An Article on Vijay Anand--Part 2/2 contd...

[Ketan]

continued....

Interestingly, when Dev Anand had sounded him out about RK Narayan’s book, The
Guide, Goldie remembers that he had advised him against making the film. "It
wasn’t a subject I’d choose for an international project. I was horrified when I
went through the screenplay of the English version. It was third rate and would
ruin the image of the country. The first scene had Marco and Rosie disembarking
at the station and encountering Raju. And in the next shot Rosie and the guide
were in bed together. Who would accept such a hero even if he turned into a
saint later in our country? Marco would walk away with all the sympathy that
goes to a cuckolded husband," Goldie points out rationally. But obviously Dev
Anand and Pearl S. Buck thought differently. In fact, Goldie remembers, Dev was
obsessed with the idea of turning RK Narayan’s novel into a Hindi-English
bilingual. And when Goldie wouldn’t fall in with his plans, there was a major
fight after which he was replaced by Raj Khosla as the director of the Hindi
version. Hollywood director Tad Danielewski was in charge of the English
version. With the director decided, Dev Anand got busy choosing the cast.
Danielewski was taken in with Leela Naidu’s Dresden China looks and insisted
that she was his Rosie. Dev spent hours trying to convince him that Leela was no
dancer and didn’t have much of a market in India at the time. Wouldn’t
Vyjayanthimala or Padmini be a better choice? Danielewski didn’t think so. The
Southern beauties were too buxom for his tastes. In desperation Dev suggested
Waheeda Rehman. She had yet to establish herself in dancing roles but Dev was
aware that the CID girl could dance. And her limpid eyes and bewitching smile
got the "yes" from Danielewski. Now, Dev Anand thought, his dream project would
have a dream run. He was wrong. Waheeda was under the impression that Goldie was
directing the film. When she heard that Raj Khosla had replaced him she told Dev
Anand very categorically that she was not working with Khosla. "I’m not asking
you to replace him but I’m not in your film," she informed a shocked Dev.
Apparently, they’d had a spat during the Solva Saal days and she’d promised her
mother she’d never do another film with Raj Khosla. In desperation Dev turned to
his elder brother, Chetan Anand. Chetan sahab agreed to bail him out. However,
earlier Chetan sahab had requested permission to be allowed to shoot his war
epic Haqeeqat in Ladakh. And just before he could get cracking on Guide he got a
letter informing him that permission had been granted but if he wanted to shoot
in Ladakh, he had to reach there in a month’s time and wrap up the schedule
before the location became snow-bound and out of reach. So Chetan Anand was out
of Guide too and Dev once again turned to his younger brother who reluctantly
agreed to helm the Hindi version, provided he was given complete creative
freedom which included the right to rework and rewrite the script. "I didn’t
want to keep anything of the Americans in my film. I was determined to change
the whole look and make a much better film," narrates Goldie. He went off to
Khandala and came back after 18 days with a new script. Goldie’s next stop was
Udaipur. Danielewski had changed the location from Malgudi to Udaipur because he
didn’t think the dark-skinned Southerners in their white dhotis would look too
good in the crowd scenes. The Rajasthanis in their colourful attire, riding
their camels through long stretches of desert sand, would make a more
interesting backdrop. The entire film, except the songs, was shot at Udaipur by
Goldie in one marathon spell of 80 shifts. The songs were picturised later,
made memorable thanks to the inspired genius of choreographer Hiralal, the
determined efforts of his assistants Sheila and Saroj, and the unflinching
dedication of Waheeda Rehman who would wake up at 2 a.m. for a four hour
rehearsal with Hiralal’s girls, drink glasses of milk and and even go through
daily massages so she could carry off the arduous numbers to perfection. Thanks
to the cooperation of his cast and crew, Goldie kept his promise of making a
very different film. A brilliant film. Even Ted Danielewski wasimpressed and
borrowed some of Goldie’s shots for his version. But they couldn’t save the
English Guide from disaster. Not even a nude shot of Waheeda (she’d refused to
do the shot so Danielewski went back to the US and did the shot with an Amercian
girl who was passed off as the Indian star) could endear the film to audiences
abroad. And Dev Anand was in the red. After the debacle of the English version
it was not surprising that Dev found it difficult to sell the Hindi version. No
distributor would touch it with a bargepole and Goldie refused to go around
screening his magnum opus for sceptical trade folk. The debts piled up and with
it, rumours that this expensive gamble spelled doom for Navketan. Finally, Yash
Johar who was an assistant at Navketan those days, screened two songs for a
Delhi distributor without his boss’ knowledge. One glimpse of Piya toh se naina
lage re and the man was hooked. "What’s your price? I’m buying the film," he
told Yash Johar, who came rushing back with the good news.

The film was premiered at Mumbai’s Maratha Mandir. And after the grand premiere
Goldie remembers everyone came to him with funeral expressions and obviously
forced responses, "It was a good film." It was clear they thought that Goldie
was going to ‘kill’ Dev Anand with his film. "Everywhere I went the response was
negative. Yet, the film enjoyed a 10-week houseful run at Maratha Mandir,"
Goldie smiles at the memory. Then a drought hit Gujarat and suddenly there were
banners all over the state, "Guide prays for rain". After that no one was
surprised when the film celebrated a silver jubilee at Ahmedabad. The film
continues to draw crowds and bring in money even today, over three decades after
it was released. After the film was released, Goldie went to Hollywood for a
visit and when In LA’s Sunset Boulevard, bumped into Howard Hawks who had
produced 52 films for MGM and was presently working on Bathing Beauty. Hawks was
fascinated by the Hindi version of Guide. He wanted to sign Goldie for a
Hollywood film and predicted that Guide would win Goldie an Oscar. "But you’ll
have to spend some money to ensure that all the Academy members get to see the
film, and you’ll have to have sub-titles," the Anands were advised. Money was a
problem. Goldie remembers they didn’t have enough to even pay their hotel bills.
So the Oscar slipped out of their hands. Goldie, however, spent some
enlightening weeks in England catching up on the works of the masters like
Fellini and Godard and found that he didn’t really care for these kinds of
films. He returned to India to a tumultuous welcome. Everywhere he went the
Guide followed him around. "I want to forget Guide," he decided. And for that he
knew he had to make a very different film. RK Narayan would come everyday with
story ideas. One day he started discussing the case of a man who was there but
didn’t really exist — and Goldie had the plot for his next film—Jewel Thief.

Getting Dev Anand for Jewel Thief wasn’t a problem. But getting Ashok Kumar, the
only one who Goldie was convinced could carry off the role of the suave villain,
was difficult. Dadamoni had just returned from a heart surgery and when Goldie
trekked to Roop Tara studio with the intention of getting his okay, he
knew he had a task on his hands. Dev Anand introduced him to Dadamoni saying,
"Goldie wants to make a film with you." After that the younger Anand took over,
telling Dadamoni that he was making a two hero project. "I want you to play the
title role. It’s a very challenging role. The only problem is that we learn in
the last reel that your character is the film’s bad man. But you’ve played the
anti-hero before. You can do it. In fact, only you can do it. You’re a
courageous actor, yes, you are," Goldie coaxed the veteran actor. Ashok Kumar
was game. But he laid down three conditions. "I’m not going to hit anyone. And
no one should hit me. If I get into fisticuffs it’ll kill me," he warned Goldie.
Goldie assured him that there would be no fights. His villain was an
intellectual villain. He uses his mind, not his muscles. Dadamoni was relieved
to hear that. His final condition was that he would report on the sets at 11
a.m. sharp with make-up on. Two hours later they’d break for an hour-long lunch
break. And at 5 p.m. it would be "pack-up". That too was agreeable to Goldie. He
assured Dadamoni that his schedule would be followed to the minute. On the first
day Dev Anand and Ashok Kumar were on the sets at 11 a.m. sharp. But there was
no sign of the film’s heroine, Vyjayantimala. An assistant was sent to her every
quarter of an hour. Finally, at 12.30 he returned with the message that madam
didn’t want to be disturbed, she’d come when she was ready. At ten minutes to
one she strolled in asking sweetly, "Am I late?" Goldie surprised her by calling
for a lunch break. Vyjayantimala was furious. "Your assistant has been badgering
me for the last two hours and now when I’m here you announce a break," she
raged. Goldie was unfazed. "Our most senior artiste is not a very healthy
person. We have to follow his schedule. You have to be on the set early," he
reminded her. Vyjayantimala never forgot the "slight". For the rest of the film,
Goldie insists, she nursed a khunnas against him. There were some date problems
and many distractions but Vyjayantimala being the professional that she was,
still came up with a polished performance. Goldie’s only grievance is that she
could have done better with Hoton pe aisi baat. "I wanted her to rehearse the
number before we went for a final take. But she told me airily that she didn’t
need any rehearsals. I insisted she did, but she still didn’t report for
rehearsals and came straight to the set. I called for "pack-up" and told her
firmly that she had to stay back in the studio and practise with the assistants.
She did practise, for 15 minutes. Then she got into her car and drove off saying
that Saroj Khan would be coming to her place later and they’d go over the steps
together. The rehearsal never happened but Vyjayantimala being a good actress
and an excellent dancer didn’t find it too difficult to pick up the steps and
the shots were okayed quickly. But I could never establish the kind of rapport I
had with Mumtaz, Waheeda, Hema and Raakhee, with Vyjayantimala," Goldie rues.

Jewel Thief was followed by Johnny Mera Naam, another superhit. And so slick
that one day the principal of the FTII, Pune, took his students to watch a
commercial Hindi film. And that film was Goldie’s Johnny Mera Naam. "The
undergraduates who were used to seeing Godard’s films were shocked till the
principal explained that this was a perfect mix of art and the commercial,"
Goldie says proudly. Chhupa Rustam, Hum Rahe Na Hum, Bullet, Jaan Haazir Hai,
Ram Balram and Rajput followed. Goldie continued to strive for the perfect
balance between the two genres. But now suddenly it was becoming difficult to
come up with another Tere Mere Sapne, Jewel Thief, Guide or even a Johnny Mera
Naam. He blames it on the long delays thanks to difficult stars. Rajput, he
claims, would have been
his best film if it hadn’t stretched over seven years. During the course of the
film, Hema Malini got married, became pregnant, put on weight, delivered her
baby and got back into shape. This no doubt created continuity problems. Then,
when just a fortnight's work was left, getting Rajesh Khanna and Vinod Khanna
together proved to be difficult. Vinod was shooting near Pune those days and
only at 1.30 pm would he reach Mumbai’s Film City which was serving as a
makeshift Rajasthan because the producer didn’t want to waste money flying his
unit out. Half an hour later, Rajesh would leave for a 2-10 shift. "Sometimes
Vinod’s car would be entering the studio and Rajesh’s leaving," Goldie remembers
with a wry smile. He tried to tackle the problem by moving his set between
Mumbai and Pune, but eventually was forced to rely on editing gimmicks for the
confrontation scenes between the two Khannas. "It was so frustrating," he sighs.

So was Main Tere Liye which Goldie claims would have resurrected Suneil Anand’s
career, had it not got entangled in legal problems. "We were getting good money
for it but we thought we’d hold back for more. Then Anand Aur Anand was
released and after it flopped our project was not viable anymore.
Meanwhile, the capital interest was rising to unbelievable proportions.
Releasing it at that stage was too much of a financial risk so Dev sahab got
busy with his next film. Then just before the premiere of that film, the
producer of Main Tere Liye went to court and asked for an injunction. Dev sahab
couldn’t afford to stall his new release. So he signed away the rights of Main
Tere Liye and the film
was released on the video circuit. Who would watch it in the theatre now? A sad
end to a good film," Goldie sighs.

All these unfortunate experiences resulted in Goldie taking a break from
direction to return to acting. Tehkikaat was a fun holiday, he jokes. It all
started with Shekhar Kapur, his nephew, asking him to cut short a trip to
London to do the role of a scientist in his Time Machine. To date, his
performance in that film has been seen only by Shekhar and his unit, one of
whom was the writer Karan Razdan who later wrote a serial revolving around a
slick private eye with Goldie in mind, and got Shekhar to convince his uncle to
play the role. After two episodes as director of the serial, Shekhar took off
to shoot Bandit Queen and Karan, with a lot of help and encouragement from
Goldie, took over as director. Tehkikaat turned out to be amazingly popular and
Sam D'Silva (Vijay Anand) enjoyed a wonderful 50-episode run on DD before DD
decided it didn’t want to grant long-running serials any more extensions.
Subsequently, Razdan was told that he would have to shift to DD Metro. Goldie
advised Razdan against it and told him that since the serial was making so much
money for DD he should ask them to raise their ceiling. DD refused and Razdan
took his serial to STAR. But before the new Tehkikaat could go on air Razdan
sold the rights of the old episodes to Zee who began promoting it as the
"real" Tehkikaat and airing it a
day earlier. "That quickly cut short Tehkikaat’s run on STAR and it wound up on
Zee soon after. But I’d
had my share of the fun," Goldie chuckles.

And now after this brief stint in the spotlight Goldie’s back behind the camera,
directing his brother. Anand aur Anand... it promises to be an enthralling
drama. We’ve waited 25 years for the Guide team to come together again. And now
they finally have.
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Ketan

A Burman fan(atic)

[Sharmila Mukherjee]

Thanks Ketan, for the lovely article. It gave a new insight in the
making of Guide. It was also interesting to know about the making of
Jewel Thief. Incidentally, who are leads in Tere Mere Sapne? Except for
that brilliant title song, I know nothing about it. Is it a must see?

Sharmila

[Ketan]

YES! (Read as yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
etc....)

My question is which title song are you talking about? The song "Tere Mere
Sapne" by Rafi is from Guide while the movie to my recollection has no
title song.(Before forming labor unions to throw me out of the management
of the SDB fan-club, I must mention that it's been a long time since I saw
the movie).

The movie Tere Mere Sapne has Dev Anand, Mumtaz, Hema Malini, Vijay Anand
& Agha.

4 of the 7 songs are :

Jeevan ki bagiya mehkegi
He maine kasam li
Ta thai ta ta thai
Jaise Radha ne mala japi shaam ki.

By now, you must have guessed that songs like this can only come from a
Burman. While the MD is SDB, the last song was mentioned in an FF article
as composed (not just recorded) by RDB. The article was by Varsha Bhosle,
Asha's daughter. The other 3 songs, are the only times in the movie that
you will actively seek the fast forward button on your VCR remote. Once
again, a great movie, and a must see (Gosh I sound like an NBC commercial
for Thursday night).

Some more info :

Guide :

According to Waheeda, there was a feeling that her role would be chopped
since the movie was turning out to be very long. She in turn made Dev
promise her that he could chop as much of her role as he wanted but he
would not cut a single dance from the movie. Thankfully, Dev retained all
her dances.

Jewel Thief :

According to Vyjayantimala :

The full song and dance sequence of "Hothon main aisi baat" was shot in 1
( yes, ONE) take, using cameras placed at 7 angles. She credited Vijay
Anand for the camera placements, SDB for a tight and perfectly set music
score and the choreographers/dancers. In the light of this Vijay Anand
interview on Vyju's refusal to show up for rehearsals, I find it hard to
believe the ONE TAKE theory. If it's true, then she is even better than I
thought.

Johny Mera Naam :

Mani Kaul was I believe the person who took the students of FTII to see
Johny Mera Naam. Dev Anand was the person who suggested that K-A be picked
for the music. (He had previously worked for KA in Mahal a year earlier in
1969). The name of the movie was picked after RK had publicized Mera Naam
Joker, and hence RK was furious with Gulshan Rai for stealing the
publicity from his movie, esp because JMN was a hit and MNJ was a flop.
RK blamed Guslhan Rai for confusing the public with a similar sounding
name and said that this was the reason that the public did not go to see
his movie. There are I believe 24 windows in the house where the song "Pal
bhar ke liye koi hame pyaar kar le". No, I did not count them. Someone I
know did. (Maybe Bill Gates saw this movie, and hence muttered-- I want to
see Windows everywhere).

Ketan

A Burman fan(atic)
y

>
> Sharmila
>
>

[Ravi_Krishna]

In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980224152159.23224A-100000@shell>, Ketan says...

>Jeevan ki bagiya mehkegi
>He maine kasam li
>Ta thai ta ta thai
>Jaise Radha ne mala japi shaam ki.
>
>By now, you must have guessed that songs like this can only come from a
>Burman. While the MD is SDB, the last song was mentioned in an FF article
>as composed (not just recorded) by RDB. The article was by Varsha Bhosle,
>Asha's daughter. The other 3 songs, are the only times in the movie that
>you will actively seek the fast forward button on your VCR remote. Once
>again, a great movie, and a must see (Gosh I sound like an NBC commercial
>for Thursday night).

First there is no doubt that the song "jaise radha ne " is the best song
in the film TMS.

Now comes to the question who composed. I have __SERIOUS__ doubts about RDB
composing it despite the claims by his step daughter (relation intentionally
specified). I was in India when RDB passed away and in a series of tribute
programs on him I noticed a blatant and pathetic attempt by Asha Bhonsle to
give more credit to RDB then he deserved. From no where she will come up with
some behing-the-scene news that so-and-so song from so-and-so film was actually
composed by RDB even though it was credited to SDB.

Coming back to "jaise radha nein" , the song had all the stamp of a SDB song.
It just didn't have any RDB stamp. Surely if RDB was the creator of that song
we would have seen some glimpses of it in some other song of his. To date I have
not heard __ONE__ RDB song similar to "jaise radha nein".

I seriously think that any such claims by Asha Bhonsle or her daughter or
anyone from her family should not be taken seriously.

Ravi Krishna

PS: this is not an effort to start flames. You can understand my concern as
I am a great SDB fan.

[Ketan]

In article <6cve1k$s...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ravi_Krishna says...

>First there is no doubt that the song "jaise radha ne " is the best song
>in the film TMS.
>
>Now comes to the question who composed. I have __SERIOUS__ doubts about RDB
>composing it despite the claims by his step daughter (relation intentionally
>specified). I was in India when RDB passed away and in a series of tribute
>programs on him I noticed a blatant and pathetic attempt by Asha Bhonsle to
>give more credit to RDB then he deserved. From no where she will come up with
>some behing-the-scene news that so-and-so song from so-and-so film was actually
>composed by RDB even though it was credited to SDB.

Thanks for the (expected) knee jerk reaction. If a wife will not praise her
husband who will? You? How do you know her statements and sources are not
accurate (or accurate)? RDB fans will believe her, and RDB haters won't. She was
definitely more in the position to know these things, than you or me.

>Coming back to "jaise radha nein" , the song had all the stamp of a SDB song.
>It just didn't have any RDB stamp. Surely if RDB was the creator of that song
>we would have seen some glimpses of it in some other song of his. To date I have
>not heard __ONE__ RDB song similar to "jaise radha nein".

No? Then how about listening to the Amar Prem song "Bada natkhat hai yeh kishan
kanhaiya". If that song is composed by RDB then even the Tere Mere Sapne song
can be composed by him. The question is --- Has the Amar Prem song been
composed by him? Or since everyone (courtesy Raju Bharatan) believes that
Aradhana was composed by RDB how about "Kora kagaz tha yeh man mera".

>I seriously think that any such claims by Asha Bhonsle or her daughter or
>anyone from her family should not be taken seriously.

Not believe Asha--RDB's wife? And believe you? Actually in this instance I too
think the way you do about this song, but I do realize that Asha has more facts
at her disposal than I do so who knows, she just might be right.

>Ravi Krishna
>
>PS: this is not an effort to start flames. You can understand my concern as
>I am a great SDB fan.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thanks for your modesty. That's ok. We know what you mean. :)

Ketan

A Burman fan(atic)

PS: If this appears in triplicate, I apologize. Zippo's wierd, or is it me? :)

[Ravi_Krishna]

In article <6cvh8q$9...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ketan says...

> RDB fans will believe her, and RDB haters won't. She was

Have you ever seen Lata Mangeshkar doing the same. Both songs "jaise
radha nein mala japi .." and "kora kagaz tha ye dil mera" were sung by Lata
and IMO she is in a far better postition to know who the actual composer was.
It is however Asha who is bullshitting. Perhaps she couldn't digest the 5 rupees
which came out of RDB's bank locker as his life savings. Looks like RDB really
took his nick name Pancham bit too seriously. :-)

I have a very high regard for Asha as a singer but on this I really doubt her.
That of course is my view.

Ravi Krishna

[shri...@hotmail.com]

In article <6cve1k$s...@drn.newsguy.com>,

Ravi_Krishna wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980224152159.23224A-100000@shell>, Ketan says...
>
> >Jeevan ki bagiya mehkegi
> >He maine kasam li
> >Ta thai ta ta thai
> >Jaise Radha ne mala japi shaam ki.
> >
> >By now, you must have guessed that songs like this can only come from a
> >Burman. While the MD is SDB, the last song was mentioned in an FF article
> >as composed (not just recorded) by RDB. The article was by Varsha Bhosle,
> >Asha's daughter. The other 3 songs, are the only times in the movie that
> >you will actively seek the fast forward button on your VCR remote. Once
> >again, a great movie, and a must see (Gosh I sound like an NBC commercial
> >for Thursday night).
>

> First there is no doubt that the song "jaise radha ne " is the best song
> in the film TMS.
>
> Now comes to the question who composed. I have __SERIOUS__ doubts about RDB
> composing it despite the claims by his step daughter (relation intentionally
> specified). I was in India when RDB passed away and in a series of tribute
> programs on him I noticed a blatant and pathetic attempt by Asha Bhonsle to
> give more credit to RDB then he deserved. From no where she will come up with
> some behing-the-scene news that so-and-so song from so-and-so film was actually
> composed by RDB even though it was credited to SDB.
>

> Coming back to "jaise radha nein" , the song had all the stamp of a SDB song.
> It just didn't have any RDB stamp. Surely if RDB was the creator of that song
> we would have seen some glimpses of it in some other song of his. To date I have
> not heard __ONE__ RDB song similar to "jaise radha nein".
>

> I seriously think that any such claims by Asha Bhonsle or her daughter or
> anyone from her family should not be taken seriously.
>

> Ravi Krishna
>
> PS: this is not an effort to start flames. You can understand my concern as
> I am a great SDB fan.
>

The above poster is a known RDB hater rather than a music lover or hater, or
so it seems from all his posts. He is trying as much as possible to kill the
credibility of RDB. Wonder what is his problem !

Now what do we have next ? "1942..." songs were copied from Mozart symphonies
???? Sigh !

Shridhar[ a question for the self-proclaimed know-it-all---where was the song
"chura liya hai....." copied from ???]

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[s_jag...@yahoo.com]

> Shridhar[ a question for the self-proclaimed know-it-all---where was the
> song "chura liya hai....." copied from ???]

while I generally don't go along with Ravi Krishna on the RDB issue, I think
we are all making a basic mistake - just coz RDB copied a few songs, doesn't
make him worse ... and just bcoz he's copied a few doesnt mean every goddam
song composed by him has to have another source !

for the anu malik, anand milind, nadeem shravan likers out there, the above
lines dont in anyway imply that ur idols are great - every1 has copied, some
from their own creations (SDB - Hindi and Bengali, Rahman - from 1 movie to
the other ! and the like) ... ultimately its the music which matters. My
top RDB albums of all time were Amar Prem, Teesri Manzil, Aandhi, Padosan,
Parichay, Saagar and 1942 ALS. Try making a top 6/7 alltime for Anu Malik
or NS or An Mil the quality difference is apparent :)

jagadish

[Sharmila Mukherjee]

Ketan wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Sharmila Mukherjee wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ketan, for the lovely article. It gave a new insight in the
> > making of Guide. It was also interesting to know about the making of
> > Jewel Thief. Incidentally, who are leads in Tere Mere Sapne? Except for
> > that brilliant title song, I know nothing about it. Is it a must see?
>
> YES! (Read as yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
> etc....)
>
> My question is which title song are you talking about? The song "Tere Mere
> Sapne" by Rafi is from Guide while the movie to my recollection has no
> title song.(Before forming labor unions to throw me out of the management
> of the SDB fan-club, I must mention that it's been a long time since I saw
> the movie).

By title song, I did mean `HNa, maine kasam lee'. It has the phrase
`tere mere sapne' in one of its antara's. I am sorry, I guess title song
is a misnomer.

Thanks.

Sharmila

[Ravi_Krishna]

In article <6d0s28$po9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, s_jag...@yahoo.com says...

>while I generally don't go along with Ravi Krishna on the RDB issue, I think
>we are all making a basic mistake - just coz RDB copied a few songs, doesn't
>make him worse ... and just bcoz he's copied a few doesnt mean every goddam
>song composed by him has to have another source !
>
>for the anu malik, anand milind, nadeem shravan likers out there, the above
>lines dont in anyway imply that ur idols are great - every1 has copied, some
>from their own creations (SDB - Hindi and Bengali, Rahman - from 1 movie to
>the other ! and the like) ... ultimately its the music which matters. My
>top RDB albums of all time were Amar Prem, Teesri Manzil, Aandhi, Padosan,
>Parichay, Saagar and 1942 ALS. Try making a top 6/7 alltime for Anu Malik
>or NS or An Mil the quality difference is apparent :)
>
>jagadish

Point accepted Jagadish. Even ignoring his copying disease , RDB was by far
the best composer in hindi films after 70s. In fact Hindi film industry is yet
to get a composer of his class.
I have mentioned this many times before that my bashing of RDB is restricted
to only his copying disease. The fact that RDB did it too , is something I
can't tolerate. Anand Millind , Anu Mallik , Nadeem Shravan OK , but RDB too ?

Ravi Krishna

[Ravi_Krishna]

In article <6d00oq$vh$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...

>The above poster is a known RDB hater rather than a music lover or hater, or
>so it seems from all his posts. He is trying as much as possible to kill the
>credibility of RDB. Wonder what is his problem !

Another feather in the cap of great Shridhar. Not being satisfied from his
unabashed sycophancy of Jadeja in rsc and Shaharukh in ramli , he has now
started putting words in others mouth. Please read my old postings about
RDB and also film music in general before you start craping. Anyhow it is
futile to advise you. You are a gone case.

Ravi Krishna

[shri...@hotmail.com]

In article <6d1keg$1...@drn.newsguy.com>,

Ravi_Krishna wrote:
>
> In article <6d00oq$vh$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >The above poster is a known RDB hater rather than a music lover or hater, or
> >so it seems from all his posts. He is trying as much as possible to kill the
> >credibility of RDB. Wonder what is his problem !
>
> Another feather in the cap of great Shridhar. Not being satisfied from his
> unabashed sycophancy of Jadeja in rsc and Shaharukh in ramli , he has

Yeah..my opinion about Jadeja and Shahrukh is good, if you get the burns out
of it, i can't help it. Atleast, i don't make a serious effort to discredit a
famous and in this case the best composer like this ? Such an irony that you
started the thread with this title considering your deeds in RMIM since ages
! Thats the reason i had to post one of the very few times i've done in RMIM.

> Anyhow it is
> futile to advise you. You are a gone case.

Pot calling the Kettle black. People in rsc and ramli know who is a gone case.
Some posters have also done a wonderful job of ignoring you totally in these
groups !!

Bye
Shridhar

> Ravi Krishna

[kal...@nms.fnc.fujitsu.com]

In article <6cvh8q$9...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Ketan wrote:
>
> In article <6cve1k$s...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ravi_Krishna says...

>
> >Now comes to the question who composed. I have __SERIOUS__ doubts about
RDB
> >composing it despite the claims by his step daughter (relation
intentionally
> >specified). I was in India when RDB passed away and in a series of tribute
> >programs on him I noticed a blatant and pathetic attempt by Asha Bhonsle to
> >give more credit to RDB then he deserved. From no where she will come up
with
> >some behing-the-scene news that so-and-so song from so-and-so film was
actually
> >composed by RDB even though it was credited to SDB.
>

> Thanks for the (expected) knee jerk reaction. If a wife will not praise her
> husband who will? You? How do you know her statements and sources are not

> accurate (or accurate)? RDB fans will believe her, and RDB haters won't. She
was

> definitely more in the position to know these things, than you or me.

And she was more in a position to be biased in matters concerning RDB.
As you say, "if the wife will not praise her husband, who will"? Besides
in those days she was very much on the defensive. In the months after
RDB's death there were a lot of negative reports in the press regarding
Asha particularly by a close confidante of RDB (and probably his secretary).
Both he and Asha publicly traded accusations in the press and Asha's image
was affected to some extent. AFAIR here are some of the happenings in
those days.
a. RDB made his secretary(will refer to him as the secretary from now on
though I am not so sure what his position was) and not Asha the trustee for
his assets and enstrusted him to take care his ailing mother. According to
the secretary RDB didn't have confidence that Asha would take care of his
ailing mother as she didn't in his lifetime.

b. RDB and Asha were living separately when RDB died. According to the
secretary she didn't do anything for him in his last days and he tried
to potray her as a career-oriented woman who dumped RDB when he was in his
bad days.

These are not my claims or opinions but those that appeared in the
media mostly attributed to the secretary. Asha tried to counter all
of the above and more in the interview referred to by Ketan and Ravi.
IMO she was clearly on the defensive. She tried to show how much
she loved RDB, their separation notwithstanding, and his mother. That
she had no interest in his money, that some of the people around him
had poisioned his mind against her etc. In the same vein she went on
listing what all SDB compositions were actually by RDB. IMO this issue
was brought in needlessly by Asha as if to show how much she loved
RDB. Given the circumstances surrounding the interview I don't think those
claims can be considered credible without any other support. Or if she
had said something similar before the controversy. Also Asha's "Me and my
Rahul" pitch increased as RDB's popularity kept increasing after his death.
Nowadays you can't see an Asha show without repeated references to RDB
and how much she loved him.

Interestingly in a 4 cassette pack titled "My favourites" by Asha, released
in the mid 80's, there are only 4 RDB songs compared to 7 by OPN, 4 by CR,
4 by Jaidev, 3 by MM etc out of a total of approximately 60 songs. I
wonder what it might be now.

> >we would have seen some glimpses of it in some other song of his. To date I
have
> >not heard __ONE__ RDB song similar to "jaise radha nein".
>

> No? Then how about listening to the Amar Prem song "Bada natkhat hai yeh
kishan
> kanhaiya". If that song is composed by RDB then even the Tere Mere Sapne

The places where I've seen Aradhana credited to RDB, I have also seen
Amar Prem credited to SDB. That might answer your question :)

> >I seriously think that any such claims by Asha Bhonsle or her daughter or
> >anyone from her family should not be taken seriously.
>

From what I've read of Varsha Bhosle on Asha and music demonstrate her
near total ignorance and lack of appreciation of musical issues or of her
mother's songs (For that matter many might feel the same about her
pro-Thackeray political columns). IMO her columns hardly lend any weight
to the assertion.

Regards,
Kalyan

[Ravi_Krishna]

> shri...@hotmail.com says...

>Yeah..my opinion about Jadeja and Shahrukh is good, if you get the burns out
>of it, i can't help it.

If you like Shahruk no problem , but what is the need to sing hosannas some
50 times.

> Atleast, i don't make a serious effort to discredit a
>famous and in this case the best composer like this ?

So you too consider RDB as best. BTW I have bashed RDB's copying disease only.

>Pot calling the Kettle black. People in rsc and ramli know who is a gone case.
>Some posters have also done a wonderful job of ignoring you totally in these
>groups !!

HA HA HA. Most of my posts generate lot of heat. Use deja news and check the
repsonse to my mails, Mr musi...@hotmail.com.

What next , Bharat Ratna for Ajay Jadeja. :-)

Ravi Krishna

[shri...@hotmail.com]

In article <6d2bgg$c...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Ravi_Krishna wrote:

>
> If you like Shahruk no problem , but what is the need to sing hosannas some
> 50 times.

All my posts on Shahrukh are different from each other, some expressing my
opinion on various accomplishments of SRK and some giving info about Shahrukh
and i am very much entitled to do this within the rules of RAMLI.

> So you too consider RDB as best. BTW I have bashed RDB's copying disease only.

Whatever...i have seen that you bash RDB right when somebody is singing his
praise..i don't know what sadistic enjoyment you get out of this. Take it
from me, you can't change people's opinions about RDB by talking trash about
him. And yes, you are right, among the oldies, i have good respect for RDB
and most of my oldie Cassette/CD collections are songs composed by RDB.

>
> HA HA HA. Most of my posts generate lot of heat.

So your main purpose in writing is to generate a lot of heat...hmmmmm, the
truth does come out unknowingly sometimes.

> Use deja news and check the
> repsonse to my mails, Mr musi...@hotmail.com.

This is a bad allegation....you can't blame anyone on using a particular ID
just out of nowhere.

> What next , Bharat Ratna for Ajay Jadeja. :-)

This is really bad.....whats your point here, i don't understand....if you
are saying that the i am the "Anonymous" Poster then you must feel ashamed of
yourself, do you know that the only 2 guys using "Newsguy news services" are
yourself and the Anonymous. Does that mean i should label you as that poster
who is creating havoc on RAMLI btw ??!!

Anyway, i think we should kill this personbal debate here and take it to our
email accounts.

Bye
Shridhar

>
> Ravi Krishna

[Ravi_Krishna]

In article <6d4el6$roc$1...@nnrp2.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...

>All my posts on Shahrukh are different from each other, some expressing my
>opinion on various accomplishments of SRK and some giving info about Shahrukh
>and i am very much entitled to do this within the rules of RAMLI.

Point accepted. But you post the same message many times. Why ?

>Whatever...i have seen that you bash RDB right when somebody is singing his
>praise..i don't know what sadistic enjoyment you get out of this.

What's wrong in exposing a chor. Yes you are right I do it only when someone
praises chor RDB, because I believe that there is a correct time for every post.
The effect will be lost if it is ill timed.

BTW talking about sadism, you told the same to a group of posters in RSC when
they bashed Jadeja. Better consult a dictionary to find the meaning of sadist.

> Take it
>from me, you can't change people's opinions about RDB by talking trash about
>him.

First I am not talking trash but truth. RDB did copy a lot. Period.
As for changing the opinion I have some success in that, take it from me. Anyhow
as they say in Geeta "karm kiya ja , phal ki ichha mat kar". My duty is to
expose chor RDB , I hardly care for its effect.

> And yes, you are right, among the oldies, i have good respect for RDB
>and most of my oldie Cassette/CD collections are songs composed by RDB.

RDB was good. No doubt about it.

>So your main purpose in writing is to generate a lot of heat...hmmmmm, the
>truth does come out unknowingly sometimes.

I always admitted that I don't like simple post. I like sensationalism. You
urself agreed that normal posts do not grab any attention.

>This is a bad allegation....you can't blame anyone on using a particular ID
>just out of nowhere.

Oh I see. I am sorry.

Ravi Krishna.

[shri...@hotmail.com]

In article <6d4la4$d...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Ravi_Krishna wrote:

>
> Point accepted. But you post the same message many times. Why ?

Are you so short-sighted? I was having problems with "deja news" posting
that day. Which other time have i posted the same message again and
again ? Even the "Amitabh" post got posted 2 times.

>
> BTW talking about sadism, you told the same to a group of posters in RSC when
> they bashed Jadeja. Better consult a dictionary to find the meaning of sadist.

I have never supported Jadeja for Tests. If you see my Test XI it dosen't
include Jadeja, only when people ask for his exclusion from a one-day side, i
get angry.

>
> First I am not talking trash but truth. RDB did copy a lot. Period.

Which MD exists who has not been inspired by western Music ? In one of the
collections of RDB that i've got, there is a tribute to him by Lata which
says that " Unka sangeet Hindustani aur Paschimi sangeet ka adhbut sangam
tha". What's the point in reminding people of stuff they already know ? That
dosen't mar the fact that RDB was the best composer of the Hindi film
industry.And giving titles like "chor" to a great composer like RDB is so
demeaning and shameful. What will be it like if somebody does the same to
your Guru Illayaraja ? But people have more dignity and restraint than you or
so it seems.

> I always admitted that I don't like simple post. I like sensationalism. You
> urself agreed that normal posts do not grab any attention.

Then why get angry if someone sensationalises someone like Shahrukh whom you
may not like the most ?

Bye
Shridhar

[s_jag...@yahoo.com]

> dosen't mar the fact that RDB was the best composer of the Hindi film

*ahem* - i suppose you have to apologise to the foll. fan clubs:

anu malik
madan mohan
anand milind
hemant kumar
nadeem shravan
sd burman
ar rahman
salil chaudhry
ilayaraja
laxmikant pyarelal
dileep sen sameer sen
kalyanji anandji
c ramachandra

*phew* fill in the other names urself ppl ! :)

> demeaning and shameful. What will be it like if somebody does the same to
> your Guru Illayaraja ? But people have more dignity and restraint than you
> or so it seems.

u r welcome, if u can prove beyond doubt that ilayaraja has copied, then
pls do so ... u will also get a defense

jagadish

[Ravi_Krishna]

In article <6d70p8$u0p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...

>Are you so short-sighted? I was having problems with "deja news" posting
>that day. Which other time have i posted the same message again and
>again ? Even the "Amitabh" post got posted 2 times.

How come only you are having problems with deja news. You are not the only
poster to use deja news.

>I have never supported Jadeja for Tests. If you see my Test XI it dosen't
>include Jadeja, only when people ask for his exclusion from a one-day side, i
>get angry.

But you called Arvind a sadist. Do u know the meaning of sadist ?

>Which MD exists who has not been inspired by western Music ? In one of the

There is a world of difference between getting inspired and copy. FYI many
of the RDB songs comes straight in the catagory of copy, not inspired.

>collections of RDB that i've got, there is a tribute to him by Lata which
>says that " Unka sangeet Hindustani aur Paschimi sangeet ka adhbut sangam
>tha". What's the point in reminding people of stuff they already know ? That

Once megachor Bappil Lahiri told this : "copying from western music has been
going on for quite some time. It is Panchamda's luck that during his time
the public were not aware of English pop music as much as now a days. Hence his
chori was not noticed ". Do you agree with him. I certainly do.
I pick on RDB bcos he is the holy cow of RMIM. Do you think if I bash BLahiri
it will generate same kind of heat. Common sense. Yes , I admit that it gives
me some pleasure to 'educate' RMIMers about the 'originality' of RDB. Contrary
to what you think many RMIMers are not aware of RDB's chori.
At least you can't accuse me of not quoting facts.

>dosen't mar the fact that RDB was the best composer of the Hindi film

Best composer of his time. Not all time.

>industry.And giving titles like "chor" to a great composer like RDB is so
>demeaning and shameful.

Copying some one's else tune can be a work of a chor only. Be it Anu mallik
or Bappi Lahiri or RDB or even Ilayaraja (if that makes you happy).

> What will be it like if somebody does the same to your Guru Illayaraja ?

Again non sense. When did I say that Raja did not copy. I clearly distinguish
between copying once in a while and copying routinely.
Also if you have read my posts in RMIM my guru's are all 50s/60s composer like
Madan Mohan, SDB , Naushad , Salil Da. I also like Ilayaraja.

>But people have more dignity and restraint than you or so it seems.

Yup , sadist is a very dignified term. I also saw very dignified posts about
me from music888, baber , Qamanian Dev etc. If I attack RDB or KK why should
they attack me.

>Then why get angry if someone sensationalises someone like Shahrukh whom you
>may not like the most ?

I care a rats ass for Shahrukh khan. The only time I ever responded to your
SRK crap was when you dragged KamalHassan. From my side you are free to post
as much as you like.
BTW I like SRK in some roles as in Yes Boss recently. In the past I felt he
was very good in Baazigar , Raju Ban gaya etc.

Ravi Krishna

[Ketan]

> In article <6d7627$2...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ravi_Krishna says...

>
>In article <6d70p8$u0p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...

< All the garbage deleted >

Sorry didn't mean to interrupt you two "mature adult grown-ups". Just thought I
would atleast change the heading, since it was my poor unfortunate God who was
somehow being dragged into it, I am sure, much against his wishes.

You may continue with your fish market like behaviour. No I don't mean the
noise, it's the stink I am referring to.

Ketan

A Burman fan(atic)

PS: Don't even think of calling me a self-proclaimed moderator.

[Ravi_Krishna]

In article <6d7ejj$q...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ketan says...

>Sorry didn't mean to interrupt you two "mature adult grown-ups".

To argue with a kid you have to stoop down to the maturity of a kid (shridhar).

Ravi Krishna

[shri...@hotmail.com]

In article <6d7jqc$9...@drn.newsguy.com>,

Yeah...and its really boring to discuss anything with a Budda like Ravi
Krishna...(anything will get you a reference from the 60s or 70s from him...)

Bye
Shridhar

>
> Ravi Krishna

[shri...@hotmail.com]

In article <6d7ejj$q...@drn.newsguy.com>,

Ketan wrote:
>
>
> > In article <6d7627$2...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ravi_Krishna says...
> >
> >In article <6d70p8$u0p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...
>
> < All the garbage deleted >

> it was my poor unfortunate God who was
> somehow being dragged into it, I am sure, much against his wishes.

He is not your personal God, is he, Mr. self-righteous ? Still, if you have
any problems, i will remind you of a proverb sounding like ----

"Ignorance is Bliss".

I hope your pure mind can make out what i am trying to say here !

>
> You may continue with your fish market like behaviour. No I don't mean the
> noise, it's the stink I am referring to.

Well...i don't eat fish.

Bye
Shridhar

>
> Ketan
>
> A Burman fan(atic)
>
> PS: Don't even think of calling me a self-proclaimed moderator.

No, i won't since i don't care much about you anyway.....

[shri...@hotmail.com]

In article <6d7627$2...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Ravi_Krishna wrote:

>
> How come only you are having problems with deja news. You are not the only
> poster to use deja news.

Hey Mr. Aamir Khan, i don't want to waste any more time on this. Get it ???

>
> But you called Arvind a sadist. Do u know the meaning of sadist ?

Again, don't speak for others. Yes i do, but i think you should get a
dictionary. BTW, whats even wrong in Jadeja for Tests ?? (as if the present
openers in Tests or the ones Arvind was suggesting are Sunil Gavaskars ).

> At least you can't accuse me of not quoting facts.

If people don't care a rats ass to whatever fact you quote, i don't knopw why
you are being so dumb to do it again and again ???

> Best composer of his time. Not all time.

I don't think any MD has done enough to stake a claim for RDB's place in the
Hindi Film industry after him.

> Again non sense. When did I say that Raja did not copy. I clearly distinguish
> between copying once in a while and copying routinely.

A thief is a thief whether he thieves once or forever.

> Also if you have read my posts in RMIM my guru's are all 50s/60s composer like
> Madan Mohan, SDB , Naushad , Salil Da. I also like Ilayaraja.

Don't tell me that you don't know that Illayaraja copied a lot from Western
Films. I don't know the name of this but recently i heard a song in which
Illayaraja has copied from some old Hindi song. It is one of the latests
songs of '97. Also, MS Vishwanathan whom you seem to admire used to copy a
lot from old classic Hindi songs.

>
> Yup , sadist is a very dignified term. I also saw very dignified posts about
> me from music888, baber , Qamanian Dev etc. If I attack RDB or KK why should
> they attack me.

Because you spoil a thread's flow by bringing in irrelevantstuff.

> I care a rats ass for Shahrukh khan. The only time I ever responded to your
> SRK crap was when you dragged KamalHassan. From my side you are free to post
> as much as you like.

Telling that it was crap itself shows that you get irritated by SRK posts,
Mr. Aamir Khan.

> BTW I like SRK in some roles as in Yes Boss recently. In the past I felt he
> was very good in Baazigar , Raju Ban gaya etc.

Hooh, atleast you didn't say that Baazigar was a copy of "A Kiss before
dying", Mr. self-righteous know-it-all !!!!! Have you seen a movie called
"Kabhie Haan Kabhie Naa" btw ?!

Bye
Shridhar

[ravi_krishna]

In article <6dfrh5$tlm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...

>Don't tell me that you don't know that Illayaraja copied a lot from Western
>Films.

Please go ahead and make a list of copied songs of Raja. Instead of putting
words in my mouth you can better prepare a list of copied songs of Raja.

> I don't know the name of this but recently i heard a song in which
>Illayaraja has copied from some old Hindi song.

Space provided here for reference please.

> It is one of the latests
>songs of '97. Also, MS Vishwanathan whom you seem to admire used to copy a
>lot from old classic Hindi songs.

The more you write , the more it is proved that you don't know anything about
tamil music. The MD who use to copy from Hindi films songs was Veda and not
MSV. Do not presume that all old tamil films were MD'ed by MSV.
MSV was a top class composer in the class of Madan Mohan,SDB,Shankar-Jaikishan
etc. I doubt whether you had listened to any old songs of MSV.

BTW talking about copy cats in tamil film music , the chor MD's were:-

Veda
Shankar Ganesh
Deva ( did you notice any similarity with Veda)

>Hooh, atleast you didn't say that Baazigar was a copy of "A Kiss before
>dying", Mr. self-righteous know-it-all !!!!! Have you seen a movie called
>"Kabhie Haan Kabhie Naa" btw ?!

Yup, another good movie of Shahrukh.

Ravi Krishna

[Vijay Kumar]

: In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980224152159.23224A-100000@shell>, Ketan says...

: >Jeevan ki bagiya mehkegi
: >He maine kasam li
: >Ta thai ta ta thai
: >Jaise Radha ne mala japi shaam ki.
: >
: >By now, you must have guessed that songs like this can only come from a
: >Burman. While the MD is SDB, the last song was mentioned in an FF article
: >as composed (not just recorded) by RDB. The article was by Varsha Bhosle,
: >Asha's daughter.

Without going into the merits of the matter, let me just mention
here that Varsha Bhonsle is a peerless lunatic in addition to being a
monumental parental failure. A glance at the Rediff site (www.rediff.com)
will suffice to establish the fallacy of taking her words to mean anything
at all, except perhaps an indication of the worth of a contrary opinion.

Vijay

PS: I am in a hit-and-run mode; please mail if you follow-up.

[s_jag...@yahoo.com]

----------------------
Ravi_Krishna 1998/02/24
Ketan 1998/02/24
Ravi_Krishna 1998/02/24
kalyan 1998/02/25
shridhar 1998/02/24
s_jagadish 1998/02/25
Ravi_Krishna 1998/02/25
Ravi_Krishna 1998/02/25
shridhar 1998/02/25
Ravi_Krishna 1998/02/25
shridhar 1998/02/26
Ravi_Krishna 1998/02/26
shridhar 1998/02/27
Ravi_Krishna 1998/02/27
Ketan 1998/02/27
Ravi_Krishna
1998/02/27
shridhar
1998/03/02
shridhar 1998/03/02
shridhar 1998/03/02
Ravi Krishna
1998/03/03
s_jagadish 1998/02/27
Vijay Kumar 1998/03/04
------------------------------

Guess what the above thing is ? its the tree structure derived from
the thread's progress through the days its been online. needless to
say, it looks like a game of tennis with only Shridhar and Ravi having
something to say - we, of those who did put up somthin and others who
didnt, are mere spectators to this Mahabharat !

jagadish

[venkat pedibhotla]

RaviKrishna wrote:
: In article <6dfrh5$tlm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...

: Ravi Krishna

Whoever this Shridhar is...please substantiate your accusations on
Illaiyaraja with actually providing a list of the songs that he
copied. Let's see how many you can come up with. Good luck!
Venkat

[Sridhar]

Ravi, Krishna wrote:
>
> In article <6dfrh5$tlm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...
>
> >Don't tell me that you don't know that Illayaraja copied a lot from Western
> >Films.
>
> Please go ahead and make a list of copied songs of Raja. Instead of putting
> words in my mouth you can better prepare a list of copied songs of Raja.
>
> > I don't know the name of this but recently i heard a song in which
> >Illayaraja has copied from some old Hindi song.
>
> Space provided here for reference please.
>

i'm unrelated to the other shridhar, but i heard that the song
'raakamma kayya taTTu' was copied from the hindi song
'tu tu taara' . i initially thought it was the other way around,
( if i remember right, the hindi movie was released after dalapati)
but a friend of mine (a tamilian - please don't cast aspersions)
said that raja and mani acknowledged that the tamil song'd been lifted.
anybody with clarifications?

[Subbarao G.S.S.]

On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Sridhar wrote:
> > > I don't know the name of this but recently i heard a song in which
> > >Illayaraja has copied from some old Hindi song.
> >
> > Space provided here for reference please.
> >
>
> i'm unrelated to the other shridhar, but i heard that the song
> 'raakamma kayya taTTu' was copied from the hindi song
> 'tu tu taara' . i initially thought it was the other way around,
> ( if i remember right, the hindi movie was released after dalapati)
> but a friend of mine (a tamilian - please don't cast aspersions)
> said that raja and mani acknowledged that the tamil song'd been lifted.
> anybody with clarifications?

I remember that I saw a (telugu) dubbed version of dalapati at least 1
year before the 'tu tu taara' movie (Bol radha bol) was released.

[AK]

In article 41...@nospam.ncsu.edu, Sridhar <sra...@nospam.ncsu.edu> () writes:
>Ravi, Krishna wrote:
>>
>> In article <6dfrh5$tlm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, shri...@hotmail.com says...
>>
>> >Don't tell me that you don't know that Illayaraja copied a lot from Western
>> >Films.
>>
>> Please go ahead and make a list of copied songs of Raja. Instead of putting
>> words in my mouth you can better prepare a list of copied songs of Raja.
>>

>> > I don't know the name of this but recently i heard a song in which
>> >Illayaraja has copied from some old Hindi song.
>>
>> Space provided here for reference please.
>>
>
>i'm unrelated to the other shridhar, but i heard that the song
>'raakamma kayya taTTu' was copied from the hindi song
>'tu tu taara' . i initially thought it was the other way around,
>( if i remember right, the hindi movie was released after dalapati)
>but a friend of mine (a tamilian - please don't cast aspersions)
>said that raja and mani acknowledged that the tamil song'd been lifted.
>anybody with clarifications?

Er, Not as I can remember it. Actually there was an interview with Raja and someone
asked him, what do you think of all thse people coying your tunes and he goes I dont have the time to fight all that . I shall take it as a compliment or words to that effect. Raakamma Kaiyya Thattu was definitely the original.
AK

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