Talat's non-film Hindi songs for Kamal-da
naniwadekar
Here is the list of non-film Hindi songs sung by Talat Mahmood and
composed by Kamal Dasgupta, based on Khalid Mahmood's list at
talatmahmood.net ; two of these songs, which were on Talat's first-
ever 78-rpm release, were actually composed by Subal Dasgupta, never
mind what R P Singh's Talat-Kosh and Khalid might claim. Subal-da was
Kamal-da's brother. Secondly Talat sang only one song in Raj Laxmi;
one non-film song was wrongly attributed to Raj Laxmi in HFGK. Hamraaz
has supplied the correction, either in the back pages of HFGK or in an
old issue of LB. But the website continues to credit both songs to Raj
Laxmi.
Non-film songs by Talat-Kamalda pair.
Chaudvin manzil pe zaalim aa gaya
Tasveer teri dil mera behla na sakegi (probably Subal-da's)
Tum lok laaj se darti thi
Nigahon ko chura kar reh gae
Main teri chabi banaoonga
Ye baja ke daur e bahar hai
Woh rang rang ke jalwe
Sab din ek samaan nahin tha (actually Subal-da's song)
Soye hue hain chand aur taare
One of the songs on Talat's first 78, IIRC, was 'sab din ek samaan'. A
question for Profjee and others, who possess Talat-kosh. Which is its
palti song, based on the record number? These two songs were actually
composed by Subal Dasgupta. Kamal-da heard them only after the record
appeared for sale in the market.
- dn
naniwadekar
Talat-Subal songs
Only three songs listed for the pair, all of them Bengali songs, one
filmi and two non-film.
No Hindi song, film or non-film, has been listed against the pair.
BHEEGE GELO JODI BASHA (Bengali Film - Bonchita)
TUMI CHEERO DIN (Bengali non-film)
BHALOBASHA SHEKE NI (Bengali nonfilm)
What is the record number for 1) TUMI CHEERO DIN, 2) BHALOBASHA SHEKE
NI, 3) sab din ek samaan nahii.n thaa .
- dn
Mokammel Karim
Is this the same Kamal Dasgupta who married Firoza Begum, a famous
Nazrul Sangeet Singer?
naniwadekar
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> Is this the same Kamal Dasgupta who married Firoza Begum, a famous
> Nazrul Sangeet Singer?
>
Yes, Kamal Dasgupta was married to Feroza or Firoza Begum. He had
invested money in a bank in Kolkata which sank, and Kamal-da lost all
his savings. This affected him deeply to the point that he had lost
his mental balance. He had settled in Bangla Desh, and I think he died
there, too. There is an article on him on the Oldies Club site, run
mostly by music lovers based in Pakistan. You may find his filmography
in that article. Kamal-da considered Khemchand Prakash to be the
greatest MD; a very fine choice though not one that I would agree
with.
His non-film songs for Talat, Hemant, Jagmohan, Juthika Roy are most
wonderful. He was also Pramathesh Chandra Barua's MD of choice for his
films in 1940s, and scored some exceedingly beautiful music for the
films. He was also a terrific singer. I have only heard his 3 duets
with Juthika Roy (thanks to the late Allahdad Khan of Peshawar), but
they are all heavenly. If there was one MD in Kolkata whose output can
be compared to Boral's and Mullick's, it was Kamal-da.
According to Prithviraj Dasgupta, rarely seen on RMIM these days,
Himanshu Dutt 'Sur Sagar' was also a great composer. But most of his
work is in Bengali, and I haven't heard it except possibly a song or
two from Prithviraj. Jayaraman had posted on Profjee's site a jhalak
of a Hindi film-song composed by Himanshu Dutt, and sung (according
to BCSP) by Munir Alam. Just 30-40 seconds, but irresistible stuff.
- dn
Sudhir
1 Ghoomer chhaya chander chokhe (Lyrics: Pronab Roy)
(Same tune as that of Hindi song: Soye Hue Hain Chand Aur Taare)
I like the Bengali song much more than the Hindi song, even
though
can not understand a word of it
Don't know, which came first, Ghoomer Chhaya or Soye Hue Hain
2 Dutti Pakhi Dutti Teere (Lyrics: Green Chakraborty)
Equivalent Hindi song : ???
Both songs (re-recorded versions) were released on a tape: KAMAL
DASGUPTA,
Down Melody Lane, Vol 2 (good recording quality). Balance songs on
this tape
are by other singers
Incidentally, the proper title of 1st song is:
Chand Mere Chand Se Sharma Gaya
Sudhir
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naniwadekar
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> 1 Ghoomer chhaya chander chokhe (Lyrics: Pronab Roy)
> (Same tune as that of Hindi song: Soye Hue Hain Chand Aur Taare)
> I like the Bengali song much more than the Hindi song, even
> though can not understand a word of it
>
> Don't know, which came first, Ghoomer Chhaya or Soye Hue Hain
>
Both songs are Kamal-da's Talat's site lists the Bengali song as
'diner chhaayaa'. So, 'diner', not chander.
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>
> Incidentally, the proper title of 1st song is:
> Chand Mere Chand Se Sharma Gaya
>
That is debatable. I copied the words from Khalid's site. The song
does begin with the words 'chaudvin manzil pe zaalim aa gayaa', and
the refrain is 'chaand mere ...' as you have listed.
- dn
Mokammel Karim
> On Apr 6, 7:07 pm, Mokammel Karim wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, Kamal Dasgupta was married to Feroza or Firoza Begum. He had
> invested money in a bank in Kolkata which sank, and Kamal-da lost all
> his savings. This affected him deeply to the point that he had lost
> his mental balance. He had settled in Bangla Desh, and I think he died
> there, too. There is an article on him on the Oldies Club site, run
> mostly by music lovers based in Pakistan. You may find his filmography
> in that article. Kamal-da considered Khemchand Prakash to be the
> greatest MD; a very fine choice though not one that I would agree
> with.
>
Firoza Begum is an iconic figure in Bangladesh. People call her
'Nazrul Sangeet Samragyi' - the queen of Nazrul Sangeet (a queen who
doesn't have a king). Kamal Dasgupta spent his last years in
Bangladesh. I read that he was running a grocery store in later years.
His two sons - Hameen and Shafin became popular band singers (their
band's name was 'Miles'). A couple of their songs were copied by
several hindi MDs including Anu Malik. It is said that Kamal Dasgupta
gave music to a few Nazrul Sangeets too.
Your mention of Khemchand Prakash in misplaced. In the article AR
Querishi wrote: "Mr. Kamal Das Gupta recalled Khemchander Parkash,
"Woh hum sab say bazi legeya"." That doesn't imply that he considered
Khemchand as the greatest. Anyway, thanks for mentioning Querishi's
article. It's very difficult to find anything on Kamal.
naniwadekar
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> Firoza Begum is an iconic figure in Bangladesh.
> "Mr. Kamal Das Gupta recalled Khemchander Parkash,
>
> "Woh hum sab say bazi legeya"." That doesn't imply that he considered
> Khemchand as the greatest.
>
I found Firoza Begum's songs on a CD released by indianscreen.com team
quite boring.
What is meant by 'sab se baazi le gaya'. I guess 'he had all of us
beaten' may not be an inaccurate representation of what Kamal-da
meant?
.
- dn
Mokammel Karim
> On Apr 9, 3:53 pm, Mokammel Karim wrote:
>
>
>
> > Firoza Begum is an iconic figure in Bangladesh.
> > Your mention of Khemchand Prakash in misplaced. In the article ARQuerishi wrote:
> > "Mr. Kamal Das Gupta recalled Khemchander Parkash,
>
> > "Woh hum sab say bazi legeya"." That doesn't imply that he considered
> > Khemchand as the greatest.
>
> I found Firoza Begum's songs on a CD released by indianscreen.comteam
> quite boring.
>
Well, I am not a big fan of her, though I have high regards for her
contribution to the genre. I suspect Kamal played a key 'behind the
screen' role in her career.
Prithviraj Dasgupta
I have book on Kamal Dasgupta by S. M. Shahid and it attributes 4 more
Talat songs to KDG/FH, as given below. I have also given the
attributions by talatmahmood.net Website after each song's title
(FH=Faiyyaz Hashmi)
aaj use phir dekha hai - Ramzan Khan/FH
piine ki ham ko aadat - Ramzan Khan/FH
gungunate hue gaate hue - Chitta Roy/Hasrat Trimiji
dil ki duniya basa gaya - Talat/Ahsaan Mirthi
I have no idea which source is more authentic, but I tend to lean
towards the Website for obvious reasons.
Also, the first bengali song of Talat was in 1944 - "ghumero chhaya
chander chokhe" (not 'diner', the Website is wrong). The flip side is
"duti pakhi duti tirey", lyricist is Girin (not Green) Chakraborty.
The re-recording of these songs by Talat was released on an LP album
in 1975 titled "Down Memory Lane, vol. 2 - Kamal Dasgupta: In
Memoriam" (ECSD 2576). Only Talat and Hemant got to re-sing their
original versions that were initially recorded ~30 years ago. 2 songs
originally sung by Kamal-da around 1942
were re-sung by Manna Dey on this LP. Incidentally, the same 2 songs
have another version by Jagmohan from around 1951. They go 'kato din
dekhini tomay' and 'menechhi go haar menechhi'.
The remaining 6 songs of this LP were Juthika Roy originals re-sung by
Feroza Begum and others.
-Prithviraj
Sudhir
Chitta Rai or Chitra Roy
In addition to the 3rd song listed by Mr. Prithviraj (Gungunate Hue
Gaate Hue), there are 2 other
very good / good songs attributed to this MD. They are
Gham-e-Zindagi Ka Yaarab Na Mila Koyi and
Nazar Bulbul Ki Kahti Hai
both songs have Re-Recorded versions. Gham-e-Zindagi probably early
60s (was re-issued
on LP / Ghazals to Remember - ECLP 2265, released in 1966 - the
version which is generally
available. Nazar Bulbul Ki probably re-recoded in Late 60s / Early
70's
Thanks
Sudhir
p.s.: On the above listed LP, Tasveer Teri Dil Mera (Re-recorded
version is also there). Don't
know if ORIGINAL 40's version of Gham-e-Zindagi Ka and
Tasveer Teri were ever
re-issued by HMV
Nazar BulBul Ki - ORIGINAL recording was re-issued on
Tape / CD title: SUKOON (2 Tape set)
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Kammu
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What lovely ghazals of Talat you have brought for
discussion .
Talat filled the void left by KL Saigal . He was the king of ghazals
upto mid fifties . The first deteriration in his voice was felt in the
ghazal
hungamei gham se tang aakar penned by Shakeel Badayuni .
Chitta Roy is probably Chittaranjan Roy , a fine composer .
Regards ,
k