yearly songs by singers
surjit singh
I created the following table for my own amusement.
I am posting it with the hope that you might be
interested in such things too.
The columns are year, songs sung by the singer
in that year by the singer name.
I stopped at 1989 because I do not have lata's info after that.
I included only the songs from released Hindi/Urdu films, because
that is where the most reliable info is available, thanks mainly to
Dr. Har Mandir Singh. The list is based on the 6 geet koshes for
individual singers that I bought.
Don't be too excited if the difference is less than 5%.
Asha Lata Rafi Kishor Mukesh Talat
1941 3
1942 2
1943
1944 3 1
1945 2 10 8 2
1946 5 38 7
1947 1 5 21 21 1
1948 4 54 45 2 40
1949 17 161 125 6 30 8
1950 41 147 92 15 36 25
1951 66 225 73 10 22 25
1952 89 173 80 26 6 54
1953 140 187 82 21 10 49
1954 239 176 104 23 6 65
1955 318 220 172 14 8 50
1956 297 204 142 35 7 30
1957 216 162 189 16 7 22
1958 304 133 173 23 11 16
1959 206 209 183 15 37 5
1960 202 169 220 20 56 8
1961 154 159 159 16 63 27
1962 156 133 150 24 38 7
1963 168 111 178 5 30 3
1964 154 138 204 20 27 10
1965 165 92 158 19 26 1
1966 190 134 172 9 22 4
1967 139 108 140 16 37 2
1968 124 84 114 23 26 1
1969 163 99 194 26 22 2
1970 183 126 131 53 38
1971 202 133 131 99 29 1
1972 204 153 95 138 23 1
1973 219 137 80 147 24
1974 175 109 83 138 25
1975 168 92 68 105 28
1976 132 101 67 106 22
1977 199 98 101 157 20
1978 144 91 91 136 12 2
1979 127 66 84 79
1980 186 74 103 128 1
1981 206 91 65 166 3
1982 203 84 37 135 4
1983 200 77 14 141
1984 215 68 16 153
1985 187 76 5 149 1
1986 156 40 15 113 1
1987 122 19 4 78
1988 132 39 5 73
1989 124 32 1 32
sum 7,037 4,996 4,417 2,710 838 423
Draw your own conclusions.
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
ajit
Vijay Kumar K
> Hi RMIMers:
>
> I created the following table for my own amusement.
> I am posting it with the hope that you might be
> interested in such things too.
>
> The columns are year, songs sung by the singer
> in that year by the singer name.
>
> I stopped at 1989 because I do not have lata's info after that.
> I included only the songs from released Hindi/Urdu films, because
> that is where the most reliable info is available, thanks mainly to
> Dr. Har Mandir Singh. The list is based on the 6 geet koshes for
> individual singers that I bought.
>
> Don't be too excited if the difference is less than 5%.
>
> Asha Lata Rafi Kishor Mukesh Talat
>
>
> 1986 156 40 15 113 1
>
>
>
First, it removes any illusions I had that Talat was the #1 between 1950 & 60.
At no time was he the #1 (in terms of sheer numbers. In terms of quality, he
always will be #1 :-)
Second, I thought Talat has about 700+ recorded songs. Does that include non-
film songs? The corresponding number for Mukesh was 900+, IIRC.
Third, What are the Talat songs in 1985/86? Are those mere shariiq-e-safar ab
teraa Khudaa haafiz (Chitragupt, ???) & rahegaa jahaa.N me.n teraa naam
(Naushad, Love & God) Just wanted to confirm that Love & God is being counted as
a 1986 film.
Finally, and somewhat unrelated, can someone confirm that it is Mukesh who is
the singer for some of the uncredited songs in Neelkamal (Raj Kapoor's debut)
with music by Snehal Bhatkar? What does the Mukesh Geet Kosh say about that?
HFGK does not credit Mukesh for the songs, IIRC.
Vijay
Suresh
> At no time was he the #1 (in terms of sheer numbers. In terms of quality, he
> always will be #1 :-)
>
I dont think you need take the trouble of removing your so-called
illusions.
I would still very much rate Talat as the #1 - 1951 to 1955 DEFINITELY
(THE finest years of film music IMHO), and one of the top singers till
1960. Whats most interesting about the Talat stats is the year 1953 -
when looking at the best songs, one would tend to find Talat at almost
every nook and corner. And yet his output for that year is only 49 !!
Amazing really. Clearly underlines that it is ONLY quality that
propels you !!
Another very interesting study. Look at the comparative trend between
Talat and Mukesh. Inverse completely. Talat's ascent in the 1951 marks
the start of the downslide of Mukesh - and the start of Talat's
descent in 1958-59 marks the re-establishment of Mukesh's career.
Asha and Rafi have a consistently high output through the decade (I
have been looking only at the 50s - pardon me for that) - though I
wonder how many of them would fit the QUALITY bill ;-)
Another fairly surprising feature is Lata's high output - I had
thought Lata to be in the Talat category of being very choosy - but I
guess she had a much wider spread than Talat.
> Second, I thought Talat has about 700+ recorded songs. Does that include non-
> film songs? The corresponding number for Mukesh was 900+, IIRC.
As per the list of songs published on the Talat web-site, the break up
is :
Film (Solos) - 231
Film (Duets) - 218
Non-Film (geets and ghazals) - 165
Comes to a total of 614 songs.
Cheers,
Suresh
Ket...@att.net
surjit...@yahoo.com says...
> Asha Lata
>sum 7,037 4,996
>Draw your own conclusions.
Lata was given songs only if Asha was too expensive or unavailable. :)
Ketan
Srinivas Ganti
>surjit singh <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Asha Lata Rafi Kishor Mukesh Talat
>
>7,037 4,996 4,417 2,710 838 423
That was great!! If I have to make a wild guess
I think Geeta, and Mannadey's numbers will be close
to Mukesh.Hemant's wud be below Talat.
Geeta Dutt must have been very prolific in the late 40's
till early-mid 50's and i guess the drop wud be even
more dramatic than Talat !
Mannada was probably never prolific but the no. of years
may become vital.
Coming to Ajit's question on Suman, I will put her
below Talat. I wud put Mahendra Kapoor in between
Mukesh & Talat.
sg.
Pradeep Dubey
>
> I created the following table for my own amusement.
> I am posting it with the hope that you might be
> interested in such things too.
>
> Asha Lata Rafi Kishor Mukesh Talat
>
> sum 7,037 4,996 4,417 2,710 838 423
>
> Draw your own conclusions.
>
Conclusion:
If Kishore had not given away those 3 songs to Rafi, we could have
claimed even mathematically that "Kishore was the PRIME singer during
this period" :-)
Pradeep
Suresh
> till early-mid 50's and i guess the drop wud be even
> more dramatic than Talat !
Do you think so ? I doubt it. I mean, there is always room for those
songs on insignificant actors or situations which singers like Geeta,
Asha and Shamshad used to fill then. I would think Geeta's
quantitative output to be higher than Talat's right upto the early
60s.
>
> Mannada was probably never prolific but the no. of years
> may become vital.
Agreed. Again Mannada's should be more or less a near-constant number.
Dont think he had too many variations...
Suresh
surjit singh
> surjit...@yahoo.com (surjit singh) wrote in message news:<37eb6192.02070...@posting.google.com>...
> > Hi RMIMers:
> >
> > I created the following table for my own amusement.
> > I am posting it with the hope that you might be
> > interested in such things too.
> >
> > The columns are year, songs sung by the singer
> > in that year by the singer name.
> >
> > I stopped at 1989 because I do not have lata's info after that.
> > I included only the songs from released Hindi/Urdu films, because
> > that is where the most reliable info is available, thanks mainly to
> > Dr. Har Mandir Singh. The list is based on the 6 geet koshes for
> > individual singers that I bought.
> >
> > Don't be too excited if the difference is less than 5%.
> >
> > Asha Lata Rafi Kishor Mukesh Talat
> >
> > 1985 187 76 5 149 1
> >
> > 1986 156 40 15 113 1
> >
> >
> > sum 7,037 4,996 4,417 2,710 838 423
> >
> Thanks for that.
>
> First, it removes any illusions I had that Talat was the #1 between 1950 & 60.
> At no time was he the #1 (in terms of sheer numbers. In terms of quality, he
> always will be #1 :-)
>
> Second, I thought Talat has about 700+ recorded songs. Does that include non-
> film songs? The corresponding number for Mukesh was 900+, IIRC.
Hi Vijay Kumar Saigalwallah:
I did not include songs other than HIndi/Urdu Films.
>
> Third, What are the Talat songs in 1985/86? Are those mere shariiq-e-safar ab
> teraa Khudaa haafiz (Chitragupt, ???) & rahegaa jahaa.N me.n teraa naam
> (Naushad, Love & God) Just wanted to confirm that Love & God is being counted as
> a 1986 film.
Correct on both counts.
>
> Finally, and somewhat unrelated, can someone confirm that it is Mukesh who is
> the singer for some of the uncredited songs in Neelkamal (Raj Kapoor's debut)
> with music by Snehal Bhatkar? What does the Mukesh Geet Kosh say about that?
> HFGK does not credit Mukesh for the songs, IIRC.
Bible part II does not list the singers for just one song #8,
aa.Nkh jo dekhe hai
Mukesh Geet Kosh agrees with bible II (i.e. does not have it).
On watching the movie, I wrote down
Mukesh and 2 females.
Will try to confirm with Dr. Har Mandir Singh.
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
>
> Vijay
ajit
Ketan :-) :-)
No no no no no.
The conclusion to be drawn is this:
The elder sister troubled and tormented the poor younger one so much
that she (the younger one) was left without any songs at all. Actually
the younger one was (obviously) the initial choice for all the songs,
but as a stroke of our ill-luck the elder one swallowed all of those.
May such a tragedy not befall even an enemy, as the one that befell
the younger lady :-)
surjit singh
> How many songs has Suman sung so far?
Since Suman Giit Kosh has not been published yet
and I am not enough of a fan of Suman to count the songs from the bible,
I can't say.
I strongly urge Suman fans to work on and publish Suman Geet Kosh.
Ket...@att.net
ajit...@hotmail.com says...
>No no no no no.
>The conclusion to be drawn is this:
>The elder sister troubled and tormented the poor younger one so much
>that she (the younger one) was left without any songs at all. Actually
>the younger one was (obviously) the initial choice for all the songs,
>but as a stroke of our ill-luck the elder one swallowed all of those.
>May such a tragedy not befall even an enemy, as the one that befell
>the younger lady :-)
In the above para, I take it you are citing the "Ay mere watan ke logon"
incident, with regards to Lata stealing it away from Asha right? I would not go
so far as to call Lata a tormentor, but hey, you have every right to call her
what you wish. Let me not stop you.
Ketan
ajit
Sarcasm, I guess, isn't always understood. Thats the irony. :-)
>
>
> Ketan
Surajit A. Bose
surjit...@yahoo.com (surjit singh) wrote:
>
> Hi Vijay Kumar Saigalwallah:
>
okay, now I'm confused. I thought Vijay Kumar K was Vijay Kumar
ISBwallah and vijaykuma_r was Vijay Kumar Saigalwallah.
Two additional wrinkles: (1) of course the Vijay Kumar ISBwallah is also
a huge Saigal fan and (2) There's also a Vijay Kumar ALUPwallah who may
or may not be the same as Vijay Kumar Saigalwallah.
Could one or more of the Vijay Kumars please clarify?
-s
Abhay Jain
Considering the chart busting popularity of Lata songs, Asha
must have sung considerable number of "duds" in terms of popularity.
Abhay Jain
"surjit singh" <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37eb6192.02070...@posting.google.com...
naniwadekar
surjit singh <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote -
>
> Hi RMIMers:
>
> I created the following table for my own amusement.
>
>
> 1951 - 22
> 1952 - 6
> 1953 - 10
> 1954 - 6
> 1955 - 8
> 1956 - 7
> 1957 - 7
> 1958 - 11
> 1959 - 37
>
Hands up all of you who are not surprised that Mukesh sang
no more than 11 songs in any year during a seven year stretch
in the 1950s. The decade 1946-1955 produced music which
Mukesh would be expected to thrive on. His voice was ideal
for slow-moving songs. Yet we see an abrupt drop in his
output after 1951. It is such a pity. What were Roshan, Anilda
and SJ (who were not exactly known for slow music but used
Mukesh very often) doing?
I ran my eye over all 1954 films in Geet Kosh to see which
songs Mukesh sang that year. Of his 6 songs, four are for
Hansraj Behl. Even C H Atma has more songs on one Geet
Kosh page alone, for chrissakes. Madhubala Jhaveri must have
sung 15-20 songs that year. What was going on with Roshan
and SJ !?!? One explanation, by way of wild guess, could be
that he nursed an ambition to become MD himself and other
MDs did not exactly relish that prospect.
- dn
-------------------------
Mukesh's voice sounded better when he was not singing.
Suresh
> no more than 11 songs in any year during a seven year stretch
> in the 1950s.
me me !! But yes - 11 is a REALLY low number - but yes, I guess we
all(most) expected the number to be very much on the lower side.
> What were Roshan, Anilda
> and SJ (who were not exactly known for slow music but used
> Mukesh very often) doing?
Composing for Talat - and to a lesser extent Rafi !!
Roshan's output for Talat in this period in comparison with his total
output is fairly high - and quality wise, evern higher.
My guess is that Mukesh's down had much to do with Talat's up.
> Even C H Atma has more songs on one Geet
> Kosh page alone, for chrissakes.
I guess those were the only years with any sort of light for Atma.
And some wonderful numbers too..
Cheers,
Suresh
Ket...@att.net
>> Mukesh
>>
>> 1951 - 22
>> 1952 - 6
>> 1953 - 10
>> 1954 - 6
>> 1955 - 8
>> 1956 - 7
>> 1957 - 7
>> 1958 - 11
>> 1959 - 37
>
>I ran my eye over all 1954 films in Geet Kosh to see which
>songs Mukesh sang that year. Of his 6 songs, four are for
>Hansraj Behl. Even C H Atma has more songs on one Geet
>Kosh page alone, for chrissakes. Madhubala Jhaveri must have
>sung 15-20 songs that year. What was going on with Roshan
>and SJ !?!? One explanation, by way of wild guess, could be
>that he nursed an ambition to become MD himself and other
>MDs did not exactly relish that prospect.
That assumption would be true if it held for other singers who tried to be
composers too. For instance, Hemant Kumar's being a singer before he even
composed for one Hindi movie did not in any way lead him to be banned by MDs.
Even Naushad found use for him in Shabab.
In article <9fb42d70.02071...@posting.google.com>, apl_...@yahoo.com
says...
>Composing for Talat - and to a lesser extent Rafi !!
>Roshan's output for Talat in this period in comparison with his total
>output is fairly high - and quality wise, evern higher.
>My guess is that Mukesh's down had much to do with Talat's up.
Nope. Not true. Talat first made his appearance for Roshan in "Anhonee"(1952)
and sang his last song for Roshan in "Mehbooba"(1954). Mukesh, OTOH, first
appeared in "Bawre Nain"(1950) and last appeared in Roshan's last movie "Anokhi
Raat" (1968). Overall Mukesh sang 36 songs for Roshan and Talat sang 9 songs.
Even if you take the period 1952-54(the years in which Talat sang for Roshan),
the Mukesh-Talat, head-to-head count stands at 9 songs each. So your guess is
incorrect.
Ketan
naniwadekar
<Ket...@att.net> wrote -
>
> >and SJ !?!? One explanation, by way of wild guess, could be
> >MDs did not exactly relish that prospect.
>
> That assumption would be true if it held for other singers who tried to be
> composers too. For instance, Hemant Kumar's being a singer
>
happened in Hemant Kumar's case, it does not follow that it would
be repeated in exactly same way for Mukesh.
- dn
Suresh
> and sang his last song for Roshan in "Mehbooba"(1954). Mukesh, OTOH, first
> appeared in "Bawre Nain"(1950) and last appeared in Roshan's last movie "Anokhi
> Raat" (1968). Overall Mukesh sang 36 songs for Roshan and Talat sang 9 songs.
>
> Even if you take the period 1952-54(the years in which Talat sang for Roshan),
> the Mukesh-Talat, head-to-head count stands at 9 songs each. So your guess is
> incorrect.
Thanks for the correction - I got carried way perhaps by suddenly
managing to lay my hands on more Talat-Roshan numbers than I expected.
Any idea as to how many Rafi-Roshan numbers exist in the same period ?
Suresh
Ket...@att.net
>Any idea as to how many Rafi-Roshan numbers exist in the same period ?
During the 1952-1954 period, Rafi had 3 songs with Roshan. And here is the
kicker..Kishore had 7 songs with Roshan in this period. Infact Rafi surpassed
Kishore in songs sung for Roshan only at some point in 1955. He surpassed Mukesh
in total # of songs sung for Roshan in 1959.
Overall, the male singers list for Roshan reads as thus:
Rafi(90), Mukesh(36), & Manna(21), Talat(9), Kishore(7), Hemant(6), Mahendra
Kapoor(4).
Amongst the female singers the list reads as thus:
Lata(146)**, Asha(95), Geeta(20), Suman(18), Sudha Malhotra(14), Rajkumari(13),
Shamshad(12).
Ketan
PS: Ashok brought to my notice 2 songs that I had missed out on while doing my
Roshan compilation. One according to him is a movie that Roshan had composed one
song for, but was unable to complete due to his death. I believe he said, the
movie was completed by S-J. I looked in the HFGK, but was unable to find any
such movie, which had Roshan and S-J listed as the 2 MDs. Since I can't find the
movie or the song, I don't know who the singer/s were, so the above totals may
change.
**The other one is a song that is from an unreleased movie that shows up in
Vishwas Nerurkar's book on Lata. It has been included in the total above.
Ketan
Narendra Joshi
Correct me if I am wrong, but Rafi died in 1980. Then, how come your
list shows number of songs against his name, until 1989? Were these
songs recorded prior to his death, and published later on? Even in
that case, they shouldn't appear after 1980, since by your own
definition, "The columns are year, songs sung by the singer in that
year by the singer name."
Am I missing something here?
Thanks.
- Narendra
surjit...@yahoo.com (surjit singh) wrote in message news:<37eb6192.02070...@posting.google.com>...
surjit singh
> Hi SurjitJi,
> Correct me if I am wrong, but Rafi died in 1980. Then, how come your
> list shows number of songs against his name, until 1989? Were these
> songs recorded prior to his death, and published later on?
Yes.
Even in
> that case, they shouldn't appear after 1980, since by your own
> definition, "The columns are year, songs sung by the singer in that
> year by the singer name."
Sorry. Loose talk by me. It should have read
"The columns are year, songs appearing in the appropriate song book
(as listed by the year of release of the film in a table or otherwise)
by the singer."
Surajit A. Bose
One question:
In article <aglmp...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ket...@att.net wrote:
> Overall, the male singers list for Roshan reads as thus:
>
> Rafi(90), Mukesh(36), & Manna(21), Talat(9), Kishore(7), Hemant(6), Mahendra
> Kapoor(4).
>
> Amongst the female singers the list reads as thus:
>
> Lata(146)**, Asha(95), Geeta(20), Suman(18), Sudha Malhotra(14),
> Rajkumari(13), Shamshad(12).
Do these numbers refer only to solos? I can think of several singers who
have sung for Roshan whose names don't appear in your list: Balbir,
Kamal Barot, Minoo Purushottam ...
Incidentally, you mean "for" the female singers, not "amongst" them.
-s
Ket...@att.net
>
>Hi Ketan,
>
>One question:
>Do these numbers refer only to solos? I can think of several singers who
No. These are the total number of songs--solos, duets et al.
The breakdown for singer-Roshan is as follows:
SINGER FILMS SOLOS MALE DUETS FEMALE DUETS MIX TOTAL
RAFI 33 34 3 47 6 90
MUKESH 16 24 0 11 1 36
MANNA 14 9 4 4 4 21
TALAT 6 5 0 4 0 9
KISHORE 4 1 1 3 2 7
SD BATISH 3 0 1 3 2 6
HEMANT 3 0 0 4 0 4
M.KAPOOR 3 0 1 1 2 4
BALBIR 3 0 1 1 1 3
CHITALKAR 1 1 0 1 0 2
LATA 38 103 34 6 2 145
ASHA 35 48 27 13 7 95
GEETA 9 9 7 3 1 20
SUMAN 14 5 8 5 0 18
SUDHA 8 3 1 5 5 14
RAJKUMARI 5 8 2 3 0 13
SHAMSHAD 8 7 2 1 2 12
SURAIYA 1 4 2 0 0 6
USHA 6 1 0 4 1 6
MEENA
KAPOOR 3 2 1 0 0 3
USHA
KHANNA 2 0 0 2 1 3
MUBARAK
BEGUM 2 1 0 1 0 2
KAMAL
BAROT 2 1 0 1 0 2
MINOO
PURSHOTTAM 2 0 0 2 0 2
MEENA
MANGESHKAR 1 0 0 0 1 1
GEETA
BALI 1 0 0 1 0 1
LAXMI
SHANKAR 1 0 1 0 0 1
SHYAMA
HEMMADY 1 0 0 1 0 1
I have formatted this table so I hope it shows up ok. Corrections to the above
figures are welcome, although I have cross checked them.
>Incidentally, you mean "for" the female singers, not "amongst" them.
Thanks. I sit corrected.
Ketan
naniwadekar
<Ket...@att.net> wrote -
>
> The breakdown for singer-Roshan is as follows:
>
> SINGER FILMS SOLOS MALE DUETS FEMALE DUETS MIX TOTAL
>
> RAFI 33 34 3 47 6 90
> MUKESH, SD BATISH , CHITALKAR
> SUDHA, MUBARAK BEGUM,
>
> LAXMI SHANKAR 1 0 1 0 0 1
>
included in that list? Firoz Dastur, Amirbai, Ghulam Mohd (not
to be confused with MD with the same name) have also sung
for Roshan. Some more names who have sung for Roshan may
also be missing from your list.
- dn
Ket...@att.net
>What criterion have you used to decide which singers should be
>included in that list? Firoz Dastur, Amirbai, Ghulam Mohd (not
>to be confused with MD with the same name) have also sung
>for Roshan. Some more names who have sung for Roshan may
>also be missing from your list.
The list I posted is a partial list of HFM singers who are better known on RMIM.
I am well aware that the others you have mentioned have also warbled for Roshan.
Information about them is available in the full list that I have prepared.
Ketan
Ket...@att.net
>What criterion have you used to decide which singers should be
>included in that list? Firoz Dastur, Amirbai, Ghulam Mohd (not
>to be confused with MD with the same name) have also sung
>for Roshan. Some more names who have sung for Roshan may
>also be missing from your list.
Apologies if this appears twice.
naniwadekar
<Ket...@att.net> wrote -
>
> Apologies if this appears twice.
>
You are getting more ridiculous by the day, nay, by the minute.
There is really no point in arguing with you, but still ...
>
> The list I posted is a partial list of HFM singers who are better known on
RMIM.
> I am well aware that the others you have mentioned have also
> warbled for Roshan.
>
Usha Khanna, Meena Mangeshkar and Kamal Barot are better known
on rmim than Amirbai? You are probably confusing rmim with one
of those wonderful e-groups dedicated to the Mohican Pancham.
Someone should tell Firoz Dastur that Geeta Bali is better known
than he is in the context of a music forum.
- dn
Ket...@att.net
><Ket...@att.net> wrote -
>>
>> Apologies if this appears twice.
>>
>I wish it hadn't appeared even once.
Interesting. That's what many of us wish about your appearance on RMIM and on
Planet Earth itself.
>You are getting more ridiculous by the day, nay, by the minute.
>There is really no point in arguing with you, but still ...
Isn't this what you did the last time too? Like Sidhu-isms this is fast becoming
a Nani-ism.
>> The list I posted is a partial list of HFM singers who are better known on
>RMIM.
>> I am well aware that the others you have mentioned have also
>> warbled for Roshan.
>>
>Usha Khanna, Meena Mangeshkar and Kamal Barot are better known
>on rmim than Amirbai? You are probably confusing rmim with one
Yes!
>of those wonderful e-groups dedicated to the Mohican Pancham.
No!
Firstly I do have a right to make up a list of who is well known or not on RMIM.
Seeing that it is subjective I don't expect everyone to agree with it. Given
your narrow views, I especially don't care what you think of my list. So go
right on with your braying.
Secondly, I have been reading RMIM since its very birth, far longer than you
have been, so I do feel I have a better idea of who is well known on here.
....na samjhe woh A-Nani hai.
Lukewarm regards,
Ketan