Anuradha Paudwal is the grestest!
JUKY1
For those of you that said Anuradha paudwal can not be compared to lata,
You are right. I don't think there is any comparison between Anuradha
Paudwal and lata.
Although what someone termed "Besuri Awazz" I think can be more
appropiately attributed to lata AS SHE is NOW. Mind you I have said 'as
she is now', she has no feeling in her songs now and even her voice
sounds very similar to fingernails scratching on metal. Yes she can still
SING, with voice variety and so forth...but she is just too old for
romantic songs. A normal young person simply can not imagine oneself with
his/her admirer AND lata singing in the background. It just is not
possible.
Yes I am the first to admit lata WAS the best singer that ever was, but
she doesn't HAVE IT ANY MORE. I used to and still like her songs but
those are the songs that she sang when she was a lot younger and I don't
think anyone can sing most of them the way she sang them.
When it come to nowadays songs, I don't think there is any one who can do
better than Anuradha Paudwal's Devotional songs. Lata doesn't even come
close to the word 'Devotional' so I guess Anuradha is the undisputed
leader in this category.
In film songs I can understand if you prefer lata, but I don't think there
have been any better musical movies than Ashiqui, Dil hai ke Manta Nahin,
Sajaan, Sangeet, etc. Besides the songs lata sings can not be even
cmpared...like the Kuch Na Kaho -- from 1942 A love Story, which she
totally destroyed. I never knew it was supposed to be sad until I saw the
movie. That song nearly made me thorow up ...and I am sure her too.
With gazal I think the two are equal and it depends on one personal
choices. Altough lata's voice is slightly distracting she can sing
slightly better even at this age.
And with romantic lata nowadays is just Zero. She doesn't have any sparks
to her melody. It sounds grossly mechanical.
All in all I think lata was a great singer if not the greatest but it is
just simply time for her to retire and let the changing times and her age
take precedence. A lot of people these day simply do not speak out
against lata because everybody seems to take lata's reputation for
granted, but I am sure if they could be just convinced to judge lata for
her songs and not her reputation, her certificate of reputation would
expire.
Though I admit if you think Anuradha Paudwal is not the most friendly
person off the recording studio and lata does a lot of charity. But what
is really important is the songs they sing not their personal life.
I am glad Anuradha Paudwal is comming back to the film music scene. She
should one again regain her championship belt which she voluntarily gave
up for 7 year to sing devotinoal songs.
The best aspect of Anuradha Paudwal's singing is that she is so
meticulous, sharp, steady, and so melodious at times that it can literally
tingle your heart. She also sings with such feeling times that you feel
you are not in the song, that the song is in you, BUT that YOU AND THE
SONG ARE ONE.
// My name is Rajib Banerjee. I am a student and am 20 years old.
// I listen to music almost everyday and often listen 5 hours a day.
// When I listen to music I do nothing else but close my eyes and
// listen. Some times I even listen to the same album for months
// always listen to all my other music too. I never get tired of the
// music that I keep. Therefore when replying please don't just
// say I don't have an ear for music. Music is the only other thing
// that makes much difference to me...not even money matters to
// me.
//
// Rajib Banerjee <rban...@aamu.edu>
S. Saxena
would just like to add .. that today i was watching ABHIMAAN and
wondering for what reason did SDB make AP sing that SHLOK (where AB sees
JB for teh first time)..(i am not saying that AP did a bad job.. in fact
she was really good) couldn't LM have done a good job?? well this seems
another of SDB's idiosyncracies...
Rajiv Shridhar
S. Saxena (ssa...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: would just like to add .. that today i was watching ABHIMAAN and
Well, as told by Anuradha Paudwal herself, the story goes: Her husband Arun
worked in some capacity with S.D. Burman, and she used to accompany him to
the recording studios where she would sometimes fill in as the female singer
in rehearsals (while the tune was being finalized, orchestra was practising
etc.). At a trial run of the recording for this piece, Arun asked her to get
up and fill in as the singer, and she did. She didn't know until much later
on, that SDB had decided to keep that piece instead of asking Lata to sing
it over. I think she also said that Lata herself heard it and asked SDB to
use Paudwal's version.
That, by the way, was Paudwal's first recorded number in Hindi films.
I saw Abhimaan too yesterday (the Z TV movie), and it was quite interesting
that SDB not only used Paudwal for the small shloka, but Lata's song follows
right after that ("nadiyaa kinaare..."). Also, that he used Rafi for one
song "Terii bindiyaa re" with Lata, and Manhar for one duet "luuTe ko_ii
man kaa nagar, ban ke meraa saathii" with Lata, while all the solos are
by Kishore.
Maybe he used Manhar because he wanted to have Amitabh's character
come off looking less "pratibhaashaalii" than Jaya's character in that
song; after all that song is where Amitabh and Jaya start recording
together, and from where Jaya's career outshines Amitabh's. Did Manhar
come off sounding lacklustre and less accomplished against Lata in this
song?
Then what is the reason for having Rafi sing "terii bindiyaa re" with
Lata? Just married, in the marraige reception, Amitabh and Jaya sing
together for the first time. Here, Rafi definitely is on par with Lata.
Best,
Rajiv
--
Rajiv Shridhar
Communications & Digital Signal Processing Research Center
230B Egan Research, Northeastern University, Boston, MA 02115
ra...@cdsp.neu.edu, ra...@coe.neu.edu
Pavan Kumar Desikan
Rajiv Shridhar (ra...@chopin.coe.neu.edu) wrote:
: S. Saxena (ssa...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: : would just like to add .. that today i was watching ABHIMAAN and
: : wondering for what reason did SDB make AP sing that SHLOK (where AB sees
: : JB for teh first time)..(i am not saying that AP did a bad job.. in fact
: : she was really good) couldn't LM have done a good job?? well this seems
: : another of SDB's idiosyncracies...
: Well, as told by Anuradha Paudwal herself, the story goes: Her husband Arun
: Maybe he used Manhar because he wanted to have Amitabh's character
: come off looking less "pratibhaashaalii" than Jaya's character in that
: song; after all that song is where Amitabh and Jaya start recording
: together, and from where Jaya's career outshines Amitabh's. Did Manhar
: come off sounding lacklustre and less accomplished against Lata in this
: song?
Well the grandma's tale goes(:)): Manhar was filling in for Mukesh(Find it
difficult to believe that SDB wanted to use Mukesh), but when Mukesh heard
the rendition by Manhar, he asked SDB to keep that version and not
re-record it. Why did SDB want to use Mukesh? No idea..
: Then what is the reason for having Rafi sing "terii bindiyaa re" with
: Lata? Just married, in the marraige reception, Amitabh and Jaya sing
: together for the first time. Here, Rafi definitely is on par with Lata.
BTW where does the song "tere mere milan kii ye rainaa" coem in the movie?
: Best,
: Rajiv
--
Pavan Kumar Desikan
http://www.cs.duke.edu/~pkd
Any man who goes to the psychiatrist ought to have his head examined.
- Samuel Goldwyn
S. Saxena
On 4 Aug 1997, Pavan Kumar Desikan wrote:
> Rajiv Shridhar (ra...@chopin.coe.neu.edu) wrote:
> : S. Saxena (ssa...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>
> Well the grandma's tale goes(:)): Manhar was filling in for Mukesh(Find it
> difficult to believe that SDB wanted to use Mukesh), but when Mukesh heard
> the rendition by Manhar, he asked SDB to keep that version and not
> re-record it. Why did SDB want to use Mukesh? No idea..
I think Mukesh would have sounded good too... in this song Manhar sings
through his nose like Mukesh an di think this song is really neat:-)
>
> : Then what is the reason for having Rafi sing "terii bindiyaa re" with
> : Lata? Just married, in the marraige reception, Amitabh and Jaya sing
> : together for the first time. Here, Rafi definitely is on par with Lata.
well, while watching th emovie i was thinking that it was after this song
that David says that AB is making a mistake by singing with JB as Jaya
is more talented and it goes
on to show nothing but the fact that Rafi comes nowhere near LM.
Sorry Rafians!!!!
> BTW where does the song "tere mere milan kii ye rainaa" coem in the movie?
It is twice... just the mukhda after they get married, but the whole song
is right in the end (when Ab and Asrani and David are trying their level
best to make Jaya react).
Nazir Patel
And as long as her fans want her,why should anyone insist
on her retirement.Like I said Anuradha has failed in many
of the songs she has rendered for films,but she does have
a number of sweet songs mostly the ones that are slow and
does not need any high notes.I prefer Alka and Kavita
among the new singers.Anuradha can be a part of the group.
The last few years Lata has sung quite a number of hit
songs.What more does one expect?
S. Saxena
> JUKY1 wrote:
> >
> > For those of you that said Anuradha paudwal can not be compared to lata,
> > You are right. I don't think there is any comparison between Anuradha
> > Paudwal and lata.
> > Although what someone termed "Besuri Awazz" I think can be more
> > appropiately attributed to lata AS SHE is NOW. Mind you I have said 'as
> > // Rajib Banerjee <rban...@aamu.edu>
> The last few years Lata has sung quite a number of hit
> songs.What more does one expect?
A hit song does not necessarily qualify it for a good one!!!
So what we expect from LM are good songs.. like the ones lately that she
sang in Libaas, Lekin.... yes, " Kesariya Baalma ...." and " Seeli Hawa
Choo gayee..." are good songs but not hit ones....
Songs like.. " Ole Ole.." and "chura ke dil mera..." types are hit #s but
i would not put them in the category of good songs!!
Asam
> Hi all,
An interesting posting at an appropriate time. At a time
when threads of 2 other postings were only getting lengthened by the
hour, your posting only seems right in place. I am really surprised that
the attacks haven't yet started. Shouts of "sacrilege" et al are bound
to come within a couple of days. So watch out!!! :-) As regards
your claims I agree with your claim that AP is the greatest singer of
India TODAY. With LM and AB on the wane and S. Janaki too not in the
reckoning, I would say AP is the No.1 singer in India today. She is
definitely better than Alka and Kavitha. But if you meant that AP is the
all time best, I wouldn't agree at all. I would place all the above
three ahead of her.
The problem with fans of earlier singers (me included) is heavy
prejudice. There is this inherent assumption that they are THE best and
nobody could even come close to beating them. They are often glorified
out of proportions with each person giving his/her own interpretation to
some song sung in some year, which the singer would himself/herself
would be amused to read. Agreed that they (LM, AB, Rafi, KK) were great
and it is difficult to emulate them but it is not that they are the
limit. Readers from the south would agree with me if I say that SPB,
Yesudas and S.Janaki would also deserve to be in the same group as them.
Their talent is no less commendable. The gap between AP and LM as is
between Sonu Nigam and Rafi is not as great as it is portrayed to be.
When I posted a message saying AP sounded better than Lata in a
few songs in her tribute series, there was a huge uproar. Any singer
however great he/she maybe would have had a bad day and would not have
sung a few songs in their career to the best extent possible by them. If
now another singer (AP vs Lata or Sonu Nigam vs Rafi) does manage to
sing a few songs better, I see no reason why they should not be given
credit for that. That wouldn't by default make them better singers
anyway.
LM of today really needs retirement. hers is a closed chapter.
She will long be remembered as the greatest singer India has ever
produced unless someone (watch out for Suneethi Chauhan) comes along
with a better repertoire which is a daunting task no doubt.
BTW LM is my favourite singer.
Asam
Arunabha
Hi all,
Well since you have so long anticipated brickbats on this issue, I think
it will be unfair if we do not shower some, :-) , so here goes :
In article <33EBBFBE...@monmouth.com>, Asam says...
>
>> Hi all,
>
> An interesting posting at an appropriate time. At a time
>when threads of 2 other postings were only getting lengthened by the
>hour, your posting only seems right in place. I am really surprised that
>the attacks haven't yet started. Shouts of "sacrilege" et al are bound
>to come within a couple of days. So watch out!!! :-)
SACRILEGE !!!!!!! I'll issue a fatwah soon !
As regards
>your claims I agree with your claim that AP is the greatest singer of
>India TODAY. With LM and AB on the wane and S. Janaki too not in the
>reckoning, I would say AP is the No.1 singer in India today. She is
>definitely better than Alka and Kavitha.
Of these the only statement that I agree with is that LM and Asha are on the
decline. They still take Ap gfor a ride anyday. I'm sure, even their first cries
after they were born must have sounded oodles more melodic than AP's tantrums
:-:-)
Though i admit I cannot hope to corroborate this :-( , and "Kanoon ko saboot
chahiye " :-( And no, i think IMHO Alka and Kavita are far better. In
retrospect, they have sung songs which have been mildly pleasing to good , which
is not the case for AP. Even the touted "Bahut pyar karte hain tumse sanam"
sounds like a mockery of ghazal and film song alike (IMHO !!!!!) .
Interestingly, there was time, when I agreed with your view that AP > LM . How
I shudder to think of that day : Horror of horrors . It was when she was raining
her series of bhajans . I'll give her this much : she has a sweet voice , but
that is it. The nuances of sweet rendition are unfortunately missing. The
greatest tribute I can honestly give AP is that I never knew that the Shiva
Stotra in Abhimaan was by her and not Lata; also I thought it was one of the
best sweet sounds of that movie track.But anywhere she tries to sing more than a
stanza, the unpleasntness comes in real quick. Maybe, in a world in which LM and
AB were absent, i could have become a fan of AP. But in the presence of these
two luminaries, NEVER. And I give Kavita >= Alka >= Ap, personally. In my
opinion, give her average nos. in filmi songs and she's OK (though Saajan is an
exception ) . Try on her a nice tune, even mildly difficult , and she is bound
to flop.
But if you meant that AP is the
>all time best, I wouldn't agree at all. I would place all the above
>three ahead of her.
O fcourse this shows that your heart is in the right place, and you are c
onsequently fred from much gaali- galauch :-)
> The problem with fans of earlier singers (me included) is heavy
>prejudice. There is this inherent assumption that they are THE best and
>nobody could even come close to beating them.
I def. agree with you here, including myself in your list.
> When I posted a message saying AP sounded better than Lata in a
>few songs in her tribute series, there was a huge uproar. Any singer
>however great he/she maybe would have had a bad day and would not have
>sung a few songs in their career to the best extent possible by them.
No doubt, a lot of trash has been put out buy the two Mangeshkar sisters, but
their average, and AP's average do not even compare. Now, I think one line of
attack can be: maybe md's never tried their good songs on her , and then, a la
Lata fans, I'll say :why not ? Then a la Asha fans, you'll say there was a clout
, and they were biased, etc. etc. But the one point of Asha waadis is that when
the few MD's gave Asha good songs , she proved worthy of them. According to me,
the ghazals in Dooriyaan were such good songs, and a good singer could have done
lots more. Anyway I digress. Of course there could be references to the KK_ Rafi
war here too : how do you know that AP would not have been able to sing a
classical song ?, etc etc , but ...
If
>now another singer (AP vs Lata or Sonu Nigam vs Rafi) does manage to
>sing a few songs better, I see no reason why they should not be given
>credit for that. That wouldn't by default make them better singers
>anyway.
India desperately needs one more incarnation of excellent singers, but
accompanied by another incarnation of excellent MD's. Otherwise they will be
unutilized like Chitra to sing Yaaron sun lo zara and other rubbish. Both must
come simultaneously. I think all hope is not lost. Often on TVS Sa re ga ma, I
have felt that the singer sang the song as well as Lata/ Asha/ KK . Of course
there is a difference between rendering someone's past version, and actually
breathing life into a new virgin tune of an MD, but at least voice wise, I think
good singers exist.
> LM of today really needs retirement. hers is a closed chapter.
>She will long be remembered as the greatest singer India has ever
>produced unless someone (watch out for Suneethi Chauhan)
PLEASE GIVE ME SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PERSON. WHO IS SHE AND WHAT HAS SHE
SUNG ? I WILL BE HAPPIER THAN EVER IF AN ANSWER TO THE MANGESHKARS HAS ARRIVED.
comes along
>with a better repertoire which is a daunting task no doubt.
I think the final hour is not yet come. Personally I think she should have one
reallly good song per film, suited to her voice, for the sake of nostalgia
and also the fact that she can do some good stuff even now. (however little it
may be), better than the new crop. (Well, this is my biased view)
> BTW LM is my favourite singer.
Btw LM is my seci=ond most afvourite singer.
>Asam
>
>
Madhusudan
In article <5sj71i$6...@drn.zippo.com>, "Arunabha" says...
>
>Hi all,
> Well since you have so long anticipated brickbats on this issue, I think
>it will be unfair if we do not shower some, :-) , so here goes :
>
>In article <33EBBFBE...@monmouth.com>, Asam says...
>>
<stuff deleted..>
>
>> LM of today really needs retirement. hers is a closed chapter.
>>She will long be remembered as the greatest singer India has ever
>>produced unless someone (watch out for Suneethi Chauhan)
>
>PLEASE GIVE ME SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PERSON. WHO IS SHE AND WHAT HAS SHE
>SUNG ? I WILL BE HAPPIER THAN EVER IF AN ANSWER TO THE MANGESHKARS HAS ARRIVED.
Suneethi Chauhan is a 14 year old kid. I had the opportunity to watch her
live in one of those Megastars show here in the Bay Area last year.
She was definitely impressive! Never appeared that it was a 14 year old
singing. Great voice control and modulation! She didnt sing too many songs
in the show. One I remember was "mera piya ghar aaya.." from Yaarana
(the original in the movie is probably someone else).
I think she has sung some song in 'Bombay', although I am not sure.
Could someone confirm ?
Dont know if she is an answer or question to Lata :-), but definitely
someone to watch out for. Would like to get some more information
about other songs that she has sung in movies.
-Madhusudan
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Ashok
In article <33EBBFBE...@monmouth.com>, chri...@monmouth.com says...
>
>> Hi all,
>
> An interesting posting at an appropriate time. At a time
>when threads of 2 other postings were only getting lengthened by the
>hour, your posting only seems right in place. I am really surprised that
>the attacks haven't yet started. Shouts of "sacrilege" et al are bound
>to come within a couple of days. So watch out!!! :-)
This is a case of "desire to be taken seriously" being a given a varnish
of paranoia! The iconoclastic efforts have been weak so far. Take the
very title of the thread and what was in the article. The bark turned
out be much worse than the bite. :)
>Readers from the south would agree with me if I say that SPB,
>Yesudas and S.Janaki would also deserve to be in the same group as them.
>Their talent is no less commendable.
No, I would not agree. SPB cannot hold a candle to PBS (P.B. Srrinivos).
P. Susheela was a better singer than Janaki. Ghantasala and Saundararajan
were also very important singers.
>The gap between AP and LM as is
>between Sonu Nigam and Rafi is not as great as it is portrayed to be.
If you mean the statement to hold for version songs, it is perhaps true,
but it is no credit to AP and SN, going by what you yourself and Chetan
have said about the creative role of the singer in implementing the
musical idea of the music director. As far as original songs are concerned,
neither AP or SN has come close to demonstrating it. I must say that as
matters stand today the two gaps are as wide as the world. AP perhaps
had the potential as a singer to narrow the gap (Sonu Nigam still does).
But I don't think AP had what it takes: dedication, self-critical nature,
drive toward perfection, focus on long-term goals, the will to resist
cheap small-time rewards, and so on.
> When I posted a message saying AP sounded better than Lata in a
>few songs in her tribute series, there was a huge uproar. Any singer
>however great he/she maybe would have had a bad day and would not have
>sung a few songs in their career to the best extent possible by them. If
>now another singer (AP vs Lata or Sonu Nigam vs Rafi) does manage to
>sing a few songs better, I see no reason why they should not be given
>credit for that. That wouldn't by default make them better singers
>anyway.
You haven't addressed Chetan's conceptual objection to your assertions
(as I mentioned above, your earlier post about the role of the singer
goes to support Chetan's stand): by definition, the Platonic ideal object
of a Lata song is the Lata song itself. The best that AP can do is to
reproduce it exactly. (Excluding the cases where the original songs has
an error; such cases are not unknown). The question of AP version being
better comes only if she offers a different interpretation of the song.
> LM of today really needs retirement. hers is a closed chapter.
>She will long be remembered as the greatest singer India has ever
>produced unless someone (watch out for Suneethi Chauhan) comes along
>with a better repertoire which is a daunting task no doubt.
>
> BTW LM is my favourite singer.
>
>Asam
>
>
A question here. Isn't her name Sunidhi?
Ashok
venkat pedibhotla
(Ashok) (AshokM.Dhareshwar) wrote:
: In article <33EBBFBE...@monmouth.com>, chri...@monmouth.com says...
: >
: >> Hi all,
: >
: > An interesting posting at an appropriate time. At a time
: >when threads of 2 other postings were only getting lengthened by the
: >hour, your posting only seems right in place. I am really surprised that
: >the attacks haven't yet started. Shouts of "sacrilege" et al are bound
: >to come within a couple of days. So watch out!!! :-)
: This is a case of "desire to be taken seriously" being a given a varnish
: of paranoia! The iconoclastic efforts have been weak so far. Take the
: very title of the thread and what was in the article. The bark turned
: out be much worse than the bite. :)
: >Readers from the south would agree with me if I say that SPB,
: >Yesudas and S.Janaki would also deserve to be in the same group as them.
: >Their talent is no less commendable.
: No, I would not agree. SPB cannot hold a candle to PBS (P.B. Srrinivos).
: P. Susheela was a better singer than Janaki. Ghantasala and Saundararajan
: were also very important singers.
: Ashok
This message is for Ashok.
First, there is no formal statistical way of comparing one singer is
better than the other unlike in football or cricket et al. So most of
the thoughts expressed here are w/o the real numbers and are only opinions.
Some (not me) may think Sanu as the best ever and someone may say
Daggar (again not me) as the best. As you know these are all opinions.
However, when you put a statement it should be mature and with
substance. PB Srinivas had a good run in Kannada before SPB outplaced
him. That means the MDs preferred SPB over PBS. Try to look at the
figures. SPB in last 30 years had sung over 30,000 songs. The records
speak for themselves. The same thing goes for Yesudas too. In the
modern era two names that stand out from the rest in the South are SPB
na dYesudas. If you don't know how good they are ask me....and I teach
you more on that.
Venkat
Sanjeev Kumar
U.V. Ravindra wrote:
> I haven't heard too many of the old Kannada film songs but PBS' old
> Telugu hits are really melodious and lovely. In contrast, the little
> that I have heard of Dr. Raj Kumar singing for himself has invariably
> provided cause for complaint in the form of off-key singing and
> frequent 'apaswara'-s. Whether this has happened only of late (old
> age being the cause), or whether he has always had a below-par voice,
> I'd like to know. Can someone educate me about this? Ashok?
His initial songs were quite difficult to hear. Later, he improved
a lot. He was (is) good for filmi-type songs which are light and
doesn't require heavy control of one's voice. All apaswara's (besur!)
were in his initial songs. Even now, his semi-classical based songs,
tho popular, are not being liked by purists. He even won the national
award for singing besur in that particular song. Some say that he has
killed Thodi raga in that song. His aalapane's are real pain, sometimes!
>
> Also, I'd appreciate some soundtrack and song recommendations from old
> Kannada films.
I would recommend:
Classical:
---------
1. Hamsa-geethe (sung be Dr. BalaMuraliKrishna - divinly great!)
2. Sandhyaraga
- Nambide ninna naama (Dr. Bhimsen Joshi and SJ)
- Deena na bandiruve (PBS)
3. Kanakadasa (PBS songs are immortal in this film -
- Kallu sakkareya koLLiru
- Baagilanu teredu
- Badukidenu Badukidenu and many more
4. Jagadekaveerana kathe
- Shiva Shankari Shivanandalahari (Ghantasala)
Light:
-----
1. Yeradu Kanasu (Great songs by Rajan-Nagendra - The SJ, LP and KA
of Kannada films)
- Yendendu Ninnanu marethu (PBS, SJ)
- Baadi Hoda BaLi inda (PBS)
- Poojisalende hoogala tande (SJ)
- Indu yenage govinda (Purandara dasara pada - SJ)
2. Hombisilu (R-N with songs by SPB, SJanaki)
- Neera bittu nelada mele (SPB)
- Jeeva veene miditada (SPB, SJanaki)
- Hoovinda hoovige (SJanaki)
3. Sakshatkara (PBS - Januma Janumada Anubhanda, etc)
and many more
*****************************************************************
Sanjeev Kumar
e-mail:san...@lucent.com
*****************************************************************
Surajit Bose
venkat pedibhotla wrote:
> First, there is no formal statistical way of comparing one singer is
> better than the other unlike in football or cricket et al. So most of
> the thoughts expressed here are w/o the real numbers and are only opinions.
> Some (not me) may think Sanu as the best ever and someone may say
> Daggar (again not me) as the best. As you know these are all opinions.
> However, when you put a statement it should be mature and with
> substance. PB Srinivas had a good run in Kannada before SPB outplaced
> him. That means the MDs preferred SPB over PBS. Try to look at the
> figures. SPB in last 30 years had sung over 30,000 songs. The records
> speak for themselves. The same thing goes for Yesudas too. In the
> modern era two names that stand out from the rest in the South are SPB
> na dYesudas. If you don't know how good they are ask me....and I teach
> you more on that.
Let me see. You start off by saying that singers can't be compared
because singing is not susceptible to statistical analysis. Then you go
on to cite statistics to prove that SPB > PBS. Nice piece of logic.
Quite apart from the fact that your procedure contradicts your stated
principle, your assumptions themselves are open to question. You're
assuming:
1. That statistics are the only way in which comparisons and judgments
can be made ["since singing cannot be statistically analyzed, singers
can't be compared"]
2. That quantity equals quality ["since SPB sang thousands of songs, he
is a good singer"]
3. That popularity is an indicator of caliber ["since SPB is popular, he
is a good singer"]
4. That anybody who holds an opinion different from yours is ipso facto
immature and in need of tutelage ["I can teach you that"], and
5. That your tutelage will be effective.
I rather doubt that any of these assumptions are warranted. :-)
-s
Venkatesh Jagadeeshwara
In article <5sqb99$s...@crcnis3.unl.edu>, v...@unlinfo.unl.edu (venkat
|> better than the other unlike in football or cricket et al. So most of
|> the thoughts expressed here are w/o the real numbers and are only
|> opinions.
|> Some (not me) may think Sanu as the best ever and someone may say
|> Daggar (again not me) as the best. As you know these are all opinions.
|> However, when you put a statement it should be mature and with
|> substance. PB Srinivas had a good run in Kannada before SPB outplaced
|> him. That means the MDs preferred SPB over PBS.
PB Srinivas used to be the default playback singer for all Dr.Raj starer
movies.
Dr.Raj Kumar starting singing his own songs sometime from 1974(Sampathigae
Sawal).SPB till now has sung only two songs for Dr.Raj.
SPB dominated kannada films after 1975.Even before that most of the songs
are
sung by either SPB or PBS.
Venkatesh
Venkatesh Jagadeeshwara
In article <33F0C0...@informix.com>, "U.V. Ravindra"
<ravi...@informix.com> writes:
|> Venkatesh Jagadeeshwara wrote:
|> >
|> > PB Srinivas used to be the default playback singer for all Dr.Raj
|> starer
|> > movies.
|> > Dr.Raj Kumar starting singing his own songs sometime from
|> 1974(Sampathigae
|> > Sawal).SPB till now has sung only two songs for Dr.Raj.
|> >
|> > SPB dominated kannada films after 1975.Even before that most of the
|> songs
|> > are
|> > sung by either SPB or PBS.
|>
|> Telugu
|> hits are really melodious and lovely. In contrast, the little that I
|> have
|> heard of Dr. Raj Kumar singing for himself has invariably provided
|> cause
|> for complaint in the form of off-key singing and frequent 'apaswara'-s.
|> Whether this has happened only of late (old age being the cause), or
|> whether he has always had a below-par voice, I'd like to know. Can
|> someone
|> educate me about this? Ashok?
|>
|> Kannada films.
|>
|> Ravindra.
|>
|> > Venkatesh
Dr.Raj won the National Award for best singer for his song "Naadamaya yee
lokavella" from the film "Jeevana Chaitra".
If you listen to this song you may change your opinion.Due to ill health
and
old age his voice has gone bad and is not singing that good.
He also has sung some songs for his son in the recent hit movie "Janumada
Jodi".
Venkatesh
U.V. Ravindra
Sanjeev Kumar
U.V. Ravindra wrote:
>
> I haven't heard too many of the old Kannada film songs but PBS' old
> Telugu hits are really melodious and lovely. In contrast, the
> little that I have heard of Dr. Raj Kumar singing for himself has
> invariably provided cause for complaint in the form of off-key singing and frequent 'apaswara'-s.
> Whether this has happened only of late (old age being the cause), or
> whether he has always had a below-par voice, I'd like to know. Can
> someone
> educate me about this? Ashok?
>
> Also, I'd appreciate some soundtrack and song recommendations from old
> Kannada films.
>
> Regards,
> Ravindra.
>
> > Venkatesh
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Madhusudan (ma...@csl.sri.com) wrote:
:
:
:
: Suneethi Chauhan is a 14 year old kid. I had the opportunity to watch her
: She was definitely impressive! Never appeared that it was a 14 year old
: singing. Great voice control and modulation! She didnt sing too many songs
: in the show. One I remember was "mera piya ghar aaya.." from Yaarana
: (the original in the movie is probably someone else).
:
: I think she has sung some song in 'Bombay', although I am not sure.
: Could someone confirm ?
:
: Dont know if she is an answer or question to Lata :-), but definitely
: someone to watch out for. Would like to get some more information
: about other songs that she has sung in movies.
Whenever a new singer arises why this idea of he/she being an
answer or question to somebody should come. Treat her as a new
point in the three dimensional space, find out her uniqueness rather
then trying to compare her with some other already existing point.
Due to such comparision her originality is never emphasised. Eg.,.
Sonu Nigam. Suneeti has more volume in her voice than the usual female
singers. Please nite this.
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venkat pedibhotla
Surajit Bose (bos...@nd.edu) wrote:
: venkat pedibhotla wrote:
: > First, there is no formal statistical way of comparing one singer is
: > better than the other unlike in football or cricket et al. So most of
: > the thoughts expressed here are w/o the real numbers and are only opinions.
: > Some (not me) may think Sanu as the best ever and someone may say
: > Daggar (again not me) as the best. As you know these are all opinions.
: > However, when you put a statement it should be mature and with
: > substance. PB Srinivas had a good run in Kannada before SPB outplaced
: > him. That means the MDs preferred SPB over PBS. Try to look at the
: > figures. SPB in last 30 years had sung over 30,000 songs. The records
: > speak for themselves. The same thing goes for Yesudas too. In the
: > modern era two names that stand out from the rest in the South are SPB
: > na dYesudas. If you don't know how good they are ask me....and I teach
: > you more on that.
: Let me see. You start off by saying that singers can't be compared
: because singing is not susceptible to statistical analysis. Then you go
: on to cite statistics to prove that SPB > PBS. Nice piece of logic.
Bose.....you are mistaken. I guess you haven't had a chance to read
the article somebody named ASHOK posted before. SO I will pardon your
ignorance. Someone started the posting by putting 'AP is the
greatest"- (not me). For that I was contradicting that there is no way
to measure on absolute terms who can be greatest.
: Quite apart from the fact that your procedure contradicts your stated
: principle, your assumptions themselves are open to question. You're
: assuming:
: 1. That statistics are the only way in which comparisons and judgments
: can be made ["since singing cannot be statistically analyzed, singers
: can't be compared"]
By now you must have realized ignorance is not bliss
: 2. That quantity equals quality ["since SPB sang thousands of songs, he
: is a good singer"]
I never mentioned in my posting that SPB is a better singer than PBS.
In the previous article Ashok mentioned that SPB can't even come close
to PBS. I was just putting down some stats on SPB just to let me know
that SPB is no skunk of the river- with 6 national awards to his
credit.
: 3. That popularity is an indicator of caliber ["since SPB is popular, he
: is a good singer"]
Again, you have a skewed thinking....I didn't make that statement.
: 4. That anybody who holds an opinion different from yours is ipso facto
: immature and in need of tutelage ["I can teach you that"], and
On the contrary if someone can't support his staements, sure, he could
use help just like you.
: 5. That your tutelage will be effective.
Give it a shot.
: I rather doubt that any of these assumptions are warranted. :-)
Bose....if you are making aurguments contrary to what I made, I don't
mind a bit. However, make sure you read all articles before airing
your statements.
: -s
-V
Nitin Sharma
Asam (chri...@monmouth.com) wrote:
:
: LM and AB is besides the point. Also, I have never stated AP > LM. All I
: said was she sung a few of LM's songs better than LM herself.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is *all* you said?
maane, iske aagey bhi koi gunjaaish rah gayi?? :-)
-nitin
Sanjeev Kumar
> Asam (chri...@monmouth.com) wrote:
> :
> : LM and AB is besides the point. Also, I have never stated AP > LM. All I
> : said was she sung a few of LM's songs better than LM herself.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
songs which AY had sung, she argued about how LM had re-recorded
some song of KavitaK (Boy, she is KK too!) of 1942 ALS. So, if LM
can do it, why shouldn't she do it. Also, in another instance, when
she was asked why she is going about paying tributes to a whole bunch
of old guys all of sudden, she said that if LM can do it in
Shradhanjali, why can't she do it.
Don't you think such singers who do nothing but imitiate and
ape is not worth even a mention. I mean, such attempts of
a singer should be shunned and overlooked! I feel she is not credible
enough to pay tributes to old time greats!. LM atleast had 50 years of a
glorious singing career and she must have felt the need to remember
her contemporaries (who have worked with her and are no more).
Who cares if she has sung better than LM or not, when her motives are
so dubious and sleazy!
Sanjeev (Simply Red!)
JUKY1
>AP is underrated
>Today sheis the best India has got.
I don't think I could have put it any better!!!!!!!!! (offcourse someone
would have to look at the tense correctly which is right).
> LM atleast had 50 years of a glorious singing career
> and she must have felt the need to remember her
> contemporaries (who have worked with her and are no more).
heheheh...Isn't it time someone sings a tribute to LM...may be
Anuradha P..... hehehheh hahahah....
> In some interview, When AP was asked why she had
> re-recorded some songs which AY had sung, she argued
> about how LM had re-recorded some song of KavitaK
> (Boy, she is KK too!) of 1942 ALS. So, if LM can do it, why
> shouldn't she do it. Also, in another instance, when
> she was asked why she is going about paying tributes to a
> whole bunch of old guys all of sudden, she said that if
> LM can do it in Shradhanjali, why can't she do it.
Sanjay, seriously don't you think the passage really makes sense??
Vandana Venkatesan
U.V. Ravindra (ravi...@informix.com) wrote:
=> IMO, the Shraddhanjali series of cassettes is by far the worst
=> non-film album I've heard from Lata. Her pitiful renditions of
=> everything starting songs of The KLS and Pankaj Mullick ('yeh
=> raaten, yeh mausam'), thru Rafi ('man re' -- Chitralekha) and
=> KK (which song of his did she sing) -- are none of them worth
=> being mentioned. One Shraddhanjali cassette was bad, two was
=> the last straw, for me.
Lata sings a small portion of K.L. Saigal's "mai.n kyaa jaanuu.n kyaa
jaaduu hai" in the HMV series "Lata in her own voice". I wonder when
it was recorded because Lata sounds absolutely mesmerizing. Could
someone provide the details for the original KLS song and the lyrics?
When someone talked recently about Lata's magic wand, I was instantly
reminded of her singing "mai.n kyaa jaanuu.n kyaa jaaduu hai". :) :)
Vandana vven...@pcocd2.intel.com
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Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
> Lata sings a small portion of K.L. Saigal's "mai.n kyaa jaanuu.n kyaa
> jaaduu hai" in the HMV series "Lata in her own voice". I wonder when
> it was recorded because Lata sounds absolutely mesmerizing. Could
> someone provide the details for the original KLS song and the lyrics?
>
> When someone talked recently about Lata's magic wand, I was instantly
> reminded of her singing "mai.n kyaa jaanuu.n kyaa jaaduu hai". :) :)
I had heard the original by Sehgal a long time ago, I think Lata
has sung the complete song. Many of Sehgal's songs are mesmerizing,
including "So ja rajkumari", also sung by Lata.
Yashwant
Pavan Kumar Desikan
vven...@pcocd2.intel.com (Vandana Venkatesan) writes:
> Lata sings a small portion of K.L. Saigal's "mai.n kyaa jaanuu.n kyaa
> jaaduu hai" in the HMV series "Lata in her own voice". I wonder when
> it was recorded because Lata sounds absolutely mesmerizing. Could
> someone provide the details for the original KLS song and the lyrics?
You found the Lata version mesmerising? I believe you have now run out of
adjectives to describe the Saigal version.:)
The lyrics can be found in (where else but)
ITRANS -- song #1295
The pstats are missing. One of my favorite Saigal songs.
>
> When someone talked recently about Lata's magic wand, I was instantly
> reminded of her singing "mai.n kyaa jaanuu.n kyaa jaaduu hai". :) :)
>
>
> Vandana vven...@pcocd2.intel.com
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Muss...@hotmail.com
In article <yvesovq...@kestrel.cs.duke.edu>,
Pavan Kumar Desikan <p...@kestrel.cs.duke.edu> wrote:
>
>
> vven...@pcocd2.intel.com (Vandana Venkatesan) writes:
>
> > Lata sings a small portion of K.L. Saigal's "mai.n kyaa jaanuu.n kyaa
> > jaaduu hai" in the HMV series "Lata in her own voice". I wonder when
> > it was recorded because Lata sounds absolutely mesmerizing. Could
> > someone provide the details for the original KLS song and the lyrics?
>
> You found the Lata version mesmerising? I believe you have now run out of
> adjectives to describe the Saigal version.:)
>
> The lyrics can be found in (where else but)
> ITRANS -- song #1295
> The pstats are missing. One of my favorite Saigal songs.
This song is from the movie ZINDAGII(1940). This was Saigal's 18th movie
out of a total of about 28. This Fab musical also included the Lori "So
jaa raajkumaarii so ja" (included in Lata's Sharadhanjali) along with
several other beautiful songs.
Mussafir
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