First Qawwaali in Hindi films
Anand Kuppuswamy
Hi,
In article <4vfd5u$1...@cegt201.bradley.edu>, you say...
>
>Hi folks,
> I want to know which is the first qawwali picturised in Hindi
>films. If somebody could post the P-stats it would be very helpful.
>Also does anybody have an idea as to how many qawwali's were composed
>by R.D.Burman. I can remember one from Hum kisi se kum nahin.
>
> regards
> Anand
I can think of 4 qawwalis (right now) by RDB ...
1. Hai agar dushman ... Hum Kisi se kum nahin ...
2. Pal dho pal ka saath hamara ... The Burning Train ...
3. Yaari hai iman mera yaar meri...Zanjeer (??) ...
4. Salam-e-ishq meri jaan zara... Muqaddar ka Sikander(is this by RDB??)
... there may be more ... I'll post them as they come to my mind ...
Anand Kuppuswamy
Nitin Sharma
Anand Tiwari (an...@cegt201.bradley.edu) wrote:
: Hi folks,
: I want to know which is the first qawwali picturised in Hindi
: films. If somebody could post the P-stats it would be very helpful.
The earliest qawwali i remember is "aahen na bhari, shikwe na kiya,
kuchh bhi na zubaan se kaam liya" - sung by noor jehan, ameerbai
and others.
Its a Naushad composition from a film in '40's.
I'm sure there would be some before that.
: Also does anybody have an idea as to how many qawwali's were composed
: by R.D.Burman. I can remember one from Hum kisi se kum nahin.
Which brought a thoght to my mind. Did the Sr. Burman compose any?
-nitin
Ashok
In article <4vfd5u$1...@cegt201.bradley.edu>, an...@cegt201.bradley.edu says...
>
>Hi folks,
> I want to know which is the first qawwali picturised in Hindi
>films. If somebody could post the P-stats it would be very helpful.
>by R.D.Burman. I can remember one from Hum kisi se kum nahin.
>
> Anand
>
One song that is sometimes mentioned as an early qawwali is "aahe.n na
bhari, shiqwe na kiye" from film 'Zeenat' composed by Hafiz Khan. It
was written by Naqshab and sung by Noorjehan, Kalyani, and Zohra. In
an earlier posting, Dr Surjit Singh said that this was the first all-
female qawwali song in films, leaving open the possibility of earlier
qawwali songs.
BTW, I am still looking for any article discussing the light filmi
qawwali as a genre and its relation, if any, to the devotional qawwali.
Let me know if you know or find any.
RDB and qawwali? You sure you want to listen to them? :)
Ashok
Jairaj, Vinod
HI!
# 3 and # 4 are composed by Kalyanji-Anandji.
Vinod
Jairaj, Vinod
HI!
One qawwaali which was composed by S.D.Burman is the title song
of Chupa Rustum, *g Dev Anand and ????
Vinod
Arun Verma
In article <4vfi6g$5...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>,
Anand Kuppuswamy <akup...@vt.edu> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>In article <4vfd5u$1...@cegt201.bradley.edu>, you say...
>>
>> I want to know which is the first qawwali picturised in Hindi
>>films. If somebody could post the P-stats it would be very helpful.
>>Also does anybody have an idea as to how many qawwali's were composed
>>by R.D.Burman. I can remember one from Hum kisi se kum nahin.
>>
>> regards
>> Anand
>
>
>1. Hai agar dushman ... Hum Kisi se kum nahin ...
>2. Pal dho pal ka saath hamara ... The Burning Train ...
>3. Yaari hai iman mera yaar meri...Zanjeer (??) ...
>4. Salam-e-ishq meri jaan zara... Muqaddar ka Sikander(is this by RDB??)
>... there may be more ... I'll post them as they come to my mind ...
>
>Anand Kuppuswamy
>
Last two are by KA. (Zanjeer and MKS). I recall two more quawallis by RDB
Koi mar jaye kisi pe ye kahan dekha hai (Deewar)
Pari ho aasmani tum, magar tumko to pana hai (ZAmane ko dikahana hai)
There may a few more which I don't recall now.
Arun
Nitin Sharma
Anand Kuppuswamy (akup...@vt.edu) wrote:
:
: 4. Salam-e-ishq meri jaan zara... Muqaddar ka Sikander(is this by RDB??)
Is this a qawwali ??
I thought it is more of a mujra.
-n
Anand Tiwari
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
In article <4vfi6g$5...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> akup...@vt.edu (Anand Kuppuswamy) writes:
>
>1. Hai agar dushman ... Hum Kisi se kum nahin ...
>2. Pal dho pal ka saath hamara ... The Burning Train ...
>3. Yaari hai iman mera yaar meri...Zanjeer (??) ...
>
Sanjeev
Ashish Banerjee
>
> 2. Pal dho pal ka saath hamara ... The Burning Train ...
> 3. Yaari hai iman mera yaar meri...Zanjeer (??) ...
> 4. Salam-e-ishq meri jaan zara... Muqaddar ka Sikander(is this by RDB??)
> ... there may be more ... I'll post them as they come to my mind ...
>
3 and 4 are by K-A. One excellent Qawwali by Rahul Dev Burman is in
Zamaane ko Dikhaana Hai called "Pari ho Aasmaani tum...".
Ashish
du...@ttacs.ttu.edu
In article <4vfd5u$1...@cegt201.bradley.edu>,
an...@cegt201.bradley.edu (Anand Tiwari) wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> I want to know which is the first qawwali picturised in Hindi
> films. If somebody could post the P-stats it would be very helpful.
> Also does anybody have an idea as to how many qawwali's were composed
> by R.D.Burman. I can remember one from Hum kisi se kum nahin.
> regards
> Anand
>
Hi Anand:
I do not have a definite answer to this question. But on looking through the first volume (1931-1940) of the Hindi Film Geet Kosh of Har Mandir Singh "hamaraaz", I found that the word qavvaalii is used for the first time for the following song:
idhar dekhataa huu.N udhar dekhataa huu.N,
Kudaa hii Kudaa hai jidhar dekhataa huu.N.
It is written by Pt. naaraayaN prasaad "betaab" for the movie sitamagar (1934),
produced by Ranjit Movietone, Bombay, directed by Jayant Desai. The music is by either banne Kaa.N or revaa shankar. The names of the singers are lost, but the players are
E. bilmoriyaa, kekii baabaa, ghorii, diikshit, iishvaralaal, bhuupataraay, raam aapTe, maadhurii, Kaatuun, shaanta, taaraabaii.
Since playback singing was not invented until 1935, it is reasonable to assume that one or more of these actors sang in the qavvaalii. According to Master Fida Hussain, Miss Kaatuun sang some of the songs. It appears then that she most probably sang in the qavvaalii. Since bilmoriyaa is mentioned first in the cast, he probably sang too.
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
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David Anthony Windsor
G'day:
Anand Kuppuswamy wrote in reply to the request for qawwalis by RDB:
>I can think of 4 qawwalis (right now) by RDB ...
>
>1. Hai agar dushman ... Hum Kisi se kum nahin ...
>2. Pal dho pal ka saath hamara ... The Burning Train ...
>3. Yaari hai iman mera yaar meri...Zanjeer (??) ...
>4. Salam-e-ishq meri jaan zara... Muqaddar ka Sikander(is this by RDB??)
Didn't Kalyanji-Anandji md the last two listed?
Also flicking through 'Filmi Qawwaliyan', I came across these others by RDB:
kya hua jo na pai wafa aap se Gahra Zakhm, Nida Fazli
is nazar pe ye sabhi Deewar, Sahir
laakh pardoN meN chhupoN do.
shuru hota hai phir baatoN ka mausam Sholay, Anand Bakhshi
aisi sunayeN ki mahfil de taali Adhikar, Ramesh Pant
I also wonder if anyone would be kind enough to educate me in the formal
(ie, musical and poetic) characteristics of the qawwali.
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:
>One song that is sometimes mentioned as an early qawwali is "aahe.n na
>bhari, shiqwe na kiye" from film 'Zeenat' composed by Hafiz Khan. It
>was written by Naqshab and sung by Noorjehan, Kalyani, and Zohra. In
>an earlier posting, Dr Surjit Singh said that this was the first all-
>female qawwali song in films, leaving open the possibility of earlier
>qawwali songs.
I have this song listed as being md'd by Mir Sahib.
Cheers,
D
Joey Thykkuttathil
Here is my one cent worth,
Noorjehan, Kalyani, and Zohra do not have the voice to belt out a
Qawwali. You should get a copy of the Qawwali by Ismail Qawwal Azzad
from the film "Alhilal" - 'hamein to loot liya'. That is a real Qawwali!
of the '50s. After you hear that, compare it to the "Noorjehan,
Kalyani, and Zohra Qawwali" and then say which sounds more like a "Q".
regards,
joey
Ashok
In article <322BFE...@prostar.com>, js...@prostar.com says...
>
>
>Here is my one cent worth,
>
Sorry, even at one cent, your posting is overpriced!
>Noorjehan, Kalyani, and Zohra do not have the voice to belt out a
>Qawwali. You should get a copy of the Qawwali by Ismail Qawwal Azzad
>from the film "Alhilal" - 'hamein to loot liya'. That is a real Qawwali!
>of the '50s. After you hear that, compare it to the "Noorjehan,
>Kalyani, and Zohra Qawwali" and then say which sounds more like a "Q".
>
>regards,
>
>joey
Anyone can post anything on a newsgroup, but if you care to have your
precious utterings valued at one cent or better, learn to pay attention
to what's being said on the thread to which you seek to follow-up. For
your information, in the current thread the interesting question was to
look for the earliest instance of a film song that has come to be
characterized as a qawwali. The characterization could be right or wrong,
but who is the final authority? YOU? What are your qualifications/
credentials? For example, the song from 'Zeenat' is included in the
RPG's 4-cassette album of 'Qawwali's from Films.' Perhaps RPG erred in
not consulting you as to what is and what is not a qawwali!
Look at the following:
>David Anthony Windsor wrote:
>>
>> I also wonder if anyone would be kind enough to educate me in the formal
>> (ie, musical and poetic) characteristics of the qawwali.
>>
My original posting also had the following paragraph:
>
BTW, I am still looking for any article discussing the light filmi
qawwali as a genre and its relation, if any, to the devotional qawwali.
Let me know if you know or find any.
>
It would be rather nice if you can contribute anything intelligent on
these questions. If, on the other hand, you are under the impression
that the song you mention represents a rare discovery for RMIM, then
you have a lot to learn abut the group. Incidentally, the correct name of the
film is 'Al Hilal' and the correct credit for singers is Ismail Azad Qawwal
and Party. It was written by Shevan Rizvi and the 1958 film is one of the
last scored by Bulo C. Rani. The complete lyrics were contributed some
time ago by Ms. Neeraj Malhotra and should become available with the next
issue of ISB.
Ashok
PS: No diisrespect to Ismail Azad Qawwal, but he is no Sabri either. The
following excerpt from an article on Begum Akhtar might be of interest.
MALIKA-E-GHAZAL---BEGUM AKHTAR
BY G.N.JOSHI
<chop>
On this particular day Begum Akhtar was in excellent form. We
had just completed the recording of two bewitching ghazals and were getting
ready for the recording of naats, when my Punjabi boss walked in. "Well,
Begumsab, what is it you are recording now?" he asked casually. On being
told that she was recording two naats, the officer said, with a knowledgeable
air, "Look here, Begumsab, we have recorded some really good naats sung by
famous qawals like Ismail Azad Qawal and Usuf Azad Qawal of Bhendi Bazaar
and these records sell like hot cakes. I suggest you also sing in the
same style."
I was taken aback by his audacity. To suggest to an illustrious
singer of national repute like Begum Akhtar that she should copy the
manner and style of an ordinary qawal of Bhendi Bazaar was terribly
insulting. Begum Akhtar was red and speechless with anger and indignation.
She controlled herself, and pushing the harmonium away, lit a cigarette
and began smoking furiously. I immediately saw that all hopes of furhter
recording that evening had gone up in smoke. The officer went away after
a while, not even aware of his blunder. Begum Akhtar was still red in the
face and was puffing at her cigarette in an agitated manner. I said to
her, "Begumsab, we won't do any more recording today. I am as upset as
you are. We will proceed with the recording tomorrow; please forget the
incident and sing in your usual style."
"I do not know," she said seething with anger and disgust, "why
Yeh Kudhon ke Badshah set foot inside the studio. How dare he make such
silly and rude suggestions!" However, by the next morning she had regained
her normal poise, and I met her at the hotel and brought her to complete
the recording. Begum Akhtar recorded the naats in her usual captivating
style.
My boss had absolutely no business to tender such uncalled-for
advice to the great artist, but there was nothing I could do about it.
For a long time after, whenever Begum Akhtar came to our studios, she
would ask me, "Woh Kudhon ke Badshah kahan hai?"