KISHORE KUMAR, AMIT KUMAR AND KUMAR SANU
Anand Tiwari
Sir,
What do you think Shabbir Kumar and Mohammad Aziz were?
Also please do not say that KK was not a GREAT singer. Rafi saab mahaan
the to Kishore Da bhi kuchch kam nahin the. He has his own place in playback
singing very much like Rafi Saab. If you like to compare them in lighter
vein it is O.K but in no circumstances i will SERIOUSLY accept
Rafi Saab > Kishore Da.
Also in my opinion Sochenge tumhe pyaar is a RIDICULOUS song with ridiculuos
lyrics. 1992 was the year of Udit Narayan. Who can forget Pehla Nasha
Pehla Khumaar by Udit. But even Anil Kapoor got the FF award that year
for Beta so anything is possible. ("Yeh Paisa bolta hai")
Kumar Sanu can never sing extempore. The number of times he has won the
FF award not once could he even render the song on stage in SUR improptu.
I have each and every recording of those 5 years. He sounded good in
Kuchch na kaho but listen to the Maya Memsaab song "Ik Hasin (his
pronounciation is miserable it should be haseen).
To end it Kumar Sanu sau baar janam lega aur sau baar marega to bhi
Kishore Da ke pairon ka nakhoon bhi nahin ban sakta.
regards
Anand
(Kumar sanu : Khuda Meherbaan to Gadha pahelwaan)
Ravi Krishna
I am answering to Sanjay Joshi , Neeraj and Pradeep Dubey:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Neeraj wrote:
>> 1. Almost all of the Kumar Sanu bashers are die hard KK fans.
>Just the same as a majority of Shabbir Kumar / Mohd Aziz
>bashers are certified RAFIans.
Very true , but the difference was SK and MA never achieved any success which
KS acheived. When SK and MA were singing in 80's music was rotten. Music in
90's is definitly better than the 80's stuff and KS has to be given credit for
that.
>> 2. Almost all of the KS bashers think Udit Narayan is better than
>> KS.
>> 3. Almost all of the KS bashers want Amit Kumar to come back.
>Because both Udit and Amit are perceived as better singers
>than Sanu by them.
Unfortunately no one in the film industry think that UN and AK is better
especially those connected with music. But I presume RMIM'ers have better
knowledge about music than the film industry itself.
>> Also did you notice that the film industry got a good clone of KK in
>> the form of KS , a few years after KK's death , but could not get
>> any clone of Rafi even after 15 years of his death. Shabir Kumar ,
>> Mohd. Aziz just could not create the Rafi magic wheras KS did it
>> quite easily . There lies the difference between Rafi and KK. You
>> can not get a clone of a great singer like Rafi whereas it is
>> relatively easy to get a clone of not-so-great singer like KK.
>First of all, who says that Sanu is a good clone of Kishore?
>As far as my reading on RMIM goes people lament that he *tries to
>clone* Kishore. AFAIK no one has said that he succeeds.
Who is the most prolific singer in the film industry today ?
Who has bulldozed AK and UN out of reckoning ?
Who got five consective FF awards ?
The answer to all this will tell you. If KS is not a clone of KK than please
tell me what else he is. Is he a singer with a differnent voice ?
> Secondly, personally I think Shabbir and Aziz sound a lot more
> like Rafi than Sanu ever did like Kishore. The frequent confusions on
> RMIM regarding whether a song is sung by either of these or Anwar or
> Rafi should be testimony to a more general agreement on this. I have
> to date not seen a KK song confused as a KS song or vice versa.
I too never got confused with SK/MA with Rafi.
> Thirdly, exactly what is your agenda? Are you trying to defend
> Sanu here? Or are you only using that as a pretext to claim that Rafi
> is better than KK?
I am not trying to defend KS. I am not a KS fan to defend him. However I
feel that KS bashing is unwarranted. Yes , I do believe that Rafi is better
than KK ( even though KK himself is a great singer ).
> "AK sucks big time" is only your opinion, not agreed upon by
> most of us. IMHO both UN and AK did an equally good job in that song.
It's not only my opinion but also the opinion of most of the music directors,
otherwise they would not have deserted AK in favour of KS. But again I
conclude that most of the RIMERS know better about music than MD's.
> And what does Kishore have to do anything with Amit being
> whatever kind of a singer? Why should he be a disgrace to Kishore?
I am not commenting anything about AK as a person. ( if it appeared to you
like that then I am sorry). By disgrace I mean his singing ability is just no
match to his father. Few would disagree.
>AFAIK Kishore was always proud of his son and his singing. Also please
>don't forget that Amit has been singing for close to 20 years, and for
>close to a decade he was the voice of the young college-going hero. If
>you want to realistically estimate his prowess as a singer you should
>look at songs starting even earlier than "baDe achchhe lagate hai"
>from 'Balika Bodhu', think about full movie soundtracks like 'Love
>Story', 'Teri Kasam' etc., even include later songs like "soone
>shaam-savere" from 'Khel' and then comment. And please realize that
>he has not copied his more illustrious father's voice or singing at
>any stage.
I never liked AK's singing. I too can give list of good KS songs. What do you
prove by this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sanjay Joshi wrote:-
>>2. Almost all of the KS bashers think Udit Narayan is better than KS.
>You need to remove the word "Almost".
Unfortunately few music directors will prefer UN over KS.
>>3. Almost all of the KS bashers want Amit Kumar to come back.
>You are 100% right there.
Unfortunately music directors have totally forgotten AK.
>Some of his songs are good, but he spoils the rest of them by being too
>nasal. He was OK during the "aashiqui" phase, but now his singing stinks.
That's what I said , he sings good sometimes.
>Rajesh Roshan said in some interview that when he heard KS singing in some
>party one of his song he could hardly believe that it is not KK. THat song
>was "oh yara tu jaan se .." from Kaash. RR immediately gave him a
>opportunity.
> Poor dude... didnt know what he was getting to...
Sure I will request RR to consult with you in future about singers. Who knows
he may turn out be a much wiser man after that. BTW have you listened to "Jab
koi baat ban jaya ..." from Jurm ( music RR ).
> You need to listen to it again. No one can sing with the same zest and
> gusto as Amit Kumar. Disgrace?? You are going too far pal. Imagine KS in
> that song whining away in what is supposed to be a fun song.
Fine that's your opinion.
> Amit Kumar has already had his share of success. And he doesnt need to
> depend on KS for anything.
> AK has just stopped singing on his own accord. Nothing else to prove :-)
> While KS tries and tries....
Oh yeah , it was a mere coincidence that AK voluntarly stopped singing when KS
started singing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Pradeep Dubey wrote:-
Ravi:
Your 'flame hunger' seems to be turning into 'flame addiction'.
So I think it's better to let your flame-hunger flame for a while :-)
Pradeep :
Was it necessary to make a personal attack ? And RMIM'ers tell me that I make
unneccsarly personal attack.
You have conveniently avoided discussing the issue about KS , AK and KK. Very
much like KK use to conveniently avoid singing any classical song which
required REAL ABILITY. Isn't it.
Ashish Bokil
On 29 Aug 1996 and prior to that, Ravi Krishna dumped:
- and i snipped, except for some of them - ... please understand that my
questions here are absolutely innocent given my limited imagination ...
> Very true , but the difference was SK and MA never achieved any success which
> KS acheived. When SK and MA were singing in 80's music was rotten. Music in
> 90's is definitly better than the 80's stuff and KS has to be given credit for
> that. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^
(for the uninitiated, SK = Reverent Shabbir Kumar
& MA = MAle nightingale Mohammed Aziz "MunnA" )
and this holds water because ....... ???? :*| >*| ????
> >> 2. Almost all of the KS bashers think Udit Narayan is better than
> >> KS.
> >> 3. Almost all of the KS bashers want Amit Kumar to come back.
and these statements say something for KS because ..... ???? :*| >*| ????
> Unfortunately no one in the film industry think that UN and AK is better
> especially those connected with music. But I presume RMIM'ers have better
> knowledge about music than the film industry itself.
and the first sentence above holds any water because ..... ???? :*| >*| ????
[the second sentence, if my guess is correct, is meant to be sarcastic,
right??? .... jes' checkin' ....]
> >> relatively easy to get a clone of not-so-great singer like KK.
i will pass this, it just does not belong here .....
then you mentioned ...
> Who is the most prolific singer in the film industry today ?
> Who has bulldozed AK and UN out of reckoning ?
> Who got five consective FF awards ?
>
> The answer to all this will tell you. If KS is not a clone of KK than please
> tell me what else he is. Is he a singer with a differnent voice ?
and the answer to all these questions proves that KS is a better singer
than any of AK or UN because .... ????? :*| >*| ...???!?!?!?
> I am not trying to defend KS. I am not a KS fan to defend him.
> Yes , I do believe that Rafi is better
> than KK ( even though KK himself is a great singer ).
OHHH!!!! now i understand ... , you are trying to say that Rafi > KK
because KS is the answer to all these following questions !!!
> Who is the most prolific singer in the film industry today ?
> Who has bulldozed AK and UN out of reckoning ?
> Who got five consective FF awards ?
>
Ahhhhhh ..... now i understand ... !!!!!!!!!!! .. finally .. *phew* ...
WOW !!! .... now it all suddenly makes sense ... its all so true ...
> It's not only my opinion but also the opinion of most of the music directors,
> otherwise they would not have deserted AK in favour of KS. But again I
> conclude that most of the RIMERS know better about music than MD's.
YEAH!!! ... EXACTLY ... see ... obviously because Rafi > KK and AK < KS,
RMIMERS definitely do not know better about music than MD's. I always
knew you would be able to get it all connected at the end even though it
all sounds kinda disjointed in the beginning ...
> I am not commenting anything about AK as a person. ( if it appeared to you
> like that then I am sorry). By disgrace I mean his singing ability is just no
> match to his father. Few would disagree.
How true !!!! ... i mean everyone's abilities should match up to their
father otherwise they are disgrace to their fathers ... and i am one
hundred percent with you on that .......!!! ...
> I never liked AK's singing. I too can give list of good KS songs. What do you
> prove by this.
yeah! .... i mean how the hell can anyone prove anything by giving a list
of good songs of that person ... i mean how can the fact that a person
has sung 50 (just for an example ... people, don't come grabbing my neck
for it) songs well ... mean anything at all?????? ..... oh! ... did you
say "good songs of AK/KS" or "songs sung well by AK/KS" ??? ... see they
could mean different won't they? ... good songs as in "hit songs" or good
songs as in "sung well" ??? .... or they wouldn't really mean anything? ...
> Unfortunately few music directors will prefer UN over KS.
*saashtaang namaskaar* .... now folks! ... refute this ... go talk to
the current music (mi suc) directors to refute this ... if you cannot,
then better agree with this .... 'cuz i know that this is a fact ... !!
> >>3. Almost all of the KS bashers want Amit Kumar to come back.
see .... doesn't that automatically prove that all AK fans are just being
jealous and unreasonable ... i mean totally illogical fanaticism on AK
fans part ....
> >Rajesh Roshan said in some interview that when he heard KS singing in some
> >party one of his song he could hardly believe that it is not KK. THat song
> >was "oh yara tu jaan se .." from Kaash. RR immediately gave him a
> >opportunity.
> Sure I will request RR to consult with you in future about singers. Who knows
> he may turn out be a much wiser man after that. BTW have you listened to "Jab
> koi baat ban jaya ..." from Jurm ( music RR ).
There you go ... !!!! one hundred percent with you ... Oh and, is this the
same RR who had MA sing all the awsssome (my favourite songs) in khudgarz
and "bahar aane tak" ?? ... btw, have you guys (those guys whom Ravi is
addressing) also listened to ... "baat ban jaaye ..." ( Music Biddu ) ..
what do you mean what does it prove ... ?? ... it automatically proves
everything that has been said all along .... Rafi > KK and AK < KS ...
and if you don't agree ... here is what ravi has to say to all of you ...
> Fine that's your opinion.
so there ....
> Pradeep,
>
> You have conveniently avoided discussing the issue about KS , AK and KK. Very
> much like KK use to conveniently avoid singing any classical song which
> required REAL ABILITY. Isn't it.
>
yeah! ... Pradeep, this proves everything Finally ... !!!!! .. AK & UN < KS
because KK avoided singing any classical song ... !!! ... do you have
*anything absolutely at all* to say after this ???? .... I mean is there
any scope left to say anything more after this ... this is conclusive
proof of KS's REAL ABILITY ....
if you still don't agree, [i know lists of good songs don't prove
anything] then listen to that "hennn hennn" before "sochenge tumhen pyaar
kare ke naheennn ..." ... and then listen to amit kumar singing the
horribly riddiculously pathetically sung song [i wonder how lata agreed to
sing with him then] "uthhey sabke kadam ...." ( Music RR ) .... and then
listen to udit narayan singing the disgusting "ghar se nikalte hi ..."
( Music RR ) ....
oh! btw, Ravi, you should seriously consider a hike in Smokies ... I am
sure having to read all the junk that these people dish out must've
made you lose your cool by now ... i mean this will happen to any
person with slightest amount of sanity ... Smokies is the place where
there is some peace and sensibility ... i mean having to live with people
with such gross opinions ... Tchah .... !! ...
peace out ! ...
ashish
Ravi Krishna
Anand Tiwari (an...@cegt201.bradley.edu) wrote:
: Sir,
: What do you think Shabbir Kumar and Mohammad Aziz were?
They were pathetic clones of Rafi and could not achieve the success of KS.
Period.
: Also please do not say that KK was not a GREAT singer. Rafi saab mahaan
: the to Kishore Da bhi kuchch kam nahin the. He has his own place in playback
: singing very much like Rafi Saab. If you like to compare them in lighter
: vein it is O.K but in no circumstances i will SERIOUSLY accept
: Rafi Saab > Kishore Da.
I am sorry to offend you. I like KK songs as much as Rafi songs and both of
them were great , but I will never accept KK > Rafi.
: Also in my opinion Sochenge tumhe pyaar is a RIDICULOUS song with ridiculuos
: lyrics. 1992 was the year of Udit Narayan. Who can forget Pehla Nasha
: Pehla Khumaar by Udit. But even Anil Kapoor got the FF award that year
: for Beta so anything is possible. ("Yeh Paisa bolta hai")
Fine , that's your opinion. BTW KS got filmfare award for that song and I
think UN lost it. In fact UN lost to KS five times in a row ( 1990 - 1995).
Only this year's FF award he got it for the first time.
: Kumar Sanu can never sing extempore. The number of times he has won the
: FF award not once could he even render the song on stage in SUR improptu.
: I have each and every recording of those 5 years. He sounded good in
: Kuchch na kaho but listen to the Maya Memsaab song "Ik Hasin (his
: pronounciation is miserable it should be haseen).
You are correct about his pronounciation. KS does pronounce badly sometimes.
But I am talking about his singing ability not his pronounciation.
: To end it Kumar Sanu sau baar janam lega aur sau baar marega to bhi
: Kishore Da ke pairon ka nakhoon bhi nahin ban sakta.
Unfortunately the phenominal success of KS blows away your statement.
--
S. Ravi Krishna
Chetan
In article <502u5v$4...@cegt201.bradley.edu>,
an...@cegt201.bradley.edu (Anand Tiwari) wrote:
>If you like to compare them in lighter
>vein it is O.K but in no circumstances i will SERIOUSLY accept
>Rafi Saab > Kishore Da.
Then would you accept the reverse ? Or a weaker version of it ?
such as KK >= Rafi ? Note that if you fail to answer this question, you will
be arbitrarily placed in one of two trash cans. One is marked as "KKKlan"
and the other "Rafians".
:)
>To end it Kumar Sanu sau baar janam lega aur sau baar marega to bhi
>Kishore Da ke pairon ka nakhoon bhi nahin ban sakta.
Please feel free to share any incident(s) that might illustrate that KK's
toenail was suriilaa !
C
Vijay Sundararajan
In article <50766b$8...@clarknet.clark.net>, Chetan <cvin...@telogy.com> wrote:
>In article <502u5v$4...@cegt201.bradley.edu>,
> an...@cegt201.bradley.edu (Anand Tiwari) wrote:
>
>>If you like to compare them in lighter
>>vein it is O.K but in no circumstances i will SERIOUSLY accept
>>Rafi Saab > Kishore Da.
>
>Then would you accept the reverse ? Or a weaker version of it ?
>such as KK >= Rafi ? Note that if you fail to answer this question, you will
>be arbitrarily placed in one of two trash cans. One is marked as "KKKlan"
>and the other "Rafians".
>:)
><=:)
That doesn't cover trichotomy becos the mukkus are also there, he might
after all be a mukku who rules out Rafi by KK !< Rafi, then assumes an
axiom that Mukesh > KK.
>
>>To end it Kumar Sanu sau baar janam lega aur sau baar marega to bhi
>>Kishore Da ke pairon ka nakhoon bhi nahin ban sakta.
>
>Please feel free to share any incident(s) that might illustrate that KK's
>toenail was suriilaa !
How dare you talk about his toenail, do you know anything about him
to talk so in a public forum.
-Vijay
>
>C
Ravi Krishna
>> Ravi Krishna wrote:-
> Ashish Bokil wrote:-
>> Who is the most prolific singer in the film industry today ?
>> Who has bulldozed AK and UN out of reckoning ?
>> Who got five consective FF awards ?
>>The answer to all this will tell you.If KS is not a clone of KK than please
>>tell me what else he is. Is he a singer with a differnent voice ?
> and the answer to all these questions proves that KS is a better singer
> than any of AK or UN because .... ????? :*| >*| ...???!?!?!?
Yes , KS is a better singer than AK / UN . If awards / popularity / success
is not any indicator of this then I would like to enlighten by you what else
is. How did most of the RMIM'ers arrive at a conclusion that KS sucks and UN
and AK is better. If it is only a personal choice then fine,the trouble comes
only when RMIM gets spammed by post like this:-
- KS sucks.
- KS is a horrible singer , bring back AK and UN.
- KK and AK are the greatest.
and so on.
>>I am not commenting anything about AK as a person. ( if it appeared to you
>>like that then I am sorry). By disgrace I mean his singing ability isjustno
>>match to his father. Few would disagree.
>How true !!!! ... i mean everyone's abilities should match up to their
>father otherwise they are disgrace to their fathers ... and i am one
>hundred percent with you on that .......!!! ...
I referred 'disgrace' in the context of AK's singing ability vis-a-vis KK.
Nothing personal.
>yeah! .... i mean how the hell can anyone prove anything by giving a list
>of good songs of that person ... i mean how can the fact that a person
>has sung 50 (just for an example ... people, don't come grabbing my neck
>for it) songs well ... mean anything at all?????? ..... oh! ... did you
>say "good songs of AK/KS" or "songs sung well by AK/KS" ??? ... see they
>could mean different won't they? ... good songs as in "hit songs" or good
>songs as in "sung well" ??? .... or they wouldn't really mean anything? ...
I meant "good songs" as "songs sung well" only. They do mean different but
in the context of the subject they can be used interchangebly.
>>Unfortunately few music directors will prefer UN over KS.
>*saashtaang namaskaar* .... now folks! ... refute this ... go talk to
>the current music (mi suc) directors to refute this ... if you cannot,
>then better agree with this .... 'cuz i know that this is a fact ... !!
Aushman bhav, sada suhki raho !!. MD's should always read RMIM before
deciding which singer to select for a song. Since so far they were not doing
this they gave maximum opportunity to KS. Poor RDB , if only he had listened
to you and other RMIM'ers he would have selected AK and UN for 1942 ALS.
>There you go ... !!!! one hundred percent with you ... Oh and, is this the
>same RR who had MA sing all the awsssome (my favourite songs) in khudgarz
>and "bahar aane tak" ?? ... btw, have you guys (those guys whom Ravi is
I was reacting to someone's statement that RR made a big mistake in giving
opportunity to KS , which obviously has been proved to be incorrect.
The fact is that KS is the most popular and successful singer today. UN even
though has been around for 16 years is beggining to make a mark only now.
Still he is far from dislogding KS from the top. As for AK , he is as good as
finished. He was doing very well till KS came and sent him packing.
Unless you insist on being blind you can't disprove any of the above.
Regarding Rafi vs KK , well they both were great singers with lot of good
songs. Some prefer Rafi over KK and others vice-versa. I belong to the Rafi
group and I do believe that Rafi was a better singer than KK. However that
does not mean that I will not listen to any KK song. Yes it is also true
that we are still waiting for a singer of Rafi's calibre. On the other hand
KS phenomenal success ( backed by his better-than-avg ability) does prove the
music loving public has accepted KS as a OK clone of KK. In no way I
suggested that KS = KK.
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.96082...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu> Ashish Bokil <ash...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
>On 29 Aug 1996 and prior to that, Ravi Krishna dumped:
>
>same RR who had MA sing all the awsssome (my favourite songs) in khudgarz
>and "bahar aane tak" ?? ... btw, have you guys (those guys whom Ravi is
Didn't Rajesh Roshan use MANGAL SINGH for "Bahaar Aane Tak"?
The only other thing I want to add is that, TO ME, Kishore Ki Yaaden in
the voice of Kumar Sanu is more tolerable than Ek Shaam Rafi Ke Naam in
Mohd. Aziz's or Shabbir Kumar's voice - if you ever get a chance, listen
to MA's renditions of "Aapke Haseen Rukh" or "Laakhon Hain Nigaah Men"
from "O.P. Nayyar Night in Dubai" (just for a BRIEF BIT :-) :-) :-))
BTW, the beginning of "Sochenge Tumhe Pyaar" IS pretty funny (i.e. Hen
Henn...)
Sanjeev
Pradeep Dubey
In article <506qik$m...@cnn.Princeton.EDU>, sanj...@phoenix.princeton.edu (Sanjeev Ramabhadran) writes:
|> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.96082...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu> Ashish Bokil <ash...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
|> >
|> >same RR who had MA sing all the awsssome (my favourite songs) in khudgarz
|> >and "bahar aane tak" ?? ... btw, have you guys (those guys whom Ravi is
|>
|>
|> The only other thing I want to add is that, TO ME, Kishore Ki Yaaden in
I am glad you put those in caps.
|> the voice of Kumar Sanu is more tolerable than Ek Shaam Rafi Ke Naam in
|> Mohd. Aziz's or Shabbir Kumar's voice - if you ever get a chance, listen
|> to MA's renditions of "Aapke Haseen Rukh" or "Laakhon Hain Nigaah Men"
|> from "O.P. Nayyar Night in Dubai" (just for a BRIEF BIT :-) :-) :-))
|>
|> BTW, the beginning of "Sochenge Tumhe Pyaar" IS pretty funny (i.e. Hen
|> Henn...)
|>
I am also glad you pointed out this song. Everytime I hear the "hennnnn hennnnn"
starting, I get the nails-scratched-on-walls feeling. If I had not
seen KS, I will be willing to bet he is a singer with no neck :-)
Pradeep
|>
|>
|>
|>
|> Sanjeev
|>
|>
Joey Thykkuttathil
Ravi Krishna wrote:
>
> >> Ravi Krishna wrote:-
> > Ashish Bokil wrote:-
>
> >> Who has bulldozed AK and UN out of reckoning ?
> >> Who got five consective FF awards ?
>
> >>tell me what else he is. Is he a singer with a differnent voice ?
>
> > than any of AK or UN because .... ????? :*| >*| ...???!?!?!?
>
> Yes , KS is a better singer than AK / UN . If awards / popularity / success
> is not any indicator of this then I would like to enlighten by you what else
> is. How did most of the RMIM'ers arrive at a conclusion that KS sucks and UN
> and AK is better. If it is only a personal choice then fine,the trouble comes
> only when RMIM gets spammed by post like this:-
>
> - KS sucks.
> - KS is a horrible singer , bring back AK and UN.
> - KK and AK are the greatest.
> and so on.
>
> >>like that then I am sorry). By disgrace I mean his singing ability isjustno
> >>match to his father. Few would disagree.
> >father otherwise they are disgrace to their fathers ... and i am one
> >hundred percent with you on that .......!!! ...
>
> I referred 'disgrace' in the context of AK's singing ability vis-a-vis KK.
> Nothing personal.
>
> >yeah! .... i mean how the hell can anyone prove anything by giving a list
> >of good songs of that person ... i mean how can the fact that a person
> >has sung 50 (just for an example ... people, don't come grabbing my neck
> >for it) songs well ... mean anything at all?????? ..... oh! ... did you
> >say "good songs of AK/KS" or "songs sung well by AK/KS" ??? ... see they
> >could mean different won't they? ... good songs as in "hit songs" or good
> >songs as in "sung well" ??? .... or they wouldn't really mean anything? ...
>
> I meant "good songs" as "songs sung well" only. They do mean different but
> in the context of the subject they can be used interchangebly.
>
> >the current music (mi suc) directors to refute this ... if you cannot,
> >then better agree with this .... 'cuz i know that this is a fact ... !!
>
> Aushman bhav, sada suhki raho !!. MD's should always read RMIM before
> deciding which singer to select for a song. Since so far they were not doing
> this they gave maximum opportunity to KS. Poor RDB , if only he had listened
> to you and other RMIM'ers he would have selected AK and UN for 1942 ALS.
>
> >same RR who had MA sing all the awsssome (my favourite songs) in khudgarz
> >and "bahar aane tak" ?? ... btw, have you guys (those guys whom Ravi is
>
> opportunity to KS , which obviously has been proved to be incorrect.
>
> The fact is that KS is the most popular and successful singer today. UN even
> though has been around for 16 years is beggining to make a mark only now.
> Still he is far from dislogding KS from the top. As for AK , he is as good as
> finished. He was doing very well till KS came and sent him packing.
> Unless you insist on being blind you can't disprove any of the above.
>
> Regarding Rafi vs KK , well they both were great singers with lot of good
> songs. Some prefer Rafi over KK and others vice-versa. I belong to the Rafi
> group and I do believe that Rafi was a better singer than KK. However that
> does not mean that I will not listen to any KK song. Yes it is also true
> that we are still waiting for a singer of Rafi's calibre. On the other hand
> KS phenomenal success ( backed by his better-than-avg ability) does prove the
> music loving public has accepted KS as a OK clone of KK. In no way I
> suggested that KS = KK.
Hi Guys, it looks like a war? Don't take it too peraonal.
Here is where I come form. I have watched the music scence change form
the early '50s. The artists like Ashok Kumar, Shayam, KL Saigal,Uma
Devi, Suraiya and others did their own acting and singing. The rest of
the world, in the Musicals the actors did their own singing. In India,
where the movies are everything, protraying life in total - singing
dancing, court room drama, general hospital, fights, war and all of it
encapsuled into a three hour time frame, with the demand grwoing, they
could not find enough actor/singers and thus the new playback singer
industry.
I saw the Talat, Rafi, Mukesh, Manna Dey, Hemant Kumar, Kishore Kumar era
start and the singers were poised to be someone's voice. But then there
are producers, politics, and regionalism. There were other singers like
Subir Sen got a few chances. Mahendra Kapoor was pluged in by Naushad to
do some Rafi Songs. Most new singers wanted to sound like one of the
others. Talat had that gazal crooning voice, Hemant had the deep voice,
Mukesh had the soft nasal voice (similar to KLS), Manna Day had the
smooth classical voice, and Kishore Kumar could yodle. Most of the Hindi
songs were handled by these people. Then a pattern started to emerge.
Kishore Kumar became the voice for Dev Anand, Mukesh became the voice for
Raj Kapoor (Manna Dey has also playbacked for RK in many movies - In
M-N-J 'hai bhai' Manna Day Sang it and in a live show RK snag it and it
sounded the same - and I don't know why Manna Dey was not given more
chances). I heard that Rafi could tailor songs for the singer and he
sang for everybody. Kishore Kumar then became the voice for Rajesh
Khanna.
Now it is a different story. Most of the old singers are dead and new
singers are positioning themselves into their pole places in the new era
for the race for #1. The new corp of singers are going through the same
or similar problems that the olders ones went through. Now there are,
more singers, more movies, and more requirements. It is a matter of
survival of the fittest. Do you think that definition of the "fit" is
the same as before? I think it is different.
The only thing I would like to say about the new era is that, no one
really knows what the new crop of singers really sound like. The old era
with the limited sound processing, the singer needed to have polished
skills to survive. What would happen to KS, AK, UN and others if someone
reset the sound system to flat eq.? We will never know, unless someone
can hear them live, singing at home with no sound eqpt.
As for the New Rafi Sound, there were several ,Shabir Kumar, M. Aziz,
Vipin Sachdeva, Debashish Das Gupta and now there is "Sonu Nigam" who
sounds like Rafi Sahib and any other.
This is my request to the new corp of singers, "please keep the good
songs coming! We in the US,looking for desi songs, will take you any way
you come, regardless of the style and accent ot what ever, and don't pay
any attention to the RMIM bablings"
regards
joey
Kuntal Shah
>>>>> "Ashish" == Ashish Bokil <ash...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
Ashish> There you go ... !!!! one hundred percent with you ... Oh
Ashish> and, is this the same RR who had MA sing all the awsssome
Ashish> (my favourite songs) in khudgarz and "bahar aane tak" ??
Which songs from these movies are your favourites ?
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> Sir,
>
> What do you think Shabbir Kumar and Mohammad Aziz were?
> the to Kishore Da bhi kuchch kam nahin the. He has his own place in playback
> Rafi Saab > Kishore Da.
>
> lyrics. 1992 was the year of Udit Narayan. Who can forget Pehla Nasha
> Pehla Khumaar by Udit. But even Anil Kapoor got the FF award that year
> for Beta so anything is possible. ("Yeh Paisa bolta hai")
>
> FF award not once could he even render the song on stage in SUR improptu.
> I have each and every recording of those 5 years. He sounded good in
> Kuchch na kaho but listen to the Maya Memsaab song "Ik Hasin (his
> pronounciation is miserable it should be haseen).
>
> Kishore Da ke pairon ka nakhoon bhi nahin ban sakta.
>
> Anand
> (Kumar sanu : Khuda Meherbaan to Gadha pahelwaan)
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The manly bass and depth of Kishoreda is leagues ahead of that of Sanu. It is unfortunate that he passed away early because of which this pathetic version singer Sanu got an opportunity. This was pure luck for Sanu that he entered the industry at that opportune moment.
Had Kishored not passed away, Sanu would have been a chorus singer or at the most an orchestra singer in a night club.
just listen to “Zindagi ke Safar mein guzar jaate hain jo makam“ from the movie Aap Ki Kasam. And then listen to Sanu’s version of this song. It’ll take Sanu millions of births to even reach the toe nails of Kishoreda.
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Pankaj Jangid
> Kishoreda was a rainbow with much more than seven shades. Kumar Sanu
> copies only one shade of his throughout. Moreover, Kumar Sanu bleats
> like a goat. His voice appears similar in all his songs because of his
> lack of versatility. When Kishoreda takes his voice to a higher pitch,
> there is no deterioration in the quality of his voice whereas Sanu’s
> voice becomes thin at a high pitch.
>
easy to do so. Versatility of Kishore Da was difficult to copy in
full. So true.
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Pankaj
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