One of the most interesting trivias ( by Rakesh Bakshi) !!!
kcp
Did you know that my dad also composed music for almost 90 per cent of
the songs he wrote?? he asks. ?For instance, the songs Jab hum jawan
honge in Betaab and ?Mere naina sawan bhadon? in Mehbooban were
composed by my dad, although both were credited to R.D. Burman? I
remember my dad always whistled while writing lyrics. Obviously he
composed the tune while writing. That was one of the reasons why so
many producers wanted to work with him. He gave them lyrics, and the
tunes for free. I asked him once why he didn't take due credit for
composition. He answered, 'If I start taking credit for the tunes half
these producers would stop coming to me.They come to me because I can
keep their secrets.' That was a generation which supported each other
in a creative collaboration. Now it's all about who can cheat whom and
get away with it. That's why I kept away from the film industry for 10
years.?
shri37
argue about it.He should have said this when RD was living.
This is all humbug.If he as so great a composer he would not have
written songs but pursued career of a music director -which is more
lucrative.
asi...@my-deja.com
No idea about the story.
Btw, Anand Bakshi did sing in a "group" qawwali for Sholay. But it
didn't make it to the final cut of the film. [or iirc, the record]
Cheers
Arun
vijay...@my-deja.com
This duet from Mom Ki Gudiya features the
voices of Anand Bakshi & Asha Bhosale, IIRC.
To the best of my knowledge, Anand Bakshi has
singing credits in at least one other (60s?) film.
Vijay
surjit singh
When in doubt, giitaaayan it :)
http://giitaayan.com/search.asp?s=Anand+Bakshi&browse=Singer
>
> Vijay
vrk
The prelude to the charas song - just before "ke aaja terii yaad aayii"
has also been sung by anand bakshi.
V S Rawat
You are overly unhappy with the comment.
What he is saying is quite true. whenever a poet, even a ghazal
writer writes something, they are to take care of rhyming and
scale.
So, the fellow is right when he says that Anand Bakshi also did
the same, just like all other poets, lyrics writer did the same.
So, when Anand Bakshi sold the lyrics, he might have been
singing some part to the MD. He had rendered some film songs,
thus, he might be having some inclination towards singing and
MDs might have been allowing his this fun.
The question is: whether the MDs used that exact tune?
How does junior Bakshi know it? Does he have some recordings of
the said songs or some other songs in the voice of Anand Bakshi?
How does he remember some 30 years ago how hid father sang some
song while writing it, Anand Bakshi had written a lot many songs
to make it possible for anyone to remember the one time singing
of all.
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However, I would say that just because of the son's statement,
it is excessive of you to start saying that Anand bakshi should
have become an MD.
It is like those hundreds of software help group where when you
highlight some small problem you are facing, some pets of the
developer retort "take the source code and change yourself."
Becoming an MD is much more than just composing a tune. You read
a hindi newspaper, and trying to fit one news in some tune. You
would be able to do it, more or less. But that does not qualify
you to run to bollywood to become an MD.
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The son is fulfilling his duty by presenting his father in a
good light. No need to feel offended with that. RDB is also said
to have composed all tunes/ compositions for all SDB songs since
the day of his birth. But anyone can know how true or how false
it can be.
Get a "Take it easy" policy.
--
vrk
asi...@my-deja.com
>From Anupama Chopra's 'Sholay - The Making of a Classic'.
==
Soorma Bhopali would get to sing a song: there was room, the writers
decided, for a qawwali in the comedy track of the film. But Javed
suggested the chaar bhaand of Bhopal instead of a qawwali. Chaar
bhaand, a dying art is a composition sung by four groups, instead of
the qawwali's traditional two, with the audience enjoying the exchange
sitting in the middle of the four. Through Javed's contacts, a chaar
bhaand group was found in Bhopal. They came to Mumbai and played for
Pancham in his music room. He developed a qawwali along char bhaand
lines - an eight minute musical interplay of words and wit between four
singers. They lyrics:
Chaand sa koi chehra na pehloo main ho
To chaandni ka mazaa nahin aata
Jaam peekar sharaabi na gir jaaye to
Maikashi ka mazaa nahin aata.
(There is no joy in moonlight
Without the moon-faced one by my side
There is no joy in wine
If having drunk I do not stumble and fall.)
The singers were Kishore Kumar, Manna Dey, Bhupinder and Anand Bakshi
himself*. The qawwali was recorded but never shot - the film was
already longer than the requisite three hours. Bakshi was the most
disheartened. 'Perhaps if they had kept it,' he wonders, 'I might have
had a career as a singer.'
==
(*) among the musicians were Hariprasad Chaurasia and Shiv Kumar
Sharma.
Cheers
Arun
Satish Kalra
A question re. Jagdeep's role:
Long before Jagdeep typecast himself in the Soorma Bhopali image, that sytle
of dialogue was delivered by soemone else. That is to say Jagdeep's style
of dialogue delivery ws not original.
Quiz: Who was Jagdeep copying in Sholay?
--
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
bhagwa...@aol.com
I have no way of confirming this but I remember a friend of mine having
returned from Delhi at the time of Sholay's release being disappointed
that the UK release version excluded the qawwali. He swears that the
first Sholay release contained the qawwali and featured Dharmendra and
Amitabh.
Bhagwant
Prabhakar Vallury
> Becoming an MD is much more than just composing a tune. You read
> a hindi newspaper, and trying to fit one news in some tune. You
> would be able to do it, more or less. But that does not qualify
> you to run to bollywood to become an MD.
I disagree - becoming a renowned/popular MD has much more to do with how
good your assistants and arrangers are - I'd say 90% of the real work,
i.e., background, instrumentation, interludes, mixing levels, etc., is
the magic produced by anonymous geniuses.
The "masterji" makes the basic tune on a harmonium, maybe establishes
the taal, picks the singers - the finished product is left to the
assistants with the power of veto to the MD.
It is these assistants that should get the real credit for the creations
we hear.
I *seriously* doubt the ilk of Anu Malik, Bappi Lahiri, RDB, LP, and
many of the old, old ones are/were fully or even primarily responsible
for the final product. OTOH, SEL and Rahman seem to be much more in
charge of all facets of composition and production.
vP
surjit singh
bhagwa...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I have no way of confirming this but I remember a friend of mine having
> returned from Delhi at the time of Sholay's release being disappointed
> that the UK release version excluded the qawwali. He swears that the
> first Sholay release contained the qawwali and featured Dharmendra and
> Amitabh.
> Bhagwant
I saw Sholay about 8 times in Minerva, Bombay (where it premiered) from
very early to about one year after release. Never saw the qawwali.
Satish Kalra
news:1138813191.7...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> I have no way of confirming this but I remember a friend of mine having
> returned from Delhi at the time of Sholay's release being disappointed
> that the UK release version excluded the qawwali. He swears that the
> first Sholay release contained the qawwali and featured Dharmendra and
> Amitabh.
> Bhagwant
I saw the film on the first day of release in Delhi. The qawwaali wasn't
there.
Anant Rege
"Satish Kalra" <Satish...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qNWdnTKVHqS_S33e...@comcast.com...
> The Sholay qawaali was on the film's LP.
>
> A question re. Jagdeep's role:
>
> Long before Jagdeep typecast himself in the Soorma Bhopali image, that
> sytle of dialogue was delivered by soemone else. That is to say Jagdeep's
> style of dialogue delivery ws not original.
>
> Quiz: Who was Jagdeep copying in Sholay?
>
Kanhaiya Lal in Mother India?
Abhay Jain
<vijay...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1138736671.1...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> baaGo.n me.n bahaar aayi... aajaa aajaa
>
> This duet from Mom Ki Gudiya features the
> voices of Anand Bakshi & Asha Bhosale, IIRC.
>
That duet is by Lata and Anand Bakshi.
AJ
Satish Kalra
news:FqydneBb5Lg...@magma.ca...
Hint:
It was a 1971 film.
V S Rawat
--
bhagwa...@aol.com
mistaken. Yes the LP does contain the qawwali.
Perhaps I was hoping that somewhere in the Sippy collection there may
still exist an out-take of the picturised qawwali (if it ever was
shot); similar to the two endings which featured either the Police
turning up or Sanjeev Kumar wreaking vengeance on Gabbar Singh(Amjad
Khan).
Bhagwant
vrk
soormaa bhopali 'aitey' hii nahii hai.
at least thats what javed akhtar said in one of his interviews
kcp
> Perhaps I was hoping that somewhere in the Sippy collection there may
> still exist an out-take of the picturised qawwali (if it ever was
> shot);
Unfortunately it will be a dream....I have a recorded interview of
Ramesh Sippy ( in MP3 format - 1 hour - given to a radio station in
Dubai ) where he says that the qawwali was never picturised
KCP
Satish Kalra
news:1138892028.9...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> He was supposed to be copying the lisp of javed akhtar. hamaara naam
> soormaa bhopali 'aitey' hii nahii hai.
>
> at least thats what javed akhtar said in one of his interviews
>
The film had music by R. D. Burman. That should narrow your choices down.
:)
Satish Kalra
> soormaa bhopali 'aitey' hii nahii hai.
>
> at least thats what javed akhtar said in one of his interviews
>
No, Javed Akhtar is trying to take credit where it is not due.
Narendra
is it Kanhaiya Lal from Dushman?
- Narendra
asi...@my-deja.com
Before we get too hasty in dismissing JA, it must be said that Jagdeep
has validated JA's statement elsewhere. Apparently, many years before
Sholay was released, JA used to imitate his old Bhopal women relatives
during his conversations with Jagdeep. Jagdeep had copied it and
embellished it further during one of these conversations and it had
both of them in splits. Many years later, JA thought of him when he
wrote that role. [Of course, that a real life Soorma Bhopali existed
was not known to JA. After Sholay was released, Soorma Bhopali came to
Jagdeep and accused him of ruining his life.]
I could be that the person who did the 1971 film also got his accent
from the same source. Or it could be that it was sheer coincidence. JA
has had no qualms admitting the other sources of inspiration for Sholay
(story and characters). Why would he pick that one (relatively minor)
character to embellish the truth?
Cheers
Arun
asi...@my-deja.com
asi...@my-deja.com wrote:
I guess I was too hasty in typing this mail. :-)
> Before we get too hasty in dismissing JA, it must be said that Jagdeep
> has validated JA's statement elsewhere. Apparently, many years before
> Sholay was released, JA used to imitate his old Bhopal women relatives
I meant old (women) relatives from Bhopal.
> during his conversations with Jagdeep. Jagdeep had copied it and
> embellished it further during one of these conversations and it had
> both of them in splits. Many years later, JA thought of him when he
> wrote that role. [Of course, that a real life Soorma Bhopali existed
> was not known to JA. After Sholay was released, Soorma Bhopali came to
> Jagdeep and accused him of ruining his life.]
>
> I could be that the person who did the 1971 film also got his accent
It could be....[..]
> from the same source. Or it could be that it was sheer coincidence. JA
> has had no qualms admitting the other sources of inspiration for Sholay
> (story and characters). Why would he pick that one (relatively minor)
> character to embellish the truth?
>
> Cheers
> Arun
Cheers
Arun
Satish Kalra
"Narendra" <naren...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138931085.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Satishji,
> is it Kanhaiya Lal from Dushman?
>
> - Narendra
>
No.
Another hint:
{With the answer, I have the right to know the film's name too.}
It was by one of the most prominent villains the Hindi film industry has
known. If that doesn't give it away....:-)
Abhijit
Satish Kalra wrote:
>
> Another hint:
>
> {With the answer, I have the right to know the film's name too.}
>
> It was by one of the most prominent villains the Hindi film industry has
> known. If that doesn't give it away....:-)
>
mil gayaa, mil gayaa, buDDhaa (Ajit) mil gayaa?
Satish Kalra
"Abhijit" <nanhaf...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
news:1138945471.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
But Om Prakash is not one of the most prominenet villains Hindi film
industry had seen. Those names belong to Pran, Yakub, Madan Puri, Amrish
Puri, K.N. Singh, N.A. Ansari......, etc., not in any particular order.
The answer (the film's name) itself was also hinted at in my previous post,
which you quoted above. :)
Narendra
It's Pran in the movie 'Adhikar'. The character's name is Banne Khan
Bhopali.
- Narendra
Satish Kalra
Alright! You are now officially inducted into the RMIM Hall of Fame.
shri37
many anecdotes are told which can not be proved. ( Just as Naushad
saying KL told him only if N, had met him before he would not have
become alcoholic ) but I agree one has to take it easy ,, read it and
forget it, afterall they are trivias.
V S Rawat
> (deleted...)
> > Becoming an MD is much more than just composing a tune. You
> > read a hindi newspaper, and trying to fit one news in some
> > tune. You would be able to do it, more or less. But that
> > does not qualify you to run to bollywood to become an MD.
>
> I disagree - becoming a renowned/popular MD has much more to
> do with how good your assistants and arrangers are
There is slight logical deficiency in the above.
One can get assistants ONLY AFTER one becomes a renowned/popular
MD.
I don't think anybody would be insterested in becoming an
assistant to a fellow-struggler MD.
But, once an MD is a hit, then he will surely be crowded by
wannabe assistants.
Hence, a successful MD might be using assistants, even several
assistants, but that doesn't undermine the proven capability of
the MD.
What say?
> - I'd say
> 90% of the real work, i.e., background, instrumentation,
> interludes, mixing levels, etc., is the magic produced by
> anonymous geniuses.
>
> The "masterji" makes the basic tune on a harmonium, maybe
> establishes the taal, picks the singers - the finished product
> is left to the assistants with the power of veto to the MD.
>
> It is these assistants that should get the real credit for the
> creations we hear.
>
> I seriously doubt the ilk of Anu Malik, Bappi Lahiri, RDB, LP,
> and many of the old, old ones are/were fully or even primarily
> responsible for the final product. OTOH, SEL and Rahman seem
> to be much more in charge of all facets of composition and
> production.
>
> vP
--
Rawat
Abhay Jain
"shri37" <shr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139029076.0...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In this particular instance of Naushad and KL Saigal,
it is likely to be true. In real life, people who start
suffering due to bad habits and meet someone later who
gives some good advice, often say something to this effect
"If I had met you earlier, I would not done this thing".
AJ
Pramod
then according to the tune, the lyrics are written?
I've read about this in many interviews with MDs as well as lyricists.
for e.g., Shankar (of Shankar-Jaikishen) gave the example of "jaja jaa
mere bachpan" (as an exception to the rule) a tune which was composed
after the lyrics were finished. he narrated this in "Phool Khile hain
Gulshan Gulshan" an interview series compered by Tabassum in the 70s
and 80s. I think the episode with Shankar was in 1983 or 84.
Thus it is quite normal that the lyricist should know the tune when he
is writing his "poem"
best regards
Pramod Harvey
kcp schrieb:
> http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=10§name=Entertainment&sess=545607290
>
> Did you know that my dad also composed music for almost 90 per cent of
> the songs he wrote?? he asks. ?For instance, the songs Jab hum jawan
> honge in Betaab and ?Mere naina sawan bhadon? in Mehbooban were
> composed by my dad, although both were credited to R.D. Burman? I
> remember my dad always whistled while writing lyrics. Obviously he
> composed the tune while writing. That was one of the reasons why so
> many producers wanted to work with him. He gave them lyrics, and the
> tunes for free. I asked him once why he didn't take due credit for
> composition. He answered, 'If I start taking credit for the tunes half
> these producers would stop coming to me.They come to me because I can
> keep their secrets.' That was a generation which supported each other
> in a creative collaboration. Now it's all about who can cheat whom and
> get away with it. That's why I kept away from the film industry for 10
> years.?
V S Rawat
> The Sholay qawaali was on the film's LP.
>
> A question re. Jagdeep's role:
>
> Long before Jagdeep typecast himself in the Soorma Bhopali
> image, that sytle of dialogue was delivered by soemone else.
> That is to say Jagdeep's style of dialogue delivery ws not
> original.
>
> Quiz: Who was Jagdeep copying in Sholay?
On behalf of Sirs Gafoor, Binod Thapa, Satish Kalra, yeskey,
Alok Singhal and Madam Ritu, I deplore this post by Mr Shit-ish
Cholera because it is absolutely irrelevant and off-topic for
RMIM.
I am rephrasing the already posted thoughts of the members to
suit there general objection to this thread.
Mr Gafoor might wish to ask:
1.
> Is there anything about Indian music in that query, Dr. Satish
Kalra Maharaj?
2.
> It appears like an off-topic post to me.
3.
> How is it near to music?
4.
> Dr. Satish Kalra Maharaj,
> There are a lot of issues in this world. Nobody says that you
> shouldn't discuss them. But please find the right forum to
> discuss them.
>
> 100's of things are happening in the world & there are
> thousands of newsgroups for discussing these things. It
> requires only basic common sense to find the right forums for
> discussion. Why do you want to pollute this NG with these
> disccusions irrelevant to the charter of these events.
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Mr Binod Thapa might wish to ask:
> Kalra:
>
> I do not know who started this thread but I notice that you
> have taken a leading role in discussing a different line.
> Please could you show
> how they are connected to music, especially HFM, even if very
> remotely. I am at a loss to know whether I am beginning to get
> intolerant of these
> discussions as I click in vain in my attempts to garner more
> knowledge on HFM. Thanks.
Mr Satish Kalra might wish to say:
> If anything, we should all be ashamed of the person who
> started this thread to begin with - at least I am. Don't we
> all follow the news? No one else thought this topic worthy of
> posting on RMIM, because it simply doesn't belong here.
Uh. uh. It there any mistake made by me, or Mr Shit-ish Kalra
seems to be talking to himself and condemning himself?
What a phony, double standard person he is.
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yeskey might wish to ask:
> Have you gone mad? Do yo know what is meant by the charter of
> a ng? Get your stinking posts off this ng if they are not
> related to music.
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Ms Ritu might wish to asked
Satish Kalra:
1.
> This topic is not meant for this newsgroup
> Even though I did not want to prolong this thread by
responding, I
> did because (blah blah to explain why she is doing what she
doesn't
> want to do).
> And let's put an end on this topic now. Any further
> discussions can be carried on in other forums. RMIM does not
> need these threads.
And
2.
> Interesting extrapolation!!
>
> Did you have prozac today?
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Mr Alok Singhal might wish to remind:
> Q: How can I choose what groups to post in?
>
> A: Pick as many as you can, so that you get the widest
> audience. After all, the net exists to give you an audience.
> Ignore those who suggest you should only use groups where you
> think the article is highly appropriate. Pick all groups
> where anybody might even be slightly interested.
>
> Always make sure followups go to all the groups. In the rare
> event that you post a followup which contains something
> original, make sure you expand the list of groups. Never
> include a "Followup-to:" line in the header, since some people
> might miss part of the valuable discussion in the fringe
> groups.
>
> Q: How about an example?
>
> A: Ok. Let's say you want to report that Gretzky has been
> traded from the Oilers to the Kings. Now right away you might
> think rec.sport.hockey would be enough. WRONG. Many more
> people might be interested. This is a big trade! Since it's a
> NEWS article, it belongs in the news.* hierarchy as well. If
> you are a news admin, or there is one on your machine, try
> news.admin. If not, use news.misc.
>
> The Oilers are probably interested in geology, so try
> sci.geo.fluids. He is a big star, so post to sci.astro, and
> sci.space because they are also interested in stars. And of
> course comp.dcom.telecom because he was born in the birthplace
> of the telephone. And because he's Canadian, post to
> soc.culture.Ontario.southwestern. But that group doesn't
> exist, so cross-post to news.groups suggesting it should be
> created. With this many groups of interest, your article will
> be quite bizarre, so post to talk.bizarre as well. (And post
> to comp.std.mumps, since they hardly get any articles there,
> and a "comp" group will propagate your article further.)
>
> You may also find it is more fun to post the article once in
> each group. If you list all the newsgroups in the same
> article, some newsreaders will only show the article to the
> reader once! Don't tolerate this.
>
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Love live the charter of RMIM. Long live the policemen and
policewomen of RMIM.
RMIM is sure going to be a great place as you all are doing your
duties nicely.
Ending this post by verbatim quoting a post from Mr Ketan.
> Sigh! Turn your back for a minute and someone takes your
> policeman's job. :( Ab is budhaape main mujhe do waqt ki roti
> kahan se milegi?
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