, so don't
worry, you're not alone. As for Pitchfork, I'll agree they do have their
own sound, which does make them stand out, I just don't like it. After
all, one could say that Todd Rundgren is an amazing programmer, but the
end product still sounds crappy. I do think Pitchfork are able to carry a
good tune once in a while (2nd Step, Souls, The Seeker, etc.), but too
often they 'drop the ball' and just churn out well-programmed trash (this
is an opinion).
: Most, if not all, of the band names you listed actually -mean- something.
: In my not so humble opinion, band names should generally fit a catagory.
: They should:
: a) mean something
Still doesn't justify the "Armageddon Dildos".
: b) be reflective of the band
Well, this is where I'd put VAC - they seem to be as ggoofy as their name.
: c) at least fucking sound cool
: VAC doesn't meet any of these "prerequisites." The name means -nothing-.
: If it's refelective of the band, they should seek help.
: It does -not- sound cool. It sounds like something I would've said when I
: was 13.
The same thing some people may say about :wumpscut:, since it doesn't
mean anything at all, so it can't even meet your 1st 2 requirements.
Again, I say this is like judging a band on the cover art. Anyway...
Vlad.
dbk
>also I am going to have to challenge where you say that a band name is
>OK if it means something. not true, if it means something stupid then
>it is stupid. how do you justify Leather Strip, Project Pitchfork,
>Evil's Toy, Armageddon Dildos (!), any of the thousands of bands with
>Christ or 23 in the name.. the list could go on..
>
>I might interject here that I think Scorn is possibly the best band name
>that I have ever heard. I think that it works well under every type of
>music that Harris has yet brought us. other great band names... Test
>Department, Gerogerigegege (translated: puke diahrea gag gag gag), Anal
>Cunt (beautiful imagery), Lustmord (even though it's his name.. what a
>name!), Illusion of Safety, Throbbing Gristle...
Well, just so I get to say "everything is subjective" for the the last
innumerable time...
I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
disliked the VAC cd cover with pentagrams and all kinds of "we are cool, buy
us" crap on it. A name like Anal Cunt seems to have it's head in the
"shock/schlock" rock crowd that MM is often dropped into. Anal Cunt... MM...
both sound like they are using cheese to sell records.
On the other hand, I think Project Pitchfork and Leather Strip sound like
excellent names because they don't seem to be trying to force a preconception
of what the band entails on the buyer. I think Scorn is in that catagory as
well... far too descriptive of an emotion. Ahwell...
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Greg Clow
Robb Cunningham (iceo...@smartlink.net) wrote:
: Cunt (beautiful imagery), Lustmord (even though it's his name.. what a
: name!),
Not it's not. His real name is Brian Williams. He took to calling himself
Brian (or B.) Lustmord after he adopted it as a project name.
Greg
Robb Cunningham
dbk wrote:
> I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
> disliked the VAC cd cover with pentagrams and all kinds of "we are cool, buy
> us" crap on it. A name like Anal Cunt seems to have it's head in the
> "shock/schlock" rock crowd that MM is often dropped into. Anal Cunt... MM...
> both sound like they are using cheese to sell records.
>
yes but anal cunt is funny, when I first heard the name anal cunt I
laughed. they put out CDs with 40 tracks of noise with titles like "The
Internet Is Gay". they are obviously joking, whereas VAC thinks they're
being serious. That's the difference
AGENT
David Forbes wrote:
>
> st96...@post.drexel.edu (Druid) wrote:
> >
> >I think it's about time someone gave these guys a taste of the truth,
> and
> >as usual that responsibility has fallen onto me, so here we go:
> >
> >ingested by dirty pieces of shit, who claim to receive spiritual, mental,
>
> >or creative inspiration from the temporary rise in dopamine it causes.
> >Oddly enough schizophrenics also suffer from this chemical
> >inbalance(although on a permanent basis), yet they seem to be less than
> >productive creatively on the whole. The point is, that it is inproper
> for
> >Industrial bands to make frequent references to hippie shit. This
> trend
> >began with that hippie fuck, Kevin Key, and now it is expanding. No
> >more. I'm putting a stop to this right now.
>
> what industrial music is. You know, You are such a fucking ignorant
> bastard. Who are you to determine what is improper for bands to make
> reference to? Did VAC ever force you to listen to their album? I love
> how you diss cevin key. Maybe he is a hippie fuck as you say, who knows,
> but I think he's had enough influence on many bands you likely listen to
> today that you could give him that much respect...unless your holier than
> though "i don't give a fuck" attitude prevails you.
>
> >2)VAC seems to be competing with SPOCK for the title of "Electronic
> Band
> >Most Obsessed With the Abundant Sci-Fi Cliches of Star Trek". For the
> >love of God, don't fucking sample Star Trek. What the fuck were they
> >thinking? While they were at it they might as well have taken out all
> the
> >Star Wars movies as well.
> >
> >3)They are musically boring.
> >
> >4)The picture of them in the album annoys me.
>
> tears? Or just break into the violin solo.
>
> >5)They plug their band on RMI far too frequently.
>
> they do post alot..isn't good to be proud of your music? I'm yet to hear
> VAC..but i've emailed with them, and find them to be very nice and I have
> heard good things about the music. Have you been coined the president of
> this newsgroup? I think there is no law of the net that says "DRUID is
> annoyed by your multiple posts, so NOBODY can post alot about themself."
> Fuck you.
>
>
> >Well that concludes our dosage of "The Truth" for today. Keep your
> eyes
> >peeled for my upcoming deprecation of the new Noise Unit album where I
> >accuse FLA of trying to drag Marc Verhagen and Haujobb down with them
> in
> >their own private pit of shit.
>
> shit. It's people like you that make the industrial scene so shitty.
> Everyone likes what THEY like and are too close minded to accept anyone's
> elses style.
> >"The Truth" has been a PES production.
> >
> >
> >--
> >======================The Philadelphia Electro Society===============
>
> >Long live the movement. Long live the people.
> >
> >"Like torches in the aeon flow, even suns flicker and die
> >Forgotten as the ages grow, eternity is not for you"
> > -Covenant from "Flux"
> >
> >The PES supports MACOS.
> >=====================================================================
> clubs drinking shitty beer and whining about how much the world hates
> them? Sure makes you look pretty industrial by tagging that. Can I be
> your friend?
>
> zach/Deat...@prodigy.com
>
> If I were industrial like Druid, I would use this space to put a tag or
> some really neat quotes that make me elite. Or I could just laugh at him
> and go on about my business. Yeah..option B.
Yeah I also heard that Druid was in a band. Heard it sucked also.
"No one likes my music", Druid thinks to himself. Sniff. Sniff.
"I wish people would understand that my music is very industrial
and very non hippie! My bands name will be soo industrial
that the people who listen to the music will grow wires out of
people's eyesockets. "
No wonder he is slagging bands. Maybee it will make himself feel
better in the long run. All warm and fuzzy inside!!!
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY
m.c.death
heh. dumb band names. time for a shameless plug:
Attenuated Euphoria doeth, in the eyes of detractors and naysayers, sound
silly and somewhat oretentious, but alas, you can't judge a band by its
name alone (album due out in late 1997). heck, AE even made it on some web
site that listed all the silly band names ever--nice to be honoured on a
same page as The Melvins ;)
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Bat
> dbk wrote:
>
> > I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
There once was a band (may still be)...
Vaginal Blood Farts
chew on that.
Temper Saturnine
>: Also, I believe someone mentioned that they VAC suck (among other reasons)
>: because of their dopey name...uh...last time I checked most electronic
>: bands have dopey names...at least 75% of them do...
>: Here's some examples (in my humble opinion):
>: >snip<
>
>In my not so humble opinion, band names should generally fit a catagory.
>They should:
>
>a) mean something
>c) at least fucking sound cool
Haujobb's meaning, isn't all that exciting, isn't reflective of the
band, and doesn't sound really that cool at all. Yet they are valued
as a very talented band. They are commonly judged by they're talent,
which all bands should be judged by, or am i terribly wrong and
haujobb sucks or something?
>oesn't meet any of these "prerequisites." The name means -nothing-.
>If it's refelective of the band, they should seek help.
>It does -not- sound cool. It sounds like something I would've said when I
>was 13.
If you put the words Velvet, Acid, and Christ together in one setence
when your 13 i would be very surprised... and probably steal the name
for a band... ;p`
-Temper
James Cooney
>Haujobb's meaning, isn't all that exciting, isn't reflective of the
>band, and doesn't sound really that cool at all. Yet they are valued
>as a very talented band. They are commonly judged by they're talent,
>which all bands should be judged by, or am i terribly wrong and
>haujobb sucks or something?
Actally, since its taken from Blade Runner and Haujobb say they are (or were)
very influenced by Blade Runner, Aliens, and other such films, it is
appropriate.
David Forbes
>> If I were industrial like Druid, I would use this space to put a tag
or
>> some really neat quotes that make me elite. Or I could just laugh at
him
>> and go on about my business. Yeah..option B.
>
>Yeah I also heard that Druid was in a band. Heard it sucked also.
>"No one likes my music", Druid thinks to himself. Sniff. Sniff.
>"I wish people would understand that my music is very industrial
>and very non hippie! My bands name will be soo industrial
>that the people who listen to the music will grow wires out of
>people's eyesockets. "
>No wonder he is slagging bands. Maybee it will make himself feel
>better in the long run. All warm and fuzzy inside!!!
>HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY
Amen. Thus proving my theory that Druid is a spineless fecal scrunch. He
hasn't even bothered to respond to my slashes, or should i say OUR
slashes at his lack in character. Maybe the Philadelphia Electro Society
beat him in to their little gang, and he's recovering from all the
keyboards to the head he took.
or maybe an epiphany has occurred.
James Cooney
>You see people, this is a critical point. While many of you are
>vehemently fighting to have Haujobb and Wumpscut played at your local
>clubs for the first time, we, here in Philly, take such a playlist for
>granted. Indeed, we are not content unless an average night contains some
>Dive, some Lassigue Bendthaus, and the new Forma Tadre b-side from the
>O-files all in the first hour. The point is that I, and more generally all
>of Philly, are light years ahead of the rest of the US when it comes to
>Industry. In truth, I have already dismissed many discs as utter junk
>long before my critics even know of their existence.
As a suburban philly industrialite, I'm curious, where do you go to clubs?
The only regular even I knew of was the bank, and god knows I can't listen to
goth that long. Well?
np: pygmy children: recoil
Francis X. Connor
: Amen. Thus proving my theory that Druid is a spineless fecal scrunch. He
: hasn't even bothered to respond to my slashes, or should i say OUR
: slashes at his lack in character. Maybe the Philadelphia Electro Society
: beat him in to their little gang, and he's recovering from all the
: keyboards to the head he took.
<groan>
You obviously don't know Druid. He hasn't responded to you because HE
DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. That's quite admirable. He knows that y'all
are going to unleash the same rote, predictable attacks on him (and you
did, you lemmings) so he doesn't bother to educate you, he'll let you
wallow. Once again, you have fallen for Druid's trap.
: or maybe an epiphany has occurred.
He doesn't need an epiphany. Most eveyone else does.
-stark- [*WHAT* ever]
> st96...@post.drexel.edu (Druid) writes:
>> The point is that I, and more generally all
>>of Philly, are light years ahead of the rest of the US when it comes to
>>Industry. In truth, I have already dismissed many discs as utter junk
>>long before my critics even know of their existence.
so as a member of the industrial community, and someone who holds a vested
interest in fostering growth and change in said community, should you not make
at least a token effort to bring a few of the other pockets of industry up to
the level you claim you and Philly are at?
is it not virtually your fucking *DUTY* to inform the lesser scenes when a good
release hits your hands? to post playlists, and perhaps even wishlists, thereby
imparting your vast and superior knowledge to those less fortunate than
yourself, and improving the state of the genre and the scene overall?
i know i was perhaps a tad condescending in the above, but seriously...if philly
is light-years ahead, instead of going on an ego-trip about it, why not drop
some knowledge in the mix. i'm certain it can only help.
or you can be a dick about it.
just my $0.23. whatever.
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dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
: I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
: "shock/schlock" rock crowd that MM is often dropped into. Anal Cunt... MM...
: both sound like they are using cheese to sell records.
Speaking of "Anal" bands.. does anyone know what happened to the Anal
Kitties?
dbk
>You obviously don't know Druid. He hasn't responded to you because HE
>DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. That's quite admirable. He knows that y'all
>are going to unleash the same rote, predictable attacks on him (and you
>did, you lemmings) so he doesn't bother to educate you, he'll let you
>wallow. Once again, you have fallen for Druid's trap.
That's the stupidest load of crap I have heard in awhile. I'm not just
saying this, because I have no real vested interest in protecting previous
posts of mine. I haven't even posted to this thread, I don't think. If you
guys didn't "care" what people think, there wouldn't be posts such as "Fran's
new cd's!" or "The Druidic year in review." Come on... as if those aren't
simply blatant attempts to boost ego or generate a "presense" on rmi.
Well, maybe my posts are, too. Can't hide from my own disgust. But at least
I don't do it in such a desparate manner. Druid's "trap"? That's a joke.
Unless he created this thread as a means to troll for responses [and I don't
believe that] there is no trap here, just an opinion which maybe overstepped
its original intention. Fuck, Idunno.
But this "I'm god, here's my new thread" crap seems somewhat new to me. I
don't remember such blatant egothreads in the past couple years. But I haven't
read rmi everyday either.
Ork ork, one industrial guru defends another with his guru-ness. Whoopee.
Francis X. Connor
dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
: But this "I'm god, here's my new thread" crap seems somewhat new to me. I
: don't remember such blatant egothreads in the past couple years. But I haven't
: read rmi everyday either.
: Ork ork, one industrial guru defends another with his guru-ness. Whoopee.
Hmmm. I was going to post a large, point-by-point response completely
dissing you, but I think what I'd have to say can be boiled down to 25
words or less:
For god's sake, Mr. dbk. Smile once in awhile. Please. Laugh. Find
the humour in things. Don't take rmi so seriously.
Later,
Fran "God forbid we have a lil' bit o' fun on rmi" Connor
Francis X. Connor
Sorry to flog this deceased horse again, but...
dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Druid's "trap"? That's a joke.
OK. Here's a hint: you got this part right. Think about that...
Later,
Fran "Every Man In His Humour" Connor
The Supernaut
Serial.Port.Killer (rive...@netcom.com) wrote:
: Though I'm not about to knock the Sierra Nevada sitting beside the
: keyboard. ;)
No, no...of course not. But then, i think there needs to be a distinciton
between the technical definition of 'drugs' , which definately includes
alcohol, and the conversational definition of 'drugs' which usually
doesn't. "Drugs" are used with the express intention of getting fucked
up, which isn't something that especially appeals to me. LSD, especially,
is soley used for the hallucinagenic effect.
I'm a big fan of many of the brands of Hard Ciders currently available,
and enjoy a bottle or two when time and circumstances permit. Do I get
loaded off the one or two bottles I consume? Not in the slightest.
Moreover, I enjoy the change of pace from the gallons of coffee and diet
cola I consume (which aren't -mood- or -perception- altering, either) to
keep me awake and coherent while trying to fix 500+ lines of perl.
So no, I don't do "Drugs" and I haven't for over 6 years. Do I enjoy the
occasional bottle of booze? Yep.
David Forbes
st96...@post.drexel.edu (Druid) wrote:
>
>In article <5db0ni$11...@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com>, PRG...@prodigy.com
>(David Forbes) wrote:
>
>> You know, You are such a fucking ignorant
>> bastard.
>
>
>Druid
Yeah..considering I'm a system operator, they really don't care. Nice
attempt at humor I must say. Insert next witty retort here <
>
Kerry
Druid wrote:
>
> In article <5dcvtb$p...@bard.edu>, vm...@bard.edu (Vladimir McNeally) wrote:
>
> >
> > As for people's owning of the VAC CD, I could have sworn more than 1
> > person (that is, besides Druid) posted they thought it was pretty shitty.
> > (Too add to that, Fiction 8 for VAC, anyone?). Besides, I realize Druid
> > may have heard it at 'Diggity' Underground, but not all of us live in
> > Philly.
>
> You see people, this is a critical point. While many of you are
> vehemently fighting to have Haujobb and Wumpscut played at your local
> clubs for the first time, we, here in Philly, take such a playlist for
> granted. Indeed, we are not content unless an average night contains some
> Dive, some Lassigue Bendthaus, and the new Forma Tadre b-side from the
> of Philly, are light years ahead of the rest of the US when it comes to
> Industry. In truth, I have already dismissed many discs as utter junk
> long before my critics even know of their existence.
>
>
> --
> ======================The Philadelphia Electro Society===============
> Long live the movement. Long live the people.
>
> "Like torches in the aeon flow, even suns flicker and die
> Forgotten as the ages grow, eternity is not for you"
> -Covenant from "Flux"
>
> The PES supports MACOS.
> =====================================================================
AMEN. I can't tell you people how much I miss Philadelphia. As
I've said in previous posts, it's hard to go anyplace else and be
satisfied with the music.
However, in response to stark's post about helping out lesser
scenes, I must say that it sounds good but is not as easy as it seems.
It would be great if people like Druid and others from the Philadelphia
scene (like myself) could help out other cities. Unfortunately, people
on RMI aren't always quick to listen to the opinions of others.
Therefore, the only TRULY effective way of introducing new stuff is to
actually bring it to the club. Now, if I could travel around the country
to different cities and bring all of my CDs with me, I'd be thrilled.
This however is impossible. The best I can do is to bring some new music
to the club here in Savannah while I'm at school. This, I must add, has
proven to be effective and has persuaded the DJ to order some of the
stuff I brought (i.e., :wumpscut:, Eco, Zero Defects).
At any rate, I'm sure that many of us from Philly would love to see
the scene grow in other places and would love for others to be able to
keep up with new releases like we can. As it stands, however, we can't
really do a whole lot except to be thankful for our situation.
Therefore, I suppose that Druid's "ego-trip" is partially justified
because people seem more interested in putting down his ideas rather than
listening to what he has to say.
Kerry
"The most merciful thing in the world...is the inability of the human
mind to correlate all its contents."
-H.P. Lovecraft-
Robb Cunningham
The Supernaut wrote:
> cola I consume (which aren't -mood- or -perception- altering, either) to
1. a "drug" is something that causes *any* chemical reaction in your
body, not just altering you -moods- and -perceptions-. (would you
consider steroids a drug? how about speed?)
2. if you don't think alcohol is -mood- or -perception- altering, you
are a fucking idiot.
The Supernaut
Robb Cunningham (iceo...@smartlink.net) wrote:
: 1. a "drug" is something that causes *any* chemical reaction in your
: body, not just altering you -moods- and -perceptions-. (would you
: consider steroids a drug? how about speed?)
And, if you'd read the post, you'd have seen the part about
the technical definition of drugs, and the conversational one I
referred to.
: 2. if you don't think alcohol is -mood- or -perception- altering, you
: are a fucking idiot.
I'm not going to argue the technical point you're making, but it's the
implication that I'm a "fucking idiot" that *really* pisses me off.
1 bottle of cider is neither mood nor perception altering for me, and that
was the point I was making. LSD, in ANY quantity is mood altering, and is
used for the sole purpose of tripping. Alcohol, while often used for
getting drunk, is not always used for that EXPRESS purpose. I will have a
bottle of Woodchuck (or what have you) for the taste and change of pace,
not to get shit faced. Alcohol can be used, with discretion, without mood
or perception altering effects. So no, I'm not a "fucking idiot."
db
> For god's sake, Mr. dbk. Smile once in awhile. Please. Laugh. Find
> the humour in things. Don't take rmi so seriously.
Whee! You beat me to the punch, I guess you win now.
rarped
db
> : Druid's "trap"? That's a joke.
>
> OK. Here's a hint: you got this part right. Think about that...
Hot damn, your posts are so witty that it filled two complete messages.
rarped
Stupid Octave Cat
wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Francis X. Connor) wrote:
>Worst band name: You'd think two of the most creative musical minds on the
>planet would think of a better bandname than "Chris & Cosey". Makes them
>sound like a bad lounge act...
Waitaminute. You mean they aren't?
:)
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wrote:
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E Loch
>wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Francis X. Connor) wrote:
>
>>Worst band name: You'd think two of the most creative musical minds on the
>>planet would think of a better bandname than "Chris & Cosey". Makes them
>>sound like a bad lounge act...
>
>Waitaminute. You mean they aren't?
Here's a few I just don't get:
Digital Poodle - Bad, bad, bad... (bad dog?)
X Marks the Pedwalk - Whether it means something or not, it just
sucks.
Spahn Ranch - Sounds more like a fishy salad dressing than a Manson
Family hangout.
And I must say, as much as I actully like the name "Kevorkian Death
Cycle", it sounds like an exercise bike that runs over your own head.
Out,
E Loch
m...@chalkhead.com
Luxt 0+*
Thin White Duke
In article <3307E6...@smartlink.net>, Robb incorrectly stated:
Æ 1. a "drug" is something that causes *any* chemical reaction in your
Æ body, not just altering you -moods- and -perceptions-. (would you
Æ consider steroids a drug? how about speed?)
HA! Your foolish post just made me laugh out loud. Surely that
accompanied a chemical reaction in my body. Therefore, your post is a
drug.
Thin White "Don't play Mr. Scientist unless you know what you're talking
about" Duke
(np: "Looking For Satellites" -- Bowie)
--
"if you can't live with it, find a new channel... rmi *is* about being
elitist, abrasive and hate-filled. the more you're willing to flame, the
better you are. live with it. it's not going to change, nor should it change."
thus spake downfall of the lower case letters.
Thin White Duke says: Blow me! And while you're at it, check out
http://www.columbia.edu/~dek17
Druid
> That's the stupidest load of crap I have heard in awhile. I'm not just
> saying this, because I have no real vested interest in protecting previous
> posts of mine. I haven't even posted to this thread, I don't think. If you
> guys didn't "care" what people think, there wouldn't be posts such as "Fran's
> new cd's!" or "The Druidic year in review." Come on... as if those aren't
> simply blatant attempts to boost ego or generate a "presense" on rmi.
I simply give my opinions and then ignore the thread that follows. My
experience with RMI is that few people are both bright enough and
knowledgeable enough to debate Industry with me. You can listen to my
opinions or you can ignore them. I really don't care. I'm listening to
the best Industry out there, and just offering to show other people the
way.
Ge@rhed
E Loch wrote:
> Spahn Ranch - Sounds more like a fishy salad dressing than a Manson
> Family hangout.
Customer: "I'll have a salad, please."
Waitress: "Would you like Thousand Island, Italian, or 'Spahn Ranch'
dressing with that?"
Customer: "I'll take 'Spahn Ranch' please. Thank you."
Ge@rhed
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James Cooney
In article <33087d0b.6731113@news> m...@chalkhead.com (E Loch) writes:
>X Marks the Pedwalk - Whether it means something or not, it just
>sucks.
Its from a horror short story by some guy.. i forget his name.. Franz Leiber?
np: templebeat: magick patrol
dbk
In article <st96e2wc-180...@kelly1-514.resnet.drexel.edu>,
st96...@post.drexel.edu says...
>I simply give my opinions and then ignore the thread that follows. My
>experience with RMI is that few people are both bright enough and
>knowledgeable enough to debate Industry with me. You can listen to my
>opinions or you can ignore them. I really don't care. I'm listening to
>the best Industry out there, and just offering to show other people the
>way.
>
>Druid
I decided to frame this and put it on my wall. Hey, don't laugh... doing
something very similar has helped me stop smoking, maybe this will help me to
keep from spilling my ego on top of an entire newsgroup [and then attempting to
justify it].
Steve Alvarez
Druid wrote:
> > I simply give my opinions and then ignore the thread that follows. My
> experience with RMI is that few people are both bright enough and
> knowledgeable enough to debate Industry with me. You can listen to my
> opinions or you can ignore them. I really don't care. I'm listening to
> the best Industry out there, and just offering to show other people the
> way.
>
> Druid
>
Well mister high and mighty, did you ever here the phrase that "
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one". You want to debate
"Industry" (whatever that means), you cool Philly dude, then put your
money where your mouth is and let us debate it.
As a brief aside, are you saying that a majority of people are dumb who
are involved in the RMI / Are you? well you must be one smart person
then to make that assumption.
By the way, I love Velvet Acid Christ. I think that the band is very
good.
Rock on dude
[nerve]
Druid wrote:
>
> I simply give my opinions and then ignore the thread that follows. My
> experience with RMI is that few people are both bright enough and
> knowledgeable enough to debate Industry with me. You can listen to my
> opinions or you can ignore them. I really don't care. I'm listening > to the best Industry out there, and just offering to show other people > the way.
That is so pathetic. The fact that you are a liar ( you obviously can't
reply to a thread that you are ignoring ) is enough, but couple that
with you throwing the term "industry" around and you have an almost
comedic routine in the works. You know the word 'industrial' is getting
bad enough, 'industry' sounds like some wank trying to make the music he
listens to sound like it's more dignified than it actually is. Druid,
catch up with the rest of us, are you one of those people who tucks his
pants into his boots?
Industrial ( along with whatever the hell "industry" is ) is practically
dead. Boasting that you listen to the best of it is not very impressive
since I can count the best of it on one hand.
Long live the movement, as long as it's moving as far away from me as
possible.
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Dave Scott
Druid wrote:
>
> I simply give my opinions and then ignore the thread that follows. My
> experience with RMI is that few people are both bright enough and
> knowledgeable enough to debate Industry with me. You can listen to my
> opinions or you can ignore them. I really don't care. I'm listening to
> the best Industry out there, and just offering to show other people the
> way.
>
>
This is so precious, I think we should each have it embroidered onto a
pillow.
(excuse my hysterical laughing jag... I'll calm down in a few minutes)
-Dave-
Robb Cunningham
Thin White Duke wrote:
>
> In article <3307E6...@smartlink.net>, Robb incorrectly stated:
>
> Æ 1. a "drug" is something that causes *any* chemical reaction in your
> Æ body, not just altering you -moods- and -perceptions-. (would you
> Æ consider steroids a drug? how about speed?)
>
> HA! Your foolish post just made me laugh out loud. Surely that
> accompanied a chemical reaction in my body. Therefore, your post is a
> drug.
>
ahh, you knew what I was saying. Ok. an outside agent injested into
the body for the sole purpose of causing a chemical reaction other than
nutrition. better? the main thing I was responding to was the previous
poster's point that something must alter your moods or perceptions to be
a drug, which is bullshit
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E Loch
On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:37:30 GMT, sbe...@isomedia.com (Shane) wrote:
>og...@netaxs.com (LOgre2'3 (the bigger the head the harder they fall.))
>wrote:
>
>>dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
>>: I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
>>: disliked the VAC cd cover with pentagrams and all kinds of "we are cool, buy
>>: us" crap on it. A name like Anal Cunt seems to have it's head in the
>>: "shock/schlock" rock crowd that MM is often dropped into. Anal Cunt... MM...
>>: both sound like they are using cheese to sell records.
Wow. If only bands could use their imagined musical expertise and
artistic integrity to advance in the music industry. All the people
on RMI could be famous.
Out,
E Loch
m...@chalkhead.com
E Loch
On 18 Feb 1997 16:27:40 GMT, kil...@uiuc.edu (dbk) wrote:
>
>In article <st96e2wc-180...@kelly1-514.resnet.drexel.edu>,
>st96...@post.drexel.edu says...
>
>>I simply give my opinions and then ignore the thread that follows. My
>>experience with RMI is that few people are both bright enough and
>>knowledgeable enough to debate Industry with me. You can listen to my
>>opinions or you can ignore them. I really don't care. I'm listening to
>>the best Industry out there, and just offering to show other people the
>>way.
>>
>>Druid
You are a goofball.
Out,
E Loch
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Thin White Duke
In article <330A86...@smartlink.net>, iceo...@smartlink.net wrote:
Æ Thin White Duke wrote:
Æ >
Æ > In article <3307E6...@smartlink.net>, Robb incorrectly stated:
Æ >
Æ > Æ 1. a "drug" is something that causes *any* chemical reaction in your
Æ > Æ body, not just altering you -moods- and -perceptions-. (would you
Æ > Æ consider steroids a drug? how about speed?)
Æ >
Æ > HA! Your foolish post just made me laugh out loud. Surely that
Æ > accompanied a chemical reaction in my body. Therefore, your post is a
Æ > drug.
Æ
Æ ahh, you knew what I was saying. Ok. an outside agent injested into
Æ the body for the sole purpose of causing a chemical reaction other than
Æ nutrition. better? the main thing I was responding to was the previous
Æ poster's point that something must alter your moods or perceptions to be
Æ a drug, which is bullshit
Why does that have to be the sole purpose? I don't like cocaine; I just
like the way it smells.
Thin White Duke (bonus points to anyone who understands how appropriate
that moniker is)
(np: "Bombers" -- Bowie)
db
>Æ ahh, you knew what I was saying. Ok. an outside agent injested into
>Æ the body for the sole purpose of causing a chemical reaction other than
>Æ nutrition. better? the main thing I was responding to was the previous
>Æ poster's point that something must alter your moods or perceptions to be
>Æ a drug, which is bullshit
>
>Why does that have to be the sole purpose? I don't like cocaine; I just
>like the way it smells.
Smelling is a chemical reaction. Inhaling cocaine because you enjoy the
smell is for the sole purpose of causing a chemical reaction other than
nutrition.
On the other hand, smelling an apple pie surely cannot be considered to be an
excursion into drug abuse. Something is wrong with the definition.
db
In article <3309918c.914940@news>, m...@chalkhead.com says...
>dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
>> I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
>> disliked the VAC cd cover with pentagrams and all kinds of "we are cool, buy
>> us" crap on it. A name like Anal Cunt seems to have it's head in the
> "shock/schlock" rock crowd that MM is often dropped into. Anal Cunt... MM...
>> both sound like they are using cheese to sell records.
>
>Wow. If only bands could use their imagined musical expertise and
>artistic integrity to advance in the music industry. All the people
>on RMI could be famous.
I'm afraid that I don't understand what you are trying to get across. The
"Wow." makes me think you are disagreeing, but the second sentence sounds
solid. Well, why do you say "imagined" musical expertise? Doesn't it sound
like the ideal situation? The third sentence is definitely bizarre. What do
you mean?
Marc42
On 19 Feb 1997 16:28:55 GMT, kil...@uiuc.edu (db) wrote:
>In article <3309918c.914940@news>, m...@chalkhead.com says...
>
>>dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
>>> I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
>>> disliked the VAC cd cover with pentagrams and all kinds of "we are cool, buy
>>> us" crap on it. A name like Anal Cunt seems to have it's head in the
>> "shock/schlock" rock crowd that MM is often dropped into. Anal Cunt... MM...
>>> both sound like they are using cheese to sell records.
>>
>>Wow. If only bands could use their imagined musical expertise and
>>artistic integrity to advance in the music industry. All the people
>>on RMI could be famous.
>
> I'm afraid that I don't understand what you are trying to get across. The
>"Wow." makes me think you are disagreeing, but the second sentence sounds
>solid. Well, why do you say "imagined" musical expertise? Doesn't it sound
>like the ideal situation? The third sentence is definitely bizarre. What do
>you mean?
>
>--
> rarped
Made perfect sense to me. Read it again, but drop the "wow", and put a
comma between the other two sentences.
If you don't get it now, then you are exactly what he/she was talking
about.
;p
Marc
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Marc42
On 19 Feb 1997 16:43:28 GMT, kil...@uiuc.edu (db) wrote:
>
>>Æ ahh, you knew what I was saying. Ok. an outside agent injested into
>>Æ the body for the sole purpose of causing a chemical reaction other than
>>Æ nutrition. better? the main thing I was responding to was the previous
>>Æ poster's point that something must alter your moods or perceptions to be
>>Æ a drug, which is bullshit
>>
>>Why does that have to be the sole purpose? I don't like cocaine; I just
>>like the way it smells.
>
> Smelling is a chemical reaction. Inhaling cocaine because you enjoy the
>smell is for the sole purpose of causing a chemical reaction other than
>nutrition.
>
> On the other hand, smelling an apple pie surely cannot be considered to be an
>excursion into drug abuse. Something is wrong with the definition.
>
Something is wrong with this discussion.
Sarcasm. Look it up...
db
In article <330c8f17....@nnrp.crl.com>,
>
>On 19 Feb 1997 16:28:55 GMT, kil...@uiuc.edu (db) wrote:
>
>>In article <3309918c.914940@news>, m...@chalkhead.com says...
>>
>>>dbk (kil...@uiuc.edu) wrote:
>>>> I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
>>>> disliked the VAC cd cover with pentagrams and all kinds of "we are cool,
buy
>>>> us" crap on it. A name like Anal Cunt seems to have it's head in the
>>> "shock/schlock" rock crowd that MM is often dropped into. Anal Cunt...
MM...
>>>> both sound like they are using cheese to sell records.
>>>
>>>Wow. If only bands could use their imagined musical expertise and
>>>artistic integrity to advance in the music industry. All the people
>>>on RMI could be famous.
>>
>> I'm afraid that I don't understand what you are trying to get across. The
>>"Wow." makes me think you are disagreeing, but the second sentence sounds
>>solid. Well, why do you say "imagined" musical expertise? Doesn't it sound
>>like the ideal situation? The third sentence is definitely bizarre. What do
>>you mean?
>
>Made perfect sense to me. Read it again, but drop the "wow", and put a
>comma between the other two sentences.
>
>If you don't get it now, then you are exactly what he/she was talking
>about.
Well, the number of >'s are getting gross, but sorry... makes no sense.
Adding a comma doesn't change any of the questions I listed before. Care to
just answer them this time? By the way, thanks for using honest confusion
against me... that was about the cheapest shot I can imagine.
Ge@rhed
db wrote:
>
> In article <330c8f17....@nnrp.crl.com>,
> >> I'm afraid that I don't understand what you are trying to get across. The
> >>"Wow." makes me think you are disagreeing, but the second sentence sounds
> >>solid. Well, why do you say "imagined" musical expertise? Doesn't it sound
> >>like the ideal situation? The third sentence is definitely bizarre. What do
> >>you mean?
> >
> >Made perfect sense to me. Read it again, but drop the "wow", and put a
> >comma between the other two sentences.
> >
> >If you don't get it now, then you are exactly what he/she was talking
> >about.
>
> Well, the number of >'s are getting gross, but sorry... makes no sense.
> Adding a comma doesn't change any of the questions I listed before. Care to
> just answer them this time? By the way, thanks for using honest confusion
> against me... that was about the cheapest shot I can imagine.
Yup...cheap shots from CHEAP PRICKS!!
Ge@rhed
[Current Selection: "On The Run (LP Mix)" - BIGOD 20]
Marc42
On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 13:51:45 -0800, Kerry <kra...@scad.edu> wrote:
>Therefore, I suppose that Druid's "ego-trip" is partially justified
>because people seem more interested in putting down his ideas rather than
>listening to what he has to say.
>
I'm personally willing to listen to what anyone has to say. I actually
usually agree with Druid's points. But I sure wouldn't want to go hang
out with him.
coretex
> >>>> I think a name like "Anal Cunt" is terrible for much the same reason you
> >>>> disliked the VAC cd cover with pentagrams and all kinds of "we are cool,
Personally, I really like the name "Anal Cunt"....has a nice ring to it (no pun
intended).
I'd have to nominate "Dance or Die" as having the dumbest band name (known by the
equally stupid "Do or Die" in the U.S.). I'm really embarassed to tell people I
like a band called "Dance or Die."
Core-techs
E Loch
>On 19 Feb 1997 16:28:55 GMT, kil...@uiuc.edu (db) wrote:
>>Wow. If only bands could use their imagined musical expertise and
>>artistic integrity to advance in the music industry. All the people
>>on RMI could be famous.
>
> I'm afraid that I don't understand what you are trying to get across. The
>"Wow." makes me think you are disagreeing, but the second sentence sounds
>solid. Well, why do you say "imagined" musical expertise? Doesn't it sound
>like the ideal situation? The third sentence is definitely bizarre. What do
>you mean?
Absolute and total sarcasm.
That was the intent, hope it worked.
Out,
E Loch
m...@chalkhead.com
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Plasticity
<<Haujobb's meaning, isn't all that exciting,
isn't reflective of the band, and doesn't sound
really that cool at all. Yet they are valued as a
very talented band. They are commonly judged
by they're talent, which all bands should be
judged by, or am i terribly wrong and haujobb
sucks or something?>>
acually, haujobb is a mistranslation of "hitjob" from the german version
of Blade Runner.. if you've looked at a sample list or read an interview,
you'd know this is pretty relevent to the band..
toms...@aol.com
In article <19970227035...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, plast...@aol.com wrote:
>acually, haujobb is a mistranslation of "hitjob" from the german version
>of Blade Runner.. if you've looked at a sample list or read an interview,
>you'd know this is pretty relevent to the band..
Actually it's 'skinjob'.
--Tom
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Plasticity
Anal Cunt is SUPPOSED to be a stupid name.. just listen to their songs..
they are just a bunch of drunks fucking around.. look at their song
names.. Anal Cunt is fucking hilarious! The difference here is Velvet Acid
CHrist is supposed to acually sound "cool" or something, and it's just
stupid...
Eric Oehler
Temper Saturnine wrote:
>
> >: Also, I believe someone mentioned that they VAC suck (among other reasons)
> >: because of their dopey name...uh...last time I checked most electronic
> >: bands have dopey names...at least 75% of them do...
> >: Here's some examples (in my humble opinion):
> >: >snip<
> >
> >Most, if not all, of the band names you listed actually -mean- something.
> >In my not so humble opinion, band names should generally fit a catagory.
> >They should:
> >
> >a) mean something
> >b) be reflective of the band
> > (or)
> >c) at least fucking sound cool
>
> Haujobb's meaning, isn't all that exciting, isn't reflective of the
> band, and doesn't sound really that cool at all. Yet they are valued
> as a very talented band. They are commonly judged by they're talent,
> which all bands should be judged by, or am i terribly wrong and
> haujobb sucks or something?
>
Well, it has that blade runner thing going for it, which is sorta
indicative of their sound, sorta, and it does sound fucking cool, as
does :wumpscut: (although the colons are out of control). Everything
sounds better in German! :)
Velvet Acid Christ sounds like it should be a bad TKK knockoff. Or a
hair metal band.
<shrug>
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Robb Cunningham wrote:
>
>
> Velvet Acid Christ is probably the most terrible band name I have EVER
> heard. I think that the only reason Marilyn Manson isn't called VAC
> is because they were beat to it.
I agree it's kind of a lame band name, and it really put me off the
music at first, too, although I have to admit that the music isn't bad.
It's well-programmed and executed electro, although I certainly wouldn't
compare it to Haujobb or Mentallo as wossisname apparently has.
I think the self-aggradnizement factor just makes it too hard to take a
band, any band, seriously.
Serial.Port.Killer
Eric Oehler (wo...@itis.com) wrote:
: Velvet Acid Christ sounds like it should be a bad TKK knockoff. Or a
: hair metal band.
That's their appeal though. They're an electro Thrill Kill Kult. Their
lyrics are vacuous at best, but they have a catchy beat and entertaining
music.
As far as comparisons to hair metal bands go, just look at their picture.
=;) The only difference between the majority of goths and the majority
of glam-metal types is ten years and black instead of pastel. Both
subcultures could make a killing in Aqua-Net stock. ;)
Later...
Morgan
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And lo, Eric Oehler <wo...@itis.com> spake unto the masses saying:
>
> Well, it has that blade runner thing going for it, which is sorta
> indicative of their sound, sorta, and it does sound fucking cool, as
> does :wumpscut: (although the colons are out of control).
Ah, but what a difference they make. I look upon the colons as umlauts
that fell off. Put them back over the u's in wumpscut and suddenly Rudy's
a hair metal band (then again anything with two umlauts looks like a heavy
metal band).
> Everything sounds better in German! :)
>
> Velvet Acid Christ sounds like it should be a bad TKK knockoff. Or a
> hair metal band.
Well, there's the answer to all our problems - any of our German readers
care to tell us what Velvet Acid Christ would be in German? Probably looks
*very* industrial.
Al
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In article <5fk7l7$1...@access5.digex.net>, aw...@access5.digex.net (Al
Crawford) wrote:
> Ah, but what a difference they make. I look upon the colons as umlauts
> that fell off. Put them back over the u's in wumpscut and suddenly Rudy's
> a hair metal band (then again anything with two umlauts looks like a heavy
> metal band).
So what do you do with a band like Grotus with four umlauts? Are they a 2x
Hair Band? Or so overly heavy metal that they shift left enough to become
something different? :)
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