Results of Chitrahaar 14 on Roothna-Manaana (2/2)
Vandana Venkatesan
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Chitrahaar 14 on Roothna-Manaana: ANSWERS & COMMENTS
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(1)
SHE: Good Morning Mr. Anil Kumar !
HE: Aap mujhe "Sona" naam se pukaare toh mere dil ko zyaada
khushi hogi.
SHE (mockingly): Kyon?
HE: Chhota hai, sundar hai aur phir mere sab chaahnewaale
mujhe "sona" kehte hain!
SHE (angrily): Main aapke chaahnewaalon mein nahin!
She promptly changes her tune later though when it is his turn to be angry.
In this song which appears just a little later in the movie, she calls him
"sona" not once but 'three' times in the very first line and begs for his
forgiveness!
A murder mystery/romantic musical directed by Vijay Anand, the movie is
chock-full of hit duets by Mohammad Rafi and Asha Bhonsle including the one
you have to guess. Note that the handsome brother of the director is not
the hero!
SONG: O mere sona re sona re sona re
de doongi jaan juda mat hona re
maine tujhe zara der mein jaana
hua qusoor khafa mat hona re
SINGER(s): Asha Bhonsle, Mohammad Rafi
MOVIE: Teesri Manzil (1966)
STARRING: Shammi Kapoor, Asha Parekh, Helen, Prem Chopra
MUSIC: R.D. Burman
LYRICS: Majrooh Sultanpuri
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Tum ne mujhe dekha hokar meherbaan (Rafi)
O mere sona re sona re sona re (Rafi, Asha)
O haseena zulfonwaali jaane jahaan (Rafi, Asha)
Aaja aaja main hoon pyaar tera (Rafi, Asha)
Dekhiye saahibon woh koyi aur thi (Rafi, Asha)
Deewaana mujhsa nahin is ambar ke neeche (Rafi)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Malini & Balaji: >>
Apt that you have started the "roothana-manana" quiz with an Asha song.
Anup Pandey: >>
Its a classic song and despite being a Asha-Rafi duet it looks like as
if it was Asha solo. But then I am a biased party. :))
Sheetal & Ketan: >>
Whatta movie! Er.. the handsome brother of the director [Dev Anand] was
the first choice, but he refused since he was busy with Guide. [...]and
then when Shammi K was selected, his first task was to ask for RDB to be
dropped and replaced by SJ. Nzair Hussain, persuaded him to listen to
the songs, before making a final decision. Shammi K agreed, heard only
"aja aja main hoon pyaar tera" and without even bothering to listen to
the others, agreed to have RDB.
Punit Oza: >>
Somehow I think all the music directors whether it was OP or SJ or RDB,
used to give their best to Nasir Hussain Films. This is one of the gems.
Malini & Balaji: >>
During beta testing, we found the clue good, and it *is*. As participants
however, we felt "sona" in the sub-clue makes it too easy :) But, no
complaints really.
[Host] And here I was smiling to myself smugly about on how very smartly I
had avoided mentioning the actors and the music director thereby making the
task extremely challenging for the poor unsuspecting quizzers! :)
"Kamana": >>
No one was able to make a "chauthi manzil" on top of the third one. Vijay
Anand directs with great aplomb to deliver the classic entertainer of all
times. The chemistry between the yahoo Kapoor and the Sayonara Specialist
is at its height in the film. Truly a memorable screen pair. Two Thumbs
up to RDB. BtW you could have also selected "Dekhiye Sahibon Woh Koi aur
thi" Thanks for putting it at No 1.
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(2)
Did you notice that the second Mrs. de Winter does not have a first name in
Daphne Du Maurier's novel? She does not have one in A. Hitchcock's movie
based on the novel either.
However, she does in this loose adaptation for the Hindi screen, produced
by Hemant Kumar. It is Raj. Let's switch for a moment to an RJGK(+) type
clue :
"raat haseen yeh chaand haseen
tu sabse haseen mere dilbar
aur tujh se haseen ...."
The teasing pause at this juncture only increases the hurt and anger in
Raj's eyes already filled with tears. She previously unwittingly broke the
picture of her husband's first wife, Poonam, when all she wanted to do was
to see if Poonam was really as beautiful as they all say. She feels
humiliated when her husband asks her to confess the incident to 'daayi
maa', the housekeeper and hence the anger and hurt.
Hemant Kumar's voice spreads a magical 'mist' however and this beautiful
heroine emerges beautifully decked up by the end of the song.
SONG: Yeh nayan daRe daRe, do jaam bhare bhare, zara peene do
SINGER(s): Hemant Kumar
MOVIE: Kohra (1964)
STARRING: Biswajeet, Waheeda Rehman, Lalita Pawar
MUSIC: Hemant Kumar
LYRICS: Kaifi Azmi
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
O beqaraar dil ho chuka hai mujhko aansuon se pyaar (Lata)
Yeh nayan daRe daRe (Hemant Kumar)
Jhoom jhoom dhalti raat (Lata)
Raah bani khud manzil, peeche reh gaye mushkil (Hemant Kumar)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Host] The words following the pause after "aur tujhse haseen.." are
"..tera pyaar".
Chetan: >>
I haven't seen the movie. But the pause after "tujh se hasee.n..." and
the completion of the line sounds incredibly delicate in Hemant's
voice. Wonderful !
[Host] "Kohra" is a poor remake of Daphne Du Maurier's "Rebecca" as the
clue indicates. Incidentally "Rebecca" is Hitchcock's first Hollywood
venture and it stars Laurence Olivier and Joan Fontaine.
Subu: >>
Novels adapted from Western settings to Indian movies always make a messy
scene. I guess I am biased since I loved Du Maurier's 'Rebecca'. 'Jhoom
Jhoom Dhalti' is a great song though
"Kamana": >>
Bad news for Geetanjali Pictures who were looking for another "bees saal
baad". Seriously Biswajeet was the pits.
Ikram: >>
Hemant's voice on Bissoo!!! ugh!! And that too, when he is in the divine
range!!!
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
Biswajit looks forever "fogged" or "lost in a mist"--puns intended. :)
Anup Pandey: >>
There is a bangla song with same music and similar lyrics which was even
bigger hit than this.
Malini & Balaji: >>
This is a beautiful clue. We saw this movie on video sometime back,but
never paid attention to Waheeda's reaction to the song.
[...] Nice thing being RJGK styled sub-clue enhances this clue.
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(3)
Mohammad Rafi does full justice to this beautiful composition by Madan
Mohan from a poignant movie about the Chinese aggression of 1962 in Ladakh.
The film, shot mainly in Ladakh, is notable for its sense of 'reality' and
deals with the lives of a small battalion of Indian soldiers who are taken
by surprise by the first Chinese attack shortly before Diwali that year.
The story begins in July 1962 when there was not the slightest premonition
of an attack. Ram Singh, an Indian soldier stationed in Ladakh, returns to
duty after a vacation, but he is not happy. Back home, he had broken his
engagement after a disagreement with his fiancee.
On returning to duty, he regrets the unfortunate incident and writes her
several letters apologizing, but to no avail. When yet another day passes
with the postman bearing no news from his beloved, he sings this song in
utter despair reliving the moment when he had walked away expecting her to
stop him.
SONG: Main yeh sochkar uske dar se uTha tha
ki woh rok legi, mana legi mujhko
SINGER(s): Mohammad Rafi
MOVIE: Haqeeqat (1964)
STARRING: Balraj Sahni, Dharmendra, Vijay Anand, Priya Rajvansh
MUSIC: Madan Mohan
LYRICS: Kaifi Azmi
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Hoke majboor mujhe usne bhulaaya hoga (Rafi, Talat, Bhupinder)
Zara si aahat hoti hai, toh dil sochta hai (Lata)
Kar chale hum fida jaan-o-tan saathiyon (Rafi)
Main yeh sochkar uske dar se utha tha (Rafi)
Masti mein chhedke tarana koi (Rafi)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Host] "Haqeeqat" was written and directed by Chetan Anand.
Surajit Bose: >>
Hands down the best song in the quiz. Why RMIMers have bekaar kii
laDhaaiiyaa.N over Gulzar and Sahir is beyond me....Kaifi Azmi is the man
to root for.
"Kamana": >>
Only Rafi saab could have sung htis.
Malini & Balaji: >>
Let KK sing this :)
"Kamana": >>
BTW Chetan Anand's film on the Chinese aggression was good. It has a
memorable perfomance by Dharmendra.
[Host] And Balraj Sahni. I was quite amused to see Vijay Anand do a Dev
Anand takeoff in the film - notice during "masti mein chhedke taraana" and
the restaurant scene when he dances with his wife.
Chetan: >>
The tune brings out the emotions very well. Only the quality of this song
allows pardon for its inclusion in the quiz. Isn't it a little
inappropriate for the theme ?
Snehal: >>
But is this roothna-manaana ?
[Host] I plead guilty - I only included it because: (A) it is a great song
and hence didn't expect too many people to complain, (B) I couldn't think
of any other well-known roothna-manaana songs by Madan Mohan.
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(4)
The heroine here, trying to placate her husband (who happens to be the
real-life brother of an evergreen romantic star) is considered one of the
best actresses of the Hindi screen. I have never been too impressed though
- all she ever does is pull her sari-ka-pallu tightly around her shoulders.
My views aside, the song you have to guess appears in the infant stages of
the trouble between the married couple, the root cause of the trouble being
the interference of the heroine's mother in the financial matters of the
couple. Sulochana's potrayal of the character of a captious mother is
commendable.
The heroine does not succeed in placating the hero with this chirpy Lata
solo from Kalyanji-Anandji though. The trouble just escalates finally
leading to separation. However, all ends well. The couple reconcile when
they meet in a railway station after many years. Now grab that empty sheet
of paper and jot down your answer!
SONG: Roothe roothe piya manaaoon kaise
SINGER(s): Lata Mangeshkar
MOVIE: Kora Kaagaz (1974)
STARRING: Vijay Anand, Jaya Bhaduri, Sulochana, A.K. Hangal
MUSIC: Kalyanji-Anandji
LYRICS: Indivar
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Mera jeevan kora kaagaz (Kishore Kumar)
Roothe roothe piya manaaoon kaise (Lata)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Prince & Neeraj M: >>
What do you mean you are not overly impressed with Jaya Bhaduri? Her
acting in Abhimaan, Shor, Koshish, Guddi, Anamika does not leave any room
for argument!
Surajit Bose: >>
A wickedly accurate assessment of Jaya Bhaduri's histrionic abilities
....except she is really a good comedienne. And her Kathak talents are at
least as good as Sandhya's, (who is also a good comedienne, only
unwittingly so).
Anup Pandey: >>
Wo, strong statement about Jaya B :( Chances are good you will listen
from some of the other Jaya fans(like Neha :) so I will be brief. ;-)
Whether she is deaf & dumb girl in Koshish, widow in Sholay, chulbulee &
then serious in Uphaar, married wife struggling for privacy in Piya ka
Ghar, talented wife who has to deal with the insecurities of her jealous
husband in Abhimaan, she has done a great job in all her roles. I do
think that she had a short career and should have got more challenging
roles in her short carrer to showcase more of her talent. She made a
great pair with Sanjeev Kumar because they both knew how to act which
unfortunately I can't say for most of the Hindi movie stars. :)) IMO
Sanjeev Kumar used to overshadow almost all his costars(male or female)
but he never overshadowed Jaya B.
Ikram: >>
C'mon. She might have done the pallu-adjusting act in this movie. {And
possibly a few others} But she couldn't act??!!
Ambrish Sundaram: >>
Hey hey, hold it there. Jaya Bhaduri is capable of much more than just
"pull her sari-ka-pallu tightly around her shoulders". She is the only
actress, apart from Nargis, Waheeda, Madhubala, Nutan, Rekha, and Rakhee,
who could carry a film entirely on her shoulders. Pretty elite company
that!!!
Ashok: >>
I think she [Jaya Bhaduri] studiedly adopted a different set of
mannerisms for different films. I am going by the few films that I
remember now: Guddi, Piya Ka Ghar, Abhimaan, Parichay, Koshish, Phagun.
Haven't seen Anamika.. She does the pallu thing in Piya Ka Ghar also,
where it fits.
"Kamana": >>
The Pallu pulling bit was hilarious.
Malini & Balaji: >>
Jaya Bhaduri and "roothana-manana", doesn't feel right at all.
Satish C. Kalra:
The role of Jaya Bhaduri's mother was played by Achla Sachdev, not
Sulochana, unless that was her name in the movie.)
[Host] I thought the movie titles credited 'Sulochana' and there was no
Achla Sachdev. Can someone confirm?
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(5)
Despite being, in my opinion, a clumsy directorial venture of Dev Anand,
probably his second attempt, this movie was fairly successful at the
boxoffice. Well, it has its redeeming features like a novel and
interesting storyline based on the 1960s theme of the hippie cult in the
Western world. The movie also introduced a former Miss India in her first
major role in films. She went on to become the glamour sensation of the
70s and 80s.
In the song you have to guess, Dev Anand follows the heroine on the
picturesque streets of Kathmandu declaring that his love is true. This
generic roothna-manaana song, set to music by R.D. Burman, is a duet by
Kishore Kumar and Lata Mangeshkar. But, without doubt, the soundtrack
belonged to Asha Bhonsle.
SONG: Kanchi re kanchi re preet meri saanchi
ruk ja na ja dil todke
SINGER(s): Kishore Kumar, Lata Mangeshkar
MOVIE: Hare Rama Hare Krishna (1971)
STARRING: Dev Anand, Mumtaz, Zeenat Aman, Prem Chopra
MUSIC: R.D. Burman
LYRICS: Anand Bakshi
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Dum maro dum - I love you (Asha Bhonsle, Usha Iyer)
Phoolon ka taaron ka sabka kehna hai (Lata)
Kanchi re kanchi re (Kishore Kumar, Lata)
Phoolon ka taaron ka sabka kehna hai (Kishore Kumar)
Dekho O deewanon tum yeh kaam na karo (Kishore Kumar)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Prince & Neeraj Malhotra and Anup Pandey pointed out that Zeenat Aman was
former Miss Asia and not Miss India. I apologize for the error.
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
Clumsy direction? Wonder what you would call his later ventures. Better
than Prem Pujari though.
Surajit Bose: >>
Generic song? It's the best one on the soundtrack! I'm a little tired of
"dum maaro dum." "I love you" is terrific. Asha's singing there is better
than it is in "dum maaro dum." She sings at a very high pitch without
sounding squeaky or shrill; even Lata often finds that difficult to do.
Vish Krishnan (in an earlier post): >>
It was a fateful day in early 1972. RD's HARE RAAMA HARE KRISHNA was
slowly proving to be a disaster for the producer-director. I must have
turned the radio on just out of habit that morning, and I heard "Kaancha
Re Kaancha" for the first time. In the second verse, Lata tries to reach
a high with "Bas Chup Hi Rehna, Ab Kuchh Naa Kehnaa", and there! - her
voice cracks just a bit. I could not believe RD allowed that one
through. Was that a political move too? That was the day, as I remember
it, when I first realized that she too was only human.
"Kamana": >>
Had this film flopped it would have put some sense into Dev's mind about
directing films. A very poor piece of direction. the film ran because of
its novel subject and of course the soundtrack by RDB with Asha Bhonsle
delivering one of the most well known songs of the seventies. the film
was taken off by Dev Anand after it completed 22 weeks because it was not
drawing any appreciable crowds. Thus HRHK did not complete its silver
jubilee (as told to FF).
Surajit Bose: >>
BTW, I always thought "priit merii saa.Nchi" is a vocative in apposition
to "kaa.Nchii re kaan.chii re," not a declarative phrase. That is to say,
Dev Anand isn't following Mumtaz saying his love is true; he is
addressing her as "priit merii saa.Nchii," "my true love."
Surajit Bose: >>
Overall the HRHK soundtrack is quite good, IMO. I even like "ho re
ghunghruu kaa bole." The only song I positively dislike is "dekho o
diivaano," which is sanctimoniously, unctuously xenophobic.
Satish c. Kalra: >>
Zeenat Amaan was introduced by O.P. Ralhan in Hulchul, if I remember
correctly, not by Dev Anand. HRHK was not her first movie.
[Host] Which is exactly why the clue does not say that it was her first
movie! However isn't she commonly known as a Dev Anand discovery?
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(6)
Why is this janaab always angry, always yelling at everyone in a
high-pitched voice? Kyon ke yeh aapke khandaan ke usuul hain ! In this
strange khaandaan, no one is allowed to laugh, to cry or worse still, to
fall in love and this rule applies to everyone over the age of five!
Ab is bandar ko Theek karne kahaan jaayenge? Kashmir! Afterall the
heroine lives in Kashmir. In this song, our heroine tries to emotionally
blackmail the bandar by saying that she is a bud who will wither up because
of his anger and will never ever blossom again. Does the blackmail work?
Oh no! It takes a storm to do that! But that is a story for another day.
Saira Banu debuted in this film. What happened to her cuteness? She lost
it completely after this movie, eventhough she continued playing the
stereotypical role of the chulbuli laDki in "Victoria no. 203", "Padosan",
"Shaagird" and so on.
SONG: Kashmir ki kali hoon main, mujhse na rootho babuji
murjha gayi toh phir na khiloongi,
kabhi nahin, kabhi nahin, kabhi nahin
SINGER(s): Lata Mangeshkar
MOVIE: Junglee (1961)
STARRING: Shammi Kapoor, Saira Bano, Lalita Pawar, Shashikala, Anup Kumar
MUSIC: Shankar-Jaikishan
LYRICS: Hasrat Jaipuri
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Ehsaan tera hoga mujhpar, dil chahta hai jo kehne do (Lata)
Ja ja ja mere bachpan, kahin jaake chup naadaan (Lata)
Yahoo..Chaahe koi mujhe junglee kahe (Rafi)
Ehsaan tera hoga mujhpar, dil chahta hai jo kehne do (Rafi)
Nain tumhaare mazedaar O janaan-e-aali (Mukesh, Asha)
Mere yaar shabba khair (Lata, Rafi)
Kashmir ki kali hoon main (Lata)
Aiyaya karoon main kya sookku sookku (Rafi)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Abhay: >>
>Clue: Saira Banu debuted in this film. What happened to her cuteness?
What do you mean what happened ? Nothing happens to non-existent
things. :-)
Ikram: >>
Also, wasn't Saira cute in the film with RajendraK where he does the 'tum
kamsin ho, naadaaN ho' song?? After putting on some weight, she lost
it. And then in Nehle pe Dehla, she was downright non-good-looking. :(
Ashok: >>
I agree with you about Saira Banu. She was a sweet presence in Junglee
(It probably helped that Shammi was insufferable.) But I didn't get that
feeling in any of her other films.
Kamana: >>
Loved this film. Shammi, Helen cast a magic spell.
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(7)
When an interviewer once said, "Everybody would like to be Cary Grant",
Archie Leach is said to have replied, "So would I." On the Hindi silver
screen we had our very own aspiring Cary Grant, a star whose romantic image
and heartbreaking looks charmed Indian women through 3 decades.
The movie here is a romantic entertainer from the Navketan banner. Our
hero is in a perfectly respectable profession for a change - neither a
heartless smuggler nor a jewel thief, he is an architect. He is a reckless
driver though - that is what the heroine is angry with him about, not
because he is building a house in front of her house. In this cute duet by
Mohammad Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar, the charmingly contrite hero entreats
the heroine not to get angry.
And, oh, Archie Leach is Cary Grant's real name.
SONG: Dekho rootha na karo, baat nazaron ki suno
Hum na bolenge kabhi, tum sataaya na karo
SINGER(s): Mohammad Rafi, Lata Mangeshkar
MOVIE: Tere Ghar Ke Saamne (1963)
STARRING: Dev Anand, Nutan, Om Prakash, David,
MUSIC: S.D. Burman
LYRICS: Hasrat Jaipuri
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Dil ki manzil kuchh aisi hai manzil (Asha Bhonsle)
Yeh tanhaai haay re haay jaane phir aaye na aaye (Lata)
Tu kahaaN yeh bata, is nashili raat mein (Rafi)
Dil ka bhaNvar kare pukaar (Rafi)
Dekho rooTha na karo (Rafi, Lata)
Tere ghar ke saamne ik ghar banaooNga (Rafi, Lata)
Sun le tu dil ki sadaa (Rafi)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
Charmed for only 3 decades? Somehow I get the feeling that someone is
still charmed in his 6th decade. :))
[Host] :) :)
"Kamana": >>
WHAT A FILM! It brought Dev and Nutan under Goldie's direction. What
more could one ask for? The Ultimate Dev Anand film. Who can forget him
coming down the steps of the Qutab with Nutan. Dada Burman scores a
perfect 10 with this score of course IMHO.
Chetan: >>
Lovely song. One of the rare instances of a song's effect being enhanced
by the scene-on-the-screen. Vijay Anand seems to have restrained his
brother to just within the limits of irritation. But Nutan has done an
excellent job here. As usual, I guess !
Subu: >>
Dev saab and Cary Grant - good parallel
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(8)
Hero sahab elopes with the heroine and as an afterthought realizes that he
is a poor struggling shaayar who has no means of income and promptly tells
the heroine to go back to her parents! The crushed and upset heroine
revisits the title song of the movie reminding him of their first meeting
on a rainy night. The song has the desired effect. The hero joins her and
through eloquent lyrics penned by Sahir, assures her that their
togetherness would never end.
A grand soundtrack in the fullest sense of the word, it features as many as
ten singers including Lata Mangeshkar, Asha Bhonsle, Mohammad Rafi, Manna
Dey and Suman Kalyanpur.
The heroine, darling of the Indian film-going populace, sadly died at a
very young age due to a congenital heart problem.
SONG: ...roothnewaali meri baat se maayoos na ho
behke behke se qayaalaat se mayoos na ho
katm hogi na kabhi tere mere saath ki raat
Zindagi bhar nahin bhoolegi woh barsaat ki raat
SINGER(s): Lata Mangeshkar, Mohammad Rafi
MOVIE: Barsaat ki raat (1960)
STARRING: Madhubala, Bharat Bhushan, Shyama
MUSIC: Roshan
LYRICS: Sahir Ludhianavi
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Na toh karavan ki talash hai (Manna Dey, Asha, S.D.Batish, Sudha Malhotra)
Yeh ishq ishq hai ishq ishq (Rafi, Manna Dey, S.D.Batish, Sudha Malhotra)
Garjat barsat saawan aayo re (Suman Kalyanpur, Kamal Barot)
Zindagi bhar nahin bhoolegi woh barsaat ki raat (Rafi)
Maine shaayad tumhe pehle bhi kahin (Rafi)
Nigaah-e-naaz ke maaron ka haal kya hoga (Asha and chorus)
Ji chahta hai (Asha and chorus)
Zindagi bhar nahin bhoolegi woh barsaat ki raat (Rafi, Lata)
Mujhe mil gaya bahaana teri deed ka (Lata)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Host] The ten singers credited in the film titles are: Lata Mangeshkar,
Asha Bhonsle, Mohammad Rafi, Manna Dey, Suman Kalyanpur, Sudha Malhotra,
S.D. Batish, Kamal Barot, Shankar Shambu and Balbir.
Chetan: >>
What a soundtrack ! Rafi coming in with "rooThane waali" is the highlight
of the song IMO. Making this one of the title songs for this quiz !
"Kamana": >>
Sadly you do not speak about Bharat Bhushan in the clue. The man died
uncared for and unsung a few years back and can one imagine that he had
so many big hits to his credit and that he was one of the leading stars
of his time. waqt waqt ki baat hai.
Subu: >>
Bharat Bhushan-Madhubala; there is yet hope for me.
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(9)
This movie stars a talented South-Indian actor who got a bitter taste of
failure in Hindi films after a sensational debut in "Ek dujhe ke liye". It
is your typical Hindi movie - pehle takraar, phir pyaar kind of deal. The
song situation is during the former phase.
The hero was deliberately left out of this bus going to Simla by the
heroine, Reena Roy, and her friends. However the hero has a clever plan to
get back on the bus. The hero (and his donkey) stop the bus in the middle
of the forest and refuse to move out of the way until the heroine begs for
forgiveness and lets him on the bus. Finally the heroine grudgingly and
angrily begs for the hero's forgiveness.
As soon as he is on the bus, the hero starts his monkey act, jumping all
around and singing the title number by Kishore Kumar in which he tells the
heroine that no matter how much she troubles him, he would smilingly accept
it all and his love would not abate.
SONG: Kitne bhi tu karle sitam hans hans ke sahenge hum
yeh pyaar na hoga kam, sanam teri kasam
SINGER(s): Kishore Kumar
MOVIE: Sanam Teri Kasam (1982)
STARRING: Kamalahasan, Reena Roy
MUSIC: R.D. Burman
LYRICS: Anand Bakshi
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Kishore Kumar)
Jaan-e-jaan O meri jaan-e-jaan..Nisha.. (Asha)
Sheeshe ke gharon mein dekho toh (Kishore Kumar)
Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Asha Bhonsle)
Jaana O meri jaana, main hoon tere khaabon ka raaja (R.D. Burman)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"Kamana": >>
This film was a hit. It was after this film that Kamal's films like
"Dekha Pyaar tumhara" or "Yeh to Kamaal ho gaya" flopped. the film was
produced by Reena's sister, Barkha Roy. It was directed by Mehboob's
erstwhile assistant Narendra Bedi, one of his last films before his
death. Reena also got top billing for the film. First FF for
RDB. Thoroughly enjoyable.
[Host] On a related note, "Yeh toh kamaal ho gaya" is a remake of the Tamil
film "Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu" (translates to "The color of poverty is
red") and stars Kamalahasan & Sridevi. The music is by M.S. Vishwanathan
and it has a really cute duet by SPB and S. Janaki :
"Chippi irukudhu muthum irukudhu thirandhu parka neram illadi rajathi".
Subu: >>
Wonder why an artist as smart as Kamal couldn't figure out that the North
and the South like different kind of heroes. Heroines have typically
been better at making the transition. Its funny to note that at one time
rejects from Tamil films such as Rekha and Hema Malini ruled Bollywood,
and more recently rejects from Hindi movies such as Khushbu have ruled
the South Indian movie industry.
[Host] Wonder why an artist as smart as Kamal hasn't yet figured out that
he is getting too old to be acting with the likes of Urmila!
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The legend of Radha and Krishna has enjoyed enduring popularity in Indian
art, literature and subsequently in Indian movies - this dance song relates
a lover's tiff between these eternal lovers. Radha is angry with Krishna
and would not talk to him because he broke her pot when she was filling
water at the Jamuna. How is Krishna going to pacify her?
The movie, an Indianized Robinhood tale, is a remake of a Tamil film
starring M.G.R. and P. Bhanumati, with a blazing script by Mu. Karunanidhi.
The Hindi version is ofcourse sans the political innuendo, and stars Meena
Kumari and Dilip Kumar in heart-warming light performances. It came out in
1955, a period when the relationship between C. Ramchandra and Lata
Mangeshkar was at its melodious best.
SONG: Radha na bole na bole na bole re
ghunghat ke paT na khole re
SINGER(s): Lata Mangeshkar
MOVIE: Azad (1955)
STARRING: Dilip Kumar, Meena Kumari
MUSIC: C. Ramchandra
LYRICS: Rajinder Kishan
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Aplam chaplam (Lata Mangeshkar, Usha Mangeshkar)
Kitna haseen hai mausam (Chitalkar, Lata)
Radha na bole na bole na bole re (Lata Mangeshkar)
Ja ri ja ri O kari badariya (Lata Mangeshkar)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Host] The name of the Tamizh movie of which "Azad" is remake is "Malai
kaLLan". Anyone knows any songs from that? P. Bhanumati was in the movie
and I am sure she sang and danced her way through! Kishore Krshna
mentioned one song by T.M.S : "kurukku vazhiyil vAzhvu thEdidum kuruttu
ulagamadA thambi theRindhu nadanthu koLLadA..."
Chetan: >>
It still seems incredible that CR came up with all the wonderful songs in
a matter of days. This particular song has Lata at her best. By the time
this song was recorded she had matured as a singer. She had certainly
emerged from the Noorjehan influence (thanks in part to CR and others)
and had her own unmistakable style. And had still not lost the sweetness
and innocence from her voice. Sheer magic...
Kamana: >>
Great song! The only memory of this film i have that the poster featured
a ladder. The king and queen of tragedy combine to give us a good
comedy.
[Host] "Kohinoor" is another one.
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
Unnerving to see Dilip K and Meena K smile for a change.:) Whatta song
though.
Snehal: >>
Meena Kumari, looks beautiful and charming!!
UVR: >>
There exist some unfortunate souls like Ikram in this world, who believe
that MeenaK was *not* beautiful.
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Shubha Khote was introduced by Amiya Chakrabarty in this movie in 1955 as a
petty thief, Putli, serving her sentence at an aashram. Enter this
ill-tempered, stubborn girl, Gowri, who not only breaks all the pots and
plates she can lay her hands on but picks up a fight with everyone in the
aashram. All Putli can say is, "Kya baat hai"!
Now this new girl has decided to go on a hunger strike so that they let her
out of the aashram. Shubha Khote is delightful in this Lata song composed
by Shankar Jaikishan in which she tells her buddy not to rob herself of
happiness by getting angry for each and everything.
Here's another clue to 'limit' your choices: Gowri is played by a talented
actress who also played the title role of an untouchable girl in a landmark
Bimal Roy film.
SONG: Baat baat mein rootho na, apne aap ko looTho na
SINGER(s): Lata Mangeshkar
MOVIE: Seema (1955)
STARRING: Nutan, Balraj Sahini, Shubha Khote
MUSIC: Shankar Jaikishan
LYRICS: ????
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Tu pyaar ka saagar hai (Manna Dey and chorus)
Suno chhoti si gudiya ki lambi kahaani (Lata - happy version)
Kahaan ja raha hai tu aei jaanewaale (Rafi)
Man mohana baDe jhoothe (Lata)
Hamen bhi de do sahaara (Rafi and chorus)
Baat baat mein rootho na (Lata)
Suno chhoti si gudiya ki lambi kahaani (Lata - sad version)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Host] The movie is worth watching (though Nutan goes just a tad overboard
with the histrionics sometimes). One particular scene stands out in my
mind: After being thrown out on to the streets by her uncle and aunt, Nutan
huddles up in a corner of a street, cold, hungry and desolate. A blind man
and two children nearby are singing "hamen bhi de do sahara ki besahare
hain" and one of the people watching them throws a coin which falls near
Nutan. It is a very touching scene, Nutan slowly and stealthily moves the
coin more and more towards her with her toe in an attempt to hide it under
her foot. Ofcourse, in the end conscience wins and she gives the coin to
the children.
Surajit Bose: >>
Cute song. I did not know that it had been picturized on the gorgeous,
underrated Shubha Khote.
Snehal B. Oza: >>
What a movie. Ms. Khote plays her role so well. Her look is so innocent in
the movie, I can't associate her with that ashram! And this song; well I
really like it. Lata is so sweet. In fact she is more sweet than in song
that were filmed on Nutan, IMO. Great orchastrisation by Shankar
Jaikishan.
UVR: >>
Nutan looks sooooo cute in this film ... heavenly photography
Satish c. Kalra: >>
A gem of a song, with lilt and rythm, and beautiful use of accordion as
the main instrument, not ot forget the excellent lyrics which were in line
with the song situation and yet full of philosophy of life.
Chetan: >>
Shubha Khote is one of the "side" stars to have a number of beautiful
songs picturized on her. Great soundtrack by SJ. The mean quality is very
very high and the variance quite low.
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Sandhya's contorted staccato dance movements hardly constitute pleasant
viewing but obviously V. Shantaram thought otherwise. In this 'colorful'
film she plays the dual role of Jamuna, the poet's wife and Mohini, the
allegorical damsel conjured up by the poet's imagination.
Not realizing that it is but her form the poet sees in his mind's eye when
he pens vivid descriptive poetry about the charms of his lover, Jamuna
walks out of his life never to return. Tormented by separation from his
poetical inspiration, the poet bursts out into this elegy in the climax of
the movie, revealing that she was his reality and she was his fantasy. The
couple reunite after this duet by Manna Dey and Asha Bhonsle.
SONG: Tu chhupi hai kahaan, main tadapta yahaan
SINGER(s): Manna Dey, Asha Bhonsle
MOVIE: Navrang (1959)
STARRING: Mahipal, Sandhya
MUSIC: C. Ramchandra
LYRICS: Bharat Vyas
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Aa dil se dil mila le (Asha)
Tum mere main teri (Asha Bhonsle)
Aadha hai chandrama raat aadhi (Asha Bhonsle, Mahendra Kapoor)
Rang de re (Asha Bhonsle, Manna Dey)
Tu chhupi hai kahaan (Asha Bhonsle, Manna Dey)
Kari kari kari andhiyari thi raat (Asha Bhonsle, Chitalkar)
Shyamal shyamal baran (Mahendra Kapoor)
Arey ja re hat natkhat re chhod mera ghoonghat (Asha, Mahendra Kapoor)
Tum saiyan gulab ke (Asha Bhonsle)
Yeh maati sabhi ki kahaana kahegi (Mahendra Kapoor)
Tum pashchim ho hum purab hain (Chitalkar and chorus)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Chetan: >>
I used to cringe when someone called Sandhya a great dancer (beleive me,
there are people who agree with VShantaram). Dance ? What she does at best
qualifies as acrobatics. There is no grace, no flow, no beauty.
Prince and Neeraj M.: >>
And Sandhya is an excellent dancer. What was so staccato about her
dancing with the nine pots on her head?
Harish Suvarna: >>
How about a movie full of dances with Shammi and Sandhya in lead roles?
:-)
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
How Sandhya (a mistake the Good Lord made!) could be anyone's fantasy is
a PhD research topic in itself.
"Kamana": >>
Strangely nobody remembers Mahipal the handsome hero of this and
countless others stunt and mythological films. According to me he more
than made up for Sandhya.
"Kamana": >>
Can Lata match Asha's voice in the song?
Malini & Balaji: >>
Great song.
Surajit Bose: >>
A terrible song in a terrible movie.
Chetan: >>
Of course, Balaji will promptly point out that this song is in
Malkauns. And Surajit Bose will
(a) fall out of his chair laughing or
(b) sit bolt upright in his chair with eyes twinkling or
(c) get up from his chair and walk away in disgust
depending on how he rates CR as an MD. :)
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(13)
Quite unlike the usual situation where children make a fuss to eat, it is
the grandmother who is sulking and refusing to eat in this scene and the
grandsons sing this song to coax her to eat. Asha Bhonsle and Kamal Barot
playback for the two kids and the music is by Ravi.
It is a Gemini Films joint-family melodrama. The costumes and settings
reek of a South-Indian flavor as does the storyline which has a twisted
moral and stinking male-chauvinistic lines like "stree ka bhagwan toh uska
pati hota hai" and "agar doosri shaadi karne mein hi aapki khushi hai toh
main aapke raaste mein kabhi nahin aaongi". Lalita Pawar plays the
grandmother and wicked mother-in-law who is the bane of the 'household'.
SONG: Dadi amma dadi amma maan jaao
chhodoji yeh gussa zara hanske dikhaao
SINGER(s): Asha Bhonsle, Kamal Barot
MOVIE: Gharaana (1961)
STARRING: Lalita Pawar, Rajendra Kumar, Asha Parekh, Raj Kumar
MUSIC: Ravi
LYRICS: Shakeel Badayuni
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Jai raghunandan jai siyaram (Rafi, Asha)
Jabse tumhen dekha hai aankhon mein tumhi tum ho (Rafi, Asha)
Na dekho hamen ghoor ke jaadoogar saiyaan (Rafi, Asha)
Mere banne ki baat na poocho (Asha, Shamshad Begum and chorus)
Ho gayi re main toh apni baalma ki ho gayi re (Asha)
Husnwaale tera jawaab nahin (Rafi)
Yeh duniya usiki jo pyaar kar le (Asha and chorus)
Dadi amma dadi amma maan jaao (Asha, Kamal Barot)
Yeh zindagi ki uljhanen (Asha)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Surajit Bose: >>
Sasural?? I'm guessing the movie's name from the clue.
[Host] The range of responses from the participants for the film name was
varied and interesting: Sasuraal; Khandaan; Grihasti; Naunihaal; Sunehra
Sansaar; Ghar-Parivaar; Bahu-beti; Piya ka ghar; Parivaar; Chhoti Bahu;
Ghar-Sansaar; Gharbaar.
Surajit Bose: >>
"Gharana." If so, I'll kick myself; being music-minded, I should have
guessed it before.
Anup Pandey: >>
Unfortunately this type of movies with a different twist are still made.
One movie I remember is "Kab tak chup rahoongi" with Amlaa, Aditya Pancholi
& Kiran Kumar; another one is "Pati Patni aur Tawaif" (* Mithun, Farha,
Salma Agha). Then there was that stupid song "Bhala hai bura hai jaisa
bhi hai mera pati mera devata hai" :)) in a 90s movie I don't remember the
name of the movie, may be it was "Naseeb Apna Apna".
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
Are there any better songs in this movie, or was it this cheezy tune that
got Ravi the FF award?
[Host] I think the most popular song in the film was the Rafi solo
"Husnwaale tera jawaab nahin".
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Poonam is a seedhi-saadhi-bholi-bhaali-chulbuli laDki who lives in the
woods. She wins the hearts of a professor (I.S. Johar) and his 'disciple'
(Joy Mukerjee) who were previously committed to a life of bachelorhood.
In the song situation under question, our hero gets a little peeved when
our heroine showers her attention on the sick professor. The hero knows
that the professor is just pretending to be sick to get the heroine's
undivided attention. So what does out heroine do? Try to "manaao" our
hero, ofcourse, in this duet by Lata and Rafi with music by
Laxmikant-Pyarelal. Before too long (infact even before the mukhda of the
song gets over), our hero capitulates to the beautiful smile of the
heroine.
SONG: Woh hain zara khafa khafa toh nain yun churaaye hain
SINGER(s): Lata Mangeshkar, Mohammad Rafi
MOVIE: Shaagird (1967)
STARRING: Saira Bano, Joy Mukherjee
MUSIC: Laxmikant Pyarelal
LYRICS: Majrooh Sultanpuri
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Kaanha kaanha aan paDi re tere dwaar (Lata)
Ruk ja aei hawa tham ja aei fiza (Lata)
Woh hain zara khafa khafa (Lata, Rafi)
BaDe miya deewaane aise na bano (Rafi)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Surajit Bose: >>
I have a theory that Joy Mukherjee and Biswajeet are the same person. Has
anybody ever seen the two of them together?
Chetan: >>
This was the song that brought Lata and Rafi together after the rift. So
LP get the credit for the reunion I guess !
Surajit Bose: >>
LP have talent, they just choose to squander it. Well, Pyaarelal was
Jaidev's assistant in Alaap, so it shows that he has some good karma!
Satish C. Kalra: >>
[Tune] Recycled by LP as 'palki mein ho ke sawar chali re' in Khalnayak.
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If you watched "The Glenn Miller Story", I am sure you marveled like I did
about how realistic Jimmy Stewart looks conducting the orchestra and
playing the trombone. I have to admit I am quite unfamiliar with the lingo
of orchestra conducting and actually I was just leading up to the fact that
our hero playing the guitar in this song looks far from believable. In
fact it looks more like he is trying to shake a bug off his finger! :)
Inspite of that, this beautiful dreamy S.D. Burman composition sung by
Hemant Kumar is picturized very tastefully by a director whose song
picturizations are always a treat to watch. And to add to the magic, Geeta
Bali looks delectable. Will she fall for this rogue who is calling out to
her to listen to his heart? Will the same magic of the night and moonlight
ever return? Will he succeed in ensnaring her in his 'web' of charm?
SONG: Yeh raat yeh chaandini phir kahaan, sun ja dil ki daastaan
SINGER(s): Hemant Kumar
MOVIE: Jaal (1952)
STARRING: Dev Anand, Geeta Bali, K.N. Singh, Johny Walker
MUSIC: S.D. Burman
LYRICS: Sahir Ludhianavi
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Pigla hai sona door gagan mein (Lata Mangeshkar)
Chaandini raaten pyaar ki baaten (Lata Mangeshkar, Hemant Kumar)
De bhi chuke hum dil nazraana dil ka (Kishore Kumar, Geeta Dutt)
Yeh raat yeh chaandini phir kahaan (Hemant Kumar)
Chori chori meri gali aana hai buRa (Lata Mangeshkar and chorus)
Dum laga ke (Geeta Dutt)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[Host] Tidbit: The director, Guru Dutt, does a cameo appearance as one of
the fishermen during the song "Dum laga ke" sung by Geeta Bali on screen.
A musical tidbit: N. Dutta assisted S.D. Burman in this movie.
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
Guitar, piece of wood, anything would have worked when one is evergreen,
romantic and charming, right? :)
[Host] Right! And don't forget Handsome. :) No one has ever, ever looked
more handsome than Dev Anand does in this movie.
Malini & Balaji: >>
Funny that you bring up the hero's guitar playing. I'd have to really
strain myself to come up one instance where the so-called "artiste"
appears to be really "playing" the instrument on the screen. In fact,
these scenes are so horrendous that one feels like breaking something up
watching them. Why can't the directors pay attention to these relatively
minor details? One can write volumes about this ludicrous phenomenon
related to the Indian movies.
[Host] One instance in which the instrument played on screen by the artist
looks entirely believable is Dilip Kumar playing the violin in "Musaafir".
Salil Chowdhary's music is as usual wonderful.
Also, I have heard a lot about Shivaji Ganeshan playing the 'naadaswaram'
in the Tamil movie "Thillana Mohanambal", but haven't see it.
What about "Goonj Uthi Shehnai"? Isn't Rajendra Kumar a 'shehnai' player?
Does he do a good job? Nah, forget I asked that.
Chetan: >>
One pair of tandem songs where it is difficult to decide which one is
better. I would go for the duet. If only for the 50s voice of Lata. She
was THE VOICE, if anybody !
Snehal B. Oza: >>
Should this song qualify for this quiz (C-14)?
UVR: >>
How is this a rooTHnaa manaanaa song? I can't figure!
[Host] The situation is as follows: Geeta Bali is warned by Dev's
ex-girlfriend that Dev is a crook who will break her heart after using her
for smuggling the gold. So when Dev asks her to rendevous with him that
night in front of her house, she refuses and runs away (angrily). Dev
sings the song to lure her back to him.
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Want to hear a PJ?
Heroine: Tum jaise maskhare ke saath do char ghadi hans khelna
doosri baat hai, par zindagi guzaarna? Chee!
Hero: Kise kaha maskhara?
Heroine: Tumhe
Hero: KISE?
Heroine: Bas baba bas!
Hero: Aji memsaab, bus toh yahaan nahin hai lekin cycle
haazir hai! Chaliyega?
The heroine is furious and the hero is cracking lame jokes?!! Well not
only that, he wants her to continue being angry so that he can continue
cajoling her. He finds it quite adorable, he says. What does the heroine
say?? Surprisingly, she seems to agree that some disagreements add spice
to life.
A Lata-Mukesh duet set to music by Shankar-Jaikishan. Other than Mukesh,
Subir Sen also playbacks for the hero in this movie and a popular song by
him is the title song from the movie about the bird of hope.
SONG: Tum roothi raho main manaata rahoon
ki in adaaon pe aur pyaar aata hai
Thode shiqwe bhi ho, kuchh shiqaayat bhi ho
toh maza jeene ka aur bhi aata hai
SINGER(s): Lata Mangeshkar, Mukesh
MOVIE: Aas ka Panchi (1961)
STARRING: Vyjayanthi Mala, Rajendra Kumar
MUSIC: Shankar Jaikishan
LYRICS: Hasrat Jaipuri
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Dil mera ek aas ka panchi (Subir Sen)
Dheere chalaao zara (Subir Sen, Lata)
Apni bhi kya zindagi hai (Mukesh)
Aei dil pyaar ki manzil (Mukesh)
Tum roothi raho main manaata rahoon (Mukesh, Lata)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ashok: >>
I remember a parody of the Aas Ka Panchhi song in the dialogue of some
Dharmendra movie (perhaps Aap Ki Parchhaian). Dharmendra tells Supriya
Chowdhury: tum khaati raho, mai.n pakaata rahu.n!
Ikram: >>
Btw, the initial part of the clue made me think of 'Haal kaisa hai' as the
dialog seems to be very KK-ish
Surajit Bose: >>
This is one song that IMHO would sound better in Suman K.'s voice.
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A big budget multi-starrer scripted by duo Salim-Javed, this movie is
inspired (as you would say euphemistically) by contemporaneous Hollywood
productions, especially the 007 kind! As the credits roll by, a sinuous
silhouette of a woman is seen dancing to the title number sung flamboyantly
by Usha Uthup. The movie has another title song by Asha Bhonsle picturized
on Parveen Babi.
The song you have to guess is a 'double-duet' with both the heroes
'manao-ing' their respective heroines who are angry at the same time for
similar trivial lovey-dovey reasons. (Note that this roothna-manaana scene
has nothing to do with the mainstream happenings in the film!)
Kishore Kumar playbacks for the undisputed Superstar of Hindi films and
Mohammad Rafi playbacks for one of the Kapoors. The heroes proclaim to the
heroines that the whole country (the country which is "saare jahaan se
achcha") knows they belong to each other.
SONG: Jaanu meri jaan, main tere qurbaan
main teri tu mera jaane saara hindustaan
SINGER(s): Kishore Kumar, Rafi, Asha, Usha Mangeshkar
MOVIE: Shaan (1980)
STARRING: Amitabh Bachchan, Shashi Kapoor, Parveen Babi, Bindiya
Goswami, Kulbhushan Karbanda, Sunil Dutt, Rakhee,
Shatrughan Sinha, Johny Walker
MUSIC: R.D. Burman
LYRICS: Anand Bakshi
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Doston se pyaar kiya, dushmanon se badla liya (Usha Uthup)
Pyaar karne waale pyaar karte hain shaan se (Asha Bhonsle)
Jaanu meri jaan (Kishore Kumar, Rafi, Asha, Usha Mangeshkar)
Yamma yamma yamma yamma yeh khoobsoorat sama (R.D. Burman, Rafi)
Aate jaate hue main sab pe nazar rakhta hoon (Rafi)
Dariya mein jahaaz chale (Asha, Usha Mangeshkar, Kishore Kumar)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subu: >>
Never understood why this James Bond takeoff didn't do well, [...]
Surajit Bose: >>
This was a far slicker, subtler, and funnier movie than Sholay, IMHO.
Don't know why it flopped so badly. AFAIK, the swaying woman in a
leotard during the titles is Padmini Kapilla, who also had a very small
role in the movie as Shotgun Sinha's wife who drives off a cliff because
SHAKAAL's henchmen have tampered with her brakes. Also, you know how
certain singers suit certain performers perfectly? Bhupinder and Sanjeev
Kumar, or KK and Rajesh Khanna? Usha Mangeshkar's voice fits wonderfully
with Bindiya Goswami's.
This was probably Bindiya G's biggest movie, though she only got the role
because Hema was pregnant! Also, the movie became very expensive because
Parveen Babi had a nervous breakdown half-way through shooting. Ramesh
Sippy decided to wait for her to come back, even though this meant that
the sets had to be kept standing vacant for months, at a cost of lakhs of
rupees per day. Most other directors just wrote her out of scripts or
recast the role (now you know why Parveen Babi dies so abruptly halfway
through Kranti).
Kamana: >>
Lovely song! Hats off to RDB. I loved Amitabh and Shashi on a yellow
tandem bicycle singing out to Parveen and Bindiya Goswami.
Abhay: >>
Have you heard the song with similar stupid line "aakkhaa India jaanta
hai, ham tum pe marataa hai" ? What imagination ! The entire country
being interested in one love story !! Some modesty :-)
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(18)
There are two redeeming elements to this movie - the Asha/OPN magic and
Mumtaz - she is cute even in this vampish role.
Getting to the clue, the movie is based on the same old overworked theme of
separated families. The estranged father of the heroine is the guardian of
the hero. Not knowing that it is his daughter the hero is in love with,
the hero's guardian insults the heroine and mocks her impudence. After
this incident, the disgraced heroine refuses to talk to the hero. When all
his pleas fall on deaf ears, the hero, using blackmail as the final weapon,
threatens to walk away and never come back. As expected, the heroine burst
into tears at once. It is then that the hero sings this soft touching Rafi
solo saying that her tears are like pieces of his very own heart.
SONG: Tukde hain mere dil ke, aei yaar tere aansoo
SINGER(s): Mohammad Rafi
MOVIE: Mere Sanam (1965)
STARRING: Biswajeet, Asha Parekh, Mumtaz
MUSIC: O.P. Nayyar
LYRICS: Majrooh
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Yeh hai reshmi zulfon ka andhera (Asha)
Roka kayi baar maine dil ki umang ko (Asha, Rafi)
Yeh ab aap sochiye (Asha, Rafi)
Pukarta chala hoon main (Rafi)
Jaayiye aap kahaan jaayenge (Asha)
Humdum mere maan bhi jaao (Rafi)
Tukde hain mere dil ke aei yaar tere aansoo (Rafi)
Bhala mano bura mano (Rafi)
Haji haji haji arey haji baba (Asha, Rafi)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Surajit Bose: >>
Rafi singing a Mahendra Kapoor song
Ikram: >>
This alongwith Ek MusafirEH could possibly form OPN's best....
Kamana: >>
Another whopper hit featuring the sayonara specialist. No wonder Asha
Parekh was everybody's lucky mascot ranging from Biswajeet, Joy Mukherjee
to Dharmendra. She has the highest % of hits among the heroines. the male
section in the same category is topped by Jubilee Kumar
Suneeta Donepudi: >>
Comments on the actress: I always felt that mumtaz looked like a vamp
even in normal roles ... never liked her.
Abhay: >>
Why didn't you choose the better known, 'hamadam mere man bhi jao" ?
[Host] I like "tukde hain mere dil ke" better.
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In one of Mani Rathnam's early movies, "Mouna Raagam", Revathi's character
is in a similar predicament to Hema Malini's in this Ramesh Sippy movie
from 1971. Memories of her previous lover (played by Karthik), who is shot
on the day they are to be married, haunt her and she is not able to accept
her husband (played by Mohan) in her life. As an aside, "Mouna Raagam" has
great music by Ilayaraja.
The Hindi movie we are concerned with here also has some nice music by
Shankar-Jaikishan. And in the song you have to guess, Shammi Kapoor, who
plays a parallel to Mohan's character in "Mouna Raagam", is NOT manaoing
Hema Malini. It is a chubby little angry girl in a cute short skirt
walking away with her ponytail flailing in the air behind her, pouting.
Shammi Kapoor follows her in his jeep singing this amusing kids' song to
make her smile.
SONG: Sun lo sunata hoon tumko kahaani,
rootho na humse O gudiyon ki raani, re mama re mama re
SINGER(s): Mohammad Rafi
MOVIE: Andaaz (1971)
STARRING: Shammi Kapoor, Hema Malini, Rajesh Khanna
MUSIC: Shankar Jaikishan
LYRICS: Hasrat Jaipuri
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Zindagi ek safar hai suhaana (Kishore)
Haina bolo bolo (Rafi, Suman, Sushma, Pratibha)
Dil use do jo jaan de de (Rafi, Asha)
Re mama re mama (Rafi)
Mujhe pyaas aesi pyaas lagi hai (Asha)
Zindagi ek safar hai suhaana (Asha)
Zindagi ek safar hai suhaana (Rafi, Kishore)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subu: >>
Mouna Ragam is one of my all time favourite movies. Mohan did surprise
with how well he underplayed that role. The soundtrack of Mouna Ragam is
also great. Now I have to head to the video store and rent that movie
again.
Anand Tiwari: >>
Mouna Ragam is infinitely better than Andaz.
Malini & Balaji: >>
Just to set the record straight. "mouna raagam" was much after "andaaz",
right?
[Host] Yup, "Mouna Raagam" came more than a decade later. The statement
about similarity in the storyline is just an observation, nothing more.
But, interestingly Mani Rathnam has, in an interview, admitted to being
influenced by Ramesh Sippy's work.
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This film has a popular title song - a Kishore solo, sung on screen by the
disillusioned and confused hero. Why is he confused? Ok, let me go
offtrack a bit here just to satisfy your curiosity - though the Kishore
song is NOT the one you have to guess. He is confused because the heroine
had no name to begin with and now, all of a sudden, she has too many names.
Can we get to our clue?
It all begins with a playful snowfight on the beautiful slopes of Simla.
She starts pouting after getting hit by a snowball and walks away refusing
to talk to him. He follows her apologizing, but to his surprise she starts
yelling for help and a crowd of people come to her rescue. There is a
burly Sardarji in the crowd who addresses the hero as "OYE! TARZAN IN
TOWN"! That is hilarious because this actor has infact a very amicable
face and is fondly known as "Hari Bhai" in real life.
However when the crowd starts manhandling the hero, the heroine comes to
his rescue with this song by Asha Bhonsle - in which she simultaneously
tries to mollify the annoyed hero and calm the aroused crowd.
SONG: Logon na maaro ise, yahi toh mera dildaar hai
...kaahe ko rootha deewana mera
tu hi toh sapna suhaana mera
SINGER(s): Asha Bhonsle
MOVIE: Anaamika (1973)
STARRING: Sanjeev Kumar, Jaya Bhaduri
MUSIC: R.D. Burman
LYRICS: Majrooh
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Logon na maaro ise yahi toh mera dildaar hai (Asha)
Baahon mein chale aao (Lata)
Meri bheegi bheegi si palkon pe reh gaye (Kishore Kumar)
Aaj ki raat (Asha)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Surajit's response: >>
hus-n haazir hai.n muhabbat kii sazaa paane ko
koi paththar se naa maare mere diivaane ko
Lata in Laila Majnu. All right, :-) the real answer:
Ikram: >>
Hmm, heroine is back to her pallu-adjusting ways in the title song, 'tis
true. :) :)
[Host] Told you so!
Anup Pandey: >>
That's second Jaya movie you have in your clue so I guess you like her
after all. :)
[Host] Hmmphh.
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"MOGAMBO KHUSH HUA"!
Ring a bell? After giving us Gabbar Singh and Shaakaal, Salim-Javed tried
to come up with yet another memorable villian in this 80s film. However,
Sridevi, who plays the character of an impulsive crime reporter, steals the
show from not only the villian but also the hero. Part of the reason may
be that Mr. Hero is invisible for most of the movie!
Now crime reporting is serious business and obviously our heroine needs
absolute peace and quiet to do her job. But the hero's kids insist on
playing football on the lawn right in front of the heroine's room and
creating a ruckus. So she confiscates their ball. And then she has an
even bigger problem - ten or so kids follow her around saying "Sorry Didi,
ab hum nahin karenge s'or". I know, I know - "S'or" nahin "Shor, Shor"!
The song you have to guess is a parody based on old songs composed by
the music director Laxmikant-Pyarelal themselves earlier on in their
career.
SONG: Na maange sona chaandi, hum maange maafi didi
SINGER(s): Kavita Krishnamurthy, ????
MOVIE: Mr. India (1988)
STARRING: Anil Kapoor, Sridevi, Amrish Puri
MUSIC: Laxmikant-Pyarelal
LYRICS: Javed Akhtar
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
KaaTe nahin kaTate din yeh raat (Kavita Krishnamurthy, ????)
Karte hain hum pyaar Mr. India se (Kavita Krishnamurthy, ????)
Bijli giraane main hoon aayi, kehte hain mujhko hawa hawaaii (Kavita K)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Surajit Bose: >>
Oh well, IMHO the best Anil Kapoor is an invisible Anil Kapoor
anyway. The only way he could get 10 kids is by being invisible; varna
shak_l dekhne ke baad kaunsii hasiinaa raazii hogii? ;-)
Anup Pandey: >>
Was this a screenplay written by Salim Javed before their split. I liked
the picturisation of this song.
Malini & Balaji: >>
Nice twist to the roothana-manana theme. And nice clueing too. Wouldn't
be surprised if all crack this one.
[Host] Most people said - "That silly parody song from Mr. India". :)
"Kamana": >>
Avoidable song. I remember it was not in the original draft
Malini & Balaji: >>
Sridevi can't speak Hindi for nuts. Why can't she either make an effort
to learn Hindi or use dubbing? It's a torture hearing her speak in Hindi
especially if her role seems to be of a typical North-Indian.
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It is just a slight misunderstanding. Kaalu Birju is not a criminal. He
went to jail because of a minor traffic offense - his taxi broke down and
caused an accident. You guessed right: he is a taxi driver, a close
friend, in real life, of the handsome hero of the movie "Taxi Driver".
Kaalu is really indignant because the woman he loves thinks he is a
chaar-sau-bees. So indignant that he drags her to the jailor saab who
testifies his innocence. Naturally, now she is brimming to the brink with
remorse and accepts her defeat and his triumph in this solo by Geeta Dutt.
She wonders whether they should be fighting, it is afterall new love and
there are bound to be misunderstandings.
Geeta Dutt sings for the music director who has never worked with Lata
Mangeshkar. The movie is directed by the hero of the movie himself, this
being one of his pre-disillusionment-era movies.
SONG: Ye lo main haari piya hui teri jeet re
kaahe ka jhagda baalam, nayi nayi preet re
SINGER(s): Geeta Dutt
MOVIE: Aar Paar (1954)
STARRING: Guru Dutt, Shyama, Shakeela
MUSIC: O.P. Nayyar
LYRICS: Majrooh
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Sun sun sun sun zaalima (Rafi, Geeta Dutt)
Ja ja ja ja bewafa (Geeta Dutt)
Babuji dheere chalna (Geeta Dutt)
Ye lo main haari piya (Geeta Dutt)
Hoon abhi main jawaan aei dil (Geeta Dutt)
Mohabbat kar lo jee bhar lo aji (Rafi, Geeta Dutt)
Arey na na na na na na tauba tauba (Rafi, Geeta Dutt)
Kabhi aar kabhi paar laaga teer-e-nazar (Shamshad Begum)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Suneeta Donepudi: >>
This would be my title song for this theme ... no the song from Kala Pani
would be my title song. How come you did not include it?
Archana Kapur: >>
Hey I was waiting for this and "Achchaa ji main haari chalo maan jaao
naa.." One out of two, ain't bad either ;-)
[Host] Other participants missed the "Kaala Paani" song too. Sorry folks,
for some reason I thought the song was too predictable to be included in a
quiz on 'roothna-manaana'. :)
Sheetal/Ketan: >>
IMHO, there is another "roothna" song in the movie which is too good--Na
na na na tauba tauba, and Johnny Walker trying to manao the gorgeous
woman to marry him, makes this a superb number.
Chetan: >>
Nice song to end the quiz.
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And finally, one for good luck - this clue will not be graded!
A romantic movie from the '90s with music by Jatin-Lalit, the highlight of
the movie is a song about the intoxication of new love picturized entirely
in slow-motion.
Aamir Khan is adorable in the role of an irresponsible high school student,
Sunju, of "pyjaama-chaap" Model High School in Dehradun. His older brother,
Ratan, however is the apple of his father's eye and the only hope of Model
High School ever winning the inter-school bicycle race championship.
Just a few months before the race however, Sunju enters into a fight with a
rowdy gang from the rival Rajput High School and drags his brother into the
fight as well. The next day, Ratan is beaten up by the same gang and pushed
off a cliff. The song you have to guess is sung by the self-reproachful
Sunju to his older brother who is in the hospital with fatal injuries. "Do
you realize how much you will be remembered if you leave us?", he asks.
And unlike what this movie name suggests, Chitrahaar-14 is not all about
winning. So don't worry if you miss a clue or two. Just have fun!
SONG: Roothke humse kabhi jab chale jaaoge tum
yeh na socha tha kabhi kitne yaad aaoge tum
SINGER(s): Jatin
MOVIE: Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander (1992)
STARRING: Aamir Khan, Mamik, Ayesha Jhulka, Pooja Bedi
MUSIC: Jatin-Lalit
LYRICS: Majrooh Sultanpuri
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
Yahaan ke hum sikander (?)
Pehla nasha pehla kumaar, naya pyaar hai, naya intezaar (?)
Arey yaaron mere pyaaron (?)
Humse hai saara zamaana (?)
Rooth kar humse kahin jab chale jaaoge tum (Jatin)
Shehar ki pariyon ke peeche jo hain deewane (?)
CHITCHAT: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Balaji and Malini: >>
A small correction here. The injuries suffered by "Ratan", though quite
serious by themselves, are not really fatal. Ratan recovers and is at the
venue to see Sunju win the cycle race.
[Host] I stand corrected.
Anand Tiwari: >>
[The song] belongs to the now rare songs in recent Hindi cinema which can
be termed "magical" in terms of music, lyrics, singing and above all
picturisation.
"Kamana": >>
Lovely song and Jatin has a well controlled voice.
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Chitrahaar 14 on Roothna-Manaana: STATISTICS
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Here are some statistics related to Chitrahaar-14 for those interested.
Music Director # of songs Music Director # of songs
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R.D. Burman 5 Naushad 0
Shankar-Jaikishan 4 Salil Chowdhary 0
O.P. Nayyar 2 N. Dutta 0
C. Ramchandra 2 Anil Biswas 0
S.D. Burman 2 Khayyam 0
Laxmikant-Pyarelal 2 Jaidev 0
Roshan 1
Hemant Kumar 1
Madan Mohan 1
Kalyanji-Anandji 1
Ravi 1
Jatin-Lalit 1
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Decade # of songs
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1950-59 5
1960-69 10
1970-79 4
1980-89 3
1990-97 1
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Total 22+1
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Singer # of Solos # of Duets/Triplets/Other
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Lata Mangeshkar 4 5
Asha Bhonsle 1 4
Mohammad Rafi 3 5
Kishore Kumar 1 2
Mukesh 0 1
Geeta Dutt 1 0
Hemant Kumar 2 0
Manna Dey 0 1
Usha Mangeshkar 0 1
Kamal Barot 0 1
Kavita Krishnamurthy 0 1
Jatin 1 0
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The End
Vandana Venkatesan
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Ikram Ahmed Khan
Just some isolated points and comments on Chitrahaar 14... (which
finally made it's appearance on my site!! :) )
Vandana Venkatesan wrote in her Answers post:
> Sheetal & Ketan: >>
> Whatta movie! Er.. the handsome brother of the director [Dev Anand] was
> the first choice, but he refused since he was busy with Guide. [...]and
> then when Shammi K was selected, his first task was to ask for RDB to be
> dropped and replaced by SJ. Nzair Hussain, persuaded him to listen to
> the songs, before making a final decision. Shammi K agreed, heard only
> "aja aja main hoon pyaar tera" and without even bothering to listen to
> the others, agreed to have RDB.
There might be a typo here. Nasir Hussain . I think Nazir Hussain was
one of those moochhaDs who used to play the hero's father...
{Feel free to correct me :)} I don't remember whether he was in this
movie or not, tho'. I assume we are talking of Nasir Hussain.
> Surajit Bose: >>
> A wickedly accurate assessment of Jaya Bhaduri's histrionic abilities
> ....except she is really a good comedienne. And her Kathak talents are at
> least as good as Sandhya's, (who is also a good comedienne, only
> unwittingly so).
Dancing talents?? JayaB?? Or was this a rhetorical one on Sandhya?
Wish people would use the smilies.. :)
Btw, I think among the people with significant Kathak bg, Saira Bano
is one. I remember reading that.
>
> Anup Pandey: >>
> She made a
> great pair with Sanjeev Kumar because they both knew how to act which
> unfortunately I can't say for most of the Hindi movie stars. :)) IMO
> Sanjeev Kumar used to overshadow almost all his costars(male or female)
> but he never overshadowed Jaya B.
I have often heard the SanjeevK fans come out in droves whenever
acting is mentioned. Can anybody check out 'Anhonee' and still say
the same? :)
> Vish Krishnan (in an earlier post): >>
> I could not believe RD allowed that one
> through. Was that a political move too? That was the day, as I remember
> it, when I first realized that she too was only human.
Ideal thesis material. I, for one, will go along with OPN's statement
that RDB gave his best songs for Lata, with the amendment of making
it 'quite a few'. :)
> SONG: Dekho rootha na karo, baat nazaron ki suno
> Hum na bolenge kabhi, tum sataaya na karo
> Subu: >>
> Dev saab and Cary Grant - good parallel
And the curious thing is that Dev is normally compared to Gregory Peck.
Did anyone comment on that??
> MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
> Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Kishore Kumar)
> Jaan-e-jaan O meri jaan-e-jaan..Nisha.. (Asha)
> Sheeshe ke gharon mein dekho toh (Kishore Kumar)
> Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Asha Bhonsle)
> Jaana O meri jaana, main hoon tere khaabon ka raaja (R.D. Burman)
Surely there is another song in STK. I remember the ending part goes
'KHwaaboN ki raani, jaane na kabse, terii talaash hai' followed by
a synthesized 'goli chalne ki aawaaz'. Was that in another film??
I am almost sure that it is in this one... :?
> Surajit Bose: >>
> I have a theory that Joy Mukherjee and Biswajeet are the same person. Has
> anybody ever seen the two of them together?
>
:) Well, one is a wimp, the other is an ideal village bumpkin. The
crazed
glazed look in his eyes in Shagird is either his true nature, or sublime
acting. :) :) Talking of Shaagird ...
> MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
> Kaanha kaanha aan paDi re tere dwaar (Lata)
> Ruk ja aei hawa tham ja aei fiza (Lata)
> Woh hain zara khafa khafa (Lata, Rafi)
> BaDe miya deewaane aise na bano (Rafi)
>
I think you haven't included two songs from this movie.
'Aiyya... dil-vil pyaar-vyaar maiN kya janooN re'
and 'duniya paagal hai, ya phir maiN deewana'.
> [Host] One instance in which the instrument played on screen by the artist
> looks entirely believable is Dilip Kumar playing the violin in "Musaafir".
> Salil Chowdhary's music is as usual wonderful.
> Also, I have heard a lot about Shivaji Ganeshan playing the 'naadaswaram'
> in the Tamil movie "Thillana Mohanambal", but haven't see it.
> What about "Goonj Uthi Shehnai"? Isn't Rajendra Kumar a 'shehnai' player?
> Does he do a good job? Nah, forget I asked that.
>
DilipK again seems to have done a good job in Kohinoor with the sitaar.
ShivajiG seems to go blue in the face blowing on the naadaswaram. :)
Aamir Khan does a great job with the piano in Akele Hum Akele Tum.
Both Raj Kapoor and RishiK play an excellent 'daf'/'dafli' -
'Aashiq' 'Shree 420' 'JisDeshMGBH' and 'Sargam' resp. RajK does a fairly
good job on the saarangi too - ' AaNsoo bharee haiN'. RishiK did a
fairly
good job with violin/guitar in Karz and Khel Khel Mein (but that was
faking
it). Any more? Oh yeah, Shammi's cheeks seem to respond to his playing
the
piano 'Dil ke jharoke meN tujhko bithaakar' :) :)
And for Mr. India,
> MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
> KaaTe nahin kaTate din yeh raat (Kavita Krishnamurthy, ????)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unkindest cut of all!! Get the original KK in and throw this one
out. The female voice is Alisha Chinoy.
> Karte hain hum pyaar Mr. India se (Kavita Krishnamurthy, ????)
> Bijli giraane main hoon aayi, kehte hain mujhko hawa hawaaii (Kavita K)
And finally, thanks for a very enjoyable quiz.
Later,
Ikram.
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
Ikram Ahmed Khan <iak...@raleigh.ibm.com> writes:
> > MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
> > Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Kishore Kumar)
> > Jaan-e-jaan O meri jaan-e-jaan..Nisha.. (Asha)
> > Sheeshe ke gharon mein dekho toh (Kishore Kumar)
> > Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Asha Bhonsle)
> > Jaana O meri jaana, main hoon tere khaabon ka raaja (R.D. Burman)
> Surely there is another song in STK. I remember the ending part goes
> 'KHwaaboN ki raani, jaane na kabse, terii talaash hai' followed by
> a synthesized 'goli chalne ki aawaaz'. Was that in another film??
> I am almost sure that it is in this one... :?
Yep --- the song, a KK solo, begins as
dekhataa huu.n koii laRakii hasii.n
sochataa huu.n kahii.n wohii to nahii.n
and is very much from 'Sanam Teri Kasam'. Kamal's character in the
film is a singer (as usual, wot (copyright Ikram)?) and this song /
concert is his entry...
Ravi Krishna had earlier lambasted RDB for borrowing a popular
western number 'mustafaa mustafaa' (not the Rahman one, Ikram! ;-) )
for the mukhadaa of this song.
Ciao,
ND
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Shalini Singh
Can I have a copy of the result of quiz.?
Thanks in advance,
Shalini.
Ikram Ahmed Khan
> > > Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Kishore Kumar)
> > > Jaan-e-jaan O meri jaan-e-jaan..Nisha.. (Asha)
> > > Sheeshe ke gharon mein dekho toh (Kishore Kumar)
> > > Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Asha Bhonsle)
> > > Jaana O meri jaana, main hoon tere khaabon ka raaja (R.D. Burman)
>
> > Surely there is another song in STK. I remember the ending part goes
> > 'KHwaaboN ki raani, jaane na kabse, terii talaash hai' followed by
> > a synthesized 'goli chalne ki aawaaz'. Was that in another film??
> > I am almost sure that it is in this one... :?
>
>
> dekhataa huu.n koii laRakii hasii.n
> sochataa huu.n kahii.n wohii to nahii.n
>
> and is very much from 'Sanam Teri Kasam'.
Thanks. Was searching for this song since seeing the new 'Judaai'.
N-S have er...um... 'adapted' (??) the 'KHwaaboN ki raanii' part
to give to the world, 'pyaar pyaar karte karte' . Scene on the
screen was that AnilK has gotten married to UrmilaM and all three
are in various parts of America and Europe singing this song,
and everybody in the song is absolutely KHush with life, and in love
with everybody else. It was almost disturbingly weird. :) Beautifully
shot tho'.
All this, imHo, of course.
Later,
Ikram.
Ketan
On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Ikram Ahmed Khan wrote:
> acting. :) :) Talking of Shaagird ...
>
> > MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
> > Kaanha kaanha aan paDi re tere dwaar (Lata)
> > Ruk ja aei hawa tham ja aei fiza (Lata)
> > Woh hain zara khafa khafa (Lata, Rafi)
> > BaDe miya deewaane aise na bano (Rafi)
To settle a bet-- Is "Bade miya diwane" only a Rafi song? I think the I.S.
Johar part is done by Manna Dey, while a friend maintains that it is I.S.
Johar himself.
Ofcourse the HMV tapes list only Rafi, but then who ever trusted them.
Thanks for the info..in advance
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
r_kr...@hotmail.com
> > > Surely there is another song in STK. I remember the ending part goes
> > > 'KHwaaboN ki raani, jaane na kabse, terii talaash hai' followed by
> > > a synthesized 'goli chalne ki aawaaz'. Was that in another film??
> > > I am almost sure that it is in this one... :?
> >
> > Yep --- the song, a KK solo, begins as
> >
> > dekhataa huu.n koii laRakii hasii.n
> > sochataa huu.n kahii.n wohii to nahii.n
> >
> > and is very much from 'Sanam Teri Kasam'.
>
> Thanks. Was searching for this song since seeing the new 'Judaai'.
> N-S have er...um... 'adapted' (??) the 'KHwaaboN ki raanii' part
> to give to the world, 'pyaar pyaar karte karte' . Scene on the
> screen was that AnilK has gotten married to UrmilaM and all three
> are in various parts of America and Europe singing this song,
> and everybody in the song is absolutely KHush with life, and in love
> with everybody else. It was almost disturbingly weird. :) Beautifully
> shot tho'.
>
> All this, imHo, of course.
Either RDB fans are not aware of this or are delibertaly ignoring a known
fact that "dekhta hoon koi ladki haseen" from Sanam teri Kasam is a
note-to-note copy of a 60's song "ya mustafa ya mustafa".( the initial
lines only).The original song was quite controversial because of
reference to mustafa.
Incidentally Nadeem Sharavan also copied the mustafa song in "Aatish" in
the song ("meri mohabbat ka hein too gawah ") which also was controversial
because of the same mustafa. Finally the word mustafa was dropped and
dilruba was used instead. Wonder how come none of the RMIM'ers notice the
similarity in Aatish song and Sanam Teri Kasam song.
Ravi ( stunned by biased treatment to RDB by RMIM'ers ) Krishna
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Subject: Results of Chitrahaar 14 on Roothna-Manaana: Part [2/2]
Date: 7 Apr 1997 16:50:13 -0700
From: Vandana <vven...@pcocd2.intel.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
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This has apparently not been picked up by several switchpoints;
reposting at Vandana's request
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CHITCHAT:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sheetal & Ketan: >>
Whatta movie! Er.. the handsome brother of the director [Dev Anand]
was
the first choice, but he refused since he was busy with Guide.
[...]and
then when Shammi K was selected, his first task was to ask for RDB to
be
dropped and replaced by SJ. Nzair Hussain, persuaded him to listen to
the songs, before making a final decision. Shammi K agreed, heard only
"aja aja main hoon pyaar tera" and without even bothering to listen to
the others, agreed to have RDB.
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A wickedly accurate assessment of Jaya Bhaduri's histrionic abilities
....except she is really a good comedienne. And her Kathak talents are
at
least as good as Sandhya's, (who is also a good comedienne, only
unwittingly so).
Anup Pandey: >>
Wo, strong statement about Jaya B :( Chances are good you will listen
from some of the other Jaya fans(like Neha :) so I will be brief. ;-)
Whether she is deaf & dumb girl in Koshish, widow in Sholay, chulbulee
&
then serious in Uphaar, married wife struggling for privacy in Piya ka
Ghar, talented wife who has to deal with the insecurities of her
jealous
husband in Abhimaan, she has done a great job in all her roles. I do
think that she had a short career and should have got more challenging
roles in her short carrer to showcase more of her talent. She made a
great pair with Sanjeev Kumar because they both knew how to act which
unfortunately I can't say for most of the Hindi movie stars. :)) IMO
Sanjeev Kumar used to overshadow almost all his costars(male or
female)
but he never overshadowed Jaya B.
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It was a fateful day in early 1972. RD's HARE RAAMA HARE KRISHNA was
slowly proving to be a disaster for the producer-director. I must
have
turned the radio on just out of habit that morning, and I heard
"Kaancha
Re Kaancha" for the first time. In the second verse, Lata tries to
reach
a high with "Bas Chup Hi Rehna, Ab Kuchh Naa Kehnaa", and there! - her
voice cracks just a bit. I could not believe RD allowed that one
through. Was that a political move too? That was the day, as I
remember
it, when I first realized that she too was only human.
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Jaan-e-jaan O meri jaan-e-jaan..Nisha.. (Asha)
Sheeshe ke gharon mein dekho toh (Kishore Kumar)
Kitne bhi tu karle sitam (Asha Bhonsle)
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Ruk ja aei hawa tham ja aei fiza (Lata)
Woh hain zara khafa khafa (Lata, Rafi)
BaDe miya deewaane aise na bano (Rafi)
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I have a theory that Joy Mukherjee and Biswajeet are the same person.
Has
anybody ever seen the two of them together?
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artist
looks entirely believable is Dilip Kumar playing the violin in
"Musaafir".
Salil Chowdhary's music is as usual wonderful.
Also, I have heard a lot about Shivaji Ganeshan playing the
'naadaswaram'
in the Tamil movie "Thillana Mohanambal", but haven't see it.
What about "Goonj Uthi Shehnai"? Isn't Rajendra Kumar a 'shehnai'
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"MOGAMBO KHUSH HUA"!
MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
KaaTe nahin kaTate din yeh raat (Kavita Krishnamurthy, ????)
Karte hain hum pyaar Mr. India se (Kavita Krishnamurthy, ????)
Bijli giraane main hoon aayi, kehte hain mujhko hawa hawaaii (Kavita
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Dr. Surjit Singh, a CALTECH dad
Ketan wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Ikram Ahmed Khan wrote:
>
> >
> > > MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
> > > Kaanha kaanha aan paDi re tere dwaar (Lata)
> > > Ruk ja aei hawa tham ja aei fiza (Lata)
> > > Woh hain zara khafa khafa (Lata, Rafi)
> > > BaDe miya deewaane aise na bano (Rafi)
>
> Johar part is done by Manna Dey, while a friend maintains that it is I.S.
> Johar himself.
>
> Ofcourse the HMV tapes list only Rafi, but then who ever trusted them.
>
> Thanks for the info..in advance
>
> Ketan
>
> A Burman fan(atic)
The encyclopaedia says that this song is sung by rafii, manaa De and
another voice. It does not say who the other voice belongs to.
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
r_kr...@hotmail.com writes:
> Either RDB fans are not aware of this or are delibertaly ignoring a
> known fact that "dekhta hoon koi ladki haseen" from Sanam teri Kasam
> is a note-to-note copy of a 60's song "ya mustafa ya mustafa".( the
> initial lines only).The original song was quite controversial
> because of reference to mustafa.
:-) Jumping the gun, aren't we?
Either Ravi Krishna is not aware of this or is deliberately
ignoring the fact ;-) that in my earlier post (to which Ikram followed
up, which is the object of Ravi's tirade this time) I clearly
mentioned the following (note the last paragraph) ---
--- begin included message ---
Yep --- the song, a KK solo, begins as
dekhataa huu.n koii laRakii hasii.n
sochataa huu.n kahii.n wohii to nahii.n
and is very much from 'Sanam Teri Kasam'. Kamal's character in the
film is a singer (as usual, wot (copyright Ikram)?) and this song /
concert is his entry...
Ravi Krishna had earlier lambasted RDB for borrowing a popular
western number 'mustafaa mustafaa' (not the Rahman one, Ikram! ;-) )
for the mukhadaa of this song.
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> Ravi ( stunned by biased treatment to RDB by RMIM'ers ) Krishna
To me, there appears to be only one RMIMer who seems to be
treating RDB in any 'biased' fashion. Is that a 'stunning' discovery
or what?
I haven't seen anyone proclaim RDB as the Lord and Master of
the Universe. Nor have I seen him decreed the greatest MD of all
times. I see many more posts eulogizing the likes of Madan Mohan,
Naushad, Shankar-Jaikishan, Anil Biswas, C Ramchandra, Salil Chowdhury
etc. Like any of these MDs, RDB too has his share of fan following on
RMIM; but by no means are they any more vocal as compared to the
others, or any less objective. So where is the so-called 'biased
treatment' to RDB?
-A.SANDEEP
In article <ufvi5oh...@isip05.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>,
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon <desh...@isip.msstate.edu> wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the Universe. Nor have I seen him decreed the greatest MD of all
>times. I see many more posts eulogizing the likes of Madan Mohan,
>Naushad, Shankar-Jaikishan, Anil Biswas, C Ramchandra, Salil Chowdhury
>etc. Like any of these MDs, RDB too has his share of fan following on
>RMIM; but by no means are they any more vocal as compared to the
>others, or any less objective. So where is the so-called 'biased
>treatment' to RDB?
>
>Ciao,
>
Neeraj,
I have been wanting to write about RDB's copying for a long time; but
did not do it because of time. These days I am swamped with tings, and
have been only a reader instead of contributing once in a while.
The fact that I am taking this time to write means that I consider RDB
as one of the good music directors. I would not have wasted my time at
this time if we were talking about Bhappi Lahari, Nadeem Shravan etc.
Also, I can concede the fact that Ravi Krishna can be confrontational,
and that fact could have made you feel this way.
But, the fact remains that RDB copied a lot of western songs directly,
without making modifications like A R Rahman does. To me, RDB had
dual personality. I loved his classically based film songs. I liked his
light songs when he did not copy. But I hated when he copied songs as
I felt he robbed us of a new song (This I feel about every composer who
repeats their own songs in the same movie, different movies, different
language movies etc.).
The songs in "1942 - The Love Story" sound to me as if I heard it
before. Yes, here I feel he mas modified his own pld songs. Every song,
except for "Ek Ladki ko" reminds me of another of his song.
I would agree he brought a new style of music just like ARR has done
now i.e bringing more western sounds to Indian music. In RDB's case he
need not have copied so many songs. He had talents, and he had musical
roots, and he had solid influence from his dad SDB. All his classically
based songs show that.
I am sorry if I am not able to respond to your comments on my response.
Sandeep
Now to answer the question I posed.
Can you forgive him for copying ?
Yes, I will forgive him as he gave good music when he did not copy.
Just like I like AR Rahman's music when he does not copy or
westernize it. (Ikram, here is the bait for you. Just kidding :-))
r_kr...@hotmail.com
> Subject: RDB - Can you forgive his copying ?
> Date: 15 Apr 1997 19:05:40 GMT
> From: san...@holta.ho.att.com (-A.SANDEEP)
> Newsgroups: rec.music.indian.misc
First , a well written post Sandeep. I will consider all my effort in
bashing RDB's copying disease worth it , since one more person agrees to
this.
>The fact that I am taking this time to write means that I consider RDB
>as one of the good music directors. I would not have wasted my time at
>this time if we were talking about Bhappi Lahari, Nadeem Shravan etc.
Same here. If RMIM'ers have noticed , I don't pick other MD's like the
one you mentioned above for the simple reason that they are not worth
talking about. RDB is a different case and I feel that he has made a
reputation more than he deserved. Nevertheless he was one of the good
composer Hindi films ever had.
>Also, I can concede the fact that Ravi Krishna can be confrontational,
>and that fact could have made you feel this way.
No comments for obvious reason.
>But, the fact remains that RDB copied a lot of western songs directly,
>without making modifications like A R Rahman does. To me, RDB had
>dual personality. I loved his classically based film songs. I liked his
>light songs when he did not copy.
Since we agree that RDB copied a lot of western songs , no discussion
there.
Are you sure he did not copy light songs. Take the following light
songs:-
1. Phir wohi raat hain ... (Ghar).
The opening 3 lines is exactly same as a Carpenters song "sing a song".
2. Tum ho mere dil ki dhadkan (Manzil).
Again opening 3 lines is a copy of some western song. Someone gave a
detail of that song sometime back in RMIM. It is archived in Deja news
archive system and can be retrieved if someone doubts my credibility.
3. Tume se mil ke (Parinda) - Again a copy of some english song. Long
time back Shaliesh Phalsankar mentioned the source of this copied song.
Use Deja news to get more info.
4. Jab bhi koi kangana - (Shaukeen) | all taken from SDB's original
Meeta bole bole - (Kinara) | bengali song.
Tune ho rangeela - (Kudrat) |
I am sure there are many more songs which RDB passed off as his own. Now
why should RDB copy 3 lines of a song when he can compose the rest of the
song.
Perhaps RDB needed some starting inspiration point to compose rest of the
song. But my point is that without these 3 lines it wouldn't have been a
good song or worse RDB would not even have composed such a song.
>But I hated when he copied songs as
>I felt he robbed us of a new song (This I feel about every composer who
>repeats their own songs in the same movie, different movies, different
>language movies etc.).
Here I disagree. If a MD recycles his/her own song , then ethically it's
OK because he is not violating someone else intellectual property.
>The songs in "1942 - The Love Story" sound to me as if I heard it
>before. Yes, here I feel he mas modified his own pld songs. Every song,
>except for "Ek Ladki ko" reminds me of another of his song.
I don't know about other songs of 1942-ALS , but yes one song of it ,
"pyaar hua chupke se" ( incidentally the best of that film IMO) was bit
recycled of RDB's own song "panna ki tamana hai .." (heera panna). The
following lines of the two mentioned song(s) are exactly same:-
1942-ALS Heera Panna
kyo naye lag rahe hein yeh darti gagan dil do deta hain late hain log
>I would agree he brought a new style of music just like ARR has done
>now i.e bringing more western sounds to Indian music. In RDB's case he
>need not have copied so many songs. He had talents, and he had musical
>roots, and he had solid influence from his dad SDB. All his classically
>based songs show that.
Very true. Why should a composer who could compose some really good
original song had to resort to copying and that too pretty frequently is
beyond me.
>Can you forgive him for copying ?
>Yes, I will forgive him as he gave good music when he did not copy.
No, I will not forgive him because we are talking about RDB and not about
Anu Malik. In case of AM I will excuse him because I can sympathize with
his lack of talent. However in case of RDB it's the talent which he
misused when he copied.
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
san...@holta.ho.att.com (-A.SANDEEP) writes:
> Neeraj,
> I have been wanting to write about RDB's copying for a long time;
> but did not do it because of time. These days I am swamped with
> tings, and have been only a reader instead of contributing once in a
> while.
Thanks for responding to my post. While what you state in this
post is perfectly valid, unfortunately it has nothing to do with what
I had written. I was not commenting on RDB's copying --- that is a
well-known and well-accepted fact even by the radical RDB fans,
contrary to what some people seem to feel on this NG. [For example, it
was *my* post that first mentioned the 'dekhataa huu.n' <-->
'mustafaa' connection on this thread, with due reference to my source
for the info].
I was merely pointing out that RDB does not get any favorably
biased treatment on RMIM, the truth is on the contrary he is often
singled out (as this thread amply demonstrates) and criticized for
something that is a characteristic of almost every practitioner of his
trade.
My comments were about this negative bias about RDB that seems
to permeate this newsgroup (you yourself claim that you feel strongly
about RDB's copying only because he's so good, if it was someone else
you wouldn't be "wasting your time" --- is *that* not a bias?). I am
sorry that you missed that point.
> The fact that I am taking this time to write means that I consider
> RDB as one of the good music directors. I would not have wasted my
> time at this time if we were talking about Bhappi Lahari, Nadeem
> Shravan etc.
As far as the question you have raised --- everyone has to
have their own answer on whether to forgive RDB's copying. Personally,
I might even forgive Annu Malik for doing a dual Macarena --- the poor
guy has to make a living, after all. :-) Why not listen to the good
music that everyone has to offer and enjoy it?
> Also, I can concede the fact that Ravi Krishna can be
> confrontational, and that fact could have made you feel this way.
That is a matter of personality and I won't get into that. To
his credit, Ravi has almost always provided accurate information on a
number of music-related matters. My comments were restricted to the
biased treatment that RDB receives on RMIM. :-)
Ciao,
r_kr...@hotmail.com
desh...@isip.msstate.edu wrote:
> I was not commenting on RDB's copying --- that is a
> well-known and well-accepted fact even by the radical RDB fans,
> contrary to what some people seem to feel on this NG. [For example, it
> was *my* post that first mentioned the 'dekhataa huu.n' <-->
> 'mustafaa' connection on this thread, with due reference to my source
> for the info].
You may be right , but I have never seen anyone passing negative remark
about RDB's plagarised effort ( except myself of course). RDB's fans
just acknowledge that so-and-so song of RDB is a lift of this song.
Nothing more. In case of Anu Mallik , Anand Millind , Nadeem Shravan etc
some uncharitable remark about their ability is also mentioned when they
talk about their plagarised song.
> I was merely pointing out that RDB does not get any favorably
> biased treatment on RMIM, the truth is on the contrary he is often
> singled out (as this thread amply demonstrates) and criticized for
> something that is a characteristic of almost every practitioner of his
> trade.
As I explained above I don't have to do it in case of other MD's because
RMIM'ers are already doing that job.
I admit that I did not read your comments on "dekhta hoon .." , otherwise
I wouldn't have repeated what you had already said. Sorry.
> My comments were about this negative bias about RDB that seems
> to permeate this newsgroup (you yourself claim that you feel strongly
> about RDB's copying only because he's so good, if it was someone else
> you wouldn't be "wasting your time" --- is *that* not a bias?). I am
> sorry that you missed that point.
I am not speaking for Sandeep , but I think it is not bias. It is
somesort of dejection that "why a composer like RDB had to resort to
copying". At least this is what I feel about RDB. Say some sort of "you
too RDB ".
> That is a matter of personality and I won't get into that. To
> his credit, Ravi has almost always provided accurate information on a
> number of music-related matters. My comments were restricted to the
> biased treatment that RDB receives on RMIM. :-)
Thanks. Contrary to the image I present about myself , I do like lot of
RDB's original song as much I like good songs of other MD's. In fact I
have good memory of all RDB songs ( original or plagarised). This itself
shows that I am a fan of RDB. However when it comes to copying I have a
zero tolerance especially when the MD is talented like RDB.
thanks.
Chetan
hi Neeraj,
So you fly once again to RD's defence. And you go too far :)
> I was merely pointing out that RDB does not get any favorably
>biased treatment on RMIM, the truth is on the contrary he is often
>singled out (as this thread amply demonstrates) and criticized for
>something that is a characteristic of almost every practitioner of his
>trade.
The last sentence is a very strong one and I hope you are able to
substantiate it. You yourself indicate (am I wrong ?) in your post that RDB
used to copy. And that is a much stronger assertion than saying something
like "RDB has copied". What you seem to say is that almost all composers
(of the past and present, I presume) used to copy on a regular basis. I
would have to disagree with you (if only for lack of knowledge) if you are
talking of all the composers of the 50s and 60s. Ignore this post if you
are talking only of the present-day MDs ! Else, please enlighten me about
the rabid copying of tunes by Anil Biswas, C Ramchandra, Vasant Desai,
Sajjad, Madan Mohan, S D Burman...(the list goes on)
C(urious)
(too many brackets in this message)
(oh well...)
ps - In your books, is "copying" identical to "being inspired by" ?
Anil Ubale
-A.SANDEEP wrote:
> The songs in "1942 - The Love Story" sound to me as if I heard it
> before. Yes, here I feel he mas modified his own pld songs. Every song,
> except for "Ek Ladki ko" reminds me of another of his song.
>
Talking about - one-song-reminds-another ; this happens with RDB's
music many times. like, the antara's of
Mera Kuch Samaan (Ijaazat) and Hothon pe beetii (Angoor)
remind me of one another. try humming :
Ek Akeli chatri main jab aadhe aadhe bheeg rahe the..
and
Yaad hai us raat baarish bhi thi ..
Find some overlap? or is it just me?
however, in case of RDB, most of such instances just create
i-have-heard-this-before sensation, and imho, i do not feel robbed of a
new song - as like above example both songs are equally enjoyable.
BTW, reg. 1942-ALS, except "Yeh safar bahut hai .." which has "Jeevan ke
safar mein rahi ..." interludes (on violin?); i was not prompted to his
old songs - as u say. may be - i haven't heard enuf of RDB!
anil
Anand Tiwari
In article <5j27rv$8...@lori.zippo.com>, Niranjan says...
>
>In article <5j0ji4$4...@nntpb.cb.lucent.com>, san...@holta.ho.att.com says...
>>
GREAT post Niranjan. Thanks a lot for the analysis. As for pseudo's like
Mahesh Bhatt they are of little consequence to Indian cinema in the
end. BTW i also read that he tried to shout the other participants including
Hrishida down. What else can a crass, crude and ignorant man do?
regards
Anand
>
>>But, the fact remains that RDB copied a lot of western songs directly,
>>without making modifications like A R Rahman does. To me, RDB had
>>dual personality. I loved his classically based film songs. I liked his
>>light songs when he did not copy. But I hated when he copied songs as
>>I felt he robbed us of a new song (This I feel about every composer who
>>repeats their own songs in the same movie, different movies, different
>>language movies etc.).
>
>many important aspects while considering the 'quality' of a music director
>include:
>1. creativity (how will my song look like, when i have to start from
>scratch? what new things can i implement? what makes me feel that i have
>an artistic fulfilment to my credit?)
>2. svar-vichaar (knowledge of svar's and composition. what may sound good, what
>may not? what is suitable for expressing a particular emotion? what kind of
>special effects are needed just in terms of notes/tune/svar's to express some
>emotion?)
>3. taal-vichaar (all the temporal characteristics of the song, such as
>metre for the words, tempo, variations)
>4. orchestration (after having concieved the first three aspects, all the
>possible combinations of instruments. their harmony, timing, chracteristics
>of the instrumentation (soft/harsh, high-pitched/low-pitched, raw/refined,etc.)
>5. relevance to the theme (most important in terms of artistic achievement.
>also related to creative aspects. it can be as prescribed by the producer-
>director, but it should be made to mingle with the theme).
>6. selection of artists (singers/instrumentalists)
>
>i think while rating an m.d., one should follow some logic and order.
>it may vary from person to person. but, bashing/eulogizing a particular m.d.
>without seeing his achievements/shortcomings is rather vague.
>this rating may be applicable to a particular song, and then may be
>extended to a particular m.d. after having observed a SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER of
>his/her songs.
>if i were to apply these criteria, IMO, the m.d.'s of today are faaaaar behind
>those of yesteryears.
>
>also, about RD's classical songs, many of them are also based on certain songs
>or bandishes, it's just that you don't know the sources. however, in classical
>music, the beauty is that a certain set of rules will allow you to create
>many patterns by just using your creativity. it need not be copying a whole
>set of notes (as annu malik does it) and then just changing the instrumentation.
>thought is required to gain inspiration and guidelines in classical music,
>since it is 'amuurta' or without a form. but it is difficult to come by, if
>you just sit an 'think out' a particular tune. classical music, beyond any
>doubt, provides a very-good infrastucture to begin with. many of the m.d.'s of
>yesteryears relied on that and that's why you see such a difference in the
>music of the present and the past.
>
>e.g. 'aayo kahaan se ghanashyam' is based on a bandish in mishra-khamaaj. it
>is RD's genius to transform certain notes in a way that the song emerges as
>a totally new song.
>'mere nainaa saavan bhaado' is based on shivaranjanii. look how other notes
>intermingle with the shivaranjanii notes giving a great work of art.
>on the other hand, 'ghar se nikalte hii' is based on yaman. compare it with
>the yaman(-kalyaaN)'s of past like aansuu bharii hain, chhupaa lo yuun dil mein,
>jiyaa le gayo jii moraa saavariyaa, chandan saa badan, (even the more recent
>ones such as) jaba diip jale aanaa, is moD se jaate hain, etc.
>'jaanejaan, DhuunDhataa phir rahaa' is western. maybe it is lifted. i don't
>know. but i have not witnessed any new song using that kind of perfect harmony,
>sounding so melodious.
>RD has to be appreciated for most of his songs. bappii laahirii also has to be
>appreciated for sharaabii and similar scores, but his bad songs just outnumber
>his good ones. he does not seem to know what he is doing most of time.
>there are certain new songs based (very loosely) on indian classical music.
>though 'ghar se' was appreciated, it does not have the usual depth of yaman.
>udit's voice is too heavy and he takes large intakes of air throughout the
>song, making it sound bad. the rhythm is too slow for the song and bogs down at
>places. the ups and downs are not remarkable in a couplet and that makes it
>sound monotonous. lyrics are ..well..:-(( a similar song would be 'chhupaa
>lo yuun dil mein pyaar meraa' (from mamtaa?). it is slow, but has a remarkable
>scaling of the octaves. in the sense, the ups and downs are pronounced and occur
>at the most crutial positions with respect to the meaning of the song. it has
>a great build-up and personality. it is done with minimum instrumentation which
>produces the effect of a flickering 'diye kii lau' mentioned in the lyrics.
>it is accepted that 'that' lataa's voice is not available today. but, hemant
>kumaar's voice (though it is not really better or worse than udit's), comes
>out as if it is emerging from a temple. this is good music direction.
>though raajesh roshan has given some good music, the difference between roshan
>and raajesh roshan is obvious in these songs.
>
>someone may comment that the tastes of masses are different, then why is
>the music they like being treated as low-quality music? i would like to quote
>naushaad in this regard that whatever you give to the masses will be accepted
>with time. whatever is generated more will be adjusted to. so, it is the duty of
>the music directors of these days to bring out the best of indian music, while
>blending it with the western music. they should try to be original, try to make
>something beautiful out of their music rather than making it a vending machine
>that spits out a few brands of whatever is selling.
>however, unless people intent on minting money, on befriending goons and
>smugglers, on acquiring power and prestige are operating in the form of
>producers and industry-owners, we are all set for an 'evolving' music and film
>industry, however ugly it may look.
>some days ago mahesh bhaTT was talking about good/bad/art/crass films (in
>presense of hrishiidaa), where he said, 'we are crass. we are crude. and we
>don't care about any art. we will give whatever the masses need.' he didn't
>mention anything about the money he was getting in doing so. and that it was for
>the money he was into it. and that he did not give a damn if the society suffers
>from it.
>i felt like punching his teeth out, but would only have damaged my tv set in the
>process.
>
>niranjan
>(nira...@trddc.ernet.in)
niranjan_r._pedanekar
In article <5j0ji4$4...@nntpb.cb.lucent.com>, san...@holta.ho.att.com says...
>
>But, the fact remains that RDB copied a lot of western songs directly,
niranjan_r._pedanekar
>however, unless people intent on minting money, on befriending goons and
>smugglers, on acquiring power and prestige are operating in the form of
>producers and industry-owners, we are all set for an 'evolving' music and film
>industry, however ugly it may look.
i am very sorry about the lousy poof-reading (or the lack of proof-reading)in
the above sentence. it shound be:
"however, WHEN people intent on minting money, on befriending goons and
smugglers, on acquiring power and prestige, are operating in the form of
producers and industry-owners, we are all set for an 'evolving' music and film
industry, however ugly it may look."
>
>niranjan
>(nira...@trddc.ernet.in)
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
cvin...@telogy.com (Chetan) writes:
> So you fly once again to RD's defence. And you go too far :)
Really? And how so? :-)
> > I was merely pointing out that RDB does not get any favorably
> >biased treatment on RMIM, the truth is on the contrary he is often
> >singled out (as this thread amply demonstrates) and criticized for
> >something that is a characteristic of almost every practitioner of his
> >trade.
> The last sentence is a very strong one and I hope you are able to
> substantiate it. You yourself indicate (am I wrong ?) in your post
> that RDB used to copy. And that is a much stronger assertion than
> saying something like "RDB has copied". What you seem to say is that
> almost all composers (of the past and present, I presume) used to
> copy on a regular basis.
Ise kahate hai baat kaa bata.ngaD banaanaa. :-) All I am
saying is that RDB is not the only MD (starting from the creation of
life, if you may have it that way) who copied some songs at some stage
of his/her/their career. There are *lots* of other Hindi film MDs in
various eras and generations who have also copied one or more songs in
their careers from various sources.
Yet on RMIM one sees only RDB being taken to task repeatedly.
One gets a clear impression that he is being singled out for all these
brickbats. On top of that, one also sees this hue and cry about RDB
being the golden boy of RMIM and getting 'biased treatment'. I don't
see what line I am crossing, or where; in expressing my dismay and
displeasure with this attitude of doubletalk. Where do I go too far?
> I would have to disagree with you (if only for lack of knowledge) if
> you are talking of all the composers of the 50s and 60s. Ignore this
> post if you are talking only of the present-day MDs ! Else, please
> enlighten me about the rabid copying of tunes by Anil Biswas, C
> Ramchandra, Vasant Desai, Sajjad, Madan Mohan, S D Burman...(the
> list goes on)
:-) Actually, it makes me happy to see such followups on my
posts because they inevitably end up substantiating my point. Here I
was, simply making an absolutely general statement, and now I have
people jumping over me with lists of their favorite MDs --- "baaki
phaaltu MDs ko gaali diyaa to chalegaa, yeh log apun kaa favorite MDs
hai! In ke baare me.n kuchh bolaa to khabardaar!" Now enlighten me,
please, about how it turns out to be RDB who gets favorably biased
treatment here. ;-)
I don't recall having taken any names or specifying any
particular periods. I made a general statement and that is exactly how
I expect it to be treated.
If you are interested in a list of copied songs by any or all
of the MDs you listed above, I am sure there are more knowledgeable
RMIMers out there to help you out. That is not the point of this
thread. My goal on this thread is not to point fingers --- only to
stop them from being always pointed at only one person, which I feel
is unfair.
Let me reverse the question you ask. Starting from all the
composers in the 50s and 60s, is R D Burman the *only* one who copied
songs? Are *all* other MDs such that they have never ever copied a
single song in their whole life? If not, then why pick only on RDB?
That, my friend, is my point.
> ps - In your books, is "copying" identical to "being inspired by" ?
No. But they happen to be my books, and so I get to write what
is copying and what is inspiration in them. :-)
TheSmurf
What else can a crass, crude and ignorant man do?
Well Anand, you forget to mention a copycat director who is full of
himself and his "art". Can you believe that he "apologized for Chaahat"
:-)
Regards
Manzoor