Overrated Kishore Kumar
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First madrasi b*****d raviK and now another madrasi b*****d Raghavan.
Tell me why all madrasis are so SICK and PERVERT.
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anand_tiwari
In article , Guesswho? says...
>
>an old article reposted in public interest.
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>Subject: Re: Kishore Kumar / Rafi with Lata
>From: Raghavan <rag...@kiwi.tek.com>
>Date: 1996/12/25
>Message-ID: <59qnde$p...@bvadm.tek.com>
>Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
>
>With due regards these are my thoughts:
>
>Talking Of Gulzar/RDB/KK ,One Gulzar song where KK has fully messed up is
>the song from AAndhi.It was a complete washout on KK's side(a complete nasal
>rendition).
>
Welcome Welcome Welcome to the happy world of RMIM. Mr Guesswho
you are most welcome. Let me fill you with the latest happenings. RMIM
has just discovered that
Kishore Kumar was not only a overrated but a completely "raddi"
singer.
So your wonderful post about his not being able to take off (er did not
know that Lata Bai could fly on her own, of course :):)) in "Is mod
pe jaate hain" is old hat. In fact this post was a major disappointment
and let down. You did not mention from which source that Mahachor
RDB copied this song. I mean, i am sure this is a copied song. How else
that copycat, mahachor RDB survive otherwise? I think RDB was
a kleptomaniac. What do you think?
See it is a shame that this raddi Kishore Kumar was actually allowed by
MD's of the calibre of S.D Burman (father of that Mahachor RDB),
Salil Chaudhry, Hemant Kumar to sing and ruin the songs composed
by them. But see even that can be explained. All of them were bengali's.
Classic case of Bengali bengali bhaii bhaii.
Mr Guess who have you heard of "Guzar jaaye din din din". That
raddi KK took 18 (yes 17 + 1 = 18) retakes for this song. What a
shame and we at RMIM were so blissfully unaware of this raddi
singer's inabilities. Thank God we (fans of KK and RDB) have seen
light.
You seem to be a knowledgable and nice person. Please enlighten us more
about raddi KK and Mahachor RDB. We will be ever grateful to you.
regards
Anand
Guesswho?
an old article reposted in public interest.
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Subject: Re: Kishore Kumar / Rafi with Lata
From: Raghavan <rag...@kiwi.tek.com>
Date: 1996/12/25
Message-ID: <59qnde$p...@bvadm.tek.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
With due regards these are my thoughts:
Talking Of Gulzar/RDB/KK ,One Gulzar song where KK has fully messed up is
the song from AAndhi.It was a complete washout on KK's side(a complete nasal
rendition).
lata soars like a bird where Kishore completely fails to take off.Just listen
to the stanza
"AAndhi see tarah Utkar Paas aake palat thi hai
Sharamatee Hui koi ..." and after that Lata singing.(Another song where Lata
has smashed her male counterpart(Talat) to smithereens is Ae Sanam in Jahan
Ara)
Aandhi was a musical hit with thanks only to Lata.KK seems to be more of a
ghost voice.
RD used to give the lighter Gulzar songs to KK and the heavier ones to
Bhupinder.I cannot imagine KK singing Naam Gum Jaayega or Beeta Na Bitayee
Raina.Maybe KK had a lot of Vazan and it was OK with songs like
Musafir Hoon Yaron(parichay).One more thought : Why is KK so nasal in all
his RDB/Gulzar compositions.(Has it got to do with giving the song more vazan)
Kishore's hits do not necessarily test his singing skills.Agreed that a film
singer need not be as competent as any classical singer with the technical
aspects of singing such as singing in many octaves,maintaining the sur while
singing ,rendering thaans etc. but he should do a decent job when demanded.KK's
thans were awful like he was shivering in the cold(a lot of jarriness)
And that is where I feel KK was not a complete singer.The technical aspects
of his singing are with many flaws. Maybe Kk should
have learnt classical music to understand these finer points and then
rendered film songs.The same goes for Geeta Dutt and Suraiya who were excellent
in rendering a song with a lot of emotions but overlooked other virtues.
Raghavan.P
srinu...@hotmail.com
In article <63tia4$9...@drn.zippo.com>, Guesswho? says...
stars on which it was picturised.(Dev Anand,Amitabh and Rajesh Khanna)than the
bad singing of Kishore.As far as Anand Tiwari's question (why SDB used KK) is
concerned,i feel that only a MD of SDB's calibre could compose a song keeping
the singer in mind(I cannot imagine Rafi singing Mana Janab Ne Pukaraa nahin,
or kishore singing Aise to na dekho.)In the 70's as Kishore's name became
synonymous with success the MD's did not experiment much.I think RDB did not
do Justice to some songs because he signed so many films at a time and did
not do many retakes.
AK
hmmm and tell me why you don't know the rudiments of grammar.:-)
that should have been "perverted". aah well.
AK
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RNTSEN
>Talking Of Gulzar/RDB/KK ,One Gulzar song where KK has fully messed up is
>the song from AAndhi.It was a complete washout on KK's side(a complete nasal
>rendition).
>
>Song : Is Mod se Jaate hain
>
>lata soars like a bird where Kishore completely fails to take of
I think you are missing the point here!! Kishore is the only playback singer
who took pains to modify his voice depending on the the actors he was singing.
In Aandhi, is the classic example whereKK changes his voice according to the
progression of age (in the movie) of Sanjeev Kumar - the difference between "Is
Mod Pe Aaten" and "Tere bina Zindagi se" where as Lata sounds exactly the same
whoever any whenever she is singing.
Also I believe KK is the only singer listening to you can almost tell which
actor on the screen he is singing for.
As for overrating KK, that is a matter of opinion, and I disagree with yours.
Cheers
Raja Sen
Faez Nasrudin Kaiser
RNTSEN (rnt...@aol.com) wrote:
: >Talking Of Gulzar/RDB/KK ,One Gulzar song where KK has fully messed up is
: >the song from AAndhi.It was a complete washout on KK's side(a complete nasal
: >rendition).
: >
: >Song : Is Mod se Jaate hain
: >
: >lata soars like a bird where Kishore completely fails to take of
: I think you are missing the point here!! Kishore is the only playback singer
: who took pains to modify his voice depending on the the actors he was singing.
Ever heard of Rafi ? Dilip, Dev, Shammi Kapoor and Rajendra Kumar will all
testify that his brilliance played a significant part in their success.
Regards,
Faez
RNTSEN
>Ever heard of Rafi ? Dilip, Dev, Shammi Kapoor and Rajendra Kumar will all
>testify that his brilliance played a significant part in their success.
>
>
> Faez
Yep, sure have and he is great. Like him a lot.
But his tone modulation wasdirected more towards the situation and mood that
the song was picturized in than differentiating the actor on whom the song was
picturized in.
Take Dev from your example and compare the way KK sang for him and the way Rafi
sang for him to see what I am implying!!
Cheers
Raja Sen
Ashok
In article <654fak$r09$1...@hecate.umd.edu>, nasr...@Glue.umd.edu says...
>
>RNTSEN (rnt...@aol.com) wrote:
>: >Talking Of Gulzar/RDB/KK ,One Gulzar song where KK has fully messed up is
>: >the song from AAndhi.It was a complete washout on KK's side(a complete
nasal
>: >rendition).
>: >
>: >Song : Is Mod se Jaate hain
>: >
>: >lata soars like a bird where Kishore completely fails to take of
>
>: I think you are missing the point here!! Kishore is the only playback
singer
>: who took pains to modify his voice depending on the the actors he was
singing.
>
>testify that his brilliance played a significant part in their success.
>
> Faez
>
And don't forget the best actor of them all--Johny Walker. You can
generally tell that the song is picturized on him, especially because
many of them carry words spoken by Johny Walker himself!
Ashok