baabaa terii son chiraiyyaa - Aawaaz
Satish Kalra
missing from the film, only the starting couple of lines. {The VHS of the
film was very kindly furnished to me by Paul Singh (Texas). He has been
conspicuous by his absence from RMIM for nearly six years now - must be real
busy in work, etc.}
Anyways, the film was shown twice recently on Zee TV and/or Zee Cinema, and
it was no different a version. The audio tape I have had of this film from
long ago also has the first two lines only. Then recently, Narsingh (a
relative newcomer to RMIM, but a music lover par excellence and of the
golden age) was kind enough to furnish me the complete song from hi personal
collection.
This afternoon, Zee TV, channel 611 on the Dish Network, showed the film
again. I caught only the ending 15-20 minutes of it, and lo and behold, the
"baabaa terii son chiraiyyaa..." song was there in full in the film. The
print quality of the film also looked better than from the past.
This reinforces my belief in what I have been saying in private
conversations for a long time - that the "so-called" fire in the National
Archives in which it was reported that all the prints of old films and
masterpieces were destroyed was a farce. It must have been that the master
prints were taken out of the warehouse before it being set to fire, that the
DVD/VCD/VHS manufacturers were involved in collusion with the Archives
people and it is after that 'fire' that VCDs/VHS/DVDs of so many heretofore
unavailable films began invading the market.
Other examples in this regard: Anarkali now having the full version of
"jaag dard-e-ishq..."; Amrapali's "tumhein yaad karate karate..." now has
the first antara line
"man hai ki jaa basaa hai..." and the second antara line "virahaa kii is
chitaa se..." repeated, which were not repeated in the film before, nor does
the film's LP have such repetitions - they were only on the 78rpm records.
Any other believes in my weird theory!
--
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Satish Kalra
"Satish Kalra" <Satish...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> In the VHS/VCD of this film that I have seen in the past, the song had
> been missing from the film, only the starting couple of lines.
Please read that as ".....missing from the film, except only the starting
couple of lines."
Rest of the post snipped.
Srinivas Ganti
>
> news:bMOdnWQIXqjwG3HY...@comcast.com...
>
> > In the VHS/VCD of this film that I have seen in the past, the song had
> > been missing from the film, only the starting couple of lines.
>
> Please read that as ".....missing from the film, except only the starting
> couple of lines."
>
> Rest of the post snipped.
>
> --
> Happy Listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra
Will have to go back to my audio tape for my findings.
I do recall that all the 4 Lata songs weren't in the VHS.
Later I found that those songs were cut from the original
movie itself.
Narsingh
> it was no different a version. The audio tape I have had of this film from
> long ago also has the first two lines only. Then recently, Narsingh (a
> relative newcomer to RMIM, but a music lover par excellence and of the
> golden age) was kind enough to furnish me the complete song from hi personal
> collection.
>
> Satish Kalra
Let us give credit where it is due. I had downloaded the full version
of the song from Gautam Chaudhary's wonderful site on Salil
Chaudhary's music (salilda.com). You may have to try a number of times
(often the site is down) but with patience you will eventually be able
to download any of Salil Chaudhary's movie songs. Please visit this
site if you are ever looking for a song by this wonderful music
director.
Narsingh
Narsingh
> conversations for a long time - that the "so-called" fire in the National
> Archives in which it was reported that all the prints of old films and
> masterpieces were destroyed was a farce. It must have been that the master
> prints were taken out of the warehouse before it being set to fire, that the
> DVD/VCD/VHS manufacturers were involved in collusion with the Archives
> people and it is after that 'fire' that VCDs/VHS/DVDs of so many heretofore
> unavailable films began invading the market.
Dozens, if not hundreds, of prints are made when a movie is released.
The National Archives might have one or two prints of each movie. What
happenes to the remaining prints? Are they the property of
distributors or are they returned to the producer? Than, what happens?
Are there hundreds (or even thousands) of prints of old movies lying
around with distributors, producers, etc? Just curious.
Narsingh
Satish Kalra
news:1173204258.1...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
I don't know what the distribution practices are now.
In the 50's and 60's, the prints became the property of the distributors,
and they capitalized on that by re-releasing old(er) films in the re-run
circuit, i.e., 9 am morning shows on Sundays only,. or at 12 noon daily one
show a day. This also provided cinelovers who might have missed out on a
film earlier to see it or to revisit it. I myself saw hundreds of films
like that in such theaters as Ritz, Westend, Regal, Moti, Odeon, Plaza,
Palace, Rivoli, etc., and above all, Robin Talkies in Subzimandi, in Delhi.
Robin talkies was my favorite cinema hall since its prices were exactly half
of all the others, they only showed older films, and I could buy a 10 anna
ticket and watch the film sitting in the ablcony! Above all, it was only an
8-minute bike-pedalling distance from my (Hansraj) college, or later a
15-minutes bike ride from Sri Ram College of Commerce. Reaching there about
half an hour before the noon show used to be a special treat, as they would
play almost all the songs of the movie on the loudspeakers outside. As an
aside, let me also mention that the audience used to be almost always an
exclusive male one.
The distributors used to resell the prints back to the producers later on
for them to extract the silver content in the prints, which used to go to
their credit for issue of raw film stock in those days of quotas and tariffs
and strict foreign exchange regulations. If the prints were not stored
properly (in climate controlled warehouses),
they would wither away with the passage of time, much like the audio tapes
today.
Let me recount one particular isntance here - that of the 'infamous' 1957
film Begunaah, starring Kishore Kumar and Shakila. The film was banned
within 3 or 4 weeks of its release, having been proved in the court that it
was a ditto copy of Danny Kaye's Knock on Wood, and Begunaah's prints were
ordered to be destroyed immediatley. Apparently, some prints did survive,
in the remote corners of the country, because I saw the film myself again in
1959 in Bhilai in one of those tin-shed theaters when the steel city was
coming up. Incidentally, I have been trying to find a VHS of this film for
the last 30 years, but to no success yet. All film lovers in India and
outside are requested to be on the lookout for it.
The importance of the prints with the National Archives is that they almost
invariably have the uncensored prints, submitted to the censor Board at the
pre-certification stage. That is sort of proved by the emergence of these
'uncut' versions of films now being seen in the DVD/VHS/VCD market.
Shalini
> "Narsingh" <ndagn...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:1173204258.1...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 5, 1:06 pm, "Satish Kalra" <Satish.Ka...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I don't know what the distribution practices are now.
>
> In the 50's and 60's, the prints became the property of the distributors,
> and they capitalized on that by re-releasing old(er) films in the re-run
> circuit, i.e., 9 am morning shows on Sundays only,. or at 12 noon daily
> one show a day. This also provided cinelovers who might have missed out
> on a film earlier to see it or to revisit it. I myself saw hundreds of
> films like that
Me too! I was fortunate enough to have enlightened parents who believed in
taking their young kids to the movies.:-) Although I must have been only
4-5 years old, I vividly remember watching Madhumati, Shree 420, Teesri
Manzil, etc. in a theater in Jamshedpur sometime in the mid 70s. As a
matter of fact, my love affair with old HFM began with these old films that
I saw as a child.
.
> Let me recount one particular isntance here - that of the 'infamous' 1957
> film Begunaah, starring Kishore Kumar and Shakila. The film was banned
> within 3 or 4 weeks of its release, having been proved in the court that
> it was a ditto copy of Danny Kaye's Knock on Wood, and Begunaah's prints
> were ordered to be destroyed immediatley. Apparently, some prints did
> survive, in the remote corners of the country, because I saw the film
> myself again in 1959 in Bhilai in one of those tin-shed theaters when the
> steel city was coming up. Incidentally, I have been trying to find a VHS
> of this film for the last 30 years, but to no success yet. All film
> lovers in India and outside are requested to be on the lookout for it.
>
Every once in a while my father asks me if I've found a video of Begunaah.
He seems to have exceedingly fond memories of this movie. He'll be pleased
to know that someone else is searching for it as eagerly as him.:-)
Shalini
Narsingh
>
> Let me recount one particular isntance here - that of the 'infamous' 1957
> film Begunaah, starring Kishore Kumar and Shakila. The film was banned
> within 3 or 4 weeks of its release, having been proved in the court that it
> was a ditto copy of Danny Kaye's Knock on Wood, and Begunaah's prints were
> ordered to be destroyed immediatley. Apparently, some prints did survive,
> in the remote corners of the country, because I saw the film myself again in
> 1959 in Bhilai in one of those tin-shed theaters when the steel city was
> coming up. Incidentally, I have been trying to find a VHS of this film for
> the last 30 years, but to no success yet. All film lovers in India and
> outside are requested to be on the lookout for it.
>
It is amazing that someone sued an Indian producer for infringement of
copyright and won. These days, producers steal stories (may be not the
entire script), music directors steal tunes. And ... get away with
it. Has anyone tried to sue an Indiam music director for copyright
infringement? It won't be difficult to prove that the tune is a copy,
just play the two songs.
Thanks Satish for a very illuminating write-up. In a way it was good
that they retrieved the silver from prints and re-used it. Otherwise,
the movies would have eventually deteriorated (in hot and humid
eather) or burnt (I understand that the material used in old movie
prints was quite flammable),
Narsingh
Abhay Jain
> On Mar 6, 11:03 am, "Satish Kalra" <Satish.Ka...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Let me recount one particular isntance here - that of the 'infamous' 1957
>> film Begunaah, starring Kishore Kumar and Shakila. The film was banned
>> within 3 or 4 weeks of its release, having been proved in the court that
>> it
>> was a ditto copy of Danny Kaye's Knock on Wood, and Begunaah's prints
>> were
>> ordered to be destroyed immediatley. Apparently, some prints did
>> survive,
>> in the remote corners of the country, because I saw the film myself again
>> in
>> 1959 in Bhilai in one of those tin-shed theaters when the steel city was
>> coming up. Incidentally, I have been trying to find a VHS of this film
>> for
>> the last 30 years, but to no success yet. All film lovers in India and
>> outside are requested to be on the lookout for it.
>>
>
> It is amazing that someone sued an Indian producer for infringement of
> copyright and won. These days, producers steal stories (may be not the
> entire script), music directors steal tunes. And ... get away with
> it. Has anyone tried to sue an Indiam music director for copyright
> infringement? It won't be difficult to prove that the tune is a copy,
> just play the two songs.
>
Rumor has it that a law is being formulated in India
to fine producers and music directors who do not steal
a foreign film or music. :)
AJ