RAFI---->SPB----(?? Kumar Sanu ??)
san...@arch4.ho.att.com
My reply to your comment on my article on Rafi did not reach
you; therefore, I am replying you on the net. Others may be
interested in the reply also which compares SPB and Kumar Sanu.
I am enclosing my comments on the subject at the end of your
reply.
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>Dear Sandeep,
>I agree with you a 100% that Rafi was the cream of the lot.
>India still has not produced an equal to him. You do have
>great taste and I agree that most people do have personel
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>preferences since eventhough I think Rafi is great I do
>not agree with you in the case of S.P.B. I think he has
>a very squeeky voice though Kumar Sanu is the best out of
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>the new lot.
You were really spared :-) by your own cautious keyword "personal
preferences". Let me explain why I thought SPB is next to Rafi
in my preference.
About Rafi:
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In this article let me not talk anything about Rafi; because, he
is in a class by himself. No body, nO bOdY, NO BODY, ... can be
compared to him.
Now talking about SPB:
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If you are comparing SPB's Hindi songs alone then I agree with you
that you may not choose SPB as the best; because, I don't consider
him the best, or even the next in Hindi songs. I would consider the
best male singer in Hindi is Udit Narayan.
His is the only voice right now which sounds original and masculine.
I am really turned off by SPB's Hindi
pronunciation, and feel there is some artificialness in his Hindi
songs. This is a common problem with South Indian singers. Some
how I did not feel it that much with KJ Yesudoss (on the other
hand SPB's tamil pronunciation is perfect compared to KJ Yesudoss's
Tamil pronunciation). Unfortunately, KJ Yesudoss is not that
popular compared to SPB. On the other hand, some Hindi listeners
may find SPB voice refreshing just for the fact it sounds little
different from other North Indian singers.
When I said he is the next best to Rafi, I was comparing Rafi
with Hindi songs (only) on one side, and SPB's non-Hindi songs,
and mainly his Tamil & Telugu songs (more of Tamil songs even
though Telugu is his mother tongue), on the other side. His
South Indian songs are gems, especially the songs under
Ilayaraaja music. For that matter, the songs with AR Rehaman
are also good (if not gems they are still good). I am not sure
if you know this he got national award for the movie
"Shankarabaranam" in which all songs are classical based. He
being not classically trained (KJ Yesudoss is) did such an
excellent job in singing. He has such a range of singing from
classical to popular music, singing for actors like Kamalahasan,
Rajani Kanth etc. etc. and matching their mannerism very well.
It was this wide range of talents that I compared with Rafi.
Not the voice itself. I know SPB does not have the same
sweetness of Rafi; but he compensated more than enough by his
range similar to what Kishore did so well. Talk to some of
your South Indian friends and get his songs from Kannada,
Tamil and Telugu songs (I have all these three language songs)
and listen to it. A better way may be to watch some popular
Kamalahasan movie. He acted in Tamil, Telugu and Kannada (I
am sure he acted in other languages also including Malayalam).
Then, you may agree with what I have been able to enjoy.
Now talking about Kumar Sanu:
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My initial comment will be "the less said about him is better".
But, since you consider him very highly let me share my
reservations.
He has been very lucky that he imitated Kishore Kumar
songs and became popular. Most of kishore Kumar fans like his
songs (if not like him, they atleast tolerate him). I said lucky
for another reason i.e. he has good songs and singing for popular
heroes. The second reason is very important among people who
watch movies. I noticed one difference when I first listened to
a song by itself and then watching the movie versus the other
way. Often, I have not liked Kumar Sanu's voice when I first
listened to the song; but, it grows on me when I see the
video. Whereas when I see a video first there is a good chance
that I like his song. At that time his nasal sound does not come
in the way that much. Also, I noticed his voice suits many actors.
(This is the single most reason why he is that popular at all)
I do not know if this has anything to do with the fact that his
voice or the singing style resembles Kishore Kumar.
In any case, there are some songs in which nasal sound is quite
predominant, and I can not get over the feeling why this man
sings, and why he is so popular. I do have his sings, and like
I mentioned before I have selected many of his popular songs
to sing in our performances.
Sandeep
rma...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
> Dear friend (I don't your name from your message),
> Now talking about SPB:
> ----------------------
> If you are comparing SPB's Hindi songs alone then I agree with you
> that you may not choose SPB as the best; because, I don't consider
> I am really turned off by SPB's Hindi pronunciation, and feel there
is some artificialness in his Hindi
> songs. This is a common problem with South Indian singers. Some\
> how I did not feel it that much with KJ Yesudoss (on the other
> hand SPB's tamil pronunciation is perfect compared to KJ Yesudoss's
> Tamil pronunciation). Unfortunately, KJ Yesudoss is not that
> popular compared to SPB. On th
You are 100% correct. I hate SPB's hindi songs. He is kinda
handicapped when he sings in hindi.
On a different note, RAfi sang few songs in telugu and they were all
hits. "yentavarulaina vedantava...", a copy of Baar baar dekho (china town)
comes to my mind. Rafi's telugu pronunciation was as bad as SPB's
hindi. I guess telugu ppl just loved Rafi's accent.
> are also good (if not gems they are still good). I am not sure
> if you know this he got national award for the movie
> "Shankarabaranam" in which all songs are classical based. He
> being not classically trained (KJ Yesudoss is) did such an
> excellent job in singing. He has such a range of singing from
> classical to popular music, singing for actors like Kamalahasan,
> Rajani Kanth etc. etc. and matching their mannerism very well.
I was told that K.Vishwanath(Director of Shankarabaranam) offered
M.Balamuralikrishna to sing . But he (Balamuralikrishna) wanted to act
as Shankar Sastry(lead role). Then, k.v.Mahadevan(music director)
suggested SPB. I am not sure about the authenticity of this story.
Somebody please confirm.
cul,
man3!
Prasad Golla
I heard the exact same thing. However it was not the movie Shankarabaranam,
it was Tyagayya.
If what I heard was right, it is understandable why Balamurali Krishna
wanted the role. As a classical singer what more can one expect in life
than portray Tyagayya himself? It would be a great thing. Probably as
a classical singer he might have eulogized Tyagayya a lot. And the movie
was worth it because K.Vishwanath a recognized director was directing it.
However, I feel that he should have still sung for the movie. He just let
his ego come in between and lost a great opportunity to sing for such a
nice movie.
Well, remember the 'spadam' he had not to sing in AP because he was
stripped off his 'astana vidvansudu' position. That was one of the
most stupidest things one has ever done. Thats an other matter.
Nageswara Prasad
Vakeesan Vallipuram
> In article <D6MoJ...@nntpa.cb.att.com>, san...@arch4.ho.att.com () writes:
> > Now talking about SPB:
> > ----------------------
> > If you are comparing SPB's Hindi songs alone then I agree with you
> > that you may not choose SPB as the best; because, I don't consider
> > I am really turned off by SPB's Hindi pronunciation, and feel there
> is some artificialness in his Hindi
Why? Come on man, didn't he sing in the movie EK DUJE KELIYE? SAAJAN?
LOVE? HUM UPNE TUM (i'm not sure about the full name)? LOVE LETTER?
etc......I'm not trying to say that he is perfect as he is in Tamil but
he has the talent to do that....I don't speak hindi but this is what I
would say...If his pronunciation is imperfect, many hindi song listeners
wouldn't have liked him...music directors wouldn't have asked him
to sing in many movies..All the movies I listed above were popular
ones in terms of the quality of the songs...I believe it was 1993, when
SPB was nominated for the best male singer in India for the 45th film
festival award.....His song in SAJAAN was an unforgettable one.....
I don't think there is any artificialness in SPB's hindi....He was originally
telugu right? Then, how come you said his TAMIL was perfect? If you
agree with what you said, then I can prove that his hindi was PERFECT as well.
> > songs. This is a common problem with South Indian singers. Some\
> > how I did not feel it that much with KJ Yesudoss (on the other
> > hand SPB's tamil pronunciation is perfect compared to KJ Yesudoss's
> > Tamil pronunciation). Unfortunately, KJ Yesudoss is not that
> > popular compared to SPB. On th
> You are 100% correct. I hate SPB's hindi songs. He is kinda
> handicapped when he sings in hindi.
Yeah right!!!!! Do you speak hindi my friend? I heard so much good
things about SPB's hindi songs....
> On a different note, RAfi sang few songs in telugu and they were all
> hits. "yentavarulaina vedantava...", a copy of Baar baar dekho (china town)
> comes to my mind. Rafi's telugu pronunciation was as bad as SPB's
> hindi. I guess telugu ppl just loved Rafi's accent.
> > are also good (if not gems they are still good). I am not sure
> > if you know this he got national award for the movie
> > "Shankarabaranam" in which all songs are classical based. He
> > being not classically trained (KJ Yesudoss is) did such an
> > excellent job in singing. He has such a range of singing from
> > classical to popular music, singing for actors like Kamalahasan,
> > Rajani Kanth etc. etc. and matching their mannerism very well.
> I was told that K.Vishwanath(Director of Shankarabaranam) offered
> M.Balamuralikrishna to sing . But he (Balamuralikrishna) wanted to act
> as Shankar Sastry(lead role). Then, k.v.Mahadevan(music director)
> suggested SPB. I am not sure about the authenticity of this story.
> Somebody please confirm.
Okay but still I think SPB's voice was the perfect one than if
Balamuralikrishna sang it.....May I know the reason
why K.V.Mahadevan didn't suggest K.J.Jesudas?
Thanks.....
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Jai Shanker Bhoothanath
I completely agree with Mr.Vakeesan. SPB's Hindi pronounciation is not so bad.
As a matter of fact, Kumar Sanu's hindi is also worse.I have heard quite a few
songs with his horrible pronounciation.Like Mr.Vakeesan pointed out, if people
don't like SPB then why would they ask him to sing in first place?Even after 5
yrs people still hum his Maine Pyar Kiya songs.Telugu people liked Rafi singing
songs in telugu even though his Pronounciation was bad.Its the way the person
sings & expresses his feelings thru the song (as Rafi used to do & SPB does
that). I would standby the point that SPB is the best singer in whole of India.
P.S. Did u know that SPB sang a few songs in Tulu language also !
A hard core Fan of SPB.
--
Jai Shanker Bhoothanath
Jai S Bhoothanath
jai...@iastate.edu
Neha Desai
>> handicapped when he sings in hindi.
i dont think this is at all true....
listen to his
maine pyar kiya songs
and also listen to that song from LOVE "saathiya...tuney kya kiya..."
maybe u are just prejudiced against southy singers....
learn to appreciate and admire good qualities in ppl when u see them or
hear them...:)))
P.S : i am not accepting any flames for this...
--
-neha
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rma...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>
> Yeah right!!!!! Do you speak hindi my friend? I heard so much good
> things about SPB's hindi songs....
Yes, I Do. (I did my schooling in hindi medium..)
I am sure "pronunciation" is not one of those good things.
Okay, GO listen to HAHK..the way he says "bhhaaaabhi" explains..
He can't speak hindi. SPB is a Telugu. He can speak Tamil, Kannada
fluently. So, don't ask why he can speak tamil fluently but not
hindi..I personally think that his telugu songs are any day better
than hindi songs.
>
> Okay but still I think SPB's voice was the perfect one than if
> Balamuralikrishna sang it.....
I don't want to comment about this one.
> May I know the reason why K.V.Mahadevan didn't suggest K.J.Jesudas?
No Idea. But will let you know as soon as KVM tells me..
Take it eaz,
Man3!
Vakeesan Vallipuram
> > Balamuralikrishna sang it.....
> I don't want to comment about this one.
why not my friend? Have you listened to Shankarabaranam songs?
I'm sure they still sound good to my ears...not only mine, also for
millions of people...those songs are unforgettables....
> > May I know the reason why K.V.Mahadevan didn't suggest K.J.Jesudas?
> No Idea. But will let you know as soon as KVM tells me..
Please, that's not the answer I was looking for. If you can't answer
questions, then don't try to argue with people......
take it easy oorvacy.......
thanx.
Ravi Subramanyam
"Shankarabharanam" songs (thinking that the producers had
no other choice...) and so, the producers decided to go with SPB and
the rest, you know what happened, the "Shankarabharanam" songs became
a craze and the music companies, such as HMV, which did not want
to buy the music rights of the film, thinking that it will be a flop,
regretted.
Also, another comment on SPB: He has sung pretty well in HAHK, his
Hindi accent has improved considerably as compared to his singing
in "Maine Pyar Kiya".
Ravi Subramanyam
Ramesh Hariharan
>
>Also, another comment on SPB: He has sung pretty well in HAHK, his
>Hindi accent has improved considerably as compared to his singing
>in "Maine Pyar Kiya".
Although I agree he has taken several strides .. the accent in "Didi
tera devar deewana" is pathetic.... esp. the part where he says
"haiiiii" instead of "hai"
>Ravi Subramanyam
--
Ramesh Hariharan, Princeton U.
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MSpeedy
varsitial, and sings many songs in many languages. Some people think that
Kumar Sanu is the best, but I don't. SPB sang the best in Noushad's Tere
Payal Mere Geet(the title song) and in A.R. Rehman's Roja( Yeh Haseen
Vdiyan). His voice is really great, I think he is comparable with some of
the greatest singer's.
--Ali Syed.
san...@arch4.ho.att.com
I am glad finally that somebody agrees on the fact that SPB is good.
If you all remember my original post I was saying that SPB will be
next to Rafi in my list of favourite singers considering total
versatility i.e considering the voice, range of emotions, ability
to adjust the voice to different singers, sing casually (some time
freely and rolling as done Rafi all the time)
Again, let me repeat. If I have to compare SPB only based on Hindi
songs then he will not be anywhere on top of my list. He may come
at the bottom 5 of the top 10 singers; but, if I take all the
singers in India, ignore the fact about who song in what language then
Rafi would still be my number 1, SPB number 2, Kishore number 3
and then others will follow.
Among current singers, Udit Narayan is the best, SPB next, Kumar Sanu
and others will follow.
Sandeep
