Various Tributes to Panchamda on Vividhbharati
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04/01/2006 19:45 hrs
INSE MILIYE - MANOHARI SINGH ON PANCHAM
Manohari Singh, the noted saxophone and flute player, was closely
associated with R D Burman, being a member of his team of musicians.
Here are some excerpts from his interview in which he speaks about
the evergreen music director.
When did you first meet Pancham and how was it?
"First time I met him was in S D Burman's recording in Bombay Labs.
Salil Choudhury had brought me from Calcutta in 1958. S D Burman was
doing the background music of 'Sitaaron Se Aage' in Bombay labs.
Salilda took me there and introduced me to Burman dada. Pancham and
Laxmikant were sitting there, they were musicians there. I was
introduced to Pancham as well, his age was about 26/27 that time. He
asked me if I had come from Bengal. Jaidev, who was the assistant of
Burman dada, was also present there.. They asked me to play few
pieces. I played on my metal flute. Few days later I was called."
Which was the first song in which you played flute or saxophone for
Pancham?
"In the first song of Pancham in the film Chhote Nawab, I had played
flute."
You yourself being musician, what do you think of Pancham as a music
director?
"His depth of composition is very deep, his knowledge of Indian music
is also very rich. He could sustain the sweetness of Indian music in
his songs inspite of using western colours."
Can you cite one example to prove this?
"Take the Teesri Manzil song - O haseena zulfonwaali. Beautiful
melody is there, later in the song you can find some flute pieces,
the comes the trumpet, guitar, etc. So how many different colours are
there in this single song!"
How many piece orchestra was used for this song?
"There were 80 to 85 musicians in this song, 30 to 40 were used for
violins, then there were brass, trumpets, guitar, base-guitar, etc,
and it was a live recording, not like the track system of the present
day."
Tell us something about the 'mehbooba mehbooba' song of Sholay.
"In that song I had played Suprano instrument. It was this song by
which Pancham introduced this instrument in the film music. He also
introduced several other instruments like the Nepali 'Maadal', the
bottle (soda bottle)."
>From bottle, I remember that in 'chura liya hai tumne' song, ek glass
was used in the prelude.
"Yes, the situation in the film was something like party was going
on, atmosphereis that someone is drinking, someone made some sounds
in the glass. For your information, real glass was used in this song.
In this song Bhupendra had played guitar, George Fernandez played
trumpet and Uttam Singh had played violin. Uttam Singh has played all
violin solos in all his songs."
Would you like to play some Pancham tune on your saxophone by which
you would like to pay him tribute?
Manohari Singh plays the tune of "Humein aur jeene ki chaahat na hoti
agar tum na hote" on his saxophone.
INTERVIEWER: YUNUS KHAN
THE END
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1986 - Jaimala
mere pyaare fauji bhaiyon, aap sabko Pancham ka pranaam. maaf
keejiye, aap log mujhe jaante pehchaante hain R D Burman ke naam se.
yeh meri khushnaseebi hai ki aaj phir se aap ke saath kcuh samay
bitaane ka mauka mila. aaj chand gaane lekar aaya hoon, gaane to
bahut hai par samay bahut kam hai, to suniye pehla geet film Ram Tere
Kitna Naam film se, gaana aap bataaiye kaun sa hai!
Song: Insaaniyat hi sabse pehla dharm hai insaan ka (Ram Tere Kitne
Naam)
kahiye, kaisa lagaa? aayiye ab puraane 'time' mein chalte hain. mujhe
pehla 'break' mila tha Chhote Nawab film mein. Bambai aane ke baad
aur mere pitaji ke 'assistant' ke roop mein kaam karne ke baad mujhe
yeh film mila tha. us waqt main bilkul 'serious' naheen tha aur yunhi
hanste khelte mazaak mein yeh film ban gaya. Mahmood, mere dost ne
mujhse kaha ki hum tumko ek 'picture' denge, tumko uska 'music' karna
paDega, pehla gaana hum chaahte hain ki aap Lata bai se gawaayen. woh
gaana tha "ghar aaja ghir aaye badra saanvariya"
Song: Ghar aaja ghir aaye (Chhote Nawab)
ab aap bataaiye, pehla 'break' ka gaana Theek lagaa? uske baad meri
jo baDee film, baDee yaani ki jiska 'star cast' baDaa ho, woh film
thi Teesri Manzil, is film se mujhe naam aur 'recognization' mila,
sab log bolne lage ki yeh alag 'type' ka 'music' detaa hai, 'modern
type' ka. is flm ka pehla gaana banaakar main Ashaji aur Rafi saahab
ke ghar gaya, unse kaha ki yeh gaana 'producer, director', Shammi
Kapoor, sabhi ko bahut pasand hai, Rafi saahab ko kaha ki aap ko
ismein Shammi Kapoor ke 'style' mein gaana paDega. dono ne gaana
sunkar kaha ki is gaane ke liye to 4/5 'rehearsal' dene paDenge. yeh
sunkar main bahut 'proud feel' karne lagaa ki itne baDe 'singers' log
keh rahen hain ki mere geet ke liye 4/5 'rehearsals' dene paDenge, to
suniye yeh gaana.
Song: O haseena zulfon waali (Teesri Manzil)
to yeh tha 'duet' jise Ashaji aur Rafi saahab ne gaaya tha. ab mere
pitaaji S D Burman aur mere baare mein kuchh kehna chaahoonga. mere
pitaaji ne mujhe bachpan mein 'classical music' ki shiksha dilwaaee.
woh kehte the ki agar ek sangeetkaar 'folk music' naheen jaanta aur
agar usne kabhi gaaon naheen dekhaa hai to woh kabhi achchha
sangeetkaar naheen ban saktaa. us samay mujhe naheen tha, lagaa ki ho
bhi sakta hai, naheen bhi ho sakta hai, par ab lagta hai ki shastriya
sangeet aur 'folk music' ko milaakar bahut achchhe achchhe gaane ban
sakte hain. is gaane ke baare mein aapka kya khayaal hai boliye!
Song: Raina beeti jaaye Shyam na aaye (Amar Prem)
haan fauji bhaiyon, ek baat aap ko yaad karaa doon. waise main 1955
ke 'december' se mere pitaaji ka 'assistant' raha hoon, 'film
industry' mein kaise kaam hota hai, unhone mujhe seekhaaya. phir mere
naam se hi mujhe kaam milne lage. ek 'producer; hain jinke saath main
1967 se kaam kar raha hoon, unka naam main baad mein bataayunga, yeh
Bharat mein '1st time record' huya hai ki unhone jitne bhi filmen
banaaee, un sab mein maine 'music' diya. unka naam hai Ramesh Behl.
unhi ki ek film ka gaana aap ko sunwaata hoon. is gaane ka
jo 'rhythm' hai, kisi ne usey kisi 'instrument' par bajaaya naheen
hai, yeh 'computerized' tha jisey humne baad mein gaane mein 'dub'
kar diya.
Song: Tu rooTha to main ro doongi sanam (Jawani)
doston, aur ek kissa aap ko bataata hoon, bahut hi mazedaar kissa
hai. ek baar mere pitaaji sangeetkaar Roshan ke saath gap-shap kar
rahe the, saath khaana khaa rahe the. Roshanji ne mere pitaji ko kaha
ki dada, dekhiye maine ek gaana banaaya hai jiska 'meter' aap ke ek
gaane se maine liya hai, par 'tune' alag hai. pitaaji ne poochha ki
kaun sa gaana hai? unhone kahaa (sings) "rahe na rahe hum mehka
karenge" aur jis gaane se maine is gaane ka 'meter' liya woh gaana
hai (sings) "ThanDi hawaayen lehraa ke aaye". to aisa hi maine bhi
sochaa ki 'meter' leke alag dhun deke gaana banaaya jaa sakta hai.
film Saagar ka jo 'main' gaana tha "saagar kinaare dil yeh pukaare",
usey maine isi 'meter' par banaaya. to ab aap bataaiye gaana kaisa
banaa?
Song: Saagar kinaare dil yeh pukaare (Saagar)
doston, ab main apne ek priya dost ke liye kuchh kahoonga, Gulzar.
woh mere ghar gaana likhne aata hai, 'direction' bhi detaa hai, uske
saath mera bahut jamtaa hai. lekin jab woh gaana likhne baiThta hai
to hamaari dushmani shuru ho jaati hai kyunki uske geet ko samajhne
ke liye mujhe 1 ya 1.5 ghanTe lagte hain aur main jab uski dhun
banaata hoon to usey samajhne mein unhe 2 din lag jaate hain. 2/3 din
ke baad jab dono ko ek doosre ka kaam samajh mein aa jaata hai to
dushmani khatam hoti hai. bahut din pehle film Parichay ke samay ek
din main kisi kaaran se bahut dukhi tha. Gulzar aaye aur kaha ki
agar 'mood' ho to yeh gaana banaa dena. gaana paDhte hi ek 'minute'
ke andar maine dhun banaa diya kyunki main dukhi tha aur gaane
ka 'mood' bhi kuchh aisa hi tha. 2 din ke andar gaana 'record' bhi
kar liya.
Song: Musaafir hoon yaaron (Parichay)
fauji bhaiyon, yeh dosti aur dushmani ki baat to aap ne sun hi liya,
ek aur dost hai, jo naa to koi gaayak hai, na lekhak, na 'dancer' aur
naa hi koi 'musician'. woh 'actor' hai, jab woh Bombay mein 'college'
mein paDhta tha tab se main usey jaanta hoon, hamaari gehri dosti ho
gayi, ek saath khaana, 'discussions' ,kaisi 'picture' honi chaahiye,
yeh sab hum baat karte the. uski pehli 'picture' mein maine 'music'
diya tha, aaj woh 'producer' ban gaya hai. main 'picture' ka naam
naheen bataayunga aur na hi uska naam bataayunga, aap pehle geet
suniye aur khud bataaiye ki woh dost aur dushman kaun hai?
Song: Dil mein aag lagaaye saawan ka maheena (Alag Alag)
doston, ab aap ko maaloom ho gaya hoga ki mera woh dost hai Rajesh
Khanna. ab main mere pitaaji S D Burman ke baare mein kuchh kahoonga.
woh kabhi meri taarif naheen karte the. main kitna bhi achchha dhun
kyun na banaayun, woh yahi kehte ki isse bhi achchha ban sakta tha,
aur koshish karo. ek baar woh 'morning walk' se waapas aakar behad
khushi ke saath bole ki aaj ek baDe maze ki baat ho gayi hai. woh
bole ki aaj tak jab bhi main 'walk' ke liye nikalta tha, log kehte
the ki "dekho S D Burman jaa rahe hain", par aaj wohi logon ne kahaa
ki "dekho R D Burman ka baap jaa raha hai". yeh sunkar main hans
paDaa, woh bhi hans paDe, hum sab bahut khush huye. unhi ke geet se
yeh 'programme' samaapt karna chaahoonga, film ka naam hai Guide.
Song: Allah megh de paani de chhaya de (Guide)
fauji bhaiyon, aaj ka yeh karyakram yaheen khatam karta hoon, Jai
Hind!
THE END
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04/01/2006 16:00 to 17:00 hrs
MUSAFIR HOON YAARON
A musical discussion of Asha Bhosle, Gulzar & R D Burman recorded
years back in the Vividh Bharati studio.
AB: Asha Bhosle
GZ: Gulzar
RD: R D Burman
NOTE: Some insignificant words that frequently occur in a discussion
like 'jee haan' etc have been excluded in certain places of the
transcript.
Song: Musafir hoon yaaron (Parichay)
AB: shrotaaon ko R D Burman saahab, Gulzar saahab aur main Asha
Bhosle namaskaar karte hain.
GZ: Namaskaar
RD: Gulzar, aap ne namaskaar kiya, main bhi karta hoon
GZ: Dil Padosi Hai ke baad aaj hum phir paDos mein baiThe hain,
Bambai ki zindegi mein phir mauka mila saath baiThne ka
RD: Ashaji, aapko yaad hai koi geet jo aapne kafi mehnat se gaaya
hoga?
AB: Haan, ek geet aapne toDi mein banaya tha. waise toDi mein dha se
pancham lagaana chaahiye, par filmi geet mein agar poora ka poora
raag waise hi rakh diya jaaye to us raag par aadharit sabhi geet ek
jaise hi lagenge. thoDi bahut 'change' karke agar geeton ko Dhaala
jaaye to ek nayapan bhi aata hai aur sunne mein bhi achchha lagta hai.
GZ: Haan sahi baat hai, agar 'classical music' ko misaal banaakar koi
film ban rahi hai tab alag bat hai.
RD: Gulzar, aap ko yaad hai "bheeni bheeni bhor' album ka yeh pehla
gaana rakha tha humne?
AB: Gulzar bhai, aap ne is gaane mein "goTa" shabd ka bahut
khoobsurat istemaal kiya tha.
GZ: sone ki chamak ki 'similies' hamare filmi geeton mein kaafi paaya
jaata hai, kabhi aag se, kabhi dhoop se. 'But all that glitters is
not gold' (all 3 laughsO), hamaare yahaan shaadi mein goTedaar chunri
dekhne ko milti hai, to usi se maine yeh liya tha.
AB: Lekin aapne to baadal ko goTa lagaya tha na?
GZ: mujhe lagta tha ki gote ki jo chunri hai woh bahut hi khoobsurat
hai. Ashaji, aap ne kahaa ki Pancham ne toDi ka "chalan" badlaa.
mujhe to hamesha hi iske chaal chalan pe shaque raha hai (all 3 burst
into laughter), aap ne kaha ki inhone apna chalan badla! (continues
laughing)
RD: yeh subah ka gaana tha, isme humne murgiyon ki awaaz Daali thi,
bahut saare 'sound effects' the ki jisse subah ka 'atmosphere' saamne
aaye, ek aadat ho chukee thee, ab aap isey chalan kahiye, aise koi
raag ban jaata hai, 'mood' ban jaata hai.
Song: Bheeni bheeni bhor aayi (Dil Padosi Hai)
GZ: "dil DhoonDta hai fursat ke raat din, baiThe rahe yunhi tasavvur
re jaana kiye huye", Ghalib ka yeh sher maine istemaal kiya tha,
kuchh sheron mein maine is tarah ke nazmon ka istemaal kiya hai. woh
kaise fursat ke din honge jiski talaash Ghalib kar rahe the? Is gaane
ke liye film mein 'hero' chhuTTiyon ki talaash kar raha hai, isliye
maine Ghalib ki is sher ko le liya.
RD: Waah!
AB: "fursat" shabd bahut khoobsurat lagta hai is gaane mein (sings
the first line of the song)
Song: Dil dhoondta hai phir wohi (Mausam)
GZ: Yeh Madan Mohan saahab ka kamaal tha, woh to ustaad the
RD: Bahut hi achchhe 'music director' the
AB: Ek baat hai, Madan bhaiya ne ghazal, Thumri, kajri par bahut
gaane banaaye hain.
RD: woh Akhtari Bai, Siddheshwari Bai jaise kalakaaron ko itna sunte
the, aur ek aur baat, woh khaana bhi bahut achchha banaate the, aap
ko pataa hai?
GZ: main to swaad se bataa detaa tha ki yeh Madan bhaisahab ne
banaaya hai.
RD: woh mere pitaji ke liye banaakar laate the, TinDe gosht
AB: maine to bhinDi gosht khaaya hai
GZ: pataa naheen lekin sangeet aur 'cooking' ka kya 'relation' hai,
maine bahut se 'music directors' dekhen hain jo bahut baDhiya khaana
banaate hain, jaise Madan Mohan, Salil Choudhury, Alla Rakha Khan aur
Pancham. Ashaji aur Pancham saath lage rehte hain (Asha & RD laughs)
RD: Ustad Ali Akbar Khan mujhe yaad aa gaye, unse main bachpan
mein 'classical music' seekhta tha. log kehte hain ki meri
dhune 'westernized' hain, 'modern' hain, par tumhare (Gulzar ke)
saath to 'western music' ka sawaal hi naheen uThta.
AB: Burman saahab, Ghar film mein ek gaana tha "tere bina jeeya jaaye
na", pataa naheen aap kahaan kahaan se 'rhythm' DhoonD kar le aate
haina ur hum 'singers' ko bhugatna paDta hai, tabley pe aap ne woh
kya kiya tha bataaiye?
RD: Haan, ismein maine jis sur mein mukhDa khatam ho raha hai, usi
sur mein maadal bajaaya. maadal moTe munh ka hota hai
AB: achchha to woh tabla naheen maadal tha?
GZ: to sunte hain ki aapne us geet mein kya kartab dikhaaya tha.
Song: Tere bina jeeya jaaye na (Ghar)
AB: Burman saahab, ek aur gaana tha "raina beeti jaaye"
RD: yeh gaana kaise yaad aa gaya?
AB: yeh raag aap ne raat ko kaise de diya?
RD: parde par?
AB: jee haan
RD: gaana banaate 'time' yeh pataa naheen tha ki film mein kis waqt
yeh gaaya jaayega. gaana ban gaya, sabko bahut achchha lag gaya, phir
pata chala ki raat ka waqt hai, koThe mein 'heroine' gaa rahi hai.
Gulzar ko maaloom hoga, yeh 'director' hain, ki raagon ka aisa pher
badal kar pesh karne se ek 'freshness' aati hai.
GZ: jee haan, waqt ke hisaab se agar raag DhoonDe to kuchh dino mein
yeh 'monotonous' lagne lagega, saare gaane ek jaise lagenge, Amar
Prem ki woh laDki baDee pavitra hain, haalaanki koThe pe baiTheen
hain, to gaane mein 'freshness' hogi to uski ek 'reflection' aa
jaayegi 'character' mein.
Song: Raina beeti jaaye shyaam na aaye (Amar Prem)
GZ: isse pehle ki hum aage baDhen, Pancham, aap ka pehla gaana kaun
sa tha?
RD: Film Chhote Nawaab mein mera pehla gaana 'record' huya Latabai ki
awaaz mein. isse juDee ek dilchasp kahaani hai. ek kahaavat hai na ki
puraane chaawal ghamanDi hote hain, to mere pitaji bhi ghamanDi the,
unka didi (Lata) ke saath kuchh an-ban ho gayi thi, unhone keh diya
tha ki main kisi aur se gawaayunga. to woh kya huya ki woh mera
pehla 'picture' tha, main didi ke paas gaya aur kaha ki aap ko mere
liye gaana paDega. woh boli kyun naheen gaayungi. un
dino 'rehearsals' huya karta tha. didi, Ashaji, Rafi sahab, sabhi
bahut 'rehearsals' karte the, aaj durbhaagya hai ki 'rehearsal' ka
zamana naheen raha. to woh aayeen hamaare ghar mein 'rehearsal' karne
ke liye aur 'rehearsal' mein gaana sunke bahut aashirvaad diya aur
unhone kahaa ki pitaaji se naheen milaaoge? maine kaha ki woh
darwaaze pe khaDe hain, doosre kamre mein, woh aane ki soch rahe
hain. unhone awaaz dee ki "dada, andar aayiye"
GZ: achchha, rooThe huye the
RD: andar aakar bole, Lata, kitne 'dates' de sakti ho mujhe? woh aise
hi baat karte the, boleen, aapko jitna chaahiye, ek maheene ka
chaahiye, phir uske baad pitaaji ke saath Latabai ka achchha ho gaya.
AB: ek baat poochhoon? sach bataayenge? us din aap andar se kaamp
rahe the na?
RD: bilkul, maine pehli baar unhe 1951 mein "Thandi hawaayen lehra ke
aaye" gaate huye dekha tha, 'she is so simple', lagta hi naheen tha
ki itni baDee 'singer' hain.
Song: Ghar aaja ghir aaye (Chhote Nawab)
AB: Gulzar bhai, suna hai "mora gora ang lai le" aap ka pehla gaana
tha?
GZ: jee haan
RD: ab iske saath bhi ek kissa hai, us samay Gulzar naya naya aaya
tha, main pitaji ka 'assistant' huya karta tha, hum Bimal Roy Studios
mein milte the. mere pitaaji 'conscious' ho gaye ki Gulzar 'meter'
mein likh sakega ki naheen. is gaane ke baad woh khush ho gaye ki
jaisa 'tune' unhone banaaya tha waisa hi inhone likha.
GZ: yeh waaqai 'meter' pe likha gaana tha, aur bhi kai likhe, aap ke
liye bhi kai likhe. yeh gaana mera pehla 'ticket' tha is 'film
industry' mein aane ka. Lataji 3 saal ke baad Burman dada ke liye
gaane waali theen.
RD: 'exactly'
AB: aapke pehle gaane mein hi S D Burman aur Lata Mangeshkar?
GZ: jee haan
Song: Mora gora ang lai le (Bandini)
GZ: Pancham, aap bataanewaale the ki dada kaise pankh se parinda
banaa dete the?
AB: waah, kya kahaa hai aapne, pankh se parinda, aap 'writer' hain na!
RD: main pitaaji ka 'assistant' huya karta tha, main kuch tabla
bajaata tha aur woh gaate the, unse kaafi kuch humne seekhee hai, hum
sab logon ne seekhee hai, aisa tha ki woh jab 'music compose' karte
the, unke kuchh 'set' tareeke huya karte the, jaise ki ek tareeka
main aap ko bataata hoon, ki woh ulTe bol bolte the, jaise Bengali
mein hum bolte hain ki "kau Taaka chhilo?" matlab kitna kilo tha
keemat? to woh bolte the "chhau Taaka kilo" yaani chheh rupay kilo.
GZ: achchha, ulTa ho gaya (laughs)
RD: is tareeke se gaane ko bhi woh aisa banaate the, pitaaji hamesha
bola karte the ki nayaapan agar karna ho to yeh sab 'experiments'
kiya karo. ek baar hum Bridge on the River Qwai film dekhne gaye,
usmen ek 'tune' tha jo pitaaji ko pasand aa gayi. (RDB hums the
tune). film khatam hone ke baad unhone mujhse kaha ki is chand ko lo,
baDaa achchha chhand hai, unhone us chhand ko liya aur banaa
Daali "yeh dil na hota bechaara", chhand wahaan se aaya aur 'tune'
yahaa ka ho gaya
Song: Yeh dil na hota bechaara (Jewel Thief)
RD: Ashaji, aap bataaiye, aap ne kya seekha unse?
AB: awaaz pe kaise 'control' kee jaati hai yeh maine unse seekha,
iske baare mein main baad mein bataayungi, Gulzar bhai, aap ka Bengal
se rishta hai, aap ki beTi ka naam Boski hai
GZ: Bengal ke aap ke zikr se main socha aap meri biwi ka zikr karenge
(laughs)
AB: (laughs) woh aap khud hi karen to behetar hoga. aap ne jo gaana
likha tha "lakDi ki kaaThi", kya woh usi ke liye tha? aap ne aur bhi
bahut si bachchon ki kavitaaen aur geet likhe hain.
GZ: woh kahaavat hai na ki 'charity begins at home' (all 3 laughs),
to beTi ghar pe hi theen, 2 baras, 4 baras, 6 baras, 8 baras, yeh
sab 'stages' ke liye alag alag baateb likhni paDtee hain, to main har
saal ek kitaab likha karta tha, 'perspective' bachchon ke liye sahi
rehta hai, yeh gaana rawaayat se haTkar maine likha. naheen to kya
hota hai wohi "hari bhari patti dekho, pattioyon mein shabnam dekho",
to kya hota hai bachche 'bore' ho jaate hain. ek 'pinch' chaahiye,
bachche ko gaane ke saath khelne deejiye. "aap ki aapaDi paani mein
jaa paDee" yeh jo 'phonetics' hain inhe bachche bahut jaldi pakaD
lete hain.
RD: bahut baDhiya!
GZ: yeh ek misaal tha, is gaane ke baad mujhe baDe 'phone calls' aate
the is gaane ki kya kahin se yeh gaana humein mil sakta hai? mera
bachcha naashta naheen karta!
Song: LakDi ki kaaThi (Masoom)
RD: Ashaji, ek baat bataaiye, mera gaana na ho, aisa koi gaana hai
jise aap aur Gulzar ne mehnat se banaaya hai?
AB: mera bhai Hridaynath ka gaana hai, is film ki kahaani
aur 'direction' Gulzar saahab ka tha, isme ek gaana tha raag
bilaaskhaani toDi par. Hridaynath bahut shuddh sangeet deta hai, koi
milaawat naheen karta.
GZ: jee haan, shuddhata hai, woh khaalispan mein vishvaas naheen
rakhte.
AB: yeh gaana tha "jooThe naina bole saanchi batiyaan", lekin log
isko samjhe "jhooTe naina bole..."
GZ: Ashaji, aayiye, do milkar aaj is baat ka khulaasa kar dete
hain. "jooThe naina" se mera yeh matlab tha ki jin aankhon ne kisi
doosre ko dekh liya to woh jooTha ho gaya, pataa naheen sabko yeh
samajhne mein mushkilaat kyun huyi!
RD: yeh to bol the, lekin main poochh raha hoon ki kya aisa koi geet
hai jise gaane mein aap ko mushkil huyi thee?
AB: suniye (in a taunting tone), yeh saahab (Gulzar) yeh
gaana 'cancel' karnewaale the. kehne lage ki 'situation' se 'match'
nahene ho raha hai. main London gayi huyi ti to mere bhai ne kisi
laDki se gaana gawaa liya, jisse gawaya usne seedhe seedhe gaane ko
gaa diya. main waapas aayi to yeh log mujhse kehne lage ki 'double'
mein jaayo (Asha sings to clarify the difference between the two). to
Hema Malini par gaana 'already' filmaya jaa chuka tha, unke 'lip
movements' ko dekhkar mujhe gaana paDaa, bahut mushkil tha.
GZ: kamaal ki bandish hai aur kamaal ka gaaya hai
Song: JooThe naina bole saanchi batiyaan (Lekin)
AB: Burman saahab, aap ne Shivranjani raag mein woh gaana banaya tha
na?
RD: "mere naina saawan bhaadon", yeh gaana Lata bai ne bhi gaaya aur
Kishoreda ne bhi, maine jab gaana sunaya to Kishoreda ne kaha ki
naheen bhai, yeh gaana to mujhse naheen hoga, tum Lata ko pehle
gawaayo, maine Lataji ko jaakar 'request' kiya, uske baad Kishore da
ko kaha ki yeh shivranjani raag hai. woh boley raag ki to aisi ki
taisi, mujhe gaana sunaao, main 'by heart' karke waisa hi gaayunga,
to woh gaana suna aur kam se kam 7 din tak sunte rahe, unke gaane ke
baad aisa naheen lag raha tha ki woh seekh kar gaa rahe hain, woh man
se hi gaa rahe hain. kitna 'dedication' tha unme!
Song: Mere naina saawan bhaadon (Mehbooba)
GZ: Ashaji, aapko pataa hai chaand par kisne sabse pehle kadam rakha
tha? Neil Armstrong. Unke baad Edwin ne doosra kadam rakha, bas
ek 'step' se woh peechhe the, aur dekhiye sabhi Armstrong ki hi baat
karte hain, Edwin, jo unke peechhe hi the, unko kisi ne yaad naheen
rakha. Aap dono baheno ki 'achievement' bhi waisi hi hai.
RDB laughs
AB: mujhe koi gila naheen hai
GZ: Naheen naheen, yeh to fakr ki baat hai ki woh aap ki baDee bahen
hain.
AB: (sings) "Sili hawa chhoo gayi, sila badan chhil gaya, geeli nadi
ke pare, geela sa chaand hil gaya". mujhe samajh naheen aata ki kabhi
chaand ko aapne geela kaha, kabhi shakkar, to kabhi mishri ka tukDa,
aap kya kya kehte hain chaand ko! mujhe aap dono se yahi shikaayat
hai ki saare achchhe achchhe geet aap didi ko hi dete hain.
GZ: Aisi baat naheen hai, film Khushboo ka geet "Ghar jayegi doli
chadh jayegi" jab maine likha to maine kaha ki yeh aap hi gaayengi.
RD: maine kaha tha ki film mein ise heroine Hema Malini gaayengi to
phir Ashaji kaise gaa sakti hain, par inhone aapka naam hi suggest
kiya.
Song: Ghar jaayegi tar jaayegi (Khushboo)
PRASTUTI SEHYOG: HUSSAIN KHAN
PRESENTED BY: KAMLESH PATHAK
THE END
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04/01/2006 13:30 to 15:00 hrs
PANCHAM KE BANAAYE GULZAR KE MAN CHAAHE GEET
Gulzar's 21 song Tribute to Pancham
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Doston, R D Burman aur Gulzar ek aisi joDee thi jisne film sangeet
mein kai prayog keeye. Ek or Gulzar ke gair-paaramparik shabd to
doosri or unhe 'communicate' karne ke liye Pancham nayi nayi dhune
khojte rehte aur unhe khaas-o-aam mein lokpriya banaane ke tareeke
DhoonDte rehte. Humne to aisa bhi suna hai ki agar Gulzar 'newspaper'
ka koi 'news item' kaaT kar bhi Pancham ko de dete the to Pancham
usey bhi dhuno mein piro dete the. Pancham ke itni jaldi chale jaane
se unki kamee Gulzar saahab ko bhi akhDi hogi. isiliye Gulzar yaad
kar rahe hain apne saathi Pancham yaani R D Burman ko. to aayiye sune
PANCHAM KE BANAAYE GULZAR KE MAN CHAAHE GEET.
R D Burman hums "katra katra milti hai"
Gulzar speaks: yaad hai baarishon ke woh din the Pancham? pahaaDiyon
ke neeche vaadiyon mein dhund se jhaank kar 'rail' ki
paTriyaanguzarti theen. aur hum dono 'rail' ki paTriyon par baiThe,
jaise dhund mein do paudhen hon paas paas. us din hum paTri par
baiThe us musaafir ka intezaar kar rahe the, jise aana tha pichhli
shab lekin uski aamad ka waqt Talta raha, hum 'train' ka intezaar
karte rahe par na 'train' aayi aur na woh musaafir. tum yunhi dhund
mein paaon rakhkar gum ho gaye, main akela hoon dhund mein Pancham!
R D Burman sings & hums "katra katra milti hai"
Song: Katra katra milti hai (Ijaazat)
Gulzar speaks: Woh pyaas naheen thi jab tum sangeet uDel dete the aur
hum sab usey apni munh mein lene ki koshish kiya karte. pyaas ab lagi
hai jab katra katra jamaa kar raha hoon tumhari yaadon ka. kya tumhe
pataa tha Pancham ki tum chup ho jaayoge aur main tumhe Dhoondta
phiroonga?
Song: Din jaa rahe hain ke raaton ke saaye (Doosri Seeta)
R D Burman hums & sings "Khaali haath shaam aayi hai"
Song: Khaali haath shaam aayi hai (Ijaazat)
R D Burman speaks: Yeh mera hai yeh mera hai
Gulzar speaks: Yeh sirf mera naheen Pancham, yeh ab hum sab ka hai
Song: Yeh saaye hain yeh duniya hai (Sitara)
Pancham ke geeton ki praasangikta is baat se saabit hoti hai ki aaj
jitne bhi 'remix albums' ban rahe hain un mein zyaadatar Pancham ke
gaane chune gaye. yeh theek hai ya naheen hum is bahas mein aaj
naheen paDna chaahte. kam se kam yeh Pancham ke geeton ki taazgi
aur 'timelessness' yaani ki kaaljayita saabit to karti hi hai.
Song: Roz roz aankhon tale ek hi sapna chale (Jeeva)
Gulzar speaks: yaad hai pehla gaana tumhara, tumne raat 1 baje mujhe
bulaaya tha neeche gaaDi mein. phir subah tak tum gaaDi chalaate rahe
aur yeh gaana sunaate rahe.
Song: Musafir hoon yaaron (Parichay)
R D Burman hums & sings "Aaj kal paaon zameen par naheen paDte mere"
Song: Aajkal paaon zameen par (Ghar)
Gulzar speaks: Pancham, ek maasoom sa bachcha tha tumhaare saath,
tumhare andar ka yeh bachcha kabhi hansta kabhi khelta, 'practical
jokes' karte huye, usey humne udaas naheen hone diya.
Song: LakDi ki kaaThi kaaThi pe ghoDaa (Masoom)
R D Burman hums & sings "Saaton baar boley bansi ek hi baar boley na"
Yeh hai Asha Bhosle, Gulzar aur Pancham ke 'private album' Dil Padosi
Hai ka naghma.
Song: Saaton baar boley bansi (Dil Padosi Hai)
Lata Mangeshkar aur Kishore Kumar ka gaaya film Devta ka naghma suniye
Song: Gulmohar gar tumhara naam hota (Devta)
R D Burman speaks: 'Good, fabulous!'
Song: Piya baawri pee kahaan (Khoobsurat)
Gulzar speaks: tumhaare saath baiThkar 'serious' geet likhna baDa
mushkil hota tha. tumhaare 'pranks' khatam naheen hote, ek baar ek
sanjeeda gaana likhte waqt tumne kahaa tha ki tum kyun band botal ki
tarah 'serious' baiThe ho?
Song: Botal se ek baat chali hai (Ghar)
Gulzar speaks: kitne kam logon ko yeh maaloom hai ki sirf dhun
banaane se hi gaana naheen ban jaata. tumhaare shabdon mein gaane
ko 'nourish' aur parvarish karni paDti hai, kai ghaTon naheen balki
kai dino tak gaate rehne ke baad hi gaane mein chamak aati hai. pehle
tumhaare peeTh peechhe kehta tha, ab tumhaare saamne kehta hoon
Pancham ki tum jitne achchhe 'creative' fankaar the utne hi
baDe 'craftsman' the.
Song: Sili hawa chhoo gayi (Libaas)
Gulzar speaks: Pancham ek 'musical phrase' ko 'elaborate' karte karte
poora gaana tayyaar kar deta tha. kabhi kahin se kuchh pasand aa
jaaye to poora gaana bana dete the, aur kabhi kabhi to poori kahaani
hi ban jaati thi
Song: Ek hi khwaab kai baar dekha hai maine (Kinara)
Gulzar speaks: Ashaji ko saaf safaai ka jaise junoon hai, 'mania'
hai. yaad hai tumne Ashaji ke janamdin par unhe chaandi ka jhaaDoo
pesh kiya tha. Ashaji ko dekhte hi tumne kaha tha ki ab woh tumse
kaam karwaayengi. Ashaji ne kya kaha tha yaad hai?
Song: Bechara dil kya kare (Khushboo)
R D Burman hums "Khaamosh sa afsaana"
Song: Khaamosh sa afsaana paani se likha hota (Libaas)
Gulzar speaks: gaana banaate waqt tum zabaan se zyaada 'sound' par
dhyaan dete the. kisi shabd ka 'sound' achchha lag jaaye to jhaT se
le lete the. aur us shabd ka maane? jaise tumne poochha tha mujhse ki
yeh "nasheman" kaun sa shaher hai yaar?
Song: Is moD se jaate hain (Aandhi)
R D Burman hums "Raah pe rehte hain yaadon pe basar karte hain"
Gulzar speaks: yeh Galat hai ki waqt guzar jaata hai, waqt naheen
guzar sakta, waqt to 'eternal' hai, 'timeless' hai, kabhi naheen
guzar sakta. jo guzar jaate hain woh hum hain, woh tum ho.
Song: Raah pe rehte hain (Namkeen)
Gulzar speaks: kuchh naheen Theherta na Pancham? na tum Thehere aur
na hi main rukoonga, waqt ka darya behta raha.
Song: Aanewaala pal jaanewaala hai (Golmaal)
Gulzar speaks: yaad hai Pancham koi nayi dhun banaakar tum mujhse kya
kehte the?
R D Burman speaks: 'the ball is in your court, the ball is in your
court, the ball is in your court'
Gulzar speaks: yeh kaun sa 'ball' meri 'court' mein chhod gaye ho
Pancham? yeh zindegi ka khel akela naheen khelaa jaata Pancham. yaa
to aa jaayo ya phir bulaa lo!
Song: Tujhse naaraaz naheen zindegi hairaan hoon main (Masoom)
Gulzar speaks: yaad hai baarishon ke woh din the Pancham? pahaaDiyon
ke neeche vaadiyon mein dhund se jhaank kar 'rail' ki
paTriyaanguzarti theen. aur hum dono 'rail' ki paTriyon par baiThe,
jaise dhund mein do paudhen hon paas paas. us din hum paTri par
baiThe us musaafir ka intezaar kar rahe the, jise aana tha pichhli
shab lekin uski aamad ka waqt Talta raha, hum 'train' ka intezaar
karte rahe par na 'train' aayi aur na woh musaafir. tum yunhi dhund
mein paaon rakhkar gum ho gaye, main akela hoon dhund mein Pancham!
Song: O maanjhi re apna kinara nadiya ki dhaara hai (Khushboo)
PRESENTED BY YUNUS KHAN
THE END
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04/01/2006 VISHESH MUSIC MASALA
USHA UTHUP REMEMBERING R D BURMAN
Aaj ka yeh Music Masala karyakram R D Burman ki yaad mein hai.
Sangeetkaar R D Burman ko yaad kar raheen hain gaayika Usha Uthup.
Inse baat-chit kee hai Kamal Sharma ne.
Kamal Sharma: Swaagat hai aap ka, main apni or se, Vividh Bharati ki
or se aur hamaare tamaam shrotaaon ki or se aap ka swaagat karta hoon.
Usha Uthup: Namaskaar, namaskaaram, good evening, salaam vaalekum,
aur kya kahoon! Aap ka yeh channel itna itna 'popular that it reaches
every nook and corner of the country, I am pround to be here'.
Kamal Sharma: Aap ne bhi yahaan aakar hamaare karyakram ki shobha
baDhaaee.
Usha Uthup: Main All India Radio se shuru se hi juDee hoon, 'right
from the first day, I am glad to be a part of AIR, and especially
this programme, thank you, you have a beautiful voice'.
Song: Rampur ka baasi hoon main (Rampur Ka Laxman)
Kamal Sharma: Ushaji, agar aap chaahen to hum R D Burman saahab ka
zikr karna chaahenge.
Usha Uthup: 'Sure, sure'
Kamal Sharma: To kaise unhone aap ko bulaaya, jab aap
ne 'performance' diya to unka kya 'reaction' tha?
Usha Uthup: Main kya bataayun, kuchh log samajhte hain ki 'only they
have the authority to talk about R D Burman'. Khair jo bhi hai, 'he
and I shared a lot of music, we were really' yaar, 'real' yaari thi
hamaari. 'You cant imagine how we were, in fact', bahut gaane the jo
maine unko deeye. 'With due respect' main bataana chaahoongi
Kamal Sharma: Zaroor!
Usha Uthup: (sings) "It is tuesday this must be Belgium, it is
wednesday it must be Rome, it is thursday it must be Monteal, it is
friday I must go home". Yeh gaana maine unko bahut saal pehle diya
tha, is gaane se 'inspired' hokar banaa (sings) "chura liya hai tumne
jo dil ko nazar naheen churana sanam"
Song: Chura liya hai tumne jo dil ko (Yaadon Ki Baraat)
Usha Uthup: Ek aur gaana tha "When the moon is in the Jupiter.....age
of Aquirious"...."Jab andhera hota hai aadhi raat ke baad"
Song: Jab andhera hota hai (Jab Andhera Hota Hai)
Usha Uthup: Aisa hi ek aur gaana tha (hums)"hhmmmmmmm hhhmmm"...."O
hansini meri hansini kahaan ud chalee"
Song: O hansini (Zehreela Insaan)
Usha Uthup: (sings & hums) "When I was seventeen, it was a
goody......" ..... Raju chal Raju apni masti mein tu..."
Song: Raju chal Raju apni masti mein tu (Azaad)
Usha Uthup: 'R D Burman was really a man of the world'. Unhone kisi
dhun ki 'copy' naheen kee, balki unse 'inspired' hokar 'he produced
such nice music. Its not one man's thinking, its not like that. We
two created so many songs. There was a song in French accent', (hums
the song).....(sings) "Dhanno ki aankhon mein raat ka soorma chaand
ka jummaa"
Song: Dhanno ki aankhon mein raat ka soorma (Kitaab)
Usha Uthup: Aur kitne gaane hain aise, aise hi bahut
saare 'background music' bhi hai. Film Shaan, Shalimar, The Train,
Caravan mein kitne hi 'pieces' hain.
Kamal Sharma: Film Shaan ka woh gaana hai na? "Doston se pyar kiya",
is mein "shaan se" thoDa aur lamba hota to achchha hota?
Usha Uthup: I know, lekin khaana khaate samay thoDa jagah baaki rehte
hi uth jaana chaahiye.
Song: Doston se pyar kiya (Shaan)
Kamal Sharma: Ushaji, aap hamare 'studio' mein aayeen, R D Burman ke
baare mein itni adbhut jaankaariyaan humein dee, aap ka bahut bahut
shukriya.
Usha Uthup: (sings) "Jo kuchh bhi ho jaaye, hum yeh kahenge, hum ek
the, ek hain, ek rahenge, Bharatiya hain hum".
Aaj ka yeh Music Masala karyakram R D Burman ki yaad mein tha.
Sangeetkaar R D Burman ko yaad kar raheen theen gaayika Usha Uthup.
Inse baat-chit keeKamal Sharma ne.
THE END
Pramod
best regards
Pramod Harvey