The Roop Tera Mastana Story
Srinivas Ganti
>KK is said to have had a "hand" in suggesting the right
>genre/mood/inspiration (even composing entire mukhraas and antaras)for
>several songs - Roop tera mastaana - which, he apparently suggested to
>SDB, should be based on an old-Bengali song - Ektu pawre shoshurbaari.
Some time back SDB and RDB fan, Nilangshu Haldar told me about the making of
Roop Tera Mastana. After reading Anindya's post I remembered that I never
posted it.
Nilda met two members in the orchestra Brojen Biswas and Bhanu da.
sg.
Brojen Biswas's story
SD composed a fascinating tune at the sitting which everybody liked.. Just
then a boy came in..
Bahadur, the chap who gets tea.. SDB tells people present..it doesn't matter
to me whether you
people like my song or not....bahadur has to like my song...he represents
the class of people who
go to the movies so he sings his tune for bahadur..Bahadur is too stunned
for a reaction..sdb says
that this tune will not do..and he rejected his own tune much to the dismay
of Shakti Samanta (SS)
he then sings the roop tera tune with bengali words aami jaabo
shoshurbari..and bahadur starts
moving to the rhythm and he says to everyone he has got his tune ready SS is
aghast.When they go
out of the room, RDB tells SS not to worry, we will take care of what he
wants...and you will get the
sensual feel he wants in the song...The orchestration was done by RDB
Bhanu da's version
He was there for the session and for the recordings. SDB told him that
Shakti wanted Sensual song..
then he remebers this incident...
SDB had gone to meet somebody, and he kept on calling his name but this chap
wouldn't come out.
After some time this chap comes out and apologises. Says it is his
daughter's wedding. Daughter is
8 yr's old. She is reciting/singing that folk song...aami jaabo sosurbaari.
SDB recollects that tune
and he decides to he'll use the tune..Since Shakti asked for a sensual song
SDB decides to reduce
tempo of the song and make kishore beathe heavy.
Ritu
> >Anindya wrote:
> >KK is said to have had a "hand" in suggesting the right
> >genre/mood/inspiration (even composing entire mukhraas and antaras)for
> >several songs - Roop tera mastaana - which, he apparently suggested to
> >SDB, should be based on an old-Bengali song - Ektu pawre shoshurbaari.
Thanks for posting this anectode Srinivas
> Brojen Biswas's story
Is this the same Brojen Biswas who was SDB's tabalchi?
> > SD composed a fascinating tune at the sitting which everybody liked.. Just
> then a boy came in..
> Bahadur, the chap who gets tea.. SDB tells people present..it doesn't matter
> to me whether you
> people like my song or not....bahadur has to like my song...he represents
> the class of people who
> go to the movies so he sings his tune for bahadur..Bahadur is too stunned
> for a reaction..sdb says
> that this tune will not do..and he rejected his own tune much to the dismay
> of Shakti Samanta (SS)
This seems to prove that SD was as driven by the masses as any other
MD?!!
> 8 yr's old. She is reciting/singing that folk song...aami jaabo sosurbaari.
> SDB recollects that tune
8 years?!! I thought emancipation came to Bengal first. :-0!
I had seen an interview of Amit Kumar a couple of years back where he
basically says what Anindya had pointed out. SD Burman had come up
with a Bhatiyali tune(!!) for the situation and was adamant about it.
Since he was notorious for being inflexible, Kishore was roped in by
the lot there to make him consider other options. Kishore aparently
told him that this song 'Ekti pawre shoshur baari' was his own hit
bengali song(?!) and why not use that in this situation and Dada
Burman who seems to have had a great soft spot for Kishore, agreed.
I remember this interview very distinctly because I had found the very
idea of Bhatiyali in that situation quite rib tickling at that time
esp with the given lyrics.
But seems Bhanu Gupta and Brijon Biswas's story seems more credible
(though they too have slight conflicts in their versions). Amit
Kumar's story makes a very spciy and interesting anectode but he can
potentially be biased. As he stresses on the fact that SDB would
listen to know one but his father
-Ritu
Srinivas Ganti
>Ritu <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote :
> Is this the same Brojen Biswas who was SDB's tabalchi?
Yes.
> This seems to prove that SD was as driven by the masses as any other
> MD?!!
Well one RMIMer said, add some amount of Anilda's creativity to SJ
and we get SDB :)
In one interview I heard the following. SDB's first two Hindi movies
Shikari and Aath Din weren't musically successful. At that time music
of Ratan was a rage and SD's servant was humming a song from it.
Then SDB realised that hummability of tunes by the common man
is the key to success. The next movie was Do Bhai and the rest
is history.
sg.
Afzal A. Khan
Melodious as was the music of "Do Bhai", I sincerely doubt
whether household servants could be found humming its
tunes ! OTOH, the tunes of "Rattan" were so popular
because most of them were based on UP/Bihar folk-songs.
Also, many of the household servants (then and perhaps
even now) originally hailed from these two states.
All this IMHO.
Afzal
Anindya
> whether household servants could be found humming its
> tunes !
Bhimsen Joshi, for a short while, worked as a household servant in
Bong actor PahaDi Sanyal's house, it is said.
Therefore, depending on who the household servant is, it is
theoretically possible for him to hum even "Ketaki gulaab juhi..." ;)
Anindya
Ritu
> Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> >
> > >Ritu <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote :
>
> > > Is this the same Brojen Biswas who was SDB's tabalchi?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > This seems to prove that SD was as driven by the masses as any other
> > > MD?!!
> >
> > Well one RMIMer said, add some amount of Anilda's creativity to SJ
> > and we get SDB :)
Dada Burman and SJ ??? Ganti I thought you were a Burman fan? :-)
Actualy I would have to agree with this 'RMIMER' here. SD Burman music
was a potent mix of SJs catchiness and simplicity, Anil Biswas's
exotica spirited with dada's very own childlike joie de vivre. Simply
irresistable :)
> >
> > In one interview I heard the following. SDB's first two Hindi movies
> > Shikari and Aath Din weren't musically successful. At that time music
> > of Ratan was a rage and SD's servant was humming a song from it.
> > Then SDB realised that hummability of tunes by the common man
> > is the key to success. The next movie was Do Bhai and the rest
> > is history.
> >
> > sg.
>
>
> Melodious as was the music of "Do Bhai", I sincerely doubt
> whether household servants could be found humming its
> tunes ! OTOH, the tunes of "Rattan" were so popular
> because most of them were based on UP/Bihar folk-songs.
> Also, many of the household servants (then and perhaps
> even now) originally hailed from these two states.
> All this IMHO.
I feel 'Mera Sundar sapna beet gaya' is pretty hummable. And I think
the point SDB had was to keep his tunes as simple as possible so the
common man out there, typified by the household help (not of the
'ketaki gulab juhi' types ofcourse ;-)) would find it easy to hum.
That he did.
Cheers
Ritu
Srinivas Ganti
>Ritu wrote:
> Dada Burman and SJ ??? Ganti I thought you were a Burman fan? :-)
When it comes to popularity SDB and S-J have to be mentioned in the same
breath.
Have you heard the song "Ritu aaye ritu jaaye, duniyaa rang badalti hai"..
?
You come to RMIM meets and go back and the world changes. Since I am a part
of the world I have also changed :)
I started out as an SDB fan about 8 years back. Now I like a lot of MD's
including
many less prolific ones. Jagmohan Sursagar and Ustad Ali Akbar khan are
among my
favs. because of just 1 song they composed, the songs in question are
"pyaar ki ye
talkhiyan" and "hain kahiin par shaadmani". AFAIK Jagmohan composed for only
1 Hindi film Sardar, and Ali Akbar Khan composed for only 2, Aandhiyan and
Humsafar. Another of my fav. is Sailesh Mukherjee AFAIK he composed for only
2 Hindi films, Parichay and Savera. Some other less prolific favs. include
Jamal
Sen, Mohd. Shafi, V.Balsara, Basant Prakash, Bhola Shresht etc.
I haven't heard a lot of Khem Chand Prakash, Bulo C.Rani, Hansraj Behl,
S.N Tripathi, Sardar Malik, Sajjad Hussain, Husnlal Bhagatram, Shyam Sundar,
Gulam Mohammed etc. But based on this "tip of iceberg" exposure they are
among my favs.
sg.
naniwadekar
> >
> > Melodious as was the music of "Do Bhai", I sincerely doubt
> > whether household servants could be found humming its
> > tunes ! OTOH, the tunes of "Rattan" were so popular
> > because most of them were based on UP/Bihar folk-songs.
> > Also, many of the household servants (then and perhaps
> > even now) originally hailed from these two states.
> > All this IMHO.
>
> I feel 'Mera Sundar sapna beet gaya' is pretty hummable.
>
- dn
Anindya
> including
> many less prolific ones. Jagmohan Sursagar and Ustad Ali Akbar khan are
> among my
> favs. because of just 1 song they composed, the songs in question are
> "pyaar ki ye
> talkhiyan" and "hain kahiin par shaadmani". AFAIK Jagmohan composed for only
> 1 Hindi film Sardar, and Ali Akbar Khan composed for only 2, Aandhiyan and
> Humsafar.
Ali Akbar also composed for (non-Hindi) Merchant-Ivory's debut film:
Householder(beautiful title track), Satyajit Ray's Debi (lovely
Kirtan-based theme played by, among others, Nikhil Banerji), and Tapan
Sinha's Khudito Pashaan. (a. ny more?)Especially, check out the
mind-blowing title track of K.P. - a jugalbandi by, IIRC, A A Khan
himself and Nikhil Banerji, and Aamir Khaan Saheb's Baagesri: Kaise
kate rajani sajani.
wish we saw more of AAK in HFM/FM.
Anindya
Anindya
> among my
> favs.
further to my earlier post, AAK also composed for Bertolucci's Little
Buddha....he must have been around 70 by then. Excellent, subdued
score, beautiful movie.
Anindya
Ritu
> >Ritu wrote:
>
> > Dada Burman and SJ ??? Ganti I thought you were a Burman fan? :-)
>
>
> including
Yups same here. I too started off not only with SDB but Salil,OPN,SJ
et al during my school days. But as my ear got tuned to finer naunces
of music I more or less outgrew the rest but somehow SDB and Salil
have stuck. If you give yourself a break from SDBs music for a couple
of months and come back to it again... most of it sounds fresh all
over again. The same with Salil. Surprisingly Salil Chowdhry does not
get as much exposure on RMIM as SDB does. Or I guess everybody just
agrees that he was good :-)
Though I must thank RMIM and you for my renewed interest in SDB :-). I
have rediscovered him as a singer in a big way after hearing his
Bengali numbers. I feel SDB was a far better singer than he was a
composer. His music is of the spontaneous kind.. does not tickle the
intellect the way Jaidev, Vasant Desai, Roshan or Anil Biswas do but
warms the heart like no one else. Esp his own spirited singing never
ceases to fill you with delight.
Tallking of Ali Akbar Khan.. I have heard just one number of his 'Woh
Chaand nahin hai'. I've been searching for the cassette of Aandhiyan
ever since. It's been quite a long time but have not had any luck. I
know that the film is available on video(though I've not found it yet)
are there any audio releases of Aandhiyan and Humsafar?
You had also mentioned Jamal Sen in your list of fabvourites. Isn't he
is the person who composed 'Raaton ki neend chiin li' sung by
Suraiyya? Is his music available in any releases?
Regards,
Ritu
Srinivas Ganti
>Ritu <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote
>His music is of the spontaneous kind.. does not tickle the
> intellect the way Jaidev, Vasant Desai, Roshan or Anil Biswas do but
> warms the heart like no one else. Esp his own spirited singing never
> ceases to fill you with delight.
I agree with that but I wudn't put Vasant Desai with the other three.
I feel that Jaidev came at the wrong time...I mean if he had started
working independently by say late 40's things may have been
different.
> Tallking of Ali Akbar Khan.. I have heard just one number of his 'Woh
> Chaand nahin hai'. I've been searching for the cassette of Aandhiyan
> ever since. It's been quite a long time but have not had any luck. I
> know that the film is available on video(though I've not found it yet)
> are there any audio releases of Aandhiyan and Humsafar?
There has been. Recently one of my friends went to Bombay and got
the HMV tape of Aandhiyan / Humsafar for me.
> You had also mentioned Jamal Sen in your list of fabvourites. Isn't he
> is the person who composed 'Raaton ki neend chiin li' sung by
> Suraiyya? Is his music available in any releases?
Yup he is the same person. You can get the Shokiyan casette from
indianscreen.com or from one of those stores which sell those
spurious Singapore made tapes..Shokiyan is a gem of a soundtrack.
Jamal Sen is the composer of "devta tum ho meraa sahaara" from Daera.
This song might be available in many HMV compilations. I got it
from Meena Kumari Golden Collection. Also note that the entire
song is not present in the release. For the whole song you have to get
the video and its available in the Bay Area.
Happy Hunting,
sg.
Pradeep Dubey
> "Srinivas Ganti" <gant...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<a8t2e7$v0jc9$1...@ID-75004.news.dfncis.de>...
> > >Ritu wrote:
>
> > > Dada Burman and SJ ??? Ganti I thought you were a Burman fan? :-)
> >
> >
> > I started out as an SDB fan about 8 years back. Now I like a lot of MD's
> > including
>
> Yups same here. I too started off not only with SDB but Salil,OPN,SJ
> et al during my school days. But as my ear got tuned to finer naunces
> of music I more or less outgrew the rest but somehow SDB and Salil
> have stuck. If you give yourself a break from SDBs music for a couple
> of months and come back to it again... most of it sounds fresh all
> over again. The same with Salil. Surprisingly Salil Chowdhry does not
> get as much exposure on RMIM as SDB does. Or I guess everybody just
> agrees that he was good :-)
Sorry for nitpicking ...
"... he was god"
Pradeep
SKalra902
...snipped...
>Jamal Sen is the composer of "devta tum ho meraa sahaara" from Daera.
>This song might be available in many HMV compilations. I got it
>from Meena Kumari Golden Collection. Also note that the entire
>song is not present in the release. For the whole song you have to get
>the video and its available in the Bay Area.
But the whole song is not really 'whole' in the video, due to the cuts and
jumps. The complete song (2 parts) is available on a tape released in the late
70's/early 80's titled "Rare Bhajans from Hindi Films", probably by HMV.
Whether or not it is a bhajan is open to discussion, but it is one of the most
"soothing" songs.
>
>Happy Hunting,
>sg.
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Vinayak K.Gore
I read Jamal sen's name being quoted frequently, but nobody talks
about "Sapna ban sajan aye ",from "Shokhiya",perhaps the best song of
Lata and "Aasu to nahi hai Aakho.me"by Talat Mahmood from "Dayra"
Also people talk about less prolific music directors.I think it worth
mentioning Timir Baran's name, whose music of Devdas (Saaigals) ans
Badban (with S.K.Pal) is immortal.
I am a new person and I do not know how my views will be considered.
Srinivas Ganti
>Vinayak K.Gore wrote:
> I read Jamal sen's name being quoted frequently, but nobody talks
> about "Sapna ban sajan aye ",from "Shokhiya",perhaps the best song of
> Lata and "Aasu to nahi hai Aakho.me"by Talat Mahmood from "Dayra"
Sapna ban saajan aaye has been discussed enugh no. of times in the
past...Well Lata has atleast 100 songs if not 1000 which are as good as
Sapna Ban Saajan Aaye :)
> I am a new person and I do not know how my views will be considered.
Welcome!
sg.
Surajit A. Bose
"Srinivas Ganti" <gant...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sapna ban saajan aaye has been discussed enugh no. of times in the
> past..
It is a gorgeous song. Another Shokhiyaan song that I like a lot is the
Lata-Suraiya duet:
duur desh se aajaa re
aajaa re, aajaa re
mose rahaa nahii.n jaae
mose rahaa nahii.n jaae
mai.n moranii (?) mar jaauu.Ngii ...
There are a couple of other pleasant songs in the movie too.
Watch for "devataa tum ho meraa sahaaraa" in Fill In The Blanks soon.
It's coming....honest.
-s
Ashok
>
>rc0...@rediffmail.com (Ritu) wrote in message news:<8777cccd.0204...@posting.google.com>...
>> "Srinivas Ganti" <gant...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<a8t2e7$v0jc9$1...@ID-75004.news.dfncis.de>...
>> > >Ritu wrote:
>>
>> > > Dada Burman and SJ ??? Ganti I thought you were a Burman fan? :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > I started out as an SDB fan about 8 years back. Now I like a lot of MD's
>> > including
>>
>> Yups same here. I too started off not only with SDB but Salil,OPN,SJ
>> et al during my school days. But as my ear got tuned to finer naunces
>> of music I more or less outgrew the rest but somehow SDB and Salil
>> have stuck. If you give yourself a break from SDBs music for a couple
>> of months and come back to it again... most of it sounds fresh all
>> over again. The same with Salil. Surprisingly Salil Chowdhry does not
>> get as much exposure on RMIM as SDB does. Or I guess everybody just
>> agrees that he was good :-)
>
>Sorry for nitpicking ...
>
>"... he was god"
>
>Pradeep
You have a typo in your nitpick. That must be "dog".
Ashok
Anant Rege
"Vinayak K.Gore" <vinay...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Srinivas Ganti" <gant...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >Ritu <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote
> >
> I read Jamal sen's name being quoted frequently, but nobody talks
> about "Sapna ban sajan aye ",from "Shokhiya",perhaps the best song of
> Lata and "Aasu to nahi hai Aakho.me"by Talat Mahmood from "Dayra"
>
> Also people talk about less prolific music directors.I think it worth
> mentioning Timir Baran's name, whose music of Devdas (Saaigals) ans
> Badban (with S.K.Pal) is immortal.
>
> I am a new person and I do not know how my views will be considered.
Hello Vinayak
Welcome to RMIM. Nice to know that you did not waste much time after
learning about RMIM. And don't worry about being a new person. Go on
expressing your views and ignoring flames. :-) . But for your benefit, I am
reposting a "Friendly advice to newcomers", posted a while ago by one of the
veterans of RMIM, Mr. Surjit Singh.
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Hi New RMIM Poster:
If you wandered into RMIM by mistake, you are in the wrong class; this
is RMIM POSTING 101. If you are a veteran or do not plan to post, just
plan to browse no need to read further.
If you are a new RMIM Poster, let me as a veteran (since 1995) welcome
you to the wonderful world of RMIM.
As a veteran, I offer the following friendly advice.
You will either start a new thread or join one of the existing threads
(actually they are inverted trees, but no matter never mind).
New Thread: You are either telling us something or asking.
Telling: Please try to find out if we know it already or have
discussed it already by typing key phrases in a USENET search engine,
preferably google.
We have been doing it for a while. You will be surprised at what we
have been through. For example, if you just discovered that itanaa naa
mujhase is based
on some Mozart symphony, type Mozart in RMIM google and see what you
get.
If nothing turns up, please post. But beware that we have been spoiled
by the so-called self-styled gurus, who document their sources. People
will usually demand to know full details of the source of your
information.
If you express a strong opinion, be prepared to defend it.
Asking: Again, please search first. For example, if you want to know
all about nutan, just type nutan in yahoo or google. You will be
surprised to see actual very informative web sites.
Existing Thread: Same advice, but please read the existing parts
carefully to see what is being discussed and feel free to join and
have fun.
Again, welcome and enjoy!
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
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Cheers
Anant