Were the tunes of "Veer Zaara" really composed by Madan Mohan?
lt
it hard to believe that the tunes were really composed by Madan Mohan in
entireity. At the very best I think there were just some key notes that
might have been done by Madan Mohan. IMHO, the tunes have been heavily
touched upon and the synthetic feel is pervasive through out. In summary
they were very very unlike Madan Mohan's earlier works.
I personally feel that the Chopra bandwagon did an excellent job marketing
wise and cashed in heavily on the MD's reputation and fame.
cheers
lt
Afzal A. Khan
> lt
What you say in the first para above may well be true,
although we are not likely to get any definitive proof
or details about who all were responsible for the
complete process.
But I am not sure I wholly agree with the next para.
The Chopra bandwagon may have done an excellent job of
marketing but the album's popularity doesn't seem to be
on account of MM's reputation and fame. Even in his
heyday, and despite his excellent music, MM was always
overshadowed by other MDs, like Naushad, Shankar Jaikishan
etc. He never got the Filmfare Award even once. Though
we may not agree that the Award was deserved every time,
it was usually considered as representing pupular choice,
not necessarily of musical excellence. And, today, the
general public in India (and even abroad) hardly remembers
Madan Mohan. Except in RMIM, and sometimes in relatively
obscure writings in the media, one hardly finds any
discussion about his music.
Even in the recent MM survey conducted by Vinay, only 2
out of 32/33 participants picked "Veer Zara" in their
top 15 choices. MM is much more popular and venerated in
RMIM as compared to the general (Indian) listeners. It
is difficult to imagine that the late composer enjoys
a greater degree of popularity/fame/reputation amongst the
masses than amongst RMIMers themselves.
I feel the album's popularity is due more to its intrinsic
excellence, aided no doubt by the Chopras' marketing
strategy. Another important factor is that the songs
"dovetailed" or blended in the scenarios very well and
enhanced the film's appeal. Overall, it was a very well -
crafted movie. The setting and the performances seemed
to complement each other. At the recent Zee Cine Awards,
the film won quite a few Awards, including Music. And
these Awards are supposed to be based only on popular
choice --- and there is no "arbitrariness" normally
associated with jury panels or critics' committees.
Actually, I feel the Chopras took a calculated risk
(music-wise) and it came off.
Afzal
Nazir Patel
>
> At the recent Zee Cine Awards,
the film won quite a few Awards, including Music.
From my understanding Madan Mohan was left out at the Zee Cine
Awards. Hence even now his contribution has not been rewarded.
As for the popularity of Veer Zaara's soundtrack one just needs to
go to www.yashrajfilms.com and under music feedback for Veer Zaara read
all the comments from various people who bought the Veer Zaara CD.
As for just what transpired in the use of Madanji's compositions
one may get some idea by watching the second DVD in the Veer Zaara set.
Satish Kalra
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Not even the second DVD. If you have the audio 2-CD set of the film, the
2nd CD in that set also has Madan Mohan's own voice with all the different
tunes, etc. Some tunes have been incorporated in Veer Zaara as the
interlude music as well. From that point of view, Sanjeev Kohli deserves a
lot of credit, along with Yash Chopra and whoever else helped them on the
music arrangement front. But the most credit should go to the singer(s),
who have been able to convey what Madan Mohan himself would have wanted them
to in their renditions.
I love the 2nd DVD for having the best song of the film in it (...ye ham aa
gaye hain kahaan.....), that got chopped off, due to the film's length or
screenplay situation.
Isn't it ironic that the tune which Madan Mohan refers to as having been
composed 18 years earlier (since he died in 1975, it is from 1957 at least,
if not prior to that, making it a nearly 50-years-old composition), but not
having been used due to not finding a suitable situation for it, still got
left out of the film, though finally being put to use. But having now seen
the song's situation in the film where it would have been placed at, my
personal opinion is that the director acted very wisely to keep the song
out, even though it would have been a very difficult decision.
--
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Amit Malhotra
Afzal A. Khan wrote:
>
> I feel the album's popularity is due more to its intrinsic
> excellence, aided no doubt by the Chopras' marketing
> strategy. Another important factor is that the songs
> "dovetailed" or blended in the scenarios very well and
> enhanced the film's appeal. Overall, it was a very well -
> crafted movie. The setting and the performances seemed
> to complement each other. At the recent Zee Cine Awards,
> the film won quite a few Awards, including Music. And
> these Awards are supposed to be based only on popular
> choice --- and there is no "arbitrariness" normally
> associated with jury panels or critics' committees.
>
> Actually, I feel the Chopras took a calculated risk
> (music-wise) and it came off.
>
>
I feel that you are right in a way that the album didn't get all the
popularity because people know Madam Mohan or because MM is popular
among general Indian public, but rather because the music of the album
was very well done. Although, I do have to say that music of the album
also picked because of a few other reasons that can't be ignored:
1. It was a SRK movie. The sheer popularity of SRK will make the
music of any movie a hit! That factor just can't be ignored as to why
the songs became so popular. Granted the music is great.. and the
singing was really nicely done, especially with the kind of stuff we
get to hear these days.
2. It was a Yash Chopra Film! Now once again, similar to SRK, Yash
Chopra Films also have a great popularity in the general public, they
like anything these guys make, especially because they make always the
same kind of films and secondly they love to stick with their popular
casts (like SRK, Preity, Rani, etc.).
I think these factors, added to the fact that the music was actually
good and the songs were much better than what we get out there (of
course, the sole exception being ARR), lead to the popularity of
Veer-Zaara's music.
Amit
> Afzal
Abhay Jain
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>
>>
>
> I feel that you are right in a way that the album didn't get all the
> popularity because people know Madam Mohan or because MM is popular
> among general Indian public, but rather because the music of the album
> was very well done. Although, I do have to say that music of the album
> also picked because of a few other reasons that can't be ignored:
> 1. It was a SRK movie. The sheer popularity of SRK will make the
> music of any movie a hit! That factor just can't be ignored as to why
>
Is it not possible that it is the good music which makes SRK popular?
AJ
> Amit
>
Afzal A. Khan
Is it not possible that SRK himself has a say in choosing the
MD and okaying the tunes ? !!!
Afzal
Satish Kalra
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I doubt it very much. Gone are the days when songs were composed with the
stars in presence for selection of the MDs, etc. Also, Shah Rukh Khan, with
his attitude as it is, might want to be paid even for going thru the act of
reading his script, let alone sit in for music sessions! And remember,
Yash Chopra is one of the earliest producers/directors who gave him a break
and is also known for his attetnion to the music on his own. Going by the
history of Veer Zaara's productrion, the choice of Madan Mohan's music/tunes
being used for the film was announced right when the film project itself was
begun. A google search on RMIM itself would reveal it. And if listening to
the 2nd audio CD or the 2nd DVD does not convince anyone as to who composed
the music, nothing can.
Why does anyone have to give credit to Shah Rukh Khan anymore or for
anything in the film he stars in than he deserves!
And all the credit he deserves, IMO, is for stuttering or whining in every
film he "over"-acts in.
Hema
Satish Kalra wrote:
>
>
> I doubt it very much. Gone are the days when songs were composed
with the
> stars in presence for selection of the MDs, etc. Also, Shah Rukh
Khan, with
> his attitude as it is, might want to be paid even for going thru the
act of
> reading his script, let alone sit in for music sessions! And
remember,
I happened to meet SRK- for a couple of minutes - and he did not come
across to me as someone with an attitude. He wasn't even trying to act
humble. He just seemed "normal". Saif on the other hand seemed like a
person with an enormous attitude. But again, how do you know a person
in a few minutes? Maybe he was having a bad day.
> Yash Chopra is one of the earliest producers/directors who gave him a
break
> and is also known for his attetnion to the music on his own. Going
by the
I have read stories about Yash Chopra being very particular about every
aspect of his movie. So I tend to agree with you.
Hema.
V S Rawat
Aamir Khan does that. ad nauseum.
Mahesh Bhatt has gone on record to say that he quit
directing Ghulam midstream because he was sick of
interference from Aamir.
Never heard of SRK going to those lengths. He is quite a
reputation for being a professional, however lousy actor he
might be.
>
>
> Afzal
--
Rawat
Abhay Jain
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>
> Satish Kalra wrote:
>>
>>
>> I doubt it very much. Gone are the days when songs were composed
> with the
>> stars in presence for selection of the MDs, etc. Also, Shah Rukh
> Khan, with
>> his attitude as it is, might want to be paid even for going thru the
> act of
>> reading his script, let alone sit in for music sessions! And
> remember,
>
> I happened to meet SRK- for a couple of minutes - and he did not come
> across to me as someone with an attitude. He wasn't even trying to act
One can have good attitude and yet be a lousy actor and
vice versa.
AJ
> Hema.
>
Amit Malhotra
Satish Kalra wrote:
> Why does anyone have to give credit to Shah Rukh Khan anymore or for
> anything in the film he stars in than he deserves!
>
> And all the credit he deserves, IMO, is for stuttering or whining in
every
> film he "over"-acts in.
>
> --
> Happy Listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra
Kalra sahib, you may be right about the fact that no one needs to give
him more credit than he deserves, but going by his popularity, he can
pull a movie through all on his own! Not only the movie, but
everything that has to do with that particular movie. I mean look at
Veer-Zaara! No offense to SRK fans, but the movie was a waste of time
really.
Obviously it's clear that i'm not really his fan or anything, but I do
think.. actually , IMHO the only movie he acted "decent" in his whole
career was 'Swades'. An excellent feature film and he really didn't
over-act in it at all (surprisingly). About his attitude, i do think
he is a very normal guy, or at least that's the feeling i get from
things that i read about him.
Regards,
Amit Malhotra
Animesh Kumar
Some people (amidst my ex-classmates) recently talked about him and said
that he is the best. He never claims he is the best actor and therefore,
his over-acting is justified. He just says that I want to pack something
entertaining for my fans, that's it.
This logic is cyclic and fatal; I never claim I am the best actor, I
want to be a joker for my fans. And then his fans say he is the best
actor. Why not call him the best joker?
Best
A