Geet Kitne Gaa Chuki Hun Is Dukhi Jag Ke Liye....
Snehal B. Oza
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The lesser singer is NOT lesser BUT is greater than we have thought of!!
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There was a post by Vish Krishnan as follow up, on the thread of RDB-->RDB-Asha.
It left me wondering about Asha's profile. I have many times thought of her
as a better singer than Lata! This is while listening to her songs from films,
and private songs & ghazals. Most people may not agree with me on this; but
here is an attempt to look at her earlier period, relatively lesser known; a
period when she was merely a shadow of her elder sister Latabai Mangeshkar; and
try to discover and compare this most versatile singer of Indian Film Industry
ever, with Lata.
First, lets look how she struggled in that period much like her contemporary
Kishore Kumar. And incidentally both came into limelight almost same time; mid
sixties. But for Asha the real recognition came much later.
It all started in 1948 with Chunariya (Which has a great Rafi song 'Sab Kuchh
Lutaaya Humne Aa Kar Teri Gali Mein'). The MD was Hansraj Behl; who gave Asha
her first break in Hindi cinema. Althouh this didn't prove to be a real break
for her as she remained a second or may be a third line female singer, as there
were many other singers to chose from. That was the time of reigning queen of
that era, Shamshad Begum. Also there were other good singers in Rajkumari,
Johara Ambalawali, Amirbai Karanataki, Hamidabanu and Meena Kapoor besides
others who used to sing for themselves like Uma Devi, Suraiya, Paro Devi, Sitara
Kanpuri, Nalini Jaivant etc. And of course there were two other female singers
around, who were supposed to capture the entire cinema music by their
sweet voices latter; Lata and Geeta Roy. By the end of 1949 with the release of
Lahore, Barsat, Andaaz and Mahal, Lata became first love of all the music
directors. Asha didn't get her true share despite being equally good. Besides
there were some music directors who thought of Shamshad and Geeta first in the
absence of Lata. Such MDs were SDB, OPN and Husnalal Bhagatram. This left Asha
almost nothing. Only some low budget films, or on occasions where Lata was not
available (either because she was too busy or the song was for side artist of
the film), songs came Asha's way. It was MDs like Master Krishna Dayal, Vinod,
Hansraj Behl, Basant Prakash, Dhaniram, Sardul Quatra and others who gave songs
to Asha in early days of her career. Apart from Chunariya the only film that I
can remember or know where Asha has sung is Lekh and Khel both in 1949. In Lekh
she has a solo, besides a duet with Mukesh 'Ye Kafila Hai Pyaar Ka Chalta Hi
Jayega' under the baton of Ma. Krishna Dayal B.Sc. The fame came to her way only
after 1953 movie Armaan. Here she sung under SDB that famous song 'Chahe Kitna
Mujhe Tum Bulavo Ji, Nahi Bolungi Nahi Bolungi'. The same song was sung as duet
too, with Talat.
And it followed with Ravi picking up where SDB left, in 1954 Vachan with one
good number with Rafi: 'Jab Liya Haath Mein Haath'. This lone song gave her
enough ground to establish her self firmly. But till this time it was films
like Ek Do Teen (MD Vinod, 1951), Muqqaddar (1950), Ramman (MD Vinod 1954),
Saloni (MD Basant Prakash, 1952), Bijli (MD-Khemchand Prakash, 1950), Navalakha
Haar (MD Bhola Sreshtha, 1954?), Jagriti (MD-Hemant Kumar, 1953) and other such
movies with one or two songs, gave her some hope to sustain.
Some MDs like Shankar Jaikishan, used to have only Lata singing all the songs
of the film, including songs for second line heroins. This left Asha with little
choice. Whatever she has sung in early 1950s is either for an off bit, unknown
film or is for side artists, like in Amar (1954, MD-Naushad), Shatranj (1953,
MD-Ramchandra Chitalkar), Farmaaish (MD-Husnalal Bhagatram, 1953), Daaaman
(MD-K. Dutta, 1953), Mayurpankh (MD-Shankar Jaikishan, 1953). Even films like
Boot Polish (1954, MD-SJ), the credit of songs that became popular went to
the music directors, the banner of RK Films, and Rafi, Manna Dey or Talat.
Asha didn't get credit for songs like 'Tumhaare Hein Tumse Dayaa Mangte Hain'
or 'Raat Gayi Fir Din Aata Hai, Isi Tarah Aate Jaate Hi...' that she deserved.
On the other side, the known mentor of her, O. P. Nayyar too, did not
have Asha singing regularly under him, until such time, when Shamshad Begum was
not a good fit in changing time; and Geeta Roy, now Dutt after 1953, was not
available (She was virtually prevented to sing outside Guru Dutt films). For
OPN or SDB, who scored music for Navketan and Guru Dutt Films, the choice was
obvious. It could be either Shamshad or Geeta (especially for later). This
gave Asha only few songs from both of them, like Taxi Driver (SDB), (Remember
that Asha-Jagmohan Baxi duet, 'O Dekho Maane Nahi Ruthi Haseena Na Jaane Kya
Baat Hai') or Miss Cocacola (OPN). Miss Cocacola has a good refreshing duet of
Asha with Mukesh (one of the few Mukesh songs for OPN) 'Zuka Zuka Ke Nigaanhe
Churae Jaate Hain'. A real Asha-OPN combination came as late as in 1958 with
Sone Ki Chidiya. And then it followed with Naya Daur and others. The story
after that is pretty well known and hence I would not like to repeat.
The point is with such a disappointing picture in that early 50s, she has
managed some good numbers to her credit. Since this was the time when even Lata,
was was not the same Lata, whom we know today; this gives an opportunity to comp
are both the sisters. With Asha's style very much similar to that of Lata's in
this period makes the task easier.
Now let me point to some really great or good songs that Asha has sung, ranging
from a Bhajan to a Ghazal, to a Geet, to a Classical. There was this Khemchand
Prakash film Bijli in 1951. Here there is a lovely Mukesh-Asha duet.
'Tere Liye Humne Ghar Chhoda..Duniyaa Chhodi...
Tere Liye Hum To Ho Gaye Barbaad Sanwariyaa'
Also there is one more solo 'Taqadir Bataa Kya Hai Meri Khata' in the film.
I compare the above duet with Mukesh-Lata great like Laajawab (1950,
MD Anil Biswas) gem
'Zamaane Ka Dastur Hai Ye Puranaa
Mitaa Kar Banaana, Banaa Kar Mitaana'
The only reason I think the Bijli duet didn't become as popular could be, that
being from an relatively unknown film. In this song Asha's voice is real real
good.
Then there was this great MD K. Dutta, who scored music for Daaman in 1953.
Just to mention here, Daaman has some exquisite Lata songs. One them, a duet
with Rafi is her all time great,
'Aa....Aa a Aa...Aa Aa... Aa... Yaad Ane Lagi, Dil Dukhaane Lagi,
Chaandni Raat Ab Sataane Lagi, Oo.. O Yaad Ane Lagi.'
And 'Tiru Lilaa, Tiru Lilla Laa, Gaye Lata Gaye Lata Ga' ! A solo by her.
But here I am pointing to a duet of Asha and Lata.
'Ye Ruki Ruki Hawayen, Ye Buze Buze Sitaare' . A superb song. Here Asha
and Lata sings the same tune at different pitch; and still the song never loses
it's track. One more such song that came years later was by Hensraj Behl in
1959; an absolute beauty! Remember that Mukesh-Lata duet 'Nain Dwaar Se Man Me
Wo Aake Tan Me Aag Lagaye'. During a chat to one my friend Behlji told, the
reason Mukesh is singing so low with lot of 'kharaj' (This is one reason I am a
big fan of him). It was because the hero of the film (Film - Saawan)
Bharat Bhushan (?), is in the valley and heroine atop the hill. And you know
what effect its generating! Let us come back to Daaman's Lata-Asha number. Here
Lata is singing at slow pace compared to Asha's. Her's (Lata's) is a sad part.
But this is one song where you can tell, that it's only the wordings that Asha
sings, lets her down (if at all! And I don't think so).
Then there was a 1955 (?), movie Aag Ka Dariya. The song
'Kehtaa Tha Zamanaa, Magar Humne Ne Na Maana
Mushkil Hai Bahot Muhobat Ka Nibhaana
Ik Aag Ka Dariyaa Hai Aur Dub Ke Jaana'
Lyrics by Aziz Kashmiri, MD was Vinod.
This has a duet version too; with none other but the great Mohammad Rafi. Equaly
good. The same movie has one marvelous Talat song 'Ek Dil Hazaar Gham, Kaise
Jiyenge...'.
Actually Vinod has given lot of films to Asha in her early time. Some of them
are Ek Do Teen, Ladlaa (Remeber that Talat-Asha duet 'Pyaar Nahi Chhuptaa,
Chhupaane Se' ?), Aag Ka Dariyaa, Kamini, Ramman, Wafa, SabzBaag etc. I can
recall a song from Kamini:
'Koi Barbaad Hota Hai Koi Naakam Hota Hai
Muhobat Karane Walon Ka Yehi Anjaam Hota Hai'
But unfortunately such films had some songs more popular than these. Like
in Kaamini there is an excellent Talat number Apani Naakami Se Mujhako Kaam Hai.
and to give Vinod his share of credit for giving Asha such good songs I list
here some from his films:
Piya Jo Bulaaye To Kahun Mein Jiyojee
Jeene Na Degi Ye Dil Ki Lagi.. - Ek Do Teen (Rafi-Asha)
Jo Kuchh Hume Kehna Hai,
Ishaaron Se Kahenge
Gar Tum Na Suno To
Sitaaron Se Kahenge - Sabzbaag (Rafi - Asha)
A brief mention of two forgotten Lata numbers from this film:
Mere Dil Ke Tadapane Ka Tamaasha Dekhne Waale
Tuze Kya Mil Gaya ....,
&
Meri Barbaadiyon Par Muskuraane Aa Gaya Koi
Back to Asha numbers:
Gahari Gahari Nindiya Mein Soye Matwaale
Kano Mein Mithe Do Bol, Bolke Jagaale - A sweet song by Asha-Geeta
from film Wafa.
Although none of the Asha number under the baton of Vinod are comparable with
Lata-Vinod combinations but for Aag Ka Dariya. Songs like 'Kaaga Re Jaare Jaare,
Mere Piya Ka Sandesawaa Laare, Laare Laare' by Lata-Vinod is immortal.
Some good (popular & good in real sense), MDs too, gave some songs to Asha and
they have naturally turned out to be good (not only because of MD but also for
her good effort). For example in 1953 Shatranj, Ramchndra Chitalkar has
given a song to Asha; 'Kahin Par Shaam Hote Hi Sitare Aa Hi Jaate Hain'. This
song is so good, that once it starts playing you can't resist, listening to it.
Really a magical number. There was one more such song just for comparison.
That was by Lata; another mighty one by her; 'Hawa Bhi Hai Sard Sard' . But as
I told you before, this song has been given a special treatment. It's got a
beautiful interlude tunes. But otherwise Asha's song is no less a gem.
Other big director, Sajjad Hussain, gave Asha her fair share in Rukhsaana in
1956. People may still remember 'Tere Jahan Se Chal Diye, Dete Hue Duwaaen Hum'.
But the other solo 'Tumhe Hum Yaad Karte Hain' is equally good. A typical
Sajjad composition. One can compare these Rukhsaana numbers with that of Khel
(1949), where I believe Sajjad has given some good numbers to Lata. Just to
mention them:
'Bhul Jaa Ai Dil Muhobat Ka Fasaana'
and
'Jaate Ho To Javo, Hum Bhi Yahan Waadon Ke Sahaare Ji Lenge'
Next MD was Kumaar Sachin Dev Burman. For him she has sung couple of beautiful
songs in 1953 Jeevan Jyoti. I can't recall them unfortunately. Only two songs
from the film that I can recall are:
'Chhai Kaari Badariya, ......' By Lata
'Lag Gai Akhiyan, Ho More Baalam Ho More Saajan' By Rafi-Geeta; a SDB
stamp carrying song.
But the song by Asha is definitely better than Lata's slow number.
Madan Mohan too, had had Asha singing for his early films like,
Dekh Kabiraa Roya, Chacha Chaudhari, Johari (or was it Vinod ?). Dekh Kabiraa..
has one very good Asha song, and a well known too, 'Ashkon Se Teri Humne Tasveer
Banaayi Hai' and a duet with Rafi to mention to. That one is: 'Hum Bulaate Hi
Rahe, Tum Jalaate Hi Rahe'. In Chacha Chaudhari she came with songs like:
'Ja Dekh Li Teri Prit Re, Mera Lunt Liya Sansaar' and a light one:
Rafi: Koi Hai? Koi Hai, Koi Hai....?
Asha: Jawaani Ko Jagaavo Na, Jawaani Soi Hai..
Lata, I believe has never sung such a song except a Jalati Nishani duet with
Mukesh. But that song is not as refreshing as this Asha-Rati one. Although the
'gayaki' of Lata-Mukesh song is better it's not as attractive.
One more thing about Asha that, I think, betters her to Lata, is her songs on
classical side. Some of her early songs based on classical are real heavy!
Songs like 'Nil Kamal Par Dole Bhanvara' (Vishvamitra, 1952), 'Bich Sabha Mori
Baje Paayaliya' (Sati Narmada, 1954?, Lyr: Nilkanth Tiwari, MD Basant Prakash),
'Rituraaj Saaj Saj Kar Aai' (Shiv Kanya, 1954), 'Murali Na Chhed Kaanha, Mora
Ang Ang Lehraaye' (Purani Pehchaan), 'Re Re Bahaar Aai' (Jai Hanumaan ??),
'Nav Prabhaat Ayaa Jaago Re' (Shri Krishna Lila), and 'ChhaNaNa Chhum, ChhaNaNa
Chhum Payal Baaje Mori' (Rup Kumaari, MD S. N. Tripathi) are really a shot in
the arm.
All these songs can give you an idea of her voice control & voice modulation
required while recording/singing, and 'Laykaari'. I always find Lata, being
not so effortless as Asha; while rendering songs, where changes of sur,
saptak is more frequent. 'Chhota Saa Baalma' of Ragini (MD O. P. Nayyar) is one
such example.
Before concluding I would like to list some of her best songs (IMHO), of that
era, most unjust to her and the most sweet to our ears.
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'Tum Bade Wo Ho Muhobat Ka Maza Kya Jaano'
'O Julmi Naina Roeja Tu Piya Ki Yaad Me' both from Imaan, first one a
duet with Talat. MD of the film was Pt. Motiram. I have no information about him
except this one film.
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'Are O Sanam Tuze Tamanna Ro Ke Kehti Hai'
'Jab Lagi Chot Pe Chot To Dil Chur Ho Gaya
Hum Se Wafa Karane Wala Majboor Ho Gaya'
Both the above from Madan Mohan's treat from Johari. Second one is a duet with
Rafi. A very good number. Some more Rafi-Asha evergreen songs:
'Teri Yaad Aa Rahi Hai O Dil Me Basane Waale' - Hazaar Raten
'Banaane Wale Kya Tune Yehi Duniya Banayi Hai'
Jalpari, MD - Pt. Govindram
And one more ace by them...
'Zumati Hai Nazar Zumata Hai Pyaar
Ye Nazar Chhin Kar Le Gai Dil Utaar' - Haaimatai MD - S. N. Tripathi
All these songs are comparable to any of Rafi-Lata duets and are far better than
many of them.
In fact the best comparison comes in Laila-Majanu (1953). Two songs are notic-
able here. One by Talat-Lata (MD Gulam Mohammad) and other by Talat-Asha (MD -
Sardaar Mallick).
'Bahaaron Ki Duniyaa Pukaare Tu Aaja
Tere Muntazir Hain Sitaare Tu Aaja' (Talat-Asha)
And following is by Talat-Lata
'Aasmaan Waale Teri, Duniyaa Se Ji Ghabara Gayaa
Chaar Din Ki Chaandni Me Gham Ka Baadal Chha Gayaa'
Can anyone say Lata duet is better than Asha's ? I think both are very good. May
be Asha's is little better. Even if it isn't, I really believe that Lata's duet
could have been sung by Asha very easily, but not otherwise. I don't think,
Lata could have generated the effect Asha has produced in Bahaaron Ki Duniyaa...
Aprat from above ones following are unforgettable Asha songs too.
'Jeevan Bina Ko Jab Chhede Man Ke Taar
Geet Ban Kar Zum Zum Naache Pyaar'
The above song is from Diwaali Ki Raat. Music was scored by Snehal Bhatkar. This
solo is one her best songs (IMO). This song reminds me of a great Lata song of
Parichay 'AnsuoN Ki Chhanv Me Bhi Kabhi Hans Le O Dilwaale'. Both these are two
great ones by two equally great ones! The renditions of this number of Diwaali..
is superb. Just to mention there were two more song from this film by Talat,
which are also masterpieces
'Zindagi Kis Mod Par Laayi Muze'.
and
'Ye Khushi Ka Samaa, Keh Rahi Hai Fizan Aa Nigaahen Milaake To Dekh...'
There was a film called Daakbabu. Music was scored by Ma. Dhaniram. This film is
known for some of the Talat gems, but there is one Asha masterpiece too.
'Sapane Tut Gaye, Sapane Tut Gaye
Man Me Prit Basaane Wale, Man Ko Lun Gaye'
More famous song from this film is by Talat and the same by Talat and Mubarak
Begum as duet. The later version is released by HMV on Talat duets 4 cassette
pack. Solo is also a treat. I am referring to 'Ghir Ghir Aaye Badaravaa Kaare
Rang Bhare Madh Bhare Pyaare Pyaare'
Then this film in 1958; which brought one female singer her maiden song in the
hindi films; Suman Kalyanpur; and film Mangu. Some memorable songs by Asha are
to be found here too.
'Bol Pardesiyaa, Ye Tune Kya Kiya
Apana Bana Ke Hae Daga De Diya'
and
'Bol Ai Dil Pyaar Se .........
Yehi Hai Mauka, Kha Nahi Dhoka ....'
This was a song where there was a touch of Geeta style.
Then there is one by an MD called Kamal Mitra. He had two films to my knowledge
,both with similar names. One Yahudi Ki Beti, from where I picked up this gem
of Asha: 'Pyaar Ka Jab Paimaana Chhalaka' which is on the line of Diwaali Ki
Raat song, discussed earlier, but the former is real real great. The other
film of this MD I was referring to is, Yahudi Ki Ladaki. There is one superb
song 'Pyaar Beqaraar Pyaar Ki Pukaar Sun', more famous by its Rafi version, but
its Lata version, is a 100 % gold.
One more film where, this time Lata had only one song and the rest were by Asha,
is 1955 N. Datta classic Marrine Drive. Here she has some better songs.
'Raten Jagake Sapane Sajaake, Kaliyan Chuni Hai Tere Pyaar Ke Liye'
and my favourite
'Raat Sumsaan Hai, Zindagi Viraan Hai
Kisko Awaaz Den Soya Bhagavaan Hai'
Also there was this great Rafi song: 'Ab Woh Karam Karen Ke Sitam Mein Nashe
Men Hun'.
Before ending this article I would like to add one more to the above list. Its
from the film, that brought her to the front.
'Wo Din Kahan Gaye Mere Wo Din Kahan Gaye
Sapano Se Mithe Geeton Se Pyaare, Wo Din Kahan Gaye'
Yes, those days are gone. That melody has gone. Anyway, when I listen to these
and many others that I have not included in this article (not because they are
not good, but to keep it short. I know it's not :) But let me tell you some
those not found here, are the BEST Asha numbers too. But let them stay away for
some more time from net.) I think about her, and then think about those Lata
numbers, that could have been Asha's too, alas if things were different then.
I honestly believe that, if Asha may not have done better job (I believe, she
would have), at the same time she would have sung them *all* as good. But....
Snehal
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Ashok
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> There was a post by Vish Krishnan as follow up, on the thread of RDB-->RDB-Asha.
> It left me wondering about Asha's profile. I have many times thought of her
> as a better singer than Lata! This is while listening to her songs from films,
> and private songs & ghazals. Most people may not agree with me on this; but
> here is an attempt to look at her earlier period, relatively lesser known; a
> period when she was merely a shadow of her elder sister Latabai Mangeshkar; and
> try to discover and compare this most versatile singer of Indian Film Industry
> ever, with Lata.
>
Wow, Snehal! What an audacious project! When I read the above, what floated in
my mind were images of someone tilting at wind-mills, trying to disprove a law of
nature, etc! I must say you have almost pulled the impossible off! You made a
believer out of me, at least for the duration I was enthralled by your article.
It's said that god is in the details and the amount of concrete details you have
marshalled to back your case is impressive and stands in sharp contrast to the
ignorant and philistine opinion-mongering that one encounters all too often on
RMIM. I also commend your fairmindedness: always calling a great song great,
never demeaning other artists' work, and leaving room for disagreement and
uncertainty when warranted.
I disagree with your conclusion, of course. Unfortunately, I haven't heard many
of the songs you have referenced and I recall a few others only vaguely. So,
very reluctantly I have to base myself on generalities. Even taking Asha at her
mature best (e.g., Umrao Jaan), I find Lata to be superior in many respects. Lata's
voice is steadier (I can only use layman's impressionistic terms.); her pronounciation
and enunciation are better (I don't know if they are musically relevant, but they do
matter to enjoyment of the songs); Lata's breath-control is miraculously good. You
say Asha appears to sing effortlessly; I wonder if it's because Lata is far more
disciplined, almost a perfectionist. Lata seems to have the entire song is perspective
before she starts so that I get the feeling she knows beforehand how she is going to
render the song, while Asha seems to improvise as she goes along. For now, these
generalities have to do! I do hope to come with contrasting examples.
But I don't think your project was really to convince others that Asha > Lata! For
example, your thesis is not "The lesser singer is NOT lesser BUT is greater" period. It
is instead "... greater than we have thought of!!" I take it to be your aim to
argue for a richer understanding of Asha's complete 'profile,' with a special
emphasis on alleviating our near-total ignorance of Asha's first decade. Your article
succeeds in spades in achieving that.
Just some assorted comments follow.
You claim that Asha is very good with classical compositions. As far as the technical
content of the statement goes, I will read with interest any responses from qualified
RMIMers. One empirical pattern does seem to favour your case: Asha seems to be
espeicially liked by classical musicinas in their occasional forays into Hindi film
music. For example, an early use of Asha was by Alla Rakha Qureshi when he scored
'Sabak', 1950: "dil mein shamaa jalaake." Soon after that was Ali Akbar Khan with
'Andhiyaan', 1952 (Snehal, you have forgotten RJGK28! :)). Much later, the only film
song I know to be composed by Vilayat Khan was sung by Asha. Ravi Shankar was late in
getting to her, but did in 'Go Daan': "janam liyo lalanaa."
> Apart from Chunariya the only film that I
> can remember or know where Asha has sung is Lekh and Khel both in 1949. In Lekh
> she has a solo, besides a duet with Mukesh 'Ye Kafila Hai Pyaar Ka Chalta Hi
> Jayega' under the baton of Ma. Krishna Dayal B.Sc.
Her first solo is supposed to be from 'Raat Ki Rani' in 1949.
> And it followed with Ravi picking up where SDB left, in 1954 Vachan with one
> good number with Rafi: 'Jab Liya Haath Mein Haath'. This lone song gave her
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> enough ground to establish her self firmly. But till this time it was films
> like Ek Do Teen (MD Vinod, 1951), Muqqaddar (1950), Ramman (MD Vinod 1954),
> Saloni (MD Basant Prakash, 1952), Bijli (MD-Khemchand Prakash, 1950), Navalakha
> Haar (MD Bhola Sreshtha, 1954?), Jagriti (MD-Hemant Kumar, 1953) and other such
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> movies with one or two songs, gave her some hope to sustain.
>
Vachan also had an Asha solo, which was a big hit, right?
"chandamama door ke, pue pakaae boor ke".
BTW, is it written by Ravi also?
'Jagriti' was more important than you imply above. The film was a huge hit and
so were all the songs, including "chalo chale ma". Hemant Kumar's role in
establishing Asha has been quite significant. In addition to 'Jagriti' there is
'Shart' of the same year. It's a unique case in that it has great songs by all
three female singers (Asha, Geeta, and Lata, in alphabetical order :)): Must be
the only such film. I would like to hear from anyone who has seen the film
regarding the picturization of all these female songs.
Lata has: dekho vo chaand chupke (duet with Hemant)
mere taqdeer ke maalik
piyaa main to hui baawari
Geeta has: na ye chaand hoga (tandem with Hemant)
chaand ghaTane lagaa
and Asha: chalaa kaafilaa pyar ka
jaana na chhoDke
dil mera hai deevaana
mere hamsafar
Take your pick who comes off the best!
>
> But unfortunately such films had some songs more popular than these. Like
> in Kaamini there is an excellent Talat number Apani Naakami Se Mujhako Kaam Hai.
"anani naakaami se mujhko kaam hai" is from Shantaram's 'Subah Ka Tara' (CR music).
> Some good (popular & good in real sense), MDs too, gave some songs to Asha and
> they have naturally turned out to be good (not only because of MD but also for
> her good effort). For example in 1953 Shatranj, Ramchndra Chitalkar has
> given a song to Asha; 'Kahin Par Shaam Hote Hi Sitare Aa Hi Jaate Hain'. This
> song is so good, that once it starts playing you can't resist, listening to it.
> Really a magical number. There was one more such song just for comparison.
> That was by Lata; another mighty one by her; 'Hawa Bhi Hai Sard Sard' . But as
> I told you before, this song has been given a special treatment. It's got a
> beautiful interlude tunes. But otherwise Asha's song is no less a gem.
I think 'Shatranj' was a bit later, more like 1956. I believe CR breadthrough
for Asha came in 'Meenar' though I don't remember any of the songs. There is a
lovely Talat-Asha duet
mere jeevan mein aayaa hai kaun
Talat does all the singing and Asha hums in the background almost through the
song. I am not sure if it's from 'Meenar' or 'Pyase Nain'; in the latter case
the MD would be SK Pal, who worked with Timir Baran on 'Baadbaan.'
> Madan Mohan too, had had Asha singing for his early films like,
> Dekh Kabiraa Roya, Chacha Chaudhari, Johari (or was it Vinod ?). Dekh Kabiraa..
> has one very good Asha song, and a well known too, 'Ashkon Se Teri Humne Tasveer
> Banaayi Hai' and a duet with Rafi to mention to. That one is: 'Hum Bulaate Hi
> Rahe, Tum Jalaate Hi Rahe'. In Chacha Chaudhari she came with songs like:
> 'Ja Dekh Li Teri Prit Re, Mera Lunt Liya Sansaar' and a light one:
> Rafi: Koi Hai? Koi Hai, Koi Hai....?
> Asha: Jawaani Ko Jagaavo Na, Jawaani Soi Hai..
>
I don't think 'Johari' is Madan Mohan's. Also 'Dekh Kabira Roya' is somewhat
later, 1957. Before that, there was 'Mem Saheb':
kehtaa hai dil tum ho mere liye (Talat-Asha)
dil dil se mila kar dekho (Kishore/Asha tandem)
> One more thing about Asha that, I think, betters her to Lata, is her songs on
> classical side. Some of her early songs based on classical are real heavy!
> Songs like 'Nil Kamal Par Dole Bhanvara' (Vishvamitra, 1952), 'Bich Sabha Mori
> Baje Paayaliya' (Sati Narmada, 1954?, Lyr: Nilkanth Tiwari, MD Basant Prakash),
> 'Rituraaj Saaj Saj Kar Aai' (Shiv Kanya, 1954), 'Murali Na Chhed Kaanha, Mora
> Ang Ang Lehraaye' (Purani Pehchaan), 'Re Re Bahaar Aai' (Jai Hanumaan ??),
> 'Nav Prabhaat Ayaa Jaago Re' (Shri Krishna Lila), and 'ChhaNaNa Chhum, ChhaNaNa
> Chhum Payal Baaje Mori' (Rup Kumaari, MD S. N. Tripathi) are really a shot in
> the arm.
Hey! 'Purani Pehchan' is well out of your period. It is a 70s film, starring
Sanjeev and Tanuja, with Naqsh Layalpuri lyrics and music by Brij. I am afraid
the music is very uninspired, including this song. I hope the other songs you
have in the article are better! :))
> Before concluding I would like to list some of her best songs (IMHO), of that
> era, most unjust to her and the most sweet to our ears.
>
> -
> 'Tum Bade Wo Ho Muhobat Ka Maza Kya Jaano'
>
> 'O Julmi Naina Roeja Tu Piya Ki Yaad Me' both from Imaan, first one a
> duet with Talat. MD of the film was Pt. Motiram. I have no information about him
> except this one film.
I believe Pandit Jasraj's father's name is Pandit Motiram. Could it be him?
I have never heard of the songs or the film.
> In fact the best comparison comes in Laila-Majanu (1953). Two songs are notic-
> able here. One by Talat-Lata (MD Gulam Mohammad) and other by Talat-Asha (MD -
> Sardaar Mallick).
> 'Bahaaron Ki Duniyaa Pukaare Tu Aaja
> Tere Muntazir Hain Sitaare Tu Aaja' (Talat-Asha)
>
> And following is by Talat-Lata
>
> 'Aasmaan Waale Teri, Duniyaa Se Ji Ghabara Gayaa
> Chaar Din Ki Chaandni Me Gham Ka Baadal Chha Gayaa'
>
> Can anyone say Lata duet is better than Asha's ? I think both are very good. May
> be Asha's is little better. Even if it isn't, I really believe that Lata's duet
> could have been sung by Asha very easily, but not otherwise. I don't think,
> Lata could have generated the effect Asha has produced in Bahaaron Ki Duniyaa...
I agree both are very good songs. BTW, 'Laila Majnu' showcases Asha very well.
Note that Lata sings only this duet in the film, while Asha has three solos and
two duets. Incidentally, are you sure that 'bahaaron ki duniya' is composed by
Sardar Malik. I thought only the Talat solo 'tere dar pe aaya hun fariyaad leke'
was by him.
Speaking of Sardar Malik, one important omission in the write-up is 'Thokar' (1953).
The Talat/Asha tandem 'aye Gam-e-dil kya karoon' is fabulous, although it's true
that the Talat version is more widely known.
> Then this film in 1958; which brought one female singer her maiden song in the
> hindi films; Suman Kalyanpur; and film Mangu. Some memorable songs by Asha are
> to be found here too.
>
> 'Bol Pardesiyaa, Ye Tune Kya Kiya
> Apana Bana Ke Hae Daga De Diya'
>
> and
> 'Bol Ai Dil Pyaar Se .........
> Yehi Hai Mauka, Kha Nahi Dhoka ....'
>
> This was a song where there was a touch of Geeta style.
Something is not right here. 'Mangu' is a 1954 film of OP Nayyar. I seriously
doubt that he introduced Suman Hemmadi. Could it be 'Darwaza' of Nashad? The
only song of 'Mangu' I know is Asha's "man more gaa jhoom ke".
A couple of other early Asha songs are:
Roshan's 'Bawre Nain', 1950: "mohabbat ke maaron ka" (Rafi-Asha)
Chitragupta's 'Naag Panchami': "meri chunari uDaaye liyo"
and
Anil Biswas's 'Sanskaar' (year?): "dil shyaam se Dooba jaata hai."
> - Snehal B. Oza E-Mail: sne...@wipro.wipsys.soft.net _
> - sne...@sequent.com _
> - _
Ashok
Arun Verma
Nilesh Savargaonkar <nil...@iastate.edu> wrote:
>
>Personally I like Asha more than Lata because she is more versatile. Lata is
>great too but I don't think she could have sung some of the songs which Asha has
>sung - The ease with which Asha has sung the songs like 'Sun sun deedi tere liye'
>(the 'drunkard' voice etc.) or 'hawa ke saath saath'is just great! I haven't heard
>any similar song from Lata.
>>You claim that Asha is very good with classical compositions. As far as the technical
>>content of the statement goes, I will read with interest any responses from qualified
>>RMIMers. One empirical pattern does seem to favour your case: Asha seems to be
>>espeicially liked by classical musicinas in their occasional forays into Hindi film
>>music.
>
>only song sung by Asha (zoothe naina bole saanchi batiyaan) is the best!
>
>- Nilesh.
Agreed. Asha was certainly more versatile, while Lata was more of a perfectionist(as
Ashok puts it). I also believe that Asha was *superb* in classical songs she sang, one
example I can cite right away is "Man anand anand chayo..", which we saw in Ashok's
"Songs not in RJGK 28" series. Moreover Lata couldn't have done justice to songs
like "Chura liya hai.." or "Neend Chura ke raaton mein.." etc.
But, still, Lata has been (and is) my Favorite female singer. And the reason is precisely
that she blends into(rather sets) the mood of the song magically from the beginning with
her ever-so-sweet voice, and song never loses that touch.
It will be hard to find a soul who is not mesmerized by Lata singing Madan Mohan
compositions.
Cheers
Arun
Nilesh Savargaonkar
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: Personally I like Asha more than Lata because she is more versatile. Lata is
: great too but I don't think she could have sung some of the songs which Asha has
: sung - The ease with which Asha has sung the songs like 'Sun sun deedi tere liye'
: (the 'drunkard' voice etc.) or 'hawa ke saath saath'is just great! I haven't heard
: any similar song from Lata.
Tho' I agree with your overall thesis, I will have to point that
observations of the opposing side also exist.
Try Lata's Anamika song for shoKH mastee- BaahoN meN chale aaaaaaO
And for cabaret types try the Helen one from InteQaam (drat! forgot it!!)
Hope you know the one that I was talking about.
The problem with the above thesis is that Lata just due to her popularity
has sung so many songs that she overpowers Asha's range by numbers!!
I mean if Lata has sung 1000 songs (say! note: that is not the actual no.)
then at least 1 or 2 will be of the cabaret or shoKH type in which Asha
excels. But Lata rarely does a bad job of a song (true even today, when her
voice has been shot to pieces). Asha was unfortunate not to get enuff songs
with the greats.
Amazing isn't it? I mean has anybody thought of the parallels with the
Rafi-KK situation. I mean that like Lata, Rafi was the way to go for most of
the great MDs in the early years. Only later, did KK start getting the
importance that he deserved (note- he was important earlier also but not as
much as he became later on). Asha on the other hand imHo did not get even
that opportunity. It is a singular tribute to her greatness that we still
have such exquisite songs as Joothe naina boleN and many others, which
somehow got over looked by Lata.
Btw,re Lata doing a bad job in songs, I *personally* thought that in the
title song of Jab pyar kisise hota hai, she went tooo squeaky on the line
"Jab dil pe chhuriyaaN chalti haiN". I wonder whether anybody shares that
opinion? Also, whether anyone thought of any song in which she didn't do her
normal good work.
Later,
Ikram.
: >You claim that Asha is very good with classical compositions. As far as the technical
vipa
songs and earned more awards than Asha, but Asha is better with any song
that is given to her to sing. For example take the song from 'Khel',
'idli doo, idli doo', can Lata sing like that? NO WAY. I am not even
looking at any of her old songs.
Desai, Kishore Bhaurao
>
>Btw,re Lata doing a bad job in songs, I *personally* thought that in the
>title song of Jab pyar kisise hota hai, she went tooo squeaky on the line
>"Jab dil pe chhuriyaaN chalti haiN". I wonder whether anybody shares that
>opinion? Also, whether anyone thought of any song in which she didn't do her
>normal good work.
>
>Later,
>Ikram.
Hi,
I agree with you on she going squeaky in the above mentioned song.
I can remember one more song where she tried to reach the top sur but failed.
That song is "Kanchi re kanchi re" and the line she had difficulty in singing
is "bas chup hii rehena ab phir na kehena..". But KK excells here.
And "Ehesan tera hoga mujh par" is one more in my opinion. When compared to
Rafi her version scores less.
I also feel that she has scored over KK in many songs (technically speaking and
she has displayed many variations when reciting the same line twice in which
deparment KK was less versatile) but Rafi equalled and sometimes betterd her.
As for tonal quality Lata is the best.
Bye,
KD.
Nilesh Savargaonkar
>0Tho' I agree with your overall thesis, I will have to point that
>observations of the opposing side also exist.
>Try Lata's Anamika song for shoKH mastee- BaahoN meN chale aaaaaaO
sound all that 'free' as Asha does
>And for cabaret types try the Helen one from InteQaam (drat! forgot it!!)
>Hope you know the one that I was talking about.
You mean the Sadhana song in which she is drunk? Still this song does not compare
to Asha's natural voice in'Sun sun didi tere liye'. Further when I had heard
Lata's 'Rangeela re' from Prempujari, I did not think of the woman in the scene
will be a drunken woman (Waheeda Rehmaan). Only when I saw the video of this
song. I came to know that. (although the picturization of the song is quite
pathetic)
>Btw,re Lata doing a bad job in songs, I *personally* thought that in the
>title song of Jab pyar kisise hota hai, she went tooo squeaky on the line
>"Jab dil pe chhuriyaaN chalti haiN". I wonder whether anybody shares that
>opinion?
I agree with you on this one.
- Nilesh.
Snehal B. Oza
Ashok: Pl. read this, as this little different than what I sent to you.
There is a suggestion at the end for *all*.
> mature best (e.g., Umrao Jaan), I find Lata to be superior in many respects. Lata's
IMHO, this film has good Asha songs, but certainly not among her best. I would
not include any from this film to compile her ten best.
> voice is steadier (I can only use layman's impressionistic terms.); her pronounciation
Yes. Lata is definitely steady. About the amount by which it lacks in Asha
according to you, may be what I refer to as her Voice Modulation. Talking
striclty in technical term, I have yet to listen any Asha song where her voice
is having vibrations outside the accepted band while singing. Like at some
notes of Taar saptak, majority (may be even Asha & Lata) of the singes, find
their voice vibrating or unable to render properly. This ofcourse requires a
lot of riaz.
> and enunciation are better (I don't know if they are musically relevant, but they do
> matter to enjoyment of the songs); Lata's breath-control is miraculously good. You
I **fully** agree on this aspect of Lata. Her breath-control is astonishing. But
she tells its due to training by maestro Anil Biswas. Though breath-control is
very important for film songs in particular, for 'gayaki' in general it takes
a back seat (but certainly not insignificant). And yes for enjoying any song
clarity of pronounciation is a major factor, if you also know how to enjoy a
song more, for its lyrics.
> say Asha appears to sing effortlessly; I wonder if it's because Lata is far more
> disciplined, almost a perfectionist. Lata seems to have the entire song is perspective
> before she starts so that I get the feeling she knows beforehand how she is going to
> render the song, while Asha seems to improvise as she goes along. For now, these
> generalities have to do! I do hope to come with contrasting examples.
>
This does not give any clue to me, how you are trying to defend. Anyway,
whatever I understood out of this, tells me, that style should not have much
effect on the ease of singing overall. Yes, it might make your task easier
initially.
> But I don't think your project was really to convince others that Asha > Lata! For
> example, your thesis is not "The lesser singer is NOT lesser BUT is greater" period. It
> is instead "... greater than we have thought of!!" I take it to be your aim to
> argue for a richer understanding of Asha's complete 'profile,' with a special
> emphasis on alleviating our near-total ignorance of Asha's first decade. Your article
> succeeds in spades in achieving that.
Thanks. BTW you got it right!! If you carefully read the article I have never
seriously attempted to argue against Lata; nor tried to argue on Asha's side
very aggressively. In fact, Lata is the singer who tops my list of favourite
singer, with Geeta and Asha not too far behind. It was indeed an attempt to
vipe out the standard image of Asha, being a singer for dance numbers, ghazals,
light songs with less significance or qawallis. And I was pretty convinced and
satisfied after the article was over that, may be it will do it's job. You now
endorse that. Also, in beginning itself I say "I believe Asha is better than
Lata", but than it remains my opinion through out. I have just tried to compare
these two phenominal singers honestly. I do say, Vinod-Asha combination never
reached the hieght that Vinod-Lata reached. My entire mission was to share my
feeling/belief, that Asha, was never given better treatment. And ofcourse I
still believe that Lata is no good for Ghazals or Quawalis. She has never
impressed me by any of her ghazals. Yes, Bhajans are really moving. I think
that must go as negative marks to her. Otherwise Asha on any front was no less
capable of. She was deprived of the opportunity.
> 'Sabak', 1950: "dil mein shamaa jalaake." Soon after that was Ali Akbar Khan with
> 'Andhiyaan', 1952 (Snehal, you have forgotten RJGK28! :)). Much later, the only film
Fine! Andhiyan, was excluded on perpose. I have focussed on either unknown film
or lesser known MDs. That way Ust. Ali Akabar gave one more song apart from that
Hemant duet in Andhiyan. That was for 53 movie Hamsafar.
>
> Her first solo is supposed to be from 'Raat Ki Rani' in 1949.
>
This reminds me that, I decided to leave Mast Kalandar of Hansraj Behl (MD of
Raat Ki Raani). There there are two good Talat-Asha duets.
>
> 'Jagriti' was more important than you imply above. The film was a huge hit and
> so were all the songs, including "chalo chale ma". Hemant Kumar's role in
> establishing Asha has been quite significant. In addition to 'Jagriti' there is
Agree. Films like Daaku Ki Ladaki (MD Hemant) and others, he has Asha singing
for him. The reason for including Jagriti in that list, was that was for
children. And I thought, it not a good meassure of liking of all in general.
> 'Shart' of the same year. It's a unique case in that it has great songs by all
> three female singers (Asha, Geeta, and Lata, in alphabetical order :)): Must be
> the only such film. I would like to hear from anyone who has seen the film
> regarding the picturization of all these female songs.
>
> Take your pick who comes off the best!
OK! I rate Lata, Geeta, Asha in descending order. But again, my point is she
was not given the better songs.
>
> "anani naakaami se mujhko kaam hai" is from Shantaram's 'Subah Ka Tara' (CR music).
>
Yes. A lapse on my part. I forgot the song from Kamini. I should have checked.
It ought to have been 'Ho Gaye Bardaad Hum Unki Khushi To Ho Gayi' from Kamini.
>
> mere jeevan mein aayaa hai kaun
>
> Talat does all the singing and Asha hums in the background almost through the
> song. I am not sure if it's from 'Meenar' or 'Pyase Nain'; in the latter case
> the MD would be SK Pal, who worked with Timir Baran on 'Baadbaan.'
OK, Meenar was one movie (1954), she has sung with CR. Also an ommision on
purpose. The song you mention is of Pyase Nain. Also not included on will.
The main reason for excluding Talat-Asha famous songs, was they might as well
be taken as Talat's better effort than Asha's. In fact following Talat-Asha
songs were excluded:
Dil Ki Mehfil Sajane Roz Avo Jane ;
Dil-E-Nadan Zamaane Mein Muhobat Ek Dhokha Hai
Both by Hansraj Behl; from Mast Kalandar.
Dil Jawan Hai Aarzoo Jawan - Samundari Daaku
Nazar Se Nazar Ko Jab Kisi Ne Miladi - Hamsafar
Haradam Tumhi Ko Pyaar Kiye Ja Rahi Hun Mein - Apsara (Although of 61)
Chali Kaun Se Desh - Boot Polish
Dil Ne Chheda Hai Tarana Jab Se Dekha Aap Ko - Sipeh Saalar
Mere Jeevan Me Aya Hai Kaun - Pyaase Nain
Haseen Chand Sitaron Ka Wasta..Aaja - Mera Salaam
Kehta Hai Dil Tum Ho Mere Liye - Mem Saheb
Hume Haale Dil Timse Kehana Hai - 24 Ghante
Also S. K. Pal reminds me one of his good movie of 1950 Bebas. Some good Mukesh
and Geeta songs are here. Particularly 'Kya Tuzko Hua Hai Aakhir Batalaa To De
Diwaana, Jo Chahataa Hai Kehana Tu Dukh Bhara Afasaanaa, Ai Dil-E-Diwaanaa.' To
me this is best Mukesh-Geeta duet ever. Also same MD haas one more film in 54/56
called DhholaaMaaru. Some good songs by Lata. Although most of them are mediocre
> I don't think 'Johari' is Madan Mohan's. Also 'Dekh Kabira Roya' is somewhat
> later, 1957. Before that, there was 'Mem Saheb':
>
> kehtaa hai dil tum ho mere liye (Talat-Asha)
> dil dil se mila kar dekho (Kishore/Asha tandem)
>
True. That was to mention about a good MM-Asha combination from 50s. Mem Saheb
too, was ommitted for the reason cited above. Also I thought, it may turn out
to be a Tatat-Asha song list if I include numerous songs of theirs from that
time as listed above.
> Hey! 'Purani Pehchan' is well out of your period. It is a 70s film, starring
> Sanjeev and Tanuja, with Naqsh Layalpuri lyrics and music by Brij. I am afraid
> the music is very uninspired, including this song. I hope the other songs you
> have in the article are better! :))
I think that was a blunder. But other songs are really good. (I was never sure
about Purani Pehchaan; niether about's quality nor its time; despite hearing
the song. Thanks for this correction.)
> Note that Lata sings only this duet in the film, while Asha has three solos and
> two duets. Incidentally, are you sure that 'bahaaron ki duniya' is composed by
> Sardar Malik. I thought only the Talat solo 'tere dar pe aaya hun fariyaad leke'
> was by him.
Yes, my notes say it was Sardaar Mallick. I don't take even HMV labels on
cassettes. Which says GM. But it credits Darwaza of '54 to Naushad! (Who IMO
didn't maintain his quality after Diwaana (1954)). The real MD is Nashad as you
pointed out to me.
>
> Speaking of Sardar Malik, one important omission in the write-up is 'Thokar' (1953).
> The Talat/Asha tandem 'aye Gam-e-dil kya karoon' is fabulous, although it's true
> that the Talat version is more widely known.
>
Yes. This was really a good song, missed out. Thanks for reminding. Asha's
version is good, may not be as good as Talat's.
>
> Something is not right here. 'Mangu' is a 1954 film of OP Nayyar. I seriously
> doubt that he introduced Suman Hemmadi. Could it be 'Darwaza' of Nashad? The
> only song of 'Mangu' I know is Asha's "man more gaa jhoom ke".
Incidently, I have not heard this Asha song! :). I am aware of Darwaza song of
Suman Hemmadi. There is one great song of Talat and Suman in that film.
> A couple of other early Asha songs are:
>
> Roshan's 'Bawre Nain', 1950: "mohabbat ke maaron ka" (Rafi-Asha)
>
A truely marvel. But IMO, here it's good b-cos of Rafi's class singing. He sings
from his heart.
> Chitragupta's 'Naag Panchami': "meri chunari uDaaye liyo"
> and
> Anil Biswas's 'Sanskaar' (year?): "dil shyaam se Dooba jaata hai."
The reason for ommiting this beautiful song of my favourite MD (Anil Da) was,
I always thought, that this one was a movie of mid 60s. (1963-4).
In the end I will reiterate that by records, by quality of songs Lata is
the Queen! As I said earlier my attempt was never to, establish Asha > Lata
(which you conclude too!). I think turning a "curtain raiser" to a battle betn
Asha & Lata was your thought :) (By changing the Subj: title :)) In fact
Lata is my favourite female singer too. But Asha & Geeta close behind. I would
like to have some healthy discussion as this (which I have enjoyed), on Geeta's
eraly work too. She is the singer whom I love.
Regards,
Snehal
Pradeep Dubey
|> iak...@eesun2.tamu.edu (Ikram Ahmed Khan) wrote:
|>
|> >
|> >title song of Jab pyar kisise hota hai, she went tooo squeaky on the line
|> >"Jab dil pe chhuriyaaN chalti haiN". I wonder whether anybody shares that
|> >normal good work.
|> >
|> >Later,
|> >Ikram.
|>
|> Hi,
|> I agree with you on she going squeaky in the above mentioned song.
|> I can remember one more song where she tried to reach the top sur but failed.
|> That song is "Kanchi re kanchi re" and the line she had difficulty in singing
|> is "bas chup hii rehena ab phir na kehena..". But KK excells here.
|> And "Ehesan tera hoga mujh par" is one more in my opinion. When compared to
|> Rafi her version scores less.
|> I also feel that she has scored over KK in many songs (technically speaking and
|> she has displayed many variations when reciting the same line twice in which
|> deparment KK was less versatile) but Rafi equalled and sometimes betterd her.
Can we have some examples pleeeeeeeease of such KK-Lata and Rafi-Lata duets?
Pradeep
nbhat...@worldbank.org
>
>
>>0Tho' I agree with your overall thesis, I will have to point that
>>observations of the opposing side also exist.
>>Try Lata's Anamika song for shoKH mastee- BaahoN meN chale aaaaaaO
>I thought about this song while writing the earlier post but still Lata does
>sound all that 'free' as Asha does
>
>>And for cabaret types try the Helen one from InteQaam (drat! forgot it!!)
>>Hope you know the one that I was talking about.
>You mean the Sadhana song in which she is drunk? Still this song does not compare
>to Asha's natural voice in'Sun sun didi tere liye'. Further when I had heard
>Lata's 'Rangeela re' from Prempujari, I did not think of the woman in the scene
>will be a drunken woman (Waheeda Rehmaan). Only when I saw the video of this
>song. I came to know that. (although the picturization of the song is quite
>pathetic)
I think the song is not 'kaise rahun chup' but 'Aaa......jaane jaan' with Helen.
There is a second one as well....can't remember.
N
>
>>Btw,re Lata doing a bad job in songs, I *personally* thought that in the
>>title song of Jab pyar kisise hota hai, she went tooo squeaky on the line
>>"Jab dil pe chhuriyaaN chalti haiN". I wonder whether anybody shares that
>>opinion?
>
>I agree with you on this one.
>
>- Nilesh.