Ghalib Ghazals
Zuiderent
I'm working on a project to produce a CD containing Ghalib's top fifty
ghazals sung by various singers of IndoPak. I'd appreciate if you
could help me in the selection of the Ghazals. My favorite top ten
ghazals, not necessarily in order, are as follows:
1. muddat huvi hai yaar ko mehmaan kiye huve Noor Jahan
2. jahaan teraa naqsh e qadam dekhte hain Nahid Akhtar
3. ai taaza vaaridaan e bisaat Rafi
4. ye na thi hamaari qismat Amanat Ali Khan
5. kabhi neki bhi us ke ji mein Asha
6. sab kahaan kuchh laala o gul Begam Akhtar
7. hairaan hoon dil ko ro'un CH Atma
8. nukta chin hai Sehgal
9. dil e naadaan tujhe Talat/Surayya
10.daaim paRaa huvaa tire dar par Mehdi Hasan
I'd be very thankful if you could enlist *your* top ten -- or at least
top five -- ghazals. I'll post the final fifty ghazals as soon they
are selected.
Thanks in advance,
Zuiderent
Pulkit
think you should give a consideration to Noorjehan's- koi ummeed var
nahin aati, its rendition is also at par with "muddat hui hai".
Surayya's version of "nukta chin hai " is very nice, you can
substitute it for Saigal's version of "nukta chin" and include other
Saigal ghazals like-aah ko chahiye. Talat's-phir mujhe deed -ae -tar
yaad aaya, must also be included.Another gem that deserves a mention
is "Hai Baske Har Ek Unke", though it is many versions but you can
take either Noorjehan's version or Rafi's version.
-Pulkit
Satish Kalra
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I would like to add here that one can come up with the top 50, perhaps in 50
different voices, without repeating any one singer. Almost all aspiring
singers (and also those who have already achieved success) have tried
singing ghazals, particularly of Ghalib, whose name is universally known to
any poetry/music lover.
I would like to add my candidates for the project - Lata's rendition of "har
ek baat pe, kehte ho tum ki tuu kyaa hai...", from the mid-60's; for "ye na
thii hamaari kismat...", I vote for Habib Wali Mo'hd.
Happy Listenings
Satish Kalra
animesh kumar
My list would go as (not in order)
1. Hai bas ki har ek unake ishaare me nishaan aur -- Mohd Rafi (Mirza
Ghalib) - wonderful rendition and one of it's own kind I suppose.
2. Ye na thii hamaarii qismet - Rafi (non-filmi, khayyam rafi) - really
brings out the emotions in the ghazal.
3. Ai taazaa waridaan e bisaat e hawaa e dil -- Rafi (Khayyam - rafi) -
really exceptional tune :-) I mentioned this one in my previosu post too.
4. kabhi Neki bhi usake jee me gar aa jaaye hai mujhpe - Asha
(jaidev-Asha) - I like the repetitive way in which the ghazal is sung (the
fast tune keeps the ghazal lively as well, despite repetition). It's
composed different than traditional style, for example,
sambhalne de,
sambhalne de mujhe ae naaummidii kyaa qayaamat hai
sambhalne de,
sambhalne de mujhe ae naaummidii kyaa qayaamat hai
ke daamaan e khayaal e yaar chhutaa jaaye hai mujhse
ke daamaan e khayaal e yaar chhutaa jaaye hai mujhse
ke daamaan e khayaal e yaar chhutaa jaaye hai mujhse
usually shers are recited with first line twice or thrice, and then second
line closes it. Besides tunes for same lines change too.
5. Shauq har rang raqiibe sar o saamaan nikalaa - Asha (asha-jaidev) Ahh
what a rendition. Must hear one. Speechless on this one.
6. Har ek baat pe kahatii ho ke tuu kyaa hai - Lata (Lata- Hridayanath) The
pathos of this ghazal are brought out nicely by Lata. Otherwise the album
Lata sings Ghalib and other ghazals has hardly anything to mention.
7. Ishq mujhako nahii.N wahshat hii sahii - Talat (movie, Mirza ghalib). The
way the dynamism increases is noteworthy. Though the instruments become a
bit hoarse towards the end, Talat's voice is pretty clear and "in-tune" (not
aware of musical terms and their meanings, so trying to put it as a lay
man).
I would leave three, since I havent heard much of Ghulam Ali, begum Akhtar,
Saigal, and Mehndi Hassan. they are great in their own right and deserve
numbers in here!
best regards
Animesh
Satish Kalra
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The track "har ek baat pe.." was released in 1961, on a 78rpm disc, with the
other side having another beautiful rendition by Lata of "daher men
naqsh-e-wafa...". Music for both the ghazals was scored by Faiyyaz Shoukat.
Both numbers have since been released by EMI on the CD "Lata Mangeshkar -
Non-Film Treasures - Ghazals, Geets & Other Songs".
>
> 7. Ishq mujhako nahii.N wahshat hii sahii - Talat (movie, Mirza ghalib).
The
> way the dynamism increases is noteworthy. Though the instruments become a
> bit hoarse towards the end, Talat's voice is pretty clear and "in-tune"
(not
> aware of musical terms and their meanings, so trying to put it as a lay
> man).
If one wants to go by the non-traditional tunes/instrumentation for ghazals,
this number by Chitra Singh for the tele-serial Mirza Ghalib should be an
ideal candidate. I find the "notations" of the Guitar used as the principal
instrument in the number very heart-touching.
--
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Arun Iyengar
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> "animesh kumar" <ani...@eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> > 6. Har ek baat pe kahatii ho ke tuu kyaa hai - Lata (Lata- Hridayanath)
> The
> > pathos of this ghazal are brought out nicely by Lata. Otherwise the
album
> > Lata sings Ghalib and other ghazals has hardly anything to mention.
>
> The track "har ek baat pe.." was released in 1961, on a 78rpm disc, with
the
> other side having another beautiful rendition by Lata of "daher men
> naqsh-e-wafa...". Music for both the ghazals was scored by Faiyyaz
Shoukat.
>
> Both numbers have since been released by EMI on the CD "Lata Mangeshkar -
> Non-Film Treasures - Ghazals, Geets & Other Songs".
They were also included in the CD album "Lata Sings Ghalib". The CD cover
features a nice painting by Usha Mangeshkar. Most non-Hridayanath ghazals in
the CD are worth treasuring. But sadly Hridayanath-Lata Ghalib ghazals are a
disaster except "ye jo ham hijr me.n". Lata sounds jaded and Hridayanath
falls woefully short.
A
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kamalakar pasupuleti
If you go thru the DEEWAN-E-GHALIB carefully it can be seen that
the ghazal MAIN INHE CHEDU is the shortest of all the ghazals
and only one artist the
Late KL SAIGAL rendered it in full (None of the verses omitted)and
perhaps this was the best rendition of his Ghalibs Ghazal.
Many artists probably rendered more number of his ghazals but KL SAIGAL
was the only one who stole some time and spent considerable money from
his own earnings for the repair of the tomb of Ghalib and also got it
covered with marble .
If you have not heard do listen and take your own decesion.
Regards,
- kp
Saurabh Verma
a) His Aah ko chahiye ek umr is certainly better than anyone else's
b) Dil se teri nigah
c) Dayam Pada hua hoon
Iqbal Bano's Muddat hui hai yaar ko is also extremely riveting.
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Ajit
Come on, Arun. The entire album is a masterpiece and Lata's singing is
extremely melodious and poignant in all the 9 ghazals. "Naqsh
fariyaadi hai" is an excellent example of sheer divinity in singing.
And I am particularly fond of "dard minnat...". Especially the way she
begins with "kuchh to padhiye ke log.....". The word "log" is stressed
so gorgeously by Lata. While "yeh hum jo hijr mein..." and "phir
mujhhe deeda-e-tar yaad aaya" may be termed memorable, I find the word
"stunning" too weak an epithet to describe the tune and singing of
"bazeecha-e-atfaal". The echo effect on the word "aagey" gives me
goosepimples.
And "kabhi neki bhi uske jee mein gar..." is replete with those
typical twists and turns of a Hridaynath tune handled with such
finesse and felicity. I treasure this album and would definitely
recommend to anyone who hasn't heard it. I don't think her voice
sounds jaded in even one place!
And yes, there is yet another ghazal sung by Lata for Hridaynath,
probably much later. Its "dil mein lekar tumhaari yaad chale" (not a
Ghalib ghazal, though).
BTW, wasn't "har ek baat pe" composed by faiyyaz shaukat. He also
composed "daher mein naqsh-e-wafaa".
But of all the non-film ghazals by Lata, if I were to pick one, I'd
pick "ahd-e-gham mein bhi muskuraate hain".
Balu Nadig
Lata's "Naqsh Fariyadi Hai" in Nand is quite exquisite, I would
think... Here is a snippet:
http://www.sawf.org/audio/nand/lata_ghalib_nand.ram
Regards
Balu
Nimish
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[...]
> And "kabhi neki bhi uske jee mein gar..." is replete with those
> typical twists and turns of a Hridaynath tune handled with such
> finesse and felicity.
I haven't heard Lata's rendition of "kabhii nekii bhii..." but the one
by Asha is absolutely divine. It is available in HMV release "Finest
Ghazal of Ghalib".
[...]
> BTW, wasn't "har ek baat pe" composed by faiyyaz shaukat. He also
> composed "daher mein naqsh-e-wafaa".
>
The latter is very well sung, indeed! I did not know it was Faiyyaz
Shaukat's tune.
[...]
- Nimish
Arun Iyengar
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> Lata's "Naqsh Fariyadi Hai" in Nand is quite exquisite, I would
> think... Here is a snippet:
> http://www.sawf.org/audio/nand/lata_ghalib_nand.ram
Agree but the entire song is more like a snippet. It is just over a minute
long.
The very twists and turns of Hridayanath that Ajit talks about, have spoiled
most of the songs in this album. Lata is not comfortable at several places
and you can literally hear her gasping for breath. She particularly
struggles at the high pitches like in the antara of dard minnat which goes
something like hai khabar garm unke aane ki. Then you notice Hridayanath's
unimaginative tuning like in the antara of rone se ishq which goes like
kehta hai kaun naalaaye bulbul ka where Lata is forced to stretch the line
to fit the meter which is uneven to put it mildly. The same tune is turned
into a magical song in Lekin, sunio jii and Lata sounds much better there
though it was recorded a full two decades later. Then I can't bear to hear
Lata render koi ummeed bar nahin aati with strenuous effort. Overall this
album is a huge disappointment.
The bonus ghazals in the CD are the only face saver. You hear the instant
change when song no. 10 har ek baat pe starts. You heave a huge sigh of
relief both for Lata's and your own sake. She must be really tired after
trying so hard. Boy what a punishment that was!
I said earlier
"The CD cover features a nice painting by Usha Mangeshkar."
I just checked the CD cover, and the painting is not there. But I am sure I
have seen a painting by Usha on one of Lata's non-film CDs, just don't know
which one. Anyone?
aanand
hajaoro khwaishe aisi....
rgds
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Irfan Anwar
FROM THE MEMORY LANES
1- aah ko chahiye ik ummr asar honey tek Ustad Barkat Ali Khan
Barkat Ali Khan was younger brother of Bade Ghulam Ali Khan and teacher
of Ghulam Ali. He is considered to be one of finest light classical
singers in the Sub-continent. He died in 1958.
2- dil sey tei nigah jiger tek utar gaee K.L.Saigal
3- nukata cheeN hey ghamey dil K.L.Saigal
4- shauq har rung raqeeb-e-sarosaamaN nikala Rafi
5- dehr meiN naqsh-e-wafaa wajh-e-tasalee Lata
6- zikr uss parivash ka aur phi bayaaN apana Mohinder Kapur
7- Ishrat-e-qatara hey dariya meiN fanaa Ustad Barkat Ali Khan
8- hey buskeh her ik unkey isharey meiN Rafi
9- buskeh dushwar hey her kaam ka aasaN honaa Sudha Malhotra
10- mudat hui hey yaar ko mehmaaN kiyey huey Sudha Malhotra
11- mudat hui hey yaar ko.................. Noor Jehan
12- ye na thi hamaari qisamat key visaal-e-yaar Rafi
13- ye na thi hamaari qisamat.............. Suraiya
14- ye na thi hamaari qisamat.............. Habib Wali Mohammad
15- dard minet kash-e-dawaa na huwa Rafi
16- phir mujhey deeda-e-ter yaad aaya Talat Mehmood
17- jahaaN tera naqash-e-qadam dekhetey heiN Nahid Akhtar
18- rehiye ab aisi jagah chal ker Suraiya
19- her aik baat pey kehtey ho tum Lata
20- taskeeN ko hum na roaiN jo Begum Akhtar
21- dil-e-nadaaN tujhey hua kya hey Talat/Suraiya
Ther are many many more which I like but cannot recollect at this time.
Regards,
Irfan
Zuiderent
Thanks a lot for the support and feedback. You people are wonderful.
I've discovered this discussion board only very recently but I've
learned a great deal -- especially about Ghalib's ghazals, which are
the major concern these days -- by digging through the old postings.
So far, I've been able to collect some 94 ghazals sung by 30 singers.
But the actual number of ghazals is only 51 as many ghazals have been
sung over and over again by different artists. For example, in my
collection, "ye na thi hamaari qismat" has been sung by eight
ghazal-go's: Amanat Ali Khan, Asad Amanat Ali Khan (son of the great
AAK, with a different tune), Begum Akhtar, Chitra, Habib Wali, Rafi,
Surayya and Tal'at Aziz. The second most-sung ghazal is "har aik baat
pe kehte ho tum", sung by seven singers.
-Z
Arun Iyengar
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For example, in my
> collection, "ye na thi hamaari qismat" has been sung by eight
> ghazal-go's: Amanat Ali Khan, Asad Amanat Ali Khan (son of the great
> AAK, with a different tune), Begum Akhtar, Chitra, Habib Wali, Rafi,
> Surayya and Tal'at Aziz.
Add Usha Mangeshkar to the above list.
Yogesh Sethi
> ...
> I'm working on a project to produce a CD containing Ghalib's top fifty
> ghazals sung by various singers of IndoPak. I'd appreciate if you
> could help me in the selection of the Ghazals.
>
> Zuiderent
First of all, please accept my congratulations for starting a worthy
project. Talking of Ghalib, it is not easy to make a choice for he
hardly wrote anything less than excellent and only he himself remains
the yardstick against whom to measure. Nevertheless subjective
criterion remains for their tuning also and we all have our
preferences. "naqsh fariyaadii hai kis kii shoKhiie tehariir kaa"
rendered by Talat remains among my all time favorites.
Also, Ghalib is my favorite poet. Some time ago, I embarked on
preparing a list of ghazals written by Ghalib and "tuned" by
well-known artists. Initially, it was mostly from my own collection to
which I have added some from this thread and other sources. I share
this collection with all of you in the hope that it can be further
expanded. If anyone knows of additional renditions not listed here,
kindly point that out.
Regards,
Yogesh Sethi
List of well known artists who have rendered Ghalib ghazals
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1st line of ghazal singer(s)
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aah ko chaahiye ik umr asar hone tak: ba,bak,ga,js,kls,sur,
ae taazaa varidaane bisaate havaae dil: rafi
baaziichaa-e-atfaal hai duniyaa mere aage: js,lm,rafi,tm,
be-aitadaaliyo.n se subuk sab me.n ham hue ??
bus ki dushvaar hai har kaam kaa aasaa.n honaa rafi,cs,sm
daayam pa.Daa huaa tere dar par nahii.n huu.n mai.n: ba,ga,hh,ib,mh
dahar me.n naqshe vafaa vajahe tasallii na huaa lm,
dard minnat_kash-e-davaa na huaa rafi,lm
dard se mere hee tujhako hee beqaraarii haay haay: mp,
dil hii to hai na sang-o-Khisht dard se bhar na aaye kyo.n: ba,js,cs
dil se terii nigaah jigar tak utar gayii ga,kls,
dil-e-naadaa.n tujhe huaa kyaa hai ? cs,sur,tm,
ek ahle dard ne sunsaan jo dekhaa qafas kls,
hai bas ki har ik unake ishaare me.n nishaa.n aur: rafi,
hairaa.n huu.n dil ko rouu.n ki piiTuu.n jigar ko mai.n: cha,
ham par jafaa se tarke vafaa kaa gumaa.n nahii.n: fk
ham rasq ko apne bhii gavaaraa nahii.n karte mukesh,
har ek baat pe kahate ho tum ki tuu kyaa hai js,kls,
hazaaro.n Khvaaishe.n aisii ki har Khvaaish pe dam nikale: js,lm,
husn-e-maah garche baa-ha.ngaam-e-kamaal achchaa hai: js,
ibn-e-maryam huaa kare koii ba,kls,
ishq mujhako nahii.n vahashat hii sahii kls,tm
jahaa.n teraa naqshe qadam dekhte hai.n mp, na
jis bazm me.n tuu naaz se guftaar me.n aave tm,
kab se suntaa hai kahaanii merii cs,js
kabhii nekii bhii uske jii me.n gar aa jaaye hai mujhse: ab,ga,lm,
koii din gar zi.ndagaanii aur hai tm,
koii ummiid bar nahii.n aatii ba,lm,nj
laazim thaa ki dekho meraa rasta koii din aur ??
mai.n unhe.n che.Duu.n aur kuchh na kahe.n kls,
me.n hoo.n mushtaaqe jafaa mujh pe jafaa aur sahii: mk,
milatii hai Khuu-e-yaar se naar iltihaab me.n cs,
muddat huii hai yaar ko mehmaa.n kiye hue rafi,nj,sm
na huii gar mere marane se tasallii na sahii mu
na thaa kuchch to Khudaa thaa, kuchch na hotaa to Khudaa hotaa: js,
naqsh fariyaadii hai kis kii shoKhiie tehariir kaa: lm,tm,
nuktaachii.n hai Gam-e-dil us ko sunaaye na bane: kls,chit,raf,sur,
phir is andaaz se bahaar aaii ga,
phir kuchch is dil ko beqaraarii hai js,
phir mujhe diida-e-tar yaad aaya kls,lm,tm,
qad-o-gesuu me.n qais-o-Kohakan kii aazamaaish hai: rafi,
rahiye ab aisii jagah chal kar jahaa.n koii na ho: sur,
rone se aur ishq me.n be_baak ho gaye lm,
sab kahaa.n kuchh laalaa-o-gul me.n numaayaa ho gayii.n: ba,js,
shauq har rang raqiib-e-sar-o-saamaa.n niklaa ab,ga,rafi,tm
taskii.n ko ham na roye.n jo zauq-e-nazr mile ba
tum jaano tum ko Gair se jo rasmo raah ho: md
us bazm me.n mujhe nahii.n banatii hayaa kiye tm,
voh aake Khvaab me.n taskiin-e-iztiraab to de kls,
voh firaaq aur voh visaal kahaa.n? js,
ye jo ham hijr me.n diivaar-o-dar ko dekhate hai.n: lm,
ye na thii hamaarii qismat ke visaal-e-yaar hotaa:
aa,ba,cs,ga,hwm,js,mb,rafi,sur,usha_m,
zikr us pariiwash kaa, aur phir bayaa.N apanaa ba,mk,rafi,tm,
zulmat_kade me.n mere shab-e-Gam kaa josh hai js,
----------------------------
legend:
aa=amanat ali
ab=asha bhonsle
ba=begum akhtar
bak=Ustad Barkat Ali Khan
cha=ch atma
cs=chitra singh
fk=farida khanum
ga=ghulam ali
hh=hariharan
hwm=habib wali mohamed
ib=iqbal bano
js = jagjit singh
kls=saigal
lm=lata
mb=mubarak begum
md=manna dey
mh=mehdi hasan
mk = mahendra kapoor
mp=malika pukhraj
mu=mukesh
na=Nahid Akhtar
nj=noor jahan
rafi=mohd. rafi
sm=Sudha Malhotra
sur=suraiya
tm=talat mahmood
usha_m=usha mangeshkar
-------------
UVR
>
> Also, Ghalib is my favorite poet [...]
[Nice to see you here, Yogesh saahib]
Ghalib is my favorite poet, too. That is why I am irked by
the fact that throughout this discussion, one particular
Ghazal has been listed pretty much near the top of the list
of Ghalib Ghazals. This one:
> ae taazaa varidaane bisaate havaae dil: rafi
But this is NOT a separate Ghalib Ghazal at all! No kidding.
NO Ghalib Ghazal starts with the words "ai taaza waaridaan."
(I have pointed this out on RMIM earlier, too.)
"But Rafi has sung such a Ghazal, and it has been credited to
Ghalib," you say?
Sure, he has sung it. And he has sung it *beautifully*. Yes,
it has been credited to Ghalib. But no, once again, it is NOT
a separate Ghazal.
Then what *IS* "ai taaza waaridaan"? Well, it is exactly the
same Ghazal as the following:
> zulmat_kade me.n mere shab-e-Gam kaa josh hai: js,
If you don't believe me, check your deewaan-e-Ghalib. OR visit
Nita's Urdu Poetry site (http://www.urdupoetry.com) and look at
the words of "zulmat kade me.n mere".
-UVR.
Urzung Khan
Yogesh Sethi wrote:
>
> chunn...@yahoo.com (Zuiderent) wrote:
> > ...
> > I'm working on a project to produce a CD containing Ghalib's top fifty
> > ghazals sung by various singers of IndoPak. I'd appreciate if you
> > could help me in the selection of the Ghazals.
> > ...
> >
> > Zuiderent
>
> First of all, please accept my congratulations for starting a worthy
> project. Talking of Ghalib, it is not easy to make a choice for he
> hardly wrote anything less than excellent and only he himself remains
> the yardstick against whom to measure. Nevertheless subjective
> criterion remains for their tuning also and we all have our
> preferences. "naqsh fariyaadii hai kis kii shoKhiie tehariir kaa"
> rendered by Talat remains among my all time favorites.
>
> Also, Ghalib is my favorite poet. Some time ago, I embarked on
> preparing a list of ghazals written by Ghalib and "tuned" by
> well-known artists. Initially, it was mostly from my own collection to
> which I have added some from this thread and other sources. I share
> this collection with all of you in the hope that it can be further
> expanded. If anyone knows of additional renditions not listed here,
> kindly point that out.
>
> Regards,
> Yogesh Sethi
> laazim thaa ki dekho meraa rasta koii din aur ??
Sethi Ji, ?? sang two ghazals of Ghalib in late
50s/early 60s. The other one was:
daayam pa.Daa huaa tere dar par nahii.n huu.n mai.n
He is none other than Shiv Dayal Batish.
Urzung Khan
Zuiderent
Dear Yogesh:
Thanks a lot for the list. It's a great help as I've found many
ghazals that were missing from my list.
Dear UVR:
Many thanks to you too for your valuable input, and also for releasing
it so dramatically :)) I'd, however, like to add that this *ghazal* is
actually a qita (fragment), *inside* the ghazal "zulmat kade mein".
The qita starts from the sixth sher of the Ghazal and goes till the
maqta, "aate hain gheb se". The ghazal was written in c1826 and there
was an additional sher also (the second one in the original ghazal),
which Ghalib discarded from his divan later. The sher was
ho kar shaheed ishq mein paae hazaar jism
har moj-e-gard-raah mire sar ko dosh hai
--
Malini
> I would like to add my candidates for the project - Lata's rendition of "har
> ek baat pe, kehte ho tum ki tuu kyaa hai...", from the mid-60's; for "ye na
> thii hamaari kismat...", I vote for Habib Wali Mo'hd.
>
> Happy Listenings
>
> Satish Kalra
Talking about Habib Wali Mo'hd, I recently happened to watch an
interview of him on TV. Apparently, he was the winner of the contest
that brought Mahendra Kapoor and Aarti mukherjee to limelight.
Mahendra Kapoor was second. It had about 1200 contestants. His family
never wanted him to take this as his profession and also he was a
little intimidated by the presence of well established singers of that
time - Rafi, Talat, Hemant, Mukesh. He did mention he sang for a few
Hindi movies of that time.
Like Lata, he also showed his displeasure at the remixes that are
happening today. Mainly he talked about how Fareeda Khanum is
popularizing 'aaj jaane kii zid na karo' as her song although the
music director had originally composed the song for a Pakistani movie
and had it delivered by Habib Wali in the movie.
- Malini
Satish Kalra
"Malini" <malin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6d82c617.03030...@posting.google.com...
Did he specifically mention that he was the winner of that contest and
Mahendra Kapoor came in second? I ask that because there was some
controversy about Mahendra Kapoor in that contest - it was 'alleged' that
Mahendra Kapoor was already a professional singer whereas the contest was
for amateurs only. From what I remember from that era, Mr. B.R. Chopra is
said to have intervened on behalf of Mahendra Kapoor, somewhat like on the
"grounds" that though Mr. Mahendra Kapoor had sung a song or two for films,
he had never been paid for them and hence he was not a "professional".
One of the rewards of winning that contest was that the winner was
guaranteed a song by at least five of the most 'popular' music directors of
the prevalent times (who were also among the judges of that 1956 contest)
like - Anil Biswas, Naushad, Shankar Jaikishan. C. Ramchandra, Vasant Desai.
Mr. Habib Wali Mohd's remarks bring an interesting twist re this contest.
As I mentioned above, the contest was held in 1956 (by Filmfare). Mahendra
Kapoor is reported to have sung his first Hindi film song sometime in 1953
(per Geet Kosh). Mr. Habib Wali Mohd. had also been singing already before
the time of this contest - like the 'version' of "dil men chhupaa ke pyaar
kaa tuufaan le chale.." from Aan (1952), and his ghazals 'ye na thii
hamaarii qismat.." and 'lagtaa nahiin hai..." were already quite popular by
the time this contest took place. That makes both of them "non-amateurs".
Aarati Mukherji, then, was the only real, amateur winner. :-)
I invite the likes of Dr. M.L. Kapur to post their observations from the
era past.
Sudhir
forgotten entity these days.
Taskeen Ko Hum No Royen Jo Zauk-e-Nazar Mile (very good)
Koyi Umeed Bar Nahin Aati (just o.k.)
C H Atma sang 3 + ghazals, including:
Kahoon Jo Haal-e-Dil (quite good)
Hairan Hoon Dil Ko Peetoon (very good)
+ already listed: Hazaron Khwahishen Aesi
Saigal sang many ghazals (I will list them, if some one has
interest in listening to them. Please post request)
Talat also sang some non-film ghazals, in addition to one from
Film: Mirza Ghalib
Sudhir
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chunn...@yahoo.com (Zuiderent) wrote in message > > > ...
Sudhir
============================================
My understanding has been that there were two separate contests. The
first was organized by Murphy Company (manufacturer of radios), in which
Habib Wali was the winner and he got the contract from HMV. He then
recorded the two songs, both of which were composed by: Saraswati Devi
and released on one 78 rpm record.
The next contest was organized by a group of film producers, in
collabration with Music Directors: Naushad, C. Ramchandra, Anil Biswas
and more.
Reading Satish ji's comments, it seems I was wrong.
---------------------
"Satish Kalra" <Satish...@verizon.net> wrote in message > > "Satish Kalra" >
Urzung Khan
Sudhir wrote:
>
> Malika Pukhraj rendered few ghazals , but it seems she is a
> forgotten entity these days.
>
> Taskeen Ko Hum No Royen Jo Zauk-e-Nazar Mile (very good)
>
> Koyi Umeed Bar Nahin Aati (just o.k.)
>
May be because her best recordings belong to prepartition era and
are very hard to find.
Another one is 'zulmat kadah meN mere ....'. She was the first to
to record this ghazal and her rendition is the best,IMO.
There is atleast one more but can't remember at the moment.
Urzung Khan
Malini
> "Malini" <malin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6d82c617.03030...@posting.google.com...
> > "Satish Kalra" <Satish...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<ixW9a.27037$8f7....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> >
> > > I would like to add my candidates for the project - Lata's rendition of
> "har
> > > ek baat pe, kehte ho tum ki tuu kyaa hai...", from the mid-60's; for "ye
> na
> > > thii hamaari kismat...", I vote for Habib Wali Mo'hd.
> > >
> > > Happy Listenings
> > >
> > > Satish Kalra
> >
> > Talking about Habib Wali Mo'hd, I recently happened to watch an
> > interview of him on TV. Apparently, he was the winner of the contest
> > that brought Mahendra Kapoor and Aarti mukherjee to limelight.
> > Mahendra Kapoor was second. It had about 1200 contestants. His family
> > never wanted him to take this as his profession and also he was a
> > little intimidated by the presence of well established singers of that
> > time - Rafi, Talat, Hemant, Mukesh. He did mention he sang for a few
> > Hindi movies of that time.
> >
> Mahendra Kapoor came in second? I ask that because there was some
> controversy about Mahendra Kapoor in that contest - it was 'alleged' that
> Mahendra Kapoor was already a professional singer whereas the contest was
> for amateurs only. From what I remember from that era, Mr. B.R. Chopra is
> said to have intervened on behalf of Mahendra Kapoor, somewhat like on the
> "grounds" that though Mr. Mahendra Kapoor had sung a song or two for films,
> he had never been paid for them and hence he was not a "professional".
>
> One of the rewards of winning that contest was that the winner was
> guaranteed a song by at least five of the most 'popular' music directors of
> the prevalent times (who were also among the judges of that 1956 contest)
> like - Anil Biswas, Naushad, Shankar Jaikishan. C. Ramchandra, Vasant Desai.
>
> Mr. Habib Wali Mohd's remarks bring an interesting twist re this contest.
> As I mentioned above, the contest was held in 1956 (by Filmfare). Mahendra
> Kapoor is reported to have sung his first Hindi film song sometime in 1953
> (per Geet Kosh). Mr. Habib Wali Mohd. had also been singing already before
> the time of this contest - like the 'version' of "dil men chhupaa ke pyaar
> kaa tuufaan le chale.." from Aan (1952), and his ghazals 'ye na thii
> hamaarii qismat.." and 'lagtaa nahiin hai..." were already quite popular by
> the time this contest took place. That makes both of them "non-amateurs".
>
> Aarati Mukherji, then, was the only real, amateur winner. :-)
>
> I invite the likes of Dr. M.L. Kapur to post their observations from the
> era past.
When Habib Wali mentioned that he was the winner, the interviewer
asked if it was the same contest in which Mahendra Kapoor was also a
winner. At that point he mentioned that yes he was second. May be he
didn't want to open a can of worm and so decided to not elaborate much
and passed it off by saying that MK was second.
-Malini
Surjit Singh
http://www.studio-systems.com/Playback&Fastforward/PlayBack/1988/JAN/47jan.htm
Quote:
mahendra Kapoor's eventful career began when he won the prestigious
Metro- -Murphy All-India Singers Contest in 1957.
Of course, this may have come from the horse's mouth, so.
Malini wrote:
> When Habib Wali mentioned that he was the winner, the interviewer
> asked if it was the same contest in which Mahendra Kapoor was also a
> winner. At that point he mentioned that yes he was second. May be he
> didn't want to open a can of worm and so decided to not elaborate much
> and passed it off by saying that MK was second.
> -Malini
--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
UVR
>
> Dear UVR:
>
> Many thanks to you too for your valuable input, and also for releasing
> it so dramatically :)) I'd, however, like to add that this *ghazal* is
> actually a qita (fragment), *inside* the ghazal "zulmat kade mein".
> The qita starts from the sixth sher of the Ghazal and goes till the
> maqta, "aate hain gheb se".
You're absolutely right! Now I am a bit confused: despite being aware
of all these intricate details about this Ghazal, you listed "ai taaza
waaridaan" as a separate Ghalib Ghazal. May I ask why?
Incidentally, IndianScreen.Com has a copy of Talat Mahmood's "dekhnaa
qismat ke aap apne pe rashk aa jaaye hai" (song #909). You may want
to listen to it and decide whether it qualifies for inclusion in your
list of "The 50 Best Ghalib Ghazals".
-UVR.
Zuiderent
> > it so dramatically :)) I'd, however, like to add that this *ghazal* is
> > actually a qita (fragment), *inside* the ghazal "zulmat kade mein".
> > The qita starts from the sixth sher of the Ghazal and goes till the
> > maqta, "aate hain gheb se".
>
> You're absolutely right! Now I am a bit confused: despite being aware
> of all these intricate details about this Ghazal, you listed "ai taaza
> waaridaan" as a separate Ghalib Ghazal. May I ask why?
I think the answer is very simple: I could *not* have enlisted the
qita -- sung by Rafi and composed by Khayyam -- under "zulmat kade
mein", as the entire rendition does not contain the said matla'. IMHO,
the only way of referring to that particular performance is "ai taaza
vaaridan".
By the way, I wonder who came up with the idea of having Rafi sing the
qita, instead of the entire ghazal (any ideas, RMIM?). But in any
event, it works wonderfully. The qita -- although not as unified as a
nazm would be -- is much more continuous than the ghazal and the
"admonishing" tone of the ashaar is beautifully captured by both the
tune and the golden voice of Rafi.
> Incidentally, IndianScreen.Com has a copy of Talat Mahmood's "dekhnaa
> qismat ke aap apne pe rashk aa jaaye hai" (song #909). You may want
> to listen to it and decide whether it qualifies for inclusion in your
> list of "The 50 Best Ghalib Ghazals".
I'm a Talat fan but have not been able to find any of his "non-film"
ghazals so far. Thanks for the info.
-Zd
Surjit Singh
> I'm a Talat fan but have not been able to find any of his "non-film"
> ghazals so far. Thanks for the info.
How about Hashmi's tasaviir tirii dil meraa bahalaa na sakegii that he
sang a long ago?
>
> -Zd
Surjit Singh
> Zuiderent wrote:
>
>> I'm a Talat fan but have not been able to find any of his "non-film"
>> ghazals so far. Thanks for the info.
>
>
> How about Hashmi's tasaviir tirii dil meraa bahalaa na sakegii that he
> sang a long ago?
Sorry, the extra lines. OK. Not.
UVR
> IMHO the only way of referring to that particular performance is
> "ai taaza vaaridan".
I don't agree with you at all, but what the heck. It's your
CD, your collection, your choice. Why should you care what
I dis/agree with? :)
> By the way, I wonder who came up with the idea of having Rafi sing the
> qita, instead of the entire ghazal (any ideas, RMIM?). But in any
> event, it works wonderfully. The qita -- although not as unified as a
> nazm would be -- is much more continuous than the ghazal and the
> "admonishing" tone of the ashaar is beautifully captured by both the
> tune and the golden voice of Rafi.
Absolutely! I had asked the same question (about whose
idea it was, etc) not more than a month ago on RMIM, but
didn't receive any answers, definitive or speculative.
I don't know why, but I have a feeling Khaiyyaam had
something to do with it.
> I'm a Talat fan but have not been able to find any of his "non-film"
> ghazals so far. Thanks for the info.
IndianScreen has put up several other Talat non-film
Ghazals (two others of Ghalib besides 'dekhnaa ...').
Khalid Mahmood also had a few mp3s up on his site a
couple of months ago. A number of them, of course,
are also available commercially.
-UVR.
Surjit Singh
> Surjit Singh wrote:
>
>> Zuiderent wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a Talat fan but have not been able to find any of his "non-film"
>>> ghazals so far. Thanks for the info.
>>
>>
>>
>> How about Hashmi's tasaviir tirii dil meraa bahalaa na sakegii that he
>> sang a long ago?
>
>
> Sorry, the extra lines. OK. Not.
To atone for that here is a fairly complete list of Recorded Non-Filmi
Gazals of Talat based on Khalid's website and Talat Geet Kosh. It is
alpha by the author.
Sanwar ke bazm mein azal,Ahsaan Danish,
Woh rang rang ke jalwe,Ahsaan Danish,Kamal Dasgupta
Ilteja e deed bhi maane nahin,Akhtar Azeem,C.K. Chauhan
Unki hasrat hai jise dil se,Amir Minai,Murli Manohar
Main nazar se pi raha hoon,Anwar Mirzapuri,Talat Mahmood
Naseeb e deed o dil azma ke laut aaye,Anwar Sabir,Murli Manohar
Bigde hue naseeb ka afsana hi to hoon,Baqar Ali Khan,Murli Manohar
Woh kare numaya aaj karen,Baqar Ali Khan,Murli Manohar
Dil hi to hai na aaye kyoon,Daagh,Raghunath Seth
Woh jaate hain,Daagh,Yunus Mallick
Ye to nahin ke tum sa jahan mein,Daagh,Yunus Mallick
Do kafir ankhon ne maara,Faiyyaz Hashmi,Talat Mahmood
Honton pe gulfishaan hai,Faiyyaz Hashmi,Talat Mahmood
Unke jalwe samet laaee hai,Faiyyaz Hashmi,Khaiyyam
Yaad dilwate hain woh yoon mera,Faiyyaz Hashmi,Ramzan Khan
Dono jahan teri,Faiz Ahmad Faiz,Talat Mahmood
Khuda woh waqt na laae,Faiz Ahmad Faiz,Talat Mahmood
Ghazal ke saaz uthao,Firaaq Gorakhpuri,Raghunath Seth
Bas ki dushwar hai har kaam ka,Ghalib,Murli Manohar
Bazeecha e atfal hai duniya mere aage,Ghalib,Murli Manohar
Dekhna kismet ki aap apne ,Ghalib,Taj Ahmad
Kabhi neki bhi uske ji mein,Ghalib,Taj Ahmad
Koi din gar zindagani aur hai,Ghalib,Khaiyyam
Naksh fariyadi hai,Ghalib,Khaiyyam
Us bazm mein mujhe nahin banti,Ghalib,Khaiyyam
Zikr us parivash ka,Ghalib,Murli Manohar
Aaj kisine baaton baaton mein,Ghulam Rabbani,Naseer Kadri
Tum hamsafar nahin to koi hamsafar,Ghulam Rabbani,Nasir Kadri
Bararen jism o jan hai,Hasrat Trimiji,Amar Singh Jasal
Woh khushi jo raaz e hayaat hai,Hasrat Trimiji,Amar Singh Jasal
Ghame e zindagi ka yaarab na mila koi,I.A. Minai,Chitta Rai
Raaten guzaar di hain,I.A. Minai,Girin Chakravorty
Gulshan mein leke chal kisi sehra mein,Ibraheem Ashk,Raghunath Seth
Har ek mod se milta hai,Ibraheem Ashk,Raghunath Seth
Dil pe jab teri inayat ki kami reheti hai,Ibraheem Faiz, /td
Roshni ban ke fizaaon mein,Ibrahim Faiz,Taj Ahmad
Rang laaee ab meri,Ishrat Jahan,Murli Manohar
Kaun kehta hai tujhe maine bhula,Jan Nissar Akhtar,Khaiyyam
Tujh mein jo baat hai,Jan Nissar Akhtar,Khaiyyam
Bekaif dil hai aur jiye ja raha hoon main,Jigar Moradabadi,Iqbal
Har ek soorat har ek,Jigar Moradabadi,Iqbal
Husn jis rang mein hota hai/b,Jigar Moradabadi,Taj Ahmad
Sabhi andaz e husn pyare,Jigar Moradabadi,Taj Ahmad
Shab e firaaq hai aur neend,Jigar Moradabadi,Taj Ahmad
Kabhi shaakh o sabzo barg par,Jigar Muradabadi,Taj Ahmad
Hua dil khoon lekin ashk e,Kadir Lucknavi,
Ankhon ankhon mein hai jo baat,Kaif Akrami,Yunus Mallick
Chehre par surkhi haya ki,Kaif Akrami,Yunus Mallick
Kahin sher o naghma ban kar,Khumar Barabankvi,Talat Mahmood
Jahan mein koi nahin hai apna,M.A. Kidwai,Durga Sen
Nigahon ko chura kar reh gae,Meher Kadir,Kamal Dasgupta
Asar usko zara nahin hota,Momin,Murli Manohar
Dil ki gehrai naap gar paate,Nishaat Hindi,C.K. Chauhan
Chupaee lakh mohabbat magar chupa na,Nusrat,Murli Manohar
Khizaan ke daur mein aese bhi kuch,Raaz Allahabadi,Murli Manohar
Falak ki god sitaron se khali khali hai,Raaz Illahabadi,C.K. Chauhan
Har chand zapt e shauk se,Raaz Illahabadi,Amar Singh Jasal
Mujhe kuch khabar bhi na ho saki,Raaz Illahabadi,C.K. Chauhan
Ye baja ke daur e bahar hai,Sagar Nizami,Kamal Dasgupta
Ankhon se door subah ke taare chale,Shakeel Badayuni,Hamid Hussain
Dil ke behelane ki tadbeer to hai,Shakeel Badayuni,Taj Ahmad
Gham e aashiqi se keh do,Shakeel Badayuni,Naseer Kadri
Hangama e gham se tang,Shakeel Badayuni,Taj Ahmad
Kahin ishq ka taqaza,Shakeel Badayuni,Taj Ahmad
Koi arzoo nahin koi,Shakeel Badayuni,Taj Ahmad
Meri zindagi hai zaalim,Shakeel Badayuni,Talat Mahmood
Rang laae gham e dauran,Shakeel Badayuni,Taj Ahmad
Roshni saya e zulmat se,Shakeel Badayuni,Taj Ahmad
Tumne ye kya sitam kiya,Shakeel Badayuni,Talat Mahmood
Unse ummeed e runumayi,Shakeel Badayuni,Hamid Hussain
Jo tu nahi to nazaron ka haal kya hoga,Shameem Abbas,Raghunath Seth
Gale lagaa ke jo sunte the,Shameem Jaipuri,Yunus Mallick
Kaabe se butkade se,Shameem Jaipuri,Murli Manohar
Mere hamnasheen mere hamnawa,Shameem Jaipuri,Yunus Mallick
Roshni lene chale the,Shameem Jaipuri,Yunus Mallick
Saghar o seheba mutrib o,Shameem Jaipuri,Murli Manohar
Unke aage gham e dil chupana pada,Shameem Jaipuri,Yunus Mallick
Main nahin jiske muqqadar mein,Shameem Shahbadi,C.K. Chauhan
Raat taaron se jab sanwarti hai,Shaukat Pardesi,Murli Manohar
Kuch aur poochiye ke haqeeqat na,Taskeen Qureishi,Yunus Mallick
Ankh padti hai kahin,Tishna,Khaiyyam
Aasman par koi ummeed ka tara,Zafar Gorakhpuri,C.K. Chauhan
Satish Kalra
news:3E6C3DF2...@yahoo.com...
> According to these guys:
>
>
http://www.studio-systems.com/Playback&Fastforward/PlayBack/1988/JAN/47jan.h
tm
>
> Quote:
> mahendra Kapoor's eventful career began when he won the prestigious
> Metro- -Murphy All-India Singers Contest in 1957.
I agree here - the contest may have been in 1957 and not 1956.
However, the article also goes on to say that though M. Kapoor had sung
earlier for some films, the Navrang song was his first as a professional
singer. I find that funny - isn't playback singing in films a
"professional" activity! Maybe there was some truth in that he 'did not get
paid' for singing those songs, and hence could be considered 'amaterur'.
I would like to invite Mr. Irfan Anwar into this discussion and shed some
light on the time frame of when Habib Wali Mohd. started to sing, and when
he migrated to Pakistan.
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
muditp...@gmail.com
I checked your post while trying to search for two Ghazals:
mudat hui hey yaar ko mehmaaN kiyey huey - Sudha Malhotra
buskeh dushwar hey her kaam ka aasaN honaa - Sudha Malhotra
As I saw them on your favorites list, I hope to get some information on how to get these two ghazals, either mp3 downloadable or in case there is a commercial CD or DVD for the same.
Please reply at your earliest convenience and let me know if you may provide your kind assistance to add these two great gems in my private collection.
Mudit
muditp...@gmail.com
mudat hui hey yaar ko mehmaaN kiyey huey - Sudha Malhotra
buskeh dushwar hey her kaam ka aasaN honaa - Sudha Malhotra