Sampoorna Geet Ramayan
sandip
I just picked up a 2 CD set called 'Sampoorna Geet Ramayan' which was
released recently by Times Music in association with the (now defunct
?) Musiccurry Music Company.
The recording is not the famous Marathi Geet Ramayan that was
popularized by Sudhir Phadke. Actors read dialogue written in Hindi
and is interspersed with Hindi songs sung by Lata Mangeshkar, Asha
Bhosle, Manna De, and Hridaynath Mangeshkar who did the music as well.
The are no credits whatsoever for this recording outside the singers
and the music direction. There is no mention about who wrote the
dialogue and the songs, when the recording was made (it sounds like it
was taken from a radio broadcast or something), and who were the
voices who read the dialogue.
Could anyone enlighten me on the details of this recording ?
Thanks in advance...
Sandip.
sandip
naniwadekar
"sandip" <shan...@yahoo.ca> wrote -
>
> I just picked up a 2 CD set called 'Sampoorna Geet Ramayan' which was
> released recently by Times Music in association with the (now defunct
> ?) Musiccurry Music Company.
>
> The recording is not the famous Marathi Geet Ramayan that was
> popularized by Sudhir Phadke.
>
Sudhir Phadke's Geet Ramayan songs (all 54-55 of them in his
own voice) were released on a set of 8-9 LPs long ago.
Please note that these were originally sung, from April 1955
Ram-navami to April-1956 Ram Navami, by an assortment
of singers for Akashwani, Pune. The songs are available in
the original set of voices. Visit gadima.com site for details.
(I am not associated with the site in any manner.)
- dn
Ajit
> Dear Group Members....
>
> I just picked up a 2 CD set called 'Sampoorna Geet Ramayan' which was
> released recently by Times Music in association with the (now defunct
> ?) Musiccurry Music Company.
>
> The recording is not the famous Marathi Geet Ramayan that was
> popularized by Sudhir Phadke. Actors read dialogue written in Hindi
> and is interspersed with Hindi songs sung by Lata Mangeshkar, Asha
> Bhosle, Manna De, and Hridaynath Mangeshkar who did the music as well.
>
Can you give us a listing of the songs in the CD? Judging by Lata's
voice, when do you think these songs were recorded (which decade)?
sandip
I admit I don't have the type of expertise in Hindi film music to
judge what decade this recording was made from on the basis of Lata's
voice. It just struck me that the recording quality was of varying
quality and it sounded old, but I could be wrong. It just reminded me
of a radio recording rather than a 'digital quality' recording.
This recording, by the way, as far as I can tell is not available in
North America. I bought it from the Mantraonnet.comn website which has
as far as I can tell all the devotional recordings put out by Times
Music. The company is located in India so you pay a lot for shipping
and handling so I suppose it is best to buy a lot of CDs which range
from three dollars to about six dollars per C.D. .
Most of the recordings are done in association with the disciples of
Pt. Jasraj or under the music direction of Pt. J's disciple, Kedar
Pandit, so don't expect high quality though some are better than
others...Stay away if you can from Krishna Utsav which are Krishna
bhajans sung by Suresh Wadkar and Devaki Pandit. The music by Pt.
Hariprasad Chaurasia is horrid.
The title of the songs for the Ramayan discs are not listed in their
entirety. They are as follows:
(1) Jhumo Nacho (chorus)
(2) Woh Kaun Tha (Lata)
(3) Babul ki Nagari (Asha)
(4) Jhum Utha Avadh Honge Raja Rama Hamare (Hridaynath and Lata)
(5) Hridaya Hridaya Re (Asha, Usha)
(6) Kaise Kahu Bat (Asha)
(7) Dole Re Dole (Lata)
(8) Tum Bin Bojhila (Manna)
(9) Ab Na Kate Ye Suna Jivan (Lata)
"naniwadekar" <nani3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2kgdmqF...@uni-berlin.de>...
imppio
> Dear Ajit, Nani, and other Group Members...
>
> I admit I don't have the type of expertise in Hindi film music to
> judge what decade this recording was made from on the basis of Lata's
> voice. It just struck me that the recording quality was of varying
> quality and it sounded old, but I could be wrong. It just reminded me
> of a radio recording rather than a 'digital quality' recording.
>
Sandip and others,
In early 1980s, we had just moved to US. In those days, access to
newly released music in India, was not available to me in US very
easily. At that time, I heard some recorded music which I believe was
similar to what you had described. It was Ram songs most probably
from Saint Tulsidas's "Ram Charit Manas". It had voices of Lata,
Asha, and Mukesh for sure. It was also very contemporary to Lata's
classic Yaman gem, a Sanskrtized vesion of Tulsidas-- "Shri Ramchandra
krupaalu bhaja man", which I believe was by Hridaynath.
I remember we had celebrated Ramnavami in Bay Area at that time and
presented many of the songs from these collections, and also immortal
bhajans by DVP like Thumaki chalat Ramchandra.
I hope this may help in identifying your collection.
Any comments?
cheers,
imppio
sandip
Mukesh's abridged version entitled Tulsi Ramayan which was issued on 8
discs by HMV with music by Murli Manohar Swaroop. He was supported by
a chorus that consisted of Vani Jayram, Krishna Kalle, Pushpa
Pagdhare, Ambar Kumar, Surinder Kohli, and Pradeep Chatterjee. Manna
Dey did a follow up recording with a series of 4 discs with music by
MMS entitled "Tulsi Ramayan -- Bal Kand, Adi Khand" in which he was
supported by Kavita Krishnamurthy or Sudha Malhotra, and other
singers.
Mukesh's son, Nitin, cashed in with great success on the Ramayan T.V
serial craze, with his four cassette release of the entire Sundar Kand
entitled Sampoorna Sundar Kand with music by Shekhar and Kalyan Sen.
That included guest voices like Dilraj Kaur, Chhaya Ganguli, Mitali
(of Mitali-Bhupinder fame), and a few others I can't remember ( I have
the cassettes at home) singing some small parts. This in turn spawned
numerous other recorded versions of Tulsi Ramayan or Sundar Kand of
which the most visible were -- of course-- from T-Series.
The recordings were indeed contemporaneous with Lata's "Ram Ratan Dhan
Payo", but according to the disc that I have at home, the music was
composed for Sri Ramchandra Kripalu Bhajaman by Usha Mangeshkar not
Hridaynath. I have, however, wondered if that Yaman composition that
Lata sang was truly Usha's own composition or if it was just a
reworked version of a traditional melody based on Raga Yaman in which
the pada was sung over time.
When Rajan and Sajan Misra (Mishra) did their contribution to the
Music Today Bhaktimala series, they also sang the same pada in Yaman
and it did share some similarities with Lata's version. Either Rajan
Misra used Usha's composition as a base and reworked it (the rest is
very different) or it was a traditional 'dhun' (for lack of a better
word) which both Rajan and Usha used as 'inspiration.' Either way both
renditions were well-done.
I guess that does not get me any closer to figuring out the details
of the receording that was the basis for my original query. The 1955
(I think that is right) version of Geet Ramayan that Nani referred to
that was aired on Akashvani is available only on a CD-ROM offered by
Gadima.com and not on their website which includes only the Sudhir
Phadke version which for some reason I cannot download because of what
seems to be dead links. So.. I have not been able to verify as of yet
whether my recording and the Akashvani recording are similar.
Sandip.
mp...@yahoo.com (imppio) wrote in message news:<6cccfc5d.04070...@posting.google.com>...
naniwadekar
"sandip" <shan...@yahoo.ca> wrote -
>
> composed for Sri Ramchandra Kripalu Bhajaman by Usha
>
> When Rajan and Sajan Misra (Mishra) did their contribution to the
> Music Today Bhaktimala series, they also sang the same pada in Yaman
> Either way both > renditions were well-done.
>
Shankarrao Vyas had set 'shri ramchandra krupalu bhaj man'
to tune for film Bharat Milap (1942). It's a male chorus and is
far better done than Lata's sugary recital.
> The 1955 (I think that is right) version of Geet Ramayan
> that Nani referred to that was aired on Akashvani ...
>
What do you mean by you *think* that is right? The year
given by me *is* correct, it has not been in dispute and
what *you* 'think' is immaterial.
- dn
sandip
When I meant "I think" it was merely me trying to recollect the date
you listed in your posting since I didn't have it in front of me. I
was not disputing your dates and no offense was intended.
Sandip.
"naniwadekar" <nani3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2ktbufF...@uni-berlin.de>...
naniwadekar
"sandip" <shan...@yahoo.ca> wrote -
>
> When I meant "I think" it was merely me trying to recollect the date
> you listed in your posting since I didn't have it in front of me. I
> was not disputing your dates and no offense was intended.
>
My retort was made without taking any offense and without
intending any on my part. But I just thought you shouldn't
have commented on the date at all.
- dn
Dr.Mandar V.Bichu
> > > I just picked up a 2 CD set called 'Sampoorna Geet Ramayan' which was
> > released recently by Times Music in association with the (now defunct
> > ?) Musiccurry Music Company.
>
> voice, when do you think these songs were recorded (which decade)?
> > Could anyone enlighten me on the details of this recording ?
Yes guys, I can enlighten you thanks to a strange coincidence. This
recording is from the soundtrack of a ballet- Sampoorna Ramayan,
staged in Mumbai in late seventies or early eighties.
Around six months back, one of my patients- Mr.Nishith Patel mentioned
to me about some unreleased Lata songs for a ballet, which was
organised by his late aunt. He had the spools in his place in Gujarat
and he was going there from UAE for a vacation. Naturally I told him
to tape them for me and (naturally!) he forgot to do so in his visit!
He came back to me recently and I reminded him of his promise and what
I got was a tirade against the Mangeshkars for releasing those songs
in the market without permission and without credit to his late aunt!
(Musiccurry was or is a music company run by Adinath Mangeshkar acc.
to some people here and that explains the Mangeshkar-connection.)
: Dr.Mandar
sandip
Thank you so much for clearing up the mystery about the recording.
Would you happen to know who read the dialogues in the recording and
who wrote the script and lyrics ? Again...there is nothing listed at
all on the disc.
Thank you again for answering my question for me.....
Sandip.
mand...@emirates.net.ae (Dr.Mandar V.Bichu) wrote in message news:<c560e5b8.04070...@posting.google.com>...
Animesh Kumar
sandip wrote:
> The only recording I can think of from the 80s of Ramcharitmanas was
> Mukesh's abridged version entitled Tulsi Ramayan which was issued on 8
> discs by HMV with music by Murli Manohar Swaroop. He was supported by
> a chorus that consisted of Vani Jayram, Krishna Kalle, Pushpa
> Pagdhare, Ambar Kumar, Surinder Kohli, and Pradeep Chatterjee. Manna
> Dey did a follow up recording with a series of 4 discs with music by
> MMS entitled "Tulsi Ramayan -- Bal Kand, Adi Khand" in which he was
> supported by Kavita Krishnamurthy or Sudha Malhotra, and other
> singers.
>
Can you please tell about the availability of this 4-CD/DIsc by Manna De
et al. (?)?
<snipped>
> The recordings were indeed contemporaneous with Lata's "Ram Ratan Dhan
> Payo", but according to the disc that I have at home, the music was
> composed for Sri Ramchandra Kripalu Bhajaman by Usha Mangeshkar not
> Hridaynath. I have, however, wondered if that Yaman composition that
> Lata sang was truly Usha's own composition or if it was just a
> reworked version of a traditional melody based on Raga Yaman in which
> the pada was sung over time.
>
> When Rajan and Sajan Misra (Mishra) did their contribution to the
> Music Today Bhaktimala series, they also sang the same pada in Yaman
> and it did share some similarities with Lata's version. Either Rajan
> Misra used Usha's composition as a base and reworked it (the rest is
> very different) or it was a traditional 'dhun' (for lack of a better
> word) which both Rajan and Usha used as 'inspiration.' Either way both
> renditions were well-done.
I don't know much about Raaga etc, but my copy of "Vinay-Patrika" by
Tulsidas says that "shrii raamacha.Ndra kRRipaalu" should/could be sung
in Raag Gauri. I am sure that someone on RMIM would shed more light on this.
best regards
Animesh
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> mp...@yahoo.com (imppio) wrote in message news:<6cccfc5d.04070...@posting.google.com>...
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>>shan...@yahoo.ca (sandip) wrote in message news:<1aa5eec2.04070...@posting.google.com>...
>>
>>>Dear Ajit, Nani, and other Group Members...
>>>
>>>I admit I don't have the type of expertise in Hindi film music to
>>>judge what decade this recording was made from on the basis of Lata's
>>>voice. It just struck me that the recording quality was of varying
>>>quality and it sounded old, but I could be wrong. It just reminded me
>>>of a radio recording rather than a 'digital quality' recording.
>>>
>>
>>Sandip and others,
>>
>>In early 1980s, we had just moved to US. In those days, access to
>>newly released music in India, was not available to me in US very
>>easily. At that time, I heard some recorded music which I believe was
>>similar to what you had described. It was Ram songs most probably
>>from Saint Tulsidas's "Ram Charit Manas". It had voices of Lata,
>>Asha, and Mukesh for sure. It was also very contemporary to Lata's
>>classic Yaman gem, a Sanskrtized vesion of Tulsidas-- "Shri Ramchandra
>>krupaalu bhaja man", which I believe was by Hridaynath.
>>
>>I remember we had celebrated Ramnavami in Bay Area at that time and
>>presented many of the songs from these collections, and also immortal
>>bhajans by DVP like Thumaki chalat Ramchandra.
>>
>>I hope this may help in identifying your collection.
>>
>>Any comments?
>>
>>cheers,
>>imppio
--
PS: reply to animesh AT eecs.berkeley.edu
Saving Thyself from Spam
Animesh Kumar
naniwadekar wrote:
> "sandip" <shan...@yahoo.ca> wrote -
>
>>composed for Sri Ramchandra Kripalu Bhajaman by Usha
>>Mangeshkar ...
>>
>>When Rajan and Sajan Misra (Mishra) did their contribution to the
>>Music Today Bhaktimala series, they also sang the same pada in Yaman
>>and it did share some similarities with Lata's version. ...
>>Either way both > renditions were well-done.
>>
>
>
> Shankarrao Vyas had set 'shri ramchandra krupalu bhaj man'
> to tune for film Bharat Milap (1942). It's a male chorus and is
> far better done than Lata's sugary recital.
>
>
>
>
Can you tell about the availability of this song? Is it available
commercially or do I have to peek in sweet bags of collectors? (reminds
me of poTalii baabaa)
best regards
Animesh
<snipped>
naniwadekar
"Animesh Kumar" wrote -
>
> I don't know much about Raaga etc, but my copy of "Vinay-Patrika" by
> Tulsidas says that "shrii raamacha.Ndra kRRipaalu" should/could be sung
> in Raag Gauri.
>
There is no reason why it *should* be sung in Gauri and
no reason why it could not be sung in it. You might have
misinterpreted the content. If a listing is preceded by name
of a raag, it generally refers to the original or most popular
raag or tune which the song is based on.
I don't think I have heard the bhajan in Gauri. Lata's version
is in Yaman-Kalyan and the one in the film Bharat Milap
is a Dhrupad-ish Kedar in taal Tevra. It must be a very rare
instance of the taal's use in a Hindi film song.
- dn
naniwadekar
"Animesh Kumar" <ani...@eecs.berkely.edu> wrote -
>
> > Shankarrao Vyas had set 'shri ramchandra krupalu bhaj man'
> > to tune for film Bharat Milap (1942). It's a male chorus and is
> > far better done than Lata's sugary recital.
> >
>
> Can you tell about the availability of this song?
>
Check Prof Surjit Singh's site.
- dn
sandip
Manna De's recording of Tulsi Ramayan is not available to my knowledge
on CD or even on cassette. I have three of the four recordings on LP.
Vijay Kishore Dube told me that they were taken off the market and
would be reissued only if there was a demand for them again.
Sandip.
naniwadekar" <nani3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2l0tdlF...@uni-berlin.de>...
Animesh Kumar
naniwadekar wrote:
Now since you are more knowledgable about raag and poetry, so I feel
like getting some knowledge from you in this regard.
As far as I know, the "maatra of a chha.nd" is selected according to the
mood of the chha.nd. (More than one) Raagas are naturally tied to
chha.nd, and perhaps "Raag Gauri" expresses the mood of the chha.nd in
the "most-effective" manner. That is why I wrote "it should/could be
sung in Raag gauri." I placed the "could" to make sure I am not
dictatorial about "should" [rightly so]. Of course, there is no need to
sing the chha.nd either ... you can just read it.
I heard the "Bharat Milap" version of shrii-raamachandra-kRRipaalu.
Incidentally, Ganti pointed me to the same earlier and I thank you for
pointing me again to it. I liked the way they sing it except for the
slightly loud music accompanying the vocals continuously (Lata's version
has lilting music, which is my personal favorite). The music buries
(rather obscures) the pronunciation of the poem.
Finally, I will like to point you to one more tune made by Pt. Sharma (I
don't know who is he), and will like to know about the Raag (if any) and
your comments on the rendition.
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/02000I0500
See the last one.
Thanks for spending your time on this topic.
Best regards,
Animesh
PS: Thanks for correcting me in the other post. I was guessing names of
music directors to bring some names to attention. (Oh yes, Khayyaam's
first (independent) movie is Lalarookh, but it is placed under Urdu
movies at times, and that movie had songs without Lata).
> - dn
naniwadekar
"Animesh Kumar" wrote -
>
> As far as I know, the "maatra of a chha.nd" is selected according to the
> mood of the chha.nd. (More than one) Raagas are naturally tied to
> chha.nd, and perhaps "Raag Gauri" expresses the mood of the chha.nd in
> the "most-effective" manner. That is why I wrote "it should/could be
> sung in Raag gauri." I placed the "could" to make sure I am not
> dictatorial about "should" [rightly so]. Of course, there is no need to
> sing the chha.nd either ... you can just read it.
>
Quickly - I am quite ignorant about chhand. Sushil
Sharma may be in a position to say something about it.
But raagas are tied neither to any chhand nor to any
mood. A google search on rmic/m archives should
bring up dozens of discussions on the topic.
Re. Khayyam -
At least 3 films MDed by one Sharma-ji are likely
to be early examples of Khayyam's work. Heer
Ranjha (1948) and Beewee (1950) are his, I am sure.
Both these films had multiple MDs.
No idea whether Sharma-ji of Parda (1949) is Khayyam
only. I may have missed a film or two during a quick flip
of the bible's pages.
- dn
naniwadekar
"Animesh Kumar" wrote -
>
> That is why I wrote "it should/could be
> sung in Raag gauri."
>
'shri ramchandra krupalu bhaj man' :
A question for Sanjeev Ramabhadran. We now have
established access to the song set to Yaman-kalyan,
Kedar and Des. Has anybody set it to Gauri? Which
raag, if any, had the late Ram Phatak set it to when
he composed a tune for it?
- dn
Animesh Kumar
naniwadekar wrote:
> "Animesh Kumar" wrote -
>
>>As far as I know, the "maatra of a chha.nd" is selected according to the
>>mood of the chha.nd. (More than one) Raagas are naturally tied to
>>chha.nd, and perhaps "Raag Gauri" expresses the mood of the chha.nd in
>>the "most-effective" manner. That is why I wrote "it should/could be
>>sung in Raag gauri." I placed the "could" to make sure I am not
>>dictatorial about "should" [rightly so]. Of course, there is no need to
>>sing the chha.nd either ... you can just read it.
>>
>
>
> Quickly - I am quite ignorant about chhand. Sushil
> Sharma may be in a position to say something about it.
> But raagas are tied neither to any chhand nor to any
> mood. A google search on rmic/m archives should
> bring up dozens of discussions on the topic.
>
>
Let me correct myself, I meant "chhand" are naturally tied to one or
more raagas for singing. I didn't mean the other way. Apologies!
>
> Re. Khayyam -
> At least 3 films MDed by one Sharma-ji are likely
> to be early examples of Khayyam's work. Heer
> Ranjha (1948) and Beewee (1950) are his, I am sure.
> Both these films had multiple MDs.
> No idea whether Sharma-ji of Parda (1949) is Khayyam
> only. I may have missed a film or two during a quick flip
> of the bible's pages.
>
I meant independent MD-debut as footpath or Lalarookh. I am unsure about
Parda though. You may (must) be right.
best
Animesh
sac
Where in US or Canada, can I get the entire set of 'marathi' Sampoorna
Ramayana CD's?
-sac
naniwadekar
>
The words 'debut' or 'first-ever' are subject to qualification.
A (smart) search on rmim archives should bring up dozens
of discussions on this topic.
- dn
Manohar Bodas
That is interesting Piggy Baby Dhenuvallbh. You are first-ever and
will be last-ever. Your stupid posts are very very
first.................and the Last.
MB