SurveykshaN 7: Desert Island Soundtracks of Naushad
Vinay
As you all know, the composer left us less than a week ago. I started
working on the survey when he was still alive, which gives me a strange
feeling as if I have missed some crucial deadline (no pun intended). I
would have liked to do it while he was alive. This is my humble tribute
to one of the all-time greats of HFM.
There are no changes in the interface and the format since the last
SurveykshaN. If it is your first time, just make sure you read the
brief instructions on the survey page. There's not much to go wrong
anyway.
To give you a summary, the idea is to come up with a list of most
popular Desert Island Soundtracks of Naushad. As a participant you have
to select scores that you would like to take along on a long trip to
some imaginary desert island. In other words, you are supposed to
select scores that appeal to you for their repeat value and solitary
listening pleasure among other things.
The list of all film scores composed by Naushad is provided on the
survey page to select from. The list is based on information gathered
from the various sources on and off the Internet.
You can choose up to 15 scores. There's no lower limit. In addition to
the albums, you can also select up to 15 songs, from films which are
not in your selected albums list. Just think of it as a one-cassette
compilation of songs from those albums which you wouldn't want to
include in your precious complete-album space or couldn't include
because of a full stack.
The poll page is self-explanatory. Apart from your selections, you need
to provide your name and email address. Also, please provide your
overall rating of Naushad's music. When you submit your entry, you will
see a confirmation page with a list of the movies and songs selected by
you. Please save the list and you will save me some work if you need
the list later.
To help remember the songs of a particular movie, you can search
giitaayan and MusicIndiaOnline sites directly from the page, by
selecting the movie name and clicking on the respective site's icon.
But remember that these are mere aids and are not supposed to provide
complete or even accurate information. Also, for selecting a movie, you
can now simply double-click on it. You can also remove back a movie
from the selected list by double-clicking on it.
The survey will be open at least up to Saturday, May 27th, 2006. It may
then be extended based on responses, requests, and other
considerations. You can submit your entry more than once using the same
name and email ID. Only the last submitted entry will be considered
valid. Please use your popular name/alias and a valid email ID.
The results of the survey will be posted here soon after its
conclusion.
Here's the survey URL:
http://survey.giitaayan.com/naushad/
Comments are welcome.
Thanks,
Neha Desai
Mughal-e-azam shows up only as 'Mughal'
Can you correct that please?
thanks,
Neha
Vinay
Neha Desai wrote:
> Vinay,
> Mughal-e-azam shows up only as 'Mughal'
> Can you correct that please?
>
Corrected. Thanks, Neha.
Those who have already sent their entries: if you selected 'Mughal' for
'Mughal e Azam' you don't need to do anything. It will be automatically
converted into 'Mughal e Azam'. If, however, you feel a need to revise
your entries, please send another. I apologize for the inconvenience
caused by this.
Vinay
> thanks,
> Neha
raaz
of ' Kismat ' is it not ' Keemat '(1946).
raaz.
mlk
"Vinay" <v9y...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147181231....@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Vinay
Apologies.
Vinay
Afzal A. Khan
> This SurveykshaN is on Naushad.
>
> http://survey.giitaayan.com/naushad/
>
> Comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vinay
I didn't find the film "Natak" in the list.
I thought this too was a Naushad film.
Afzal
vijay...@my-deja.com
throws up a list of 377 songs - which should be a more
comprehensive list than giitaayan.com's 337
Vijay
Vinay
Yes, it was. Thanks. I have added it to the list.
The latest Naushad filmography posted on RMIM (in 2003) by Satish ji
seems to have missed 'Naatak' as well, along with a few others.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.indian.misc/msg/74fbc6fdd289e416
I hope the current list on the survey site is complete. Still if you
don't find any of your Naushad favorites in the selection list, please
mention it in the Song list box followed by word "Complete".
Thanks again.
Regards,
Vinay
>
> Afzal
Vinay
Yes, it probably is (even if we discount the versions of the same
songs), but there's no permanent URL to that list. People can try
visiting
http://www.hamaracd.com/hcdinternational/asp/vaGiftIdeas.asp?GiftId=G1199&Page=1
until it stops working.
Vinay
> Vijay
asad
Saab released? Haven't heard about them, but since they are there in
the film list I presume the information is correct.
Asad
Vinay
Shahzada - 1955
http://www.ultraindia.com/movies/filmography/filmography.php?choice=1&na=Shahzada
http://www.searchamovie.com/fsa/SHAHZADA(1955).htm
Zara Bachke - 1959
http://www.ultraindia.com/movies/filmography/filmography.php?choice=1&na=ZARA%20BACHKE
http://www.searchamovie.com/fz/ZARABACHKE(1959).htm
Vinay
> Asad
asad
Vinay wrote:
> Shahzada - 1955
> http://www.ultraindia.com/movies/filmography/filmography.php?choice=1&na=Shahzada
> http://www.searchamovie.com/fsa/SHAHZADA(1955).htm
>
> Zara Bachke - 1959
> http://www.ultraindia.com/movies/filmography/filmography.php?choice=1&na=ZARA%20BACHKE
> http://www.searchamovie.com/fz/ZARABACHKE(1959).htm
>
> Vinay
The MD of Zara Bachke (1959) was Nashad and not Naushad.
MD of Shahzada(1959) was S Mohinder...it is possible that Nashad might
have also given music for some songs...but next to impossible that
Naushad Saab was the co-MD...I think Udan Khatola was his only release
that year. Apart from the well known case of Pakeezah where he scored
the background music etc. I think the only film where Naushad shared
credits in a movie was for the film Kanchan (1941) where he gave music
for the solitary song (bataa do ko.ii kaun galii more shyaam, maadho
mohan muraarii) Singer: Leela Chitnis; Lyrics: D N Madhok. All the
other songs in this movie were by Gyan Dutt.
I once heard a beutiful song of his unreleased film "Habba Khatoon"
(jis raat ke Kaab aaye wo Kaabo.n kii raat aa.ii) Singer: Rafi;
Lyricist: Ali Sardar Jafri. I'm sure others have heard it too. I wonder
if films like these can be included?
Asad
Vinay
asad wrote:
> Vinay wrote:
> > Shahzada - 1955
> > http://www.ultraindia.com/movies/filmography/filmography.php?choice=1&na=Shahzada
> > http://www.searchamovie.com/fsa/SHAHZADA(1955).htm
> >
> > Zara Bachke - 1959
> > http://www.ultraindia.com/movies/filmography/filmography.php?choice=1&na=ZARA%20BACHKE
> > http://www.searchamovie.com/fz/ZARABACHKE(1959).htm
> >
> > Vinay
>
> The MD of Zara Bachke (1959) was Nashad and not Naushad.
>
> MD of Shahzada(1959) was S Mohinder...it is possible that Nashad might
> have also given music for some songs...but next to impossible that
> Naushad Saab was the co-MD...I think Udan Khatola was his only release
> that year. Apart from the well known case of Pakeezah where he scored
> the background music etc. I think the only film where Naushad shared
> credits in a movie was for the film Kanchan (1941) where he gave music
> for the solitary song (bataa do ko.ii kaun galii more shyaam, maadho
> mohan muraarii) Singer: Leela Chitnis; Lyrics: D N Madhok. All the
> other songs in this movie were by Gyan Dutt.
>
Thanks Asad.
Can anyone having Geetkoshes confirm please?
Also, about the following:
Sanjog (43)
Darwaza (54)
Char Chand (53)
Station Master (42)
I have a feeling that even these are by Naashad. I will remove the
unconfirmed among these by evening today.
Vinay
Shalini Razdan
>
> Thanks Asad.
>
> Can anyone having Geetkoshes confirm please?
>
> Also, about the following:
>
> Sanjog (43)
> Darwaza (54)
> Char Chand (53)
> Station Master (42)
>
> I have a feeling that even these are by Naashad. I will remove the
> unconfirmed among these by evening today.
Don't know about the other three, but Darwaza is by Ghulam Mohammed not
Naushad.
Shalini
> Vinay
Afzal A. Khan
Also, I think "Pakeeza" needs to be discounted. Most of its
popular songs were composed by Ghulam Mohammed. Although
Naushad did have something to do with the film and its music,
I feel his contribution is not of the magnitude where the film
album as a whole can be credited to him. It is suggested that
this point can be finalized before RMIMers and others start
sending in their entries.
Afzal
skalr...@yahoo.com
Sanjog, 1943, and Station Master, 1942, are both by Naushad Ali.
Darwaza is by Naashaad, and so was Chaar Chaand, except that in the
latter, there was one song by K.Manohar (Manohar Khanna, father of Usha
Khanna).
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Vinay
Afzal A. Khan wrote:
> Vinay wrote:
> >
<snipped>
>
> Also, I think "Pakeeza" needs to be discounted. Most of its
> popular songs were composed by Ghulam Mohammed. Although
> Naushad did have something to do with the film and its music,
> I feel his contribution is not of the magnitude where the film
> album as a whole can be credited to him. It is suggested that
> this point can be finalized before RMIMers and others start
> sending in their entries.
>
I think it should be in. Let me give you a few reasons.
First, we have clearly identified in the survey that the movie was done
with Ghulam Mohammad, not alone. Second, in most current releases the
songs are prperly credited to individual composers so people have means
to know which songs were composed by Naushad. Third, three songs are
enough to call it an album for him. Fourth, one can decide to discount
the film *after* the results are out based on one's preference.
So I guess I will let it stay. Thanks for raising the point anyway.
Regards,
Vinay
>
> Afzal
Afzal A. Khan
My point was this. Are we going to include this film (if and)
when a Survey is conducted on Ghulam Mohammed ? Frankly, I am
not sure his total output of films is sufficiently numerous to
have a full-fledged Survey. But in any case.....
I have absolutely no problem if participants include songs
identifiably composed by Naushad in their selection of individual
songs. My doubt pertained solely to the film album as a whole.
Also, I didn't quite follow your suggestion that "one can discount
the film AFTER the results are out". Assuming that it is one
of the 15 Most Popular Albums, are we going to ignore it and then
include the NEXT album in the order of popularity ?
Afzal
raaz
ultraindia.com filmography contain
lot of errors, looks like not enough care
is taken while compiling, and no care is
taken even to correct the errors.
Try looking for information about
Naatak(1947) list of tracks, it displays
Naatak(1976) tracks list. Likewise
there is lot of mix up of information
in case of Bhai Bahen(1950) and
Bhai Bahen(1959).
raaz.
seth...@yahoo.com
I fully agree with Afzal Saheb , Naushad had done a lot more to
improve
the existing songs and also adding few apart from wonderful background
score .
Google archives has plenty of information by senior RMIM'ers some of
them
are no longer available for discussion today .
Vinay should have left this job for seniors like Afzal Saheb and
Kalra-Ji who
are more knowledgeable on movies and music of Naushad Saheb .
s
Balaji Murthy
>>
>> Also, I think "Pakeeza" needs to be discounted. Most of its
>> popular songs were composed by Ghulam Mohammed. Although
>> Naushad did have something to do with the film and its music,
>> I feel his contribution is not of the magnitude where the film
>> album as a whole can be credited to him. It is suggested that
>> this point can be finalized before RMIMers and others start
>> sending in their entries.
>>
>>
>> Afzal
>
>
> I fully agree with Afzal Saheb , Naushad had done a lot more to
> improve
> the existing songs and also adding few apart from wonderful background
> score .
> Google archives has plenty of information by senior RMIM'ers some of
> them
> are no longer available for discussion today .
>
> Vinay should have left this job for seniors like Afzal Saheb and
> Kalra-Ji who
> are more knowledgeable on movies and music of Naushad Saheb .
I must object to the last remark, especially the tone. While it is
evident there have been a few slips in putting together this list, it
takes nothing away from the whole exercise of the survey/poll itself.
Vinay has been more than willing (and very graciously too) to
correct/augment the data on the survey site.
- Balaji
V S Rawat
> This SurveykshaN is on Naushad.
>
Though everybody is entitled to his criteria, no questions
asked, I think that if some film is there where Naushad shared
the music credits with some other MD, it might be helpful to
assess Naushad if you consider whether you are including that
particular album only because of the songs of that album that
were composed by Naushad.
Just a thought.
--
Rawat
V S Rawat
I think the remark by sethna ji is ok, and I could not sense
anything wrong in the tone.
There had been a practice that RJGK and some other
public-activities are beta-tested by some members to remove any
doubtful/ incorrect info. That is not an offence to the original
quizmaster or compiler.
Thus, it would be ok if the same practice is followed in
surveykshans also. It also came out that Vinay is probably not
having the Koshes himself to verify the info at his own
initiative, but he also can't verify any tips given in the ng,
thus, it boils down to the personal reputation of the persons
who give some tip whether the tip is accepted.
In any case, Survekshans are no secret affairs. There are no
answers that others might copy to raise his score. Thus, it can
also be done that, after putting the survekshan on line, the
"submit" button can be disabled for first 48 hours during which
various members can submit their corrections, if any.
RMIM has some reputation for authentic info. There is no harm if
some tiny efforts can be put to maintain that reputation. No
offense in that.
-----------------
In other surveykshans, the mistakes were ok, but this particular
surveykshan is something special as it is being done to
comemorate the Great One after his recent demise. It is a sort
of obituary/ tribute to him. Thus, it seems odd if we end up
proving that people have already forgotten his song, his films,
his name.
Just the other day, we felt bad when CNN played Khemchand
Prakash's song in their homage to Naushad. We still talk, after
several decades, about BBC's fiasco of playing Asha Bhosle's
song in Geeta Dutt's homage.
Anyway. It was a mere suggestion and the persons can leave it or
take it.
--
Rawat
seth...@yahoo.com
Balaji gaaru , see this list prepared by Satish-Ji
There are many other music sites who have furnished excellent
info on the filmography of Naushad Saheb for help .
s
Vinay
I am not sure if you are really agreeing with Afzal Sb. here, because
you are making exactly the opposite point. And I know Google archives
has a lot of information (both right and wrong) and I am aware of its
location and I refer to it whenever needed. What is your point?
> Vinay should have left this job for seniors like Afzal Saheb and
> Kalra-Ji who
> are more knowledgeable on movies and music of Naushad Saheb .
>
What job?
As far as the film list is concerned both these gentlemen and others
have already helped directly (suggesting corrections) or indirectly (I
used Satish ji's list as the base). I don't think that the changes
incorporated so far to the list have made any significant impact on the
survey. And anyone can send a revised entry anytime before the survey
is closed.
Vinay
> s
Vinay
So you think this is a complete list? Here's a news for you (since you
don't seem to believe in reading the previous posts of the thread
before passing judgements): This is the very list that I followed
initially and I have linked this post in the thread earlier. Now please
find me Naatak, Sanjog, and Station Master in this list.
Now here's a request: Can you please tell me just ONE web site that
"furnish excellent" filmography of Naushad?
I have since found one RMIM post itself that I think contains the most
accurate film list of Naushad (why didn't I check the place that I
should have at the very first) but I will save it until I hear from
you.
Vinay
>
> s
Afzal A. Khan
Peace !
While I am grateful to Shri Sethna for his kind words, I must
express my agreement with what Shri Murthy has stated.
Shri Vinay Jain is a busy person. Despite that, his love for
music has resulted in a very fine website and exercises like
Surveykshan. We all commit mistakes and it is possible that at
one or two places, his data has slipped. Yet he has immediately
made necessary corrections and, as Shri Murthy has pointed out,
very graciously too.
"Pakeeza" : Its inclusion or exclusion is a matter of opinion,
not of knowledge. That would depend on what a majority of the
participants feel. My personal opinion (and it is strictly that,
and nothing more) is that its inclusion may be a sort of
disservice to the memory of the late Ghulam Mohammed. When we
talk about the film's music, it is GM's name that immediately
comes to mind. Of course, I have no quarrel with individual
songs that are identifiably composed by Naushad.
Though it may not be necessary, I would like to emphasize one
point. Participants should choose 15 (or less) individual songs
that are NOT from the top 15 albums already selected by them.
I have also seen Shri Rawat's post. I can only say that Shri Jain
meant absolutely no disrepect for the departed maestro. Also,
there is a provision in the Survey that participants can always
change/cancel their submissions prior to the close of the Survey.
Only the last submission will be taken into account.
I have one more suggestion. After the Survey is over and final
results/choices have been announced, participants may please
post their choice of individual songs and why they chose them.
There is of course no secret about such choices or preferences.
I am sure this can lead to some lively discussions. For one
thing, certain aspects of these individual compositions, like
lyrics, orchestration, film situation, picturization etc., can
be highlighted. It is possible that some particpants at least
may become aware of such highlights that might have remained
a little obscure earlier. After the Survey is over, I undertake
to make a detailed post about my own choices of individual songs.
(I have already submitted my list of albums/songs). These
discussions may be limited to SONG selections only, and not to
complete film albums. Otherwise, the range of discussion can
become rather unwieldy.
Even if ten participants are willing to take up my suggestion,
I think we can have a fruitful in-depth discussion. People like
Shri Sunil Dandekar can have a great deal to contribute with
detailed analyses of musical aspects, notes, orchestration etc.
Afzal
Vinay
As for having a survey on Ghulam Mohammed's output, I am not sure if
that would happen anytime soon. But who knows, I never thought I would
continue this far. In that case, sure! Paakeezah will be on his list as
well. The way I see it is that the 3 Naushad composed songs of
Paakeezah constitute Naushad's Paakeezah and the rest constitute GM's
Paakeezah.
> I have absolutely no problem if participants include songs
> identifiably composed by Naushad in their selection of individual
> songs. My doubt pertained solely to the film album as a whole.
>
And if it had just one song by Naushad, I would probably have kept it
out. But three songs IMO are too many.
> Also, I didn't quite follow your suggestion that "one can discount
> the film AFTER the results are out". Assuming that it is one
> of the 15 Most Popular Albums, are we going to ignore it and then
> include the NEXT album in the order of popularity ?
>
>
I would leave it on the reader. I will present the numbers as counted.
At the same time, I understand the point raised by you and the possible
problem its inclusion can cause. One cannot be sure how many voters
would include it in their list because of only Naushad's songs, and not
because of the more popular ones (composed by GM). I am just showing a
little faith on RMIMers and other voters here. I am assuming that most
of them would be well aware of the difference.
Vinay
> Afzal
Afzal A. Khan
> As for having a survey on Ghulam Mohammed's output, I am not sure if
> that would happen anytime soon. But who knows, I never thought I would
> continue this far. In that case, sure! Paakeezah will be on his list as
> well. The way I see it is that the 3 Naushad composed songs of
> Paakeezah constitute Naushad's Paakeezah and the rest constitute GM's
> Paakeezah.
But there is just one "Pakeeza" !
Your proposal is fair enough. I had already indicated that
there is no problem if participants include any of these
three (?) Naushad compositions in their choice of individual
songs.
>
> At the same time, I understand the point raised by you and the possible
> problem its inclusion can cause. One cannot be sure how many voters
> would include it in their list because of only Naushad's songs, and not
> because of the more popular ones (composed by GM). I am just showing a
> little faith on RMIMers and other voters here. I am assuming that most
> of them would be well aware of the difference.
Let us see how many participants take your hint !
Afzal
>
> Vinay
skalr...@yahoo.com
....snipped....
> > I fully agree with Afzal Saheb , Naushad had done a lot more to
> > improve
> > the existing songs and also adding few apart from wonderful background
> > score .
> > Google archives has plenty of information by senior RMIM'ers some of
> > them
> > are no longer available for discussion today .
> >
> > Vinay should have left this job for seniors like Afzal Saheb and
> > Kalra-Ji who
> > are more knowledgeable on movies and music of Naushad Saheb .
As pointed out earlier, even I missed Naatak in the filmography when I
compiled that list many years ago. It was probably because the source
I took it from didn't have it either.
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
PS: One of the Dish Network channels had shown a 1997 or 1998
interview of Naushad soemtime back in February 2006, and I had recorded
it. Some very nice conversation there between the host and the guest.
If there is sufficient interest, I would be delighted to post it on
RMIM.
UVR
>
> PS: One of the Dish Network channels had shown a 1997 or 1998
> interview of Naushad soemtime back in February 2006, and I had recorded
> it. Some very nice conversation there between the host and the guest.
> If there is sufficient interest, I would be delighted to post it on
> RMIM.
nekii aur poochh-poochh? Please do!
-UVR.
Afzal A. Khan
> Satish Kalra
>
> PS: One of the Dish Network channels had shown a 1997 or 1998
> interview of Naushad soemtime back in February 2006, and I had recorded
> it. Some very nice conversation there between the host and the guest.
> If there is sufficient interest, I would be delighted to post it on
> RMIM.
Was it the interview conducted by Shashi Ranjan ?
Afzal
Sami Mohammed
While I differ with you in this matter (I'm in agreement with Afzal
Sahab's suggestion), I believe that it is your prerogative as the
organizer to include Pakeezah if you feel strongly about it. Therefore,
I have no objections.
Given Naushad Sahab's repertoire, it is unlikely (not impossible) that
anyone will pick Pakeezah in the top 15 based on his three songs unless
someone mistakes the entire film to be Naushad's. If this happens, it
will be a pity. I am yet to get over "Chalte chalte..." and "Chalo
dildaar chalo..." being played in the background on Zee and AajTak
during their tribute to Naushad.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)..... looking forward to the SurveykshaN
results.
> Vinay
> > Afzal
ana...@gmail.com
vijay...@my-deja.com wrote:
> On HamaraCD.com, searching for Naushad songs
> throws up a list of 377 songs - which should be a more
> comprehensive list than giitaayan.com's 337
>
Some of those extra songs could be just duplicates, due to "revival"
songs. "Do sitaron ka zameen" is an example of that. The number of
such revival songs of Naushad is 21. So I guess the number of distinct
Naushad songs in hamarcd.com is 356.
-Anand
seth...@yahoo.com
>
> Peace !
>
> While I am grateful to Shri Sethna for his kind words, I must
> express my agreement with what Shri Murthy has stated.
> Afzal
Peace ! Afzal Saheb .Peace . My comments were without ant hard
feelings .
I am sorry if Vinay had felt so . Please carry on with your good work
Vinay-Ji .
Warm regards ,
s
Asif
for about 2 months?
Asif
Vinay wrote:
> This SurveykshaN is on Naushad.
>
> As you all know, the composer left us less than a week ago. I started
> working on the survey when he was still alive, which gives me a strange
> feeling as if I have missed some crucial deadline (no pun intended). I
> would have liked to do it while he was alive. This is my humble tribute
> to one of the all-time greats of HFM.
>
> There are no changes in the interface and the format since the last
> SurveykshaN. If it is your first time, just make sure you read the
> brief instructions on the survey page. There's not much to go wrong
> anyway.
>
> To give you a summary, the idea is to come up with a list of most
> popular Desert Island Soundtracks of Naushad. As a participant you have
> to select scores that you would like to take along on a long trip to
> some imaginary desert island. In other words, you are supposed to
> select scores that appeal to you for their repeat value and solitary
> listening pleasure among other things.
>
> The list of all film scores composed by Naushad is provided on the
> survey page to select from. The list is based on information gathered
> from the various sources on and off the Internet.
>
> You can choose up to 15 scores. There's no lower limit. In addition to
> the albums, you can also select up to 15 songs, from films which are
> not in your selected albums list. Just think of it as a one-cassette
> compilation of songs from those albums which you wouldn't want to
> include in your precious complete-album space or couldn't include
> because of a full stack.
>
> The poll page is self-explanatory. Apart from your selections, you need
> to provide your name and email address. Also, please provide your
> overall rating of Naushad's music. When you submit your entry, you will
> see a confirmation page with a list of the movies and songs selected by
> you. Please save the list and you will save me some work if you need
> the list later.
>
> To help remember the songs of a particular movie, you can search
> giitaayan and MusicIndiaOnline sites directly from the page, by
> selecting the movie name and clicking on the respective site's icon.
> But remember that these are mere aids and are not supposed to provide
> complete or even accurate information. Also, for selecting a movie, you
> can now simply double-click on it. You can also remove back a movie
> from the selected list by double-clicking on it.
>
> The survey will be open at least up to Saturday, May 27th, 2006. It may
> then be extended based on responses, requests, and other
> considerations. You can submit your entry more than once using the same
> name and email ID. Only the last submitted entry will be considered
> valid. Please use your popular name/alias and a valid email ID.
>
> The results of the survey will be posted here soon after its
> conclusion.
>
> Here's the survey URL:
>
> http://survey.giitaayan.com/naushad/
>
> Comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vinay
> http://survey.giitaayan.com/
raaz
Vinay wrote:
> vijay...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > On HamaraCD.com, searching for Naushad songs
> > throws up a list of 377 songs - which should be a more
> > comprehensive list than giitaayan.com's 337
> >
>
> songs), but there's no permanent URL to that list. People can try
> visiting
> http://www.hamaracd.com/hcdinternational/asp/vaGiftIdeas.asp?GiftId=G1199&Page=1
> until it stops working.
>
> Vinay
>
> > Vijay
Songs from Baradari(1955), Naghma(1953),
whose music was composed by Nashad
are listed along with Naushad's songs,
in hamaracd.com pages.
raaz.
Anant Rege
> This SurveykshaN is on Naushad.
>
One of my favourite pass time is to guess which movie will top the list of
DIS of the MD. Guide for SDB and Chori Chori for SJ was (almost) a
no-brainer, OPN was tough. When it is tough choice among few, one always
find them to be separated by narrow margin at the top. Any way, here is my
guess for Naushad.
Mughal-e-Azam.by a fair margin.
Anant
Ketan
says...
I don't have my HFGK in front of me, but am confused on whether "dil me.n
chhupaa ke pyaar kaa tuufaan le chale" is from Aan or Amar. Giitaayaan has an
entry for the song twice, once under each movie.
Ketan
--
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Surjit Singh
Ketan wrote:
> In article <1147293516.0...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>, Vinay
> says...
>
> I don't have my HFGK in front of me, but am confused on whether "dil me.n
> chhupaa ke pyaar kaa tuufaan le chale" is from Aan or Amar. Giitaayaan has an
Aan 1952, page 49, film 98, song 6.
> entry for the song twice, once under each movie.
>
>
> Ketan
>
>
--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
raaz
( searchamovie.com)
The information from the above web pages
is considered to be, reasonably accurate,
Naushad is shown as music director for
the following films.
1) Awara Shahzadi(1956)
Naushad&Jimmy
2) Bada Bhai(1957)
3) Hathkadi(1958)
4) Jallad(1956)
5) Jawab(1955)
6) Maya Mahal(1963)
7) Pyar Ki Dastan(1961)
8) Qatil(1960)
9) Roop Lekha(1962)
10) Sabse Bada Rupaiya(1955)
O.P.Nayyar&Naushad
Members having authentic information
may kindly send feedback to the
webmaster for any corrections.
raaz.
skalr...@yahoo.com
raaz wrote:
> http://faculty.ist.unomaha.edu/pdasgupta/allmovies/index.html
> ( searchamovie.com)
>
> The information from the above web pages
> is considered to be, reasonably accurate,
> Naushad is shown as music director for
> the following films.
Every single film listed below was done by Naashaad (with other MD/s
wherever indicated).
>
> 1) Awara Shahzadi(1956)
> Naushad&Jimmy
> 2) Bada Bhai(1957)
> 3) Hathkadi(1958)
> 4) Jallad(1956)
> 5) Jawab(1955)
> 6) Maya Mahal(1963)
> 7) Pyar Ki Dastan(1961)
> 8) Qatil(1960)
> 9) Roop Lekha(1962)
> 10) Sabse Bada Rupaiya(1955)
> O.P.Nayyar&Naushad
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
raaz
' dil me.n chhupaa ke pyaar kaa tuufaan . .'
song title is only an error, for the song from
Amar ' insaaf ka mandir hai bhagvaan
kaa ghar hai '
raaz.
seth...@yahoo.com
Not a bad guess . M-E-A had few negative points to consider .
1. The thumri's of Bade Ghulam Ali Khan were not popular with masses .
2. Zindabad zindabad . . . two sided song was another boring
3. The much acclaimed ' pyar kiya to darna kya ' IMHO didnot
fit the mughal durbar of Akbar .
BTW - did CR use any classicalist for Tansen in Anarkali - 1953 I think
.
Regards ,
s
V S Rawat
my guess: Baiju Bawra
--
Rawat
--
Afzal A. Khan
Another guess ---> "Rattan".
Another exercise could be to guess the top five (without
any particular order). My guess would be :
1. Rattan
2. Mughal-e-Azam
3. Mother India
4. Andaz
5. Deedar
This is a guess about the final popular choice --
it doesn't refer to my own preferences.
Afzal
seth...@yahoo.com
Which of them you will omit Afzal Saheb , one is greater then others
Shahjehan , Anmol Ghadi , Dulari , Chandni Raat , Anokhi Ada , Amar ,
Shabab , Uran Katola .Palki - - - all score 10/10 marks .
It is better to choose the worst Album instead the Best .
IMHO Pl.
Regards ,
s
Surjit Singh
Anant Rege wrote:
My guess Baiju Bawra
>
> Anant
Deepak Sabnis
news:4cjqqlF...@individual.net...
I think Mother India, Shabab, Baiju Bawra and Mughal-e-Azam will tie. But it
all depends on age distribution of those who bother to vote.
UVR
I think Baiju Bawra is one album that is definitely going to be
among the top 5. I think M-e-A and BB might well end up being
the top two films.
With Naushad, I feel there is a high probability of the votes
received by the top ranking albums (and perhaps even songs)
falling within a fairly narrow range. For example, I can see
songs of Leader being as popular as, say, Mere Mahboob's. Or
those of Kohinoor vs. Ganga Jumna's. Or Ram aur Shyam vs.
Aadmi.
-UVR.
raaz
Deepak Sabnis wrote:
>
> I think Mother India, Shabab, Baiju Bawra and Mughal-e-Azam will tie. But it
> all depends on age distribution of those who bother to vote.
It will be good that if age factor is taken into
account while presenting the final statistics,
but members should be willing to mention
their age. If willing, one simple way is to
mention their age within brackets with their
name, just like a film's year of release is given.
raaz.
skalr...@yahoo.com
Another method would be to simply ask BCSP - all the age information
should already be in their database. :)
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
UVR
What! This *=BCSP= malady* seems to be contagious!
What difference does the respondents' age make? If you ask me,
it's a totally meaningless statistic. If you really want to ask
for 'age', you should ask what 'age' (i.e., decade) of music each
respondent predominantly listens to/prefers.
I'm going to say, however, that asking for even this kind of 'age'
is quite unnecessary. Just analyze the distribution of albums &
songs in each response, and you ought to be able to determine
"which kind of Naushad" is preferred by each survey participant.
-UVR.
raaz
skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
.
>
> Another method would be to simply ask BCSP - all the age information
> should already be in their database. :)
>
> Happy Listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra
No chance.
Whenever Shri Jayaraman asked their
age, members took it as an offence,
may be the way he has asked.
Personally I never felt any reservations,
and posted my age, when he asked me.
Shri Jayaraman has even posted his
date of birth.
raaz.
raaz
UVR wrote:
> What! This *=BCSP= malady* seems to be contagious!
>
> What difference does the respondents' age make? If you ask me,
> it's a totally meaningless statistic. If you really want to ask
> for 'age', you should ask what 'age' (i.e., decade) of music each
> respondent predominantly listens to/prefers.
>
> I'm going to say, however, that asking for even this kind of 'age'
> is quite unnecessary. Just analyze the distribution of albums &
> songs in each response, and you ought to be able to determine
> "which kind of Naushad" is preferred by each survey participant.
>
> -UVR.
It is only a suggestion, extending
' age distribution ' mentioned by a
member, provided all are willing.
It is a different matter whether to
include age factor in this survey,
but generally in most of other surveys,
age is one of the factors, may be they
mention like, in early' 30's, mid ' 40's,
late ' 50's etc;
raaz.
raaz.
V S Rawat
Jay's age-queries stand vindicated.
--
Rawat
V S Rawat
Would you like to predict what age-groups are likely to go for
which albums.
Just a game.
-----------------
Among the above 4, I think that MeA did not have the melody that
Shabab and Baiju Bawra had. But, Shabab some did not last among
public, whereas Baiju Bawra remains everygreen. Mother India,
though good, is more cow-belt oriented, so southies, westies
might not rate it that high.
Let's see.
Hope such comments don't color the opinions of voters.
--
Rawat
UVR
I don't think it's a question of whether someone is willing
to divulge their age or whether 'generally' such surveys ask
for age. The point is (at least on RMIM) that the age of the
*listener* serves as absolutely no indicator of the person's
musical tastes. So why even bother collecting such (useles)
data?
-UVR.
Deepak Sabnis
news:1147466761.9...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> I don't think it's a question of whether someone is willing
> to divulge their age or whether 'generally' such surveys ask
> for age. The point is (at least on RMIM) that the age of the
> *listener* serves as absolutely no indicator of the person's
> musical tastes. So why even bother collecting such (useles)
> data?
UVR ji,
I am not in favor of asking people their age or any other personal
information. However, with all due respect, I do beg to differ with your
assertion that age has nothing to do with a person's musical tastes. Your
assertion is obviously correct for a section of the population, but there
are many others who do display a preference for music that was popular
during a certain phase of their life. Note, I am not saying that the music
was released during that phase, only that it was popular during a certain
phase of their life influences their liking. Nostalgia plays a significant
part in our likes and preferences. Age does have a major contribution to
nostalgia - I think so any way. YMMV.
Cheers...
Deepak
Animesh K
Arre bhai! Your claims may/will get more concrete when age information
is given. Just count N(Movie name, Age)/N(Age)* n ratio for different
movies and age and see if this ratio is (approx) different from N(movie
name)/n (n = number of movies).
Best,
A
Shalini Razdan
I totally agree. And even if the age of an RMIMer is a predictor of his/her
musical preferences, who cares? I thought rmim was a forum for discussing
Indian *music* not the people who listen to it.
Shalini
> -UVR.
>
UVR
Well, therein lies the rub. I know a good number of RMIMers and
non-RMIMers (I am one such) who mostly listen to music that was
created, released and topped the charts before they were even born!
This is all the more true for me when you talk about people like
Naushad (or OP Nayyar). Most Naushad songs I like were composed
at a time when I did not even exist[1] So, really, the question of
nostalgia from youth (or even childhood) or recalling a fondly bygone
phase of life doesn't even arise. And I'm pretty sure there are many
many individuals like me.
One's age really cannot be a *reliable* indicator/predictor of one's
likes and dislikes. Upbringing and lifestyle? Those are different
things altogether.
-UVR.
[1] I speak, of course, in the purely physical sense. No need to
bring in "aadhyaatmik" stuff here.
raaz
>
> I am not in favor of asking people their age or any other personal
> information. However, with all due respect, I do beg to differ with your
> assertion that age has nothing to do with a person's musical tastes. Your
> assertion is obviously correct for a section of the population, but there
> are many others who do display a preference for music that was popular
> during a certain phase of their life. Note, I am not saying that the music
> was released during that phase, only that it was popular during a certain
> phase of their life influences their liking. Nostalgia plays a significant
> part in our likes and preferences. Age does have a major contribution to
> nostalgia - I think so any way. YMMV.
>
> Cheers...
>
> Deepak
That's the ' Law of Averages ', any more questions
on this, I will get clean bowled, as I am not qualified
in the subject.
raaz.
raaz
As some of us continue to debate about
mentioning age, while responding to the
survey, first of all we have to know your
consent for processing the data, linking
respondent's age group, for the final
statistics.
Furnishing the age need not be made
mandatory, but purely voluntary.
It is just an opinion, for you to give
a thought
raaz.
Abhay Jain
"raaz" <abdul...@indiatimes.com> wrote in message
news:1147510617.0...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Issues about asking for age in the survey:
1. It is usually a sensitive issue for many to reveal
their age speciall female.
2. What is the guarantee that poeple will reveal
their age correctly.
3. If age is optional, what inference can be
drawn from incomplete information if
few will provide this information.
AJ
raaz
Abhay Jain wrote:
>
> Issues about asking for age in the survey:
>
> 1. It is usually a sensitive issue for many to reveal
> their age speciall female.
> 2. What is the guarantee that poeple will reveal
> their age correctly.
> 3. If age is optional, what inference can be
> drawn from incomplete information if
> few will provide this information.
>
> AJ
What you have said is absolutely valid.
It always take time, to change old traditions
and practices, but a begining has to be
made somewhere, to bring about that change.
Once, Mr.Vinay gives his consent, we can
find solutions to overcome hurdles in the way.
The age of respondents will be known only
to Mr.Vinay, and will not come into open.
raaz.
Vinay
Here's my position. I am not going to ask for any personal information
in the survey, be it - age, sex, race, location or anything else not
having to do with the survey. Period. The participant information I do
ask (name and email) is the bare minimum I require to keep the process
workable.
I wish I could respond earlier and avoid speculations.
Vinay
> raaz.
vrk
soundtracks in my possession, these are the only two which I used to
find myself rewinding back to the beginning. As an engaging (and hence,
prob popular score) I found Andaz way ahead of Baiju Bawra as well.
Although I must confess, that in case of Baiju Bawra I often flipped
over to B side on Baiju Bawra due to Basant Bahaar. But all said and
done, Naushad's songs have never given me gooseflesh, unlike, say a
Madan Mohan.
But while on Naushad, its Andaaz for me.
Phir is 'andaaz' se bahaar aayii
huye hain mehr-o-maah tamaashaayii
Regards
Ravi
V S Rawat
I also like Andaz very much, especially for Mukesh's voice
Arranging the list given at the site in the order of years of
release. That will make it clearer to identify the contenders.
- Almost all of the Albums before Rattan and after Sangharsh
hardly stand any chance.
- some 12 albums within the Rattan to Sangharsh period (tabbed
to right) also don't stand much chance.
- thus, it zeroes down to some 25-28 albums out of which 15
albums are to be selected. There is going to be a lot of
repetitions among members' choices.
Possible not worth it
Prem Nagar (1940)
Darshan (1941)
Kanchan (1941)
Mala (1941)
Nai Duniya (1942)
Sharada (1942)
Station Master (1942)
Kanoon (1943)
Namaste (1943)
Sanjog (1943)
Geet (1944)
Jeevan (1944)
Pehle Aap (1944)
Rattan (1944)
Sanyasi (1945)
Anmol Ghadi (1946)
Keemat (1946)
Shahjehan (1946)
Dard (1947)
Elaan (1947)
Anokhi Ada (1948)
Mela (1948)
Natak (1948)
Andaz (1949)
Chandni Raat (1949)
Dillagi (1949)
Dulari (1949)
Babul (1950)
Daastaan (1950)
Deedar (1951)
Jadu (1951)
Aan (1952)
Baiju Baawra (1952)
Diwana (1952)
Amar (1954)
Shabab (1954)
Udan Khatola (1955)
Mother India (1957)
Sohni Mahiwal (1958)
Kohinoor (1960)
Mughal e Azam (1960)
Ganga Jumna (1961)
Son Of India (1962)
Mere Mehboob (1963)
Leader (1964)
Dil Diyaa Dard Liyaa (1966)
Saaz Aur Aawaaz (1966)
Palki (1967)
Ram Aur Shyam (1967)
Aadmi (1968)
Saathi (1968)
Sangharsh (1968)
Ganwaar (1970)
Pakeezah (with Ghulam Md) (1971)
Taangewaalaa (1972)
Aaina (1974)
My Friend (1974)
Sunehra Sansaar (1975)
Chambal Ki Rani (1979)
Dharam Kanta (1982)
Love And God (1986)
Aawaaz De Kahaan Hai (1990)
Teri Payal Mere Geet (1993)
Guddu (1995)
Taj Mahal (2005)
--
Rawat
seth...@yahoo.com
Naushad composed only one song in Kanchan - 1941 .
All the rest were composed by Gyan Dutt .
s
< deleted >
Afzal A. Khan
I think the second misra is as under :
Ke huwe mehr-o-maah tamaashaayee
Afzal
vrk
V S Rawat
what is implied by "mehr" here, where maah=maahtaab=moon?
mehr is normally used in the constructions: meharbani, mehar
banaaye rakhe.
--
Rawat
--
UVR
> Afzal A. Khan wrote:
>
> > vrk wrote:
> > >
> > > Phir is 'andaaz' se bahaar aayii
> > > huye hain mehr-o-maah tamaashaayii
> >
> >
> > Ke huwe mehr-o-maah tamaashaayee
> >
> >
> > Afzal
>
> what is implied by "mehr" here, where maah=maahtaab=moon?
mehr=Sun!
-UVR.
vrk
word. The sun was god once, wouldnt be surprised if language was used
to show gratitude to it.
If I remember correctly most of the couplets in this ghazal were
extolling the spring. Another one that I remember is
hawaa mein sharaab kii hai taaseer
baada noshii hai baad paimaaii
baadaa noshii- drinking wine baad paimaii- redundant
V S Rawat
Oh. Thanks.
I had never heard mehr in that meaning.
while we are at it, what is the meaning of feminine names:
- Mehrunnisa
Is that Mehar of Meharbani or of Sun?
Badrunnisa
I always wondered how can a name have "bad".
--
Rawat
Animesh K
BadrinAtha, BadrikAshrama, bAdarAyaNa
UVR
> UVR wrote:
> > V S Rawat wrote:
> > > Afzal A. Khan wrote:
> > > > vrk wrote:
> > > > > Phir is 'andaaz' se bahaar aayii
> > > > > huye hain mehr-o-maah tamaashaayii
> > > >
> > > > I think the second misra is as under :
> > > > Ke huwe mehr-o-maah tamaashaayee
> > > >
> > > > Afzal
> > >
> > > what is implied by "mehr" here, where maah=maahtaab=moon?
> >
> > mehr=Sun!
> > -UVR.
>
> Oh. Thanks.
> I had never heard mehr in that meaning.
> while we are at it, what is the meaning of feminine names:
>
> - Mehrunnisa
> Is that Mehar of Meharbani or of Sun?
I am not 100% certain, but I think it means "a Sun among
women" [mehr=sun, al=(of) the, nissa = women]. Basically,
the idea is that this woman possesses some specific radiant
quality (pun unintended) that sets her apart from the rest.
> Badrunnisa
> I always wondered how can a name have "bad".
It's not 'bad'. It's badr, which means FULL moon (contrast
this with 'hilaal'). The derivation of the meaning is left
as an exercise for your fecund mind! :)
-UVR.
Afzal A. Khan
Mehrunnisa : Here "Mehr" is used in the sense of the Sun.
Badrunnisa : "Badr" refers to the Full Moon
"...nisa" : It is the collective name for "womenkind"
So the names signify someone who (amongst womenfolk) is as
beautiful as the full moon etc.
The 'a' in "Badr" represents the "zabar". It is not like the
sound of 'a' in the English word "bad".
Afzal
san...@gmail.com
> word. The sun was god once, wouldnt be surprised if language was used
> to show gratitude to it.
>
> If I remember correctly most of the couplets in this ghazal were
> extolling the spring. Another one that I remember is
>
> hawaa mein sharaab kii hai taaseer
> baada noshii hai baad paimaaii
>
> baadaa noshii- drinking wine baad paimaii- redundant
This is, IMO, one of Ghalib's finest ghazals- and really not the kind
of stuff he normally wrote. Am putting down the entire lyrics (cogged
from urdu poetry.com). Worth a read.
By the way, has Naushad ever given music to any of Ghalib's poetry
Sancho
________________________________________________________________________
phir is a.ndaaz se bahaar aa_ii
ke huye mehar-o-maah tamaashaa_ii
[mehar-o-maah=sun and moon]
dekho ai sakinaan-e-khittaa-e-Khaak
is ko kahate hai.n aalam-aaraa_ii
[sakinaan-e-khittaa-e-Khaak=dwellers of this earth; aalaam=world;
aaraa_ii=ornament]
ke zamii.n ho ga_ii hai sar taa sar
ruukash-e-satahe charKhe minaa_ii
[sar taa sar=infinite; ruukash-e-satah-e-charKh-e-minaa_ii=a sky full
of stars]
sabze ko jab kahii.n jagah na milii
ban gayaa ruu-e-aab par kaa_ii
[sabze=greenery; ruu-e-aab=water surface; kaa_ii=moss]
sabz-o-gul ke dekhane ke liye
chashm-e-nargis ko dii hai binaa_ii
[sabz-o-gul=greenery and flower (flora) binaa_ii=sight]
[chashm-e-nargis=Nargis is a flower which is shaped like an eye]
hai havaa me.n sharaab kii taasiir
badaanoshii hai baad paimaa_ii
[taasiir=effect; baadaanoshii=to drink wine baad paimaa_ii=to take a
measure of the wind]
kyuu.N na duniyaa ko ho Khushii "Ghalib"
shaah-e-dii.ndaar ne shifaa pa_ii
[shaah-e-dii.ndaar=pious/religious king; shifaa=regain health after an
illness]
Note: This is a 'qataah' written by Ghalib after Bahadur Shah Zafar's
son (Dara Shikoh I think but I am not sure) recovered from what many
thought would be a fatal illness. The recovery of the prince is equated
to the return of spring, and nature in all its beauty seems to be
celebrating along with the rest of the world. Some say it was the
emperor himself whose recovery prompted this qataah from Ghalib
_______________________________________________________________________
Afzal A. Khan
No. This poem commemorates the recovery of the Emperor
himself (Bahadur Shah Zafar) --- not of his son. BTW,
Dara Shikoh was the son of Shah JahaaN (i.e. almost
200 years earlier in time).
In the interests of correct pronunciation, may I offer
a couple of amendments :
KHitta-e- KHaak
...sat'h-e-charKH-e-
sabza-o-gul ke dekhne.....
Some months back, there was an interesting discussion
(either in RMIM, or in ALUP) about royal illnesses
(of BSZ and JahaaN Ara). Worth a look.
Afzal
V S Rawat
Thanks to all of you.
Such names were always making me wonder as I could never
understand such constructions. Now, I do.
I used to think that shayar Bashir "Badr" might be indicating
his place of origin by his last name. Now, I know what it means.
--
Rawat
Vinay
send your entry as yet, or want to revise your entry, please do so by
Saturday, May 27th.
Thanks,
Vinay
Vinay wrote:
> This SurveykshaN is on Naushad.
>
> As you all know, the composer left us less than a week ago. I started
> working on the survey when he was still alive, which gives me a strange
> feeling as if I have missed some crucial deadline (no pun intended). I
> would have liked to do it while he was alive. This is my humble tribute
> to one of the all-time greats of HFM.
>
> There are no changes in the interface and the format since the last
> SurveykshaN. If it is your first time, just make sure you read the
> brief instructions on the survey page. There's not much to go wrong
> anyway.
>
> To give you a summary, the idea is to come up with a list of most
> popular Desert Island Soundtracks of Naushad. As a participant you have
> to select scores that you would like to take along on a long trip to
> some imaginary desert island. In other words, you are supposed to
> select scores that appeal to you for their repeat value and solitary
> listening pleasure among other things.
>
> The list of all film scores composed by Naushad is provided on the
> survey page to select from. The list is based on information gathered
> from the various sources on and off the Internet.
>
> You can choose up to 15 scores. There's no lower limit. In addition to
> the albums, you can also select up to 15 songs, from films which are
> not in your selected albums list. Just think of it as a one-cassette
> compilation of songs from those albums which you wouldn't want to
> include in your precious complete-album space or couldn't include
> because of a full stack.
>
> The poll page is self-explanatory. Apart from your selections, you need
> to provide your name and email address. Also, please provide your
> overall rating of Naushad's music. When you submit your entry, you will
> see a confirmation page with a list of the movies and songs selected by
> you. Please save the list and you will save me some work if you need
> the list later.
>
> To help remember the songs of a particular movie, you can search
> giitaayan and MusicIndiaOnline sites directly from the page, by
> selecting the movie name and clicking on the respective site's icon.
> But remember that these are mere aids and are not supposed to provide
> complete or even accurate information. Also, for selecting a movie, you
> can now simply double-click on it. You can also remove back a movie
> from the selected list by double-clicking on it.
>
> The survey will be open at least up to Saturday, May 27th, 2006. It may
> then be extended based on responses, requests, and other
> considerations. You can submit your entry more than once using the same
> name and email ID. Only the last submitted entry will be considered
> valid. Please use your popular name/alias and a valid email ID.
>
> The results of the survey will be posted here soon after its
> conclusion.
>
> Here's the survey URL:
>
> http://survey.giitaayan.com/naushad/
>
> Comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vinay
> http://survey.giitaayan.com/
Vinay
Just to remind that the survey will close sometime tomorrow (Saturday).
As long as you see the survey page, you can submit your entries.
http://survey.giitaayan.com/naushad/