MOTIVATIONAL SONGS
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thinking of other motivational songs.
There is quite a difference between outright prayers in which a higher
being is praised. They also bring calm.
But motivational songs are actually something different as far as I
think. they take us away from destructive tensions and enthuse us to do
good things.
Thus om jai jagdish hare, or hanuman chalisa are not exactly
motivational songs I am looking for.
Ankush "itni shakti hamein dena data" and "ae maalik tere bande hum" are
the ones.
more please?
-Rawat
Ashish
1. Wo subah kabhi to aayegi..
2. Hum ko man ki shakti dena, man vijay karein.
Doosroan ki jay se pahle, apni jay karein...
Ashish
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Hema
"jahaa.N me.n aisaa kaun hai ki jisko gham milaa nahii.n" - Hum Dono
Hema.
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Mads
> think. they take us away from destructive tensions and enthuse us to do
> good things.
How about the number from Prem Pujari ... "Taakat watan ke hum se hai"
... it always gets me really enthu' ! In part because I am a service
brat I guess, but mostly because the beat is such that one can't help
but feeling good !!
- M
Sudhir
SONE KI CHIDYA / Raat Bhar Ka Hai Mehman Andhera / Rafi + Chorus
Lyrics: Sahir
JAWAB (50s) / Aaj Gham Kal Khushi, Hai Yehi Zindagi Sun Le Pyare
Aadmi Woh Jo Himmat Na Haare / Rafi
Lyrics: Naqshab , MD: Nashad
Availability: Not easily availble
Sudhir
S.Jayaraman
> thinking of other motivational songs.
>
> There is quite a difference between outright prayers in which a higher
> being is praised. They also bring calm.
>
> But
To your querry on MOTIVATIONAL SONGS, there are umpteen no.of songs
from Indian cinema and in my library.But I do not find any genuine
takers for them.For example: If I say that there is a number rendered
by Manna Dey under the baton of Pt.Gobindram from RUPA ('46) how many
are going to be interested? Tell me honestly. Similarly, Khan Mastana
has rendered a lovely solo under Shyamsunder in DEV KANYA ('46), Asha
ki jyot jala jaa...
I really get dissappointed when I see the total bankruptcy of such
info seekers!
Jai
29/1
surjit singh
Hi Jai:
Avoid disappointment and post to RMIM the complete list of all the
rare songs you have. You should be willing to do so as you are an
eager info provider. I am an eager info seeker and will be genuinely,
as opposed to superficially, grateful.
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
> Jai
> 29/1
Sudhir
The lyricist of film: Jawab / Aaj Gham Kal Khushi..... was:
Khumar Barbankvi (not Naqshab)
Sorry
Sudhir
------------------------
>
> JAWAB (50s) / Aaj Gham Kal Khushi, Hai Yehi Zindagi Sun Le Pyare
> Aadmi Woh Jo Himmat Na Haare / Rafi
>
> Lyrics: Naqshab , MD: Nashad
Correct to >> Khumar Barabankvi
>
> Availability: Not easily availble
>
>
Pradeep Dubey
Jai Ji:
Talking about motivational songs, you should be more motivated and not
disappointed like this! You can avoid some potential bankruptcies by
sharing what you have, without waiting for the info-seekers to seek.
Here are two lines in admiration of your effort:
RMIM ke rimjhim ke pyaasoN, kuaaN de raha dastak dhak-dhak
doob mare ab pyaas tumhArii, kaisa sharmana ye ab tak
Pradeep
P.S. kuaaN = well ... oh well, in case it wasn't clear :-)
> Jai
> 29/1
vsr...@onebox.com
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> > vsr...@onebox.com wrote in message news:<3C538271...@onebox.com>...
> > > Thinking of tufaan and diya song "nirbal se ladaaee balwaan ki", I was
> > > thinking of other motivational songs.
> > >
> > > There is quite a difference between outright prayers in which a higher
> > > being is praised. They also bring calm.
> > >
> > > But
> >
> > To your querry on MOTIVATIONAL SONGS, there are umpteen no.of songs
> > from Indian cinema and in my library.But I do not find any genuine
> > takers for them.
What type of takers do you fancy?
I just wanted to know about some motivational songs like the ones
mentioned by other members. You could also have contributed instead of
thinking whether people will take them or not.
In a way, you are right that I was interested in only those songs which
are somewhat popular, and can be heard on radio/tv or cassette can eb
easily found. What would I do with such rare songs searching whom will
be testing my motivation.
It is sad that you are not having popular songs in your excellent
library.
> For example: If I say that there is a number rendered
> > by Manna Dey under the baton of Pt.Gobindram from RUPA ('46) how many
> > are going to be interested? Tell me honestly. Similarly, Khan Mastana
> > has rendered a lovely solo under Shyamsunder in DEV KANYA ('46), Asha
> > ki jyot jala jaa...
> >
> > I really get dissappointed when I see the total bankruptcy of such
> > info seekers!
and I really get dissappointed when I see the total bankruptcy of such
info givers!
Please do post info about a few motivational songs that you often hum.
-Rawat
Prakash Pradhan
> sjh...@yahoo.com (S.Jayaraman) wrote in message news:<7136b5fd.02012...@posting.google.com>...
> > vsr...@onebox.com wrote in message news:<3C538271...@onebox.com>...
> > > Thinking of tufaan and diya song "nirbal se ladaaee balwaan ki", I was
> > > thinking of other motivational songs.
> > >
> > info seekers!
>
> Jai Ji:
> Talking about motivational songs, you should be more motivated and not
> disappointed like this! You can avoid some potential bankruptcies by
> sharing what you have, without waiting for the info-seekers to seek.
> Here are two lines in admiration of your effort:
>
> RMIM ke rimjhim ke pyaasoN, kuaaN de raha dastak dhak-dhak
> doob mare ab pyaas tumhArii, kaisa sharmana ye ab tak
>
> Pradeep
> P.S. kuaaN = well ... oh well, in case it wasn't clear :-)
>
> > Jai
> > 29/1
Pradeep ji, very nice. I got motivated to write.
Dear Mr. jayaraman,
This goes for the topic as well as for you.
Teri Duniya me NahiN Koi hamara apana (sss for taan)(Well not exactly!!!)
Be saharoN ke liye de de sahara apna (ss ss) de de sahara apna. (We hope)
(I am not sure but could the film be old Baarood A Sh. Mukhtar movie??)
Prakash Pradhan
SKalra902
>Dear Mr. jayaraman,
>This goes for the topic as well as for you.
>
>Teri Duniya me NahiN Koi hamara apana (sss for taan)(Well not exactly!!!)
>Be saharoN ke liye de de sahara apna (ss ss) de de sahara apna. (We hope)
>(I am not sure but could the film be old Baarood A Sh. Mukhtar movie??)
>Prakash Pradhan
I tried, but could not understand the "(sss for taan)", and the "(ss ss)".
On another note, the second line of the song is "Besahaaro.n ko zaraa de de
sahaaraa apnaa..". And it is indeed from Sheikh Mukhtar's Baarood.
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Prakash Pradhan
> >Pradeep ji, very nice. I got motivated to write.
> >Dear Mr. jayaraman,
> >This goes for the topic as well as for you.
> >
> >Teri Duniya me NahiN Koi hamara apana (sss for taan)(Well not exactly!!!)
> >Be saharoN ke liye de de sahara apna (ss ss) de de sahara apna. (We hope)
> >(I am not sure but could the film be old Baarood A Sh. Mukhtar movie??)
> >Prakash Pradhan
>
> I tried, but could not understand the "(sss for taan)", and the "(ss ss)".
Satish ji,
I am sure you know the tunes of this song. At the end of first line is
a small taan (the notes mainly are Ga & Pa) before you go to the 2nd
line. That's what I meant. Same for the middle of 2nd line (Re-Ga). I
just showed it 'sss' thus.
>
> On another note, the second line of the song is "Besahaaro.n ko zaraa de de
> sahaaraa apnaa..". And it is indeed from Sheikh Mukhtar's Baarood.
Thanks for corrections. I refer to my memory to some extent, saw the
movie almost 40/45 years back. (I think. Baby Nanda also?) See what
people such as you and this rmim does? bring back Good old memories
besides sharing info and knowledge.
PDP
>
> Happy listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra
SKalra902
>a small taan (the notes mainly are Ga & Pa) before you go to the 2nd
>line. That's what I meant. Same for the middle of 2nd line (Re-Ga). I
>just showed it 'sss' thus.
Thank you.
> I refer to my memory to some extent, saw the
>movie almost 40/45 years back. (I think. Baby Nanda also?)
Most of the time, so do most of us (refer to the meory). :) Yes, it, being a
1960 film, is an old film. But no Baby Nanda there. Perhaps you were thinking
of Qaidi No. 911, also by Sheikh Mukhtar, but a year earlier. And even by the
time of Qaidi No. 911, Nanda was not a "Baby" any more. :)
BTW, the song "terii duniyaa me.n nahii.n..." was a two sided song, so it also
qualifies for "long songs", as does another Lata number from the early 60's,
"Subah hotii hai, shaam hotii hai, zindagii yu.Nhii tamaam hotii hai..". How
aptly did the poet describe the present day life!
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
vsr...@onebox.com
Door hai kinara, gahree nadee ki dhara
tooti teri naiyaa, maajhi, khete jaao re,
o majhi re, khete jaao re
lovely song. These two lines itself charged me up.
Could anybody post the lyrics and pstats. Guess it was by Manna dey.
Incidently, I think most of the majhi songs, if not all, are
motivational or at least highly philosphical.
-Rawat
Anindya
> Heard a song today on vivdh bharati after ages.
>
> Door hai kinara, gahree nadee ki dhara
> tooti teri naiyaa, maajhi, khete jaao re,
> o majhi re, khete jaao re
>
> lovely song. These two lines itself charged me up.
>
> Could anybody post the lyrics and pstats. Guess it was by Manna dey.
yes. Manna Dey, from Saudagar. MD: Ravindra Jain. Beautiful song,
indeed, in the Bengali boatman's song mould.
> Incidently, I think most of the majhi songs, if not all, are
> motivational or at least highly philosphical.
true. Couple of great ones (apart from several songs sung by SDB, of
course) which qualify:
Ganga ganga ke bhari godi mein - Mere Apne, SalilC, Manna (lyrics:
Gulzar)
O Majhi re - Khushboo, RDB, Kishore (l: Gulzar)
O majhi tere naiya se - Aar Paar, RDB, RDB (l: Anand Bakshi)
...and, the greatest of them all, according to me - Ganga aaye
kahaan.se - Kabuliwala, SalilC, HemantK (l: Shailendra?..not sure)
Anindya
Surajit A. Bose
andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
>
> ...and, the greatest of them all, according to me - Ganga aaye
> kahaan.se - Kabuliwala, SalilC, HemantK (l: Shailendra?..not sure)
Agree about its greatness. Not a maa.njhii song lyrically or by
picturization. Stylistically more a baul, surely?
Lyrics, surprisingly, by Gulzar. Very beautiful poetic expression of
advaita, far above the standards of his usual whinings about burning
moons and empty vessels.
raat kaarii, din ujiyaaraa, mil gaye.n dono.n saaye
saa.Njh ne dekho ra.ng ruup ke kaise bhed miTaaye re
laharaaye paanii me.n jaise dhuup chhaa.Nv re
-s
Girish Bhat
>
> Ankush "itni shakti hamein dena data" and "ae maalik tere bande hum" are
> the ones.
>
I have NO idea of the film, I vaguely remember it was sung by some
Bandhus
(I have even forgotten their names) I do not recollect the lyrics
properly
either. In short nothing. ;-)
BUT having said all this, there IS an excellent song just like this,
it has been sung by these Bandhus (brothers)in a monotonically
increasing style. It starts something like "Suraj ki paheli kiran ko
something something ... Aisa hi something, something mere Raam. ;-)
Hope someone will recognize the song and flesh in the details. ;-)
Anindya
> In article <f43baef6.02020...@posting.google.com>,
> andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
>
> >
> > ...and, the greatest of them all, according to me - Ganga aaye
> > kahaan.se - Kabuliwala, SalilC, HemantK (l: Shailendra?..not sure)
>
> Agree about its greatness. Not a maa.njhii song lyrically or by
> picturization. Stylistically more a baul, surely?
well, yes and no. Stylistically, it's a remake of the earlier Aamay
doobaili re (Ganga), which is an out-and-out Bhatiyali, IMHO,
eapecially towards the end (Kool nai..sheema nai...hai re..: SalilC
dropped this part in the Hindi version, probably looking at HemantK's
vocal limitations.)
The picturisation, IIRC, Balraj sitting on a bench by the riverside,
and watching a boat go by, and the song emanating from inside the
boat. Wasn't it?
But the rhythm was more baulish, I agree with you, but the theme
wasn't.
> Lyrics, surprisingly, by Gulzar. Very beautiful poetic expression of
> advaita, far above the standards of his usual whinings about burning
> moons and empty vessels.
>
> raat kaarii, din ujiyaaraa, mil gaye.n dono.n saaye
> saa.Njh ne dekho ra.ng ruup ke kaise bhed miTaaye re
> laharaaye paanii me.n jaise dhuup chhaa.Nv re
>
yeah, something told me it was Gulzar, but the style was more like
Shailendra, I thought (the antara of the Door Gagan Ke Chhaon Mein
theme song, for instance)
On Gulzar and moon, I had a couple of observations..maybe in another
thread. His moon isn't always burnt, sometimes it's only warm (Naram
naram raat mein, garaam garam chaand par), and sometimes wet (Neeli
nadi ke paDe, gila sa chaand hil gaya) - he has covered the entire
range of 0-100 degrees celcius.
another beautiful boat-imagery (not a maajhi song, though), IMO, is
Dr. Bachchan's:
(pardon my non-ITRANS littering):
Sanskriti ke vistrit saagar par
Sapno.n ke nauka ke andar
Sukh dukh ki lehero.n ke upar
koi gaata ...mai.n so jaata
(Alaap, Jaidev, Yesudas)
Dr. B's best, IMHO
Anindya
Girish Bhat
> the ones.
>
I have now belatedly remembered some more of the lyrics of the song
I was talking about.
The addition is "Aisa hi sukh mere mann ko hai mila jab se mein
tere sharan mein aaya."
Hope someone will flesh in the rest of the details
Abhay Phadnis
vaisaa hii sukh mere man ko milaa hai mai.n jab se sharan terii aayaa, mere
raam
Film: Parinay (IIRC)
Singers: Sharma Bandhu
MD: Jaidev
Not sure about the lyrist.
How is this song motivational? Devotional, yes; but the two are not
synonymous, or even necessarily related!
Warm regards,
Abhay
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Aashish Thakker
more p-stats and lyrics at the C-ISB
http://thaxi.hsc.usc.edu/cisb/ASCII/845.isb
regards,
Aashish
Ritu
> "Surajit A. Bose" <sb...@saintmarys.edu> wrote in message news:<sbose-299C5C....@news.fu-berlin.de>...
> > In article <f43baef6.02020...@posting.google.com>,
> > andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ...and, the greatest of them all, according to me - Ganga aaye
> > > kahaan.se - Kabuliwala, SalilC, HemantK (l: Shailendra?..not sure)
> >
> > Agree about its greatness. Not a maa.njhii song lyrically or by
> > picturization. Stylistically more a baul, surely?
>
> well, yes and no. Stylistically, it's a remake of the earlier Aamay
> doobaili re (Ganga), which is an out-and-out Bhatiyali, IMHO,
> eapecially towards the end (Kool nai..sheema nai...hai re..: SalilC
> dropped this part in the Hindi version, probably looking at HemantK's
> vocal limitations.)
>
> The picturisation, IIRC, Balraj sitting on a bench by the riverside,
> and watching a boat go by, and the song emanating from inside the
> boat. Wasn't it?
There was someone actually lip syncing the song. Because after it gets
over Balraj Sahni goes and tells him how his singing is very stirring
or something.
>
> But the rhythm was more baulish, I agree with you, but the theme
> wasn't.
>
> > Lyrics, surprisingly, by Gulzar. Very beautiful poetic expression of
> > advaita, far above the standards of his usual whinings about burning
> > moons and empty vessels.
> >
> > raat kaarii, din ujiyaaraa, mil gaye.n dono.n saaye
> > saa.Njh ne dekho ra.ng ruup ke kaise bhed miTaaye re
> > laharaaye paanii me.n jaise dhuup chhaa.Nv re
The leharaye paani mein jaise dhoop chaaon re is very evocative as is
the next stanza
kaanch koi maati koi rang birange pyale
pyaas lage toh ek barabar usme paani dale re
lehraye...
>
> yeah, something told me it was Gulzar, but the style was more like
> Shailendra, I thought (the antara of the Door Gagan Ke Chhaon Mein
> theme song, for instance)
I thought so too. I too was very surprised to discover it's Gulzar.
Talking of Shailendra his 'Wahah kaun hai tera' from Guide is also
very profound.
While on SDB and Bhatiyali songs which ones apart from Sun Mere Bandhu
and Mere Sajan hain us paar are truly bhatiyali ?
Do songs like 'Wahan kaun hai tera' also come in the same category?
Also, what are the hindi songs that are based on the Baul? 'Aaj sajan
mohe ang lagalo'?
While on Motivational songs here are the ones that motivate me(leaving
out the patriotic ones)
Rahi tu mat ruk jaana (Door gagan ki chaon mein)
Aa chal ke tujhe mein leke chalun (Door gagan ki chaon mein)
Aaj nahin toh kal, bikhrenge yeh baadal, o raat ke bhule hue musafir
subah hui ghar chal (Geeta Dutt, don't know which film)
Jahan mein aisa kaun hai, sukh aur dukh ke raaste(Hum Dono)
kahan tak yeh man ko andhere chalenge (Baaton Baaton mein)
Kahe ko roye, chahe jo hoye (Aardhana)
and last but not the least
Tadbeer se bigdi hui taqdeer bana le.
Cheers
Ritu
SKalra902
...snipped...
>and last but not the least
>Tadbeer se bigdi hui taqdeer bana le.
>
One of my all time favorites in this category is the Zalzala immortal by Pankaj
Mullick & chorus, "Jiivan naiyya, behtii jaaye.., hayii ho hayii ho..". Fits
both the 'manjhi' and 'motivational' categories. :)
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
vsr...@onebox.com
That reminds of Mukesh song:
chhal chhal bahati jeevan dhara
maajhi naiyya dhoondhe kinara
kisi na kisi ki khoj mein hai, ye jag saara
so does:
nadiya chale, chale re dhara,
chanda chale, chale re tara,
tujhko chalna hoga
both fit both the manjhi and motivational categories.
-Rawat
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>
> lyrics were by Ramanand Sharma
>
> more p-stats and lyrics at the C-ISB
>
> http://thaxi.hsc.usc.edu/cisb/ASCII/845.isb
>
> regards,
> Aashish
>
> Abhay Phadnis wrote:
>
> > jaise suuraj kii garmi se tapate hu_e tan ko mil jaa_e taruvar kii chhaayaa
> > vaisaa hii sukh mere man ko milaa hai mai.n jab se sharan terii aayaa, mere
> > raam
> >
> > Film: Parinay (IIRC)
> > Singers: Sharma Bandhu
> > MD: Jaidev
> > Not sure about the lyrist.
whatever my fading memory recalls:
Sheetal bane aag chandan ke jaisi, raghav krapa ho jo teri,
ujiyari poonam si ban jaaye.n raatein, jo thee.n amaavas andheri
is ladkhadaate hu_e man ko jaise kisi ne sahara dilaaya
bhataka huaa mera man tha koi mil na raha tha sahaara
-
-
btw, recently they have started showing a remix version of the song on
Cable channels.
-Rawat
Anindya
> Also, what are the hindi songs that are based on the Baul? 'Aaj sajan
> mohe ang lagalo'?
no, that'd be closer to Bangla Kirtan. Other Kirtan type songs in HFM would be:
Koi chupke se aake (Anubhav, Kanu Roy)
Mere Bindu re bindu! (PaDosan, RDB)
quite a few more...will post later.
Anindya
Surajit A. Bose
Correcting the lyrics a bit:
sa.nskR^iti ke vistR^it saagar par
sapano.n kii naukaa ke a.ndar
sukh duHkh kii laharo.n me uTh gir
bahakaa jaataa, mai.n so jaataa ...
Very nice Bihag. ALAAP is a wonderful soundtrack....
speaking of motivational songs: how 'bout
jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa, jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa
saath tere hai uuparwaalaa vahii hai teraa rakhawaalaa
jiivan se na haar jiinewaale
baat merii tuu maan are matavaale
har Gam ko tuu apanaakar
dil kaa dard chhupaakar
ba.Dhataa chal, tuu laharaakar
jiivan ke sukh dukh ko bisaraakar ...
Completely awful movie (DOOR KA RAHI) with great songs. In this one I
especially find very appealing the way the chorus is used.
-s
Anindya
> In article <f43baef6.02020...@posting.google.com>,
> andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
>
>
> > Sanskriti ke vistrit saagar par
> > Sapno.n ke nauka ke andar
> > Sukh dukh ki lehero.n ke upar
> > koi gaata ...mai.n so jaata
> > (Alaap, Jaidev, Yesudas)
>
> Correcting the lyrics a bit:
>
> sa.nskR^iti ke vistR^it saagar par
> sapano.n kii naukaa ke a.ndar
> sukh duHkh kii laharo.n me uTh gir
> bahakaa jaataa, mai.n so jaataa ...
>
> Very nice Bihag. ALAAP is a wonderful soundtrack....
yes, the genius of Jaidev, at its best.
the purest Bihag in HFM I can think of is Kanu Roy's Boliye surili
boliya (Bhupendra and? Chandrani M?) from Grihapravesh.
The best Bihag in HFM, acc. to me: Beeti na beetaayi raina (Parichay,
RDB).
In Zindagi ke safar mein (Aap ki Kasam, RDB), RDB mixes the main Behag
tune with Miya ka Malhar in the third interlude.
Fastest Bihag is probably LM's Tere pyar dildar, from Mere Mehboob
(Naushad)?
speaking of motivational songs: how 'bout
>
> jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa, jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa
> saath tere hai uuparwaalaa vahii hai teraa rakhawaalaa
> jiivan se na haar jiinewaale
> baat merii tuu maan are matavaale
> har Gam ko tuu apanaakar
> dil kaa dard chhupaakar
> ba.Dhataa chal, tuu laharaakar
> jiivan ke sukh dukh ko bisaraakar ...
>
> Completely awful movie (DOOR KA RAHI) with great songs. In this one I
> especially find very appealing the way the chorus is used.
the chorus, Surajit, is a straight lift from the Nepali folk-based
theme music of Satyajit Ray's Kanchenjunga (1962, way before DKR). It
is well-known that Kishore was an SR fan and saw all his movies with
interest. He has admitted to borrowing leitmotifs (like child on
bearded' papa's shoulder etc.) from Apur Sansar etc. for his movies
(DGKCM, DKR)
Anindya
Ashok
>
>
>While on Motivational songs here are the ones that motivate me(leaving
>out the patriotic ones)
>Aaj nahin toh kal, bikhrenge yeh baadal, o raat ke bhule hue musafir
>subah hui ghar chal (Geeta Dutt, don't know which film)
>Cheers
>Ritu
It is from a C-budget 1957 film named 'Naag Mani'. The lyrics were by
Kavi Pradeep and the tune from the great Gujarati music director Avinash Vyas.
Lovely melody, rendered beautifully, it virtually evokes pearly dawn and
morning dew.
For contrast, there is a 1950 song by the same poet that begins identically.
But there the resemblance ceases. This one is a brick of a song: an utterly
boring tune, rendered without any grace or feeling. The song is from
'Mashaal'; sung by Lata Mangeshkar and music by Sachin Deb Burman. I
suppose Pradeep persisted till the song got a worthy treatment.
Ashok
Girish Bhat
>
> How is this song motivational? Devotional, yes; but the two are not
> synonymous, or even necessarily related!
And
> > vsr...@onebox.com wrote in message news:<3C538271...@onebox.com>...
> > >
> > > Ankush "itni shakti hamein dena data" and "ae maalik tere bande hum" are
> > > the ones.
Well, the original poster has succeeded in confusing me by
demonstrating that he is aware of this song.
Be that as it may, if one is compiling a list of songs similiar
in spirit to "Itni mann ki shakti dena, datta" - as Rawat wanted,
one surely has to include this song? You WERE looking for similiar
songs weren't you?
P.S. Thanks for the info Abhay and Aashish.
Which is the canonical site for P-stats, lyrics now?
Abhay Phadnis
> In article <f43baef6.02020...@posting.google.com>,
> andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
>
>
> > Sanskriti ke vistrit saagar par
> > Sapno.n ke nauka ke andar
> > Sukh dukh ki lehero.n ke upar
> > koi gaata ...mai.n so jaata
> > (Alaap, Jaidev, Yesudas)
>
> Correcting the lyrics a bit:
>
> sa.nskR^iti ke vistR^it saagar par
> sapano.n kii naukaa ke a.ndar
> sukh duHkh kii laharo.n me uTh gir
> bahakaa jaataa, mai.n so jaataa ...
That's "bahataa" .
Warm regards,
Abhay
Sudhir Kakar
Can you please give us the name of the film, for the below listed song
Thanks
Sudhir
--------------------------
Ket...@att.net
>
>>Aaj nahin toh kal, bikhrenge yeh baadal, o raat ke bhule hue musafir
>>subah hui ghar chal (Geeta Dutt, don't know which film)
>
>>Cheers
>>Ritu
>
>
>It is from a C-budget 1957 film named 'Naag Mani'. The lyrics were by
>Kavi Pradeep and the tune from the great Gujarati music director Avinash Vyas.
>Lovely melody, rendered beautifully, it virtually evokes pearly dawn and
>morning dew.
>
>For contrast, there is a 1950 song by the same poet that begins identically.
>But there the resemblance ceases. This one is a brick of a song: an utterly
>boring tune, rendered without any grace or feeling. The song is from
>'Mashaal'; sung by Lata Mangeshkar and music by Sachin Deb Burman. I
>suppose Pradeep persisted till the song got a worthy treatment.
Aww come on! That's not fair. Lata I am sure tried hard. Maybe the composition
was above her.
:)
Methinks the Avinash Vyas tune is a folk tune. Have definitely heard it
someplace.
Ketan
Malini
<snipped >
> speaking of motivational songs: how 'bout
>
> jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa, jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa
> saath tere hai uuparwaalaa vahii hai teraa rakhawaalaa
> jiivan se na haar jiinewaale
> baat merii tuu maan are matavaale
> har Gam ko tuu apanaakar
> dil kaa dard chhupaakar
> ba.Dhataa chal, tuu laharaakar
> jiivan ke sukh dukh ko bisaraakar ...
>
> Completely awful movie (DOOR KA RAHI) with great songs. In this one I
> especially find very appealing the way the chorus is used.
Balaji & I always thought, the initial words are dhinnaa.. instead of
jhinnaa..
Here
are some Lata motivational songs which I always liked to hear in my
sad/disappointing moments :
-kahii.n to milegii, kabhii to milegii, bahaaro.N kii manzil raahii
-kitane din yu.N dil tarasenge, ik din to baadal barasenge, ai mere
pyaase dil
aaj nahii.n to kal mahakegii khwaabo.n kii mahafil
Two songs from Baharo.n ke sapane which don't at first appear to be
motivational but they are :
aajaa piyaa tohe pyaar du.N:
-hone de re jo ye zulmii hai.n path tere gaa_v.N ke
palako.N se chun Daalungii mai.n kaa.NTe tere paa_v.N ke
-apanii to jab akhiyo.N se, bah chalii dhaar sii
khil paDii vahii.n ik ha.Nsii, piyaa tere pyaar kii
mai.n jo nahii haarii sajan zaraa socho, kis liye
-jal chuke hai.n badan ka_ii, piyaa isii aag me.n
thake huye in haatho.n ko de de mere haath me
sukh meraa le le mai.n dukh tere le lu.N
chunarii sambhaal gorii :
-phisale nahii.n chal ke ham dhukh kii Dagar pe
Thokar lage ha.Ns de, ham basane vaale dil ke nagar ke
har qadam behak ke sambhal jaaye re
-kirane nahii.n apanii, to hai baa.Nho.n kii maalaa
diipak nahii.N jina me.n, un galiyo.N me hai hamase ujalaa
rain kaun sii jo na Dhal jaaye re
-Malini
>
>
>
> -s
Arunabha S Roy
> >
> >It is from a C-budget 1957 film named 'Naag Mani'. The lyrics were by
> >Kavi Pradeep and the tune from the great Gujarati music director Avinash Vyas.
> >Lovely melody, rendered beautifully, it virtually evokes pearly dawn and
> >morning dew.
> >
Ketan added :
> Methinks the Avinash Vyas tune is a folk tune. Have definitely heard it
> someplace.
Isn't the tune (of the Geeta Dutt song) practically the same as that
of "om jai jagadiish hare, swami jai jagadiish hare" ?
-Arunabha
Surajit A. Bose
andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
> the purest Bihag in HFM I can think of is Kanu Roy's Boliye surili
> boliya (Bhupendra and? Chandrani M?) from Grihapravesh.
Sulakshana Pandit. If we ever come up with an RMIM FAQ, let's put info
about the Grihapravesh songs in it; the movie crops up practically every
time somebody new starts posting to the group 8-) Just go to
groups.google.com and do a search, yaar.
> The best Bihag in HFM, acc. to me: Beeti na beetaayi raina (Parichay,
> RDB).
Does "acc. to me" qualify "Bihag" or "best"? The song is not a Bihag, it
is a mixture of Bihag and Maru-Bihag. A skeletal representation of the
opening four lines:
(ma = shuddha, Ma = tiivra)
Pa Ma Ga ma Ga, Sa Ga (Bihag)
Ma Re Ga Re, Sa Ga (Maru Bihag)
Sa ma, ma ma, MamaGa (Maru Bihag-ish, but that Ma-ma-Ga is different)
Ga Pa Ga Ni Dha Pa, Pa, ... (more Maru Bihag than Bihag)
ma Ga Re Ga ma Pa ma Ga (more Bihag than Maru Bihag)
It is a very lovely song, with vaguely Bihag and Maru Bihag phrasing,
but not as far as I can tell in any particular raag. I could be wrong,
of course, and corrections are welcome.
In article <6d82c617.02020...@posting.google.com>,
malin...@hotmail.com (Malini) wrote:
> > jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa, jhinnaa jhin\-jhin jhinnaaraa
> > saath tere hai uuparwaalaa vahii hai teraa rakhawaalaa
> Balaji & I always thought, the initial words are dhinnaa.. instead of
> jhinnaa..
As Ashok and Hrishi used to say: "mebbe."
> chunarii sambhaal gorii :
> -phisale nahii.n chal ke ham dhukh kii Dagar pe
> Thokar lage ha.Ns de, ham basane vaale dil ke nagar ke
> har qadam behak ke sambhal jaaye re
> -kirane nahii.n apanii, to hai baa.Nho.n kii maalaa
> diipak nahii.N jina me.n, un galiyo.N me hai hamase ujalaa
> rain kaun sii jo na Dhal jaaye re
And you left out the third verse, equally inspiring:
pal chhin piyaa pal chhin a.Nkhiyo.n kaa a.Ndheraa
rainaa nahii.n apanii par apanaa hogaa kal kaa saveraa
rain kaun sii jo na Dhal jaaye re
I think the last line of the second verse you've quoted is:
dhuul hii se chaa.Nd nikal aaye re
but I am not sure. I am quite sure that the line you have quoted is
actually at the end of the third stanza.
-s
vsr...@onebox.com
"itni shakti hamein dena" is a prayer, no doubt about it.
but its stanza go beyond just praying a god for peace of mind or
salvation, and fills the heart to to things that are right. That
motivational aspect I was highlighting.
btw, Abhay mentioned that "jaise wuraj ki garmi" is a devotional song
and not exactly motivational. I am sure all of us, and abhay also, think
that that is a lovely, soothing song. Just technically. It calms us
down, and does not charges us up.
the following are "PURE" motivational:
- ruk jaana nahi.n, tu kahi.n haar ke
kaa.nto.n pe chal ke mile.nge saaye bahaar ke - imtehaan
- kabhi to milegi, kahi.n to milegi
bahaaro.n ki manzil raahee - aarti
-Rawat
urzung
vsr...@onebox.com wrote:
>
> Thinking of tufaan and diya song "nirbal se ladaaee balwaan ki", I was
> thinking of other motivational songs.
>
> There is quite a difference between outright prayers in which a higher
> being is praised. They also bring calm.
>
> But motivational songs are actually something different as far as I
> think. they take us away from destructive tensions and enthuse us to do
> good things.
>
> Thus om jai jagdish hare, or hanuman chalisa are not exactly
> motivational songs I am looking for.
>
> Ankush "itni shakti hamein dena data" and "ae maalik tere bande hum" are
> the ones.
>
> more please?
>
> -Rawat
himmat ko mat haar musaafir, himmat ko mat haar/40s DIL
duniyaa ke logo lo himmat ke kaam, sab kii fikar karnevaalaa hai raam
/Mashal/Manna Dey
diivaane dil kyo.n rotaa hai,
duniyaa me.n dukh bhii hota,
duniyaa me.n sukh bhii hota,
tuu kyo.n itanaa ghabraataa hai
A non-film Hemant's song.Lyrics available in ISB.
Urzung Khan
Malini
> And you left out the third verse, equally inspiring:
>
> pal chhin piyaa pal chhin a.Nkhiyo.n kaa a.Ndheraa
> rainaa nahii.n apanii par apanaa hogaa kal kaa saveraa
> rain kaun sii jo na Dhal jaaye re
>
> I think the last line of the second verse you've quoted is:
>
> dhuul hii se chaa.Nd nikal aaye re
>
> but I am not sure. I am quite sure that the line you have quoted is
> actually at the end of the third stanza.
>
> -s
Thanks for reminding the third stanza. You are right about the last
lines being switched. However, the last line of second stanza is not
right. C ISB say :
bhuul hii se chaa.Ndanii khil jaae re
Actually it is :
dhuul hii se chaa.Ndanii khil jaae re (principal of difraction applied
here :))
thanks,
Malini
Pradeep Dubey
How about, Salil Da's:
mere man bhula bhula kaahe dole (biraj bahu, prem dhawan)
Pradeep
> Anindya
Pradeep Dubey
> In article <f43baef6.02020...@posting.google.com>,
> andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
>
>
> > Sanskriti ke vistrit saagar par
> > Sapno.n ke nauka ke andar
> > Sukh dukh ki lehero.n ke upar
> > koi gaata ...mai.n so jaata
> > (Alaap, Jaidev, Yesudas)
>
> Correcting the lyrics a bit:
>
> sa.nskR^iti ke vistR^it saagar par
Correcting the lyrics further a bit:
sa.nsR^iti ke vistR^it saagar par
sansriti means 'sansaar/world'; different meaning from the word: sanskriti.
This may be the only HFM song with this word in it!
> sapano.n kii naukaa ke a.ndar
> sukh duHkh kii laharo.n me uTh gir
> bahakaa jaataa, mai.n so jaataa ...
>
bahataa ...
Pradeep
SKalra902
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Sudhir
> so it also qualifies for "long songs", as does another Lata
> number from the early 60's,
>
>> "Subah hotii hai, shaam hotii hai, zindagii yu.Nhii tamaam hotii hai..".
> How aptly did the poet describe the present day life!
Aplam Chaplam, 1961. MD Chitragupta, Lyricist Prem Dhawan.
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Ritu
It is indeed 'Om jai jagdish hare'. A smart idea for a song like this.
It's simple but the tune makes an impact because of it's association
with an aarti so popular.
Some how simple tunes IMO make more impact at most times. Esp when it
comes to motivational songs and bhajans.
An example that comes to my mind are the bhajans rendered by DV
Paluskar. They make for some really good listening but somehow more as
nice vocal pieces in isolation than as bhajans. The bhakti bhav is
more forthcoming in the simpler renditions of the same bhajns by say
Mukesh or Lata.
-Ritu
>
> -Arunabha
Vijay Kumar K
> "Abhay Phadnis" <apha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<a3r166$1a37sn$1...@ID-75300.news.dfncis.de>...
> >
> Which is the canonical site for P-stats, lyrics now?
The RMIM site has disappeared with Satish S. I had hoped Prince has a
backup or could somehow resurrect the site, but...
For the ISB, you could do worse than turn to
http://homepage.mac.com/itrans
Mirror sites are maintained by Nita (ghazalarchive.com) & Aashish
Vijay
Ritu
> > mohe ang lagalo'?
>
> no, that'd be closer to Bangla Kirtan. Other Kirtan type songs in HFM would be:
>
> Koi chupke se aake (Anubhav, Kanu Roy)
> Mere Bindu re bindu! (PaDosan, RDB)
Really.. they both seem so unlikely. Esp koi chupke se aake. Isn't the
Kirtan supposed to have a tempo buildup like 'Aaj sajan mohe'. Or is
that just one type of kirtan. Now that we are at it. What is the
identifying characteristic of a keertan?
Also, I came across this article in Rediff that said 'aan milo shyam
sanware' and 'Sajan ko ho gayi gori' from SDB's Devdas are based on
the baul. Is that true? I'm very curious to know how the baul sounds.
Thanks for the response
Ritu
Anindya
> In article <f43baef6.0202...@posting.google.com>,
> andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
>
> > the purest Bihag in HFM I can think of is Kanu Roy's Boliye surili
> > boliya (Bhupendra and? Chandrani M?) from Grihapravesh.
>
> Sulakshana Pandit. If we ever come up with an RMIM FAQ, let's put info
> about the Grihapravesh songs in it; the movie crops up practically every
> time somebody new starts posting to the group 8-) Just go to
> groups.google.com and do a search, yaar.
oh..profuse apologies, in that case. Quite intrigued to know that most
newbies think of Kanu Roy and Behag as entry-level posts. :)
The best Bihag in HFM, acc. to me: Beeti na beetaayi raina (Parichay,
> > RDB).
>
> Does "acc. to me" qualify "Bihag" or "best"? The song is not a Bihag, it
> is a mixture of Bihag and Maru-Bihag.
true. But don't most HFM songs (especially the RDB compostions, and
excluding compositions of puritans like, say, Vasant Desai) fall under
that category - mixture of raagas? RDB has managed to mix raagas as
diverse as (yeah yeah, I know it's been discussed before, but firbhi,
misaal ke taur se) Khamaj and Kalavati (Kuchh to log kahenge), or
Shankara and Miya ka mlahar (Ae re pavan).
Talking of RDB's classical numbers, would the purest by Bheeni Bheeni
bhor (Miya ke tori)- DIl Parosi Hai, one with least diversions, that
is?
Now, a blasphemous question, which is more difficult to compose - a
seamless blend of raagas, which cleverly disguises its classical roots
and becomes an eminently hummable, yet all-time classic, song,or an
out-and-out classical composition that exactly follows the prescribed
note-patterns in the arohan and abrohan. Is Kuchch to log kahenge more
difficult to compose than Swagatam, shubh swagatam?
Anindya
Anindya
talking of Salil, in Kala Paththar (MD: Rajesh Roshan, B/g music:
Salil), there's a sequence where a female voice hums a Kirtanish tune
in the background. Absolute gem, not there in the record, of course.
Despite RR's semi-Bong lineage, and affinity for Bong tunes (amply
depicted through his Tagore lifts), I feel that this couldn't have
been the handiwork of anyone but Salil.
also, if this thread HASN'T been done before, then a couple of
additions to the Baul/Kirtan genre songs in HFM:
1.Gaao.n mere man (Yesudas). Beautiful composition from Apne Paraye by
Bappi (!)
2.Nanha sa panchhi re tu - Kishore (Toote Khilone). Lifted by BL,as we
all know, from a Tagore composition, which itself was a lift from a
Baul song!
Anindya
Surajit A. Bose
> oh..profuse apologies, in that case. Quite intrigued to know that most
> newbies think of Kanu Roy and Behag as entry-level posts. :)
No apologies needed, at least the mention of Kanu Roy shows that the
newbie in question has good taste.
Coincidentally, I've had another Bong RMIMer (no newbie, he, although
his name is suspiciously similar to "Andy Roy"'s) e-mail me of late
slavering o'er a particular Sulakshana-Kanu Roy song from SUBAH which,
too, gets discussed unfailingly every year 8-) what's going on, dudes,
come late to da party?
> true. But don't most HFM songs (especially the RDB compostions, and
> excluding compositions of puritans like, say, Vasant Desai)
Aaaaaaargh! No, no, you don't mean Vasant Desai; you ought to identify
deeply with Vasant Desai, coz he is beyond criticism, as you yourself,
"Andy", claim to be. The MD you really mean is Naushad. Admit it,
"Andy", and be forgiven.
> Now, a blasphemous question, which is more difficult to compose - a
> seamless blend of raagas, which cleverly disguises its classical roots
> and becomes an eminently hummable, yet all-time classic, song,or an
> out-and-out classical composition that exactly follows the prescribed
> note-patterns in the arohan and abrohan. Is Kuchch to log kahenge more
> difficult to compose than Swagatam, shubh swagatam?
False dichotomy. The whole point of classical music is to show that the
rigid rules are not constraints, but enablers; not limits to your
inspiration, but the springboard for it. Stay within very narrowly
defined parameters, yet create boundless music. Exactly following the
note patterns is only half the point. The more important half is
creating something new without deviating from those patterns.
Besides, classical music is not meant to be hummable. Each performance
of classical music is supposed to be unique and unrepeatable. Kids like
you who grew up listening to classical music on tapes and CDs (I'm
guessing you're in your early 20s) forget that classical music is a
performative art, not a reified set of pretty sounds captured in a
studio. By that standard, neither the RDB Amar Prem song nor the Ravi
Shankar Asiad ditty qualify as classical music.
But by any standard, the latter is a better composition. How easy or how
difficult it was to compose is beside the point. I have no doubt Naushad
had great, great difficulty in composing, oh, say "o duniyaa ke
rakhavaale." It still remains a lousy song, which is forgivable, and a
lousy Malkauns, which is not.
In other words, "Andy", your question is not so much blasphemous as
misguided. Its various assumptions need radical reevaluation....
-s
PS isn't it fun to rag on newbies? 8-) First time I've done it, too.
Arunabha S Roy
> his name is suspiciously similar to "Andy Roy"'s) e-mail me of late
> slavering o'er a particular Sulakshana-Kanu Roy song from SUBAH which,
> too, gets discussed unfailingly every year 8-) what's going on, dudes,
> come late to da party?
Come on, Surajit ! In spite of its having been repeatedly discussed,
AND the fact that you yourself taped the song for me, you write SUBAH
instead of SPARSH ??
And later :
> But by any standard, the latter is a better composition. How easy or how
> difficult it was to compose is beside the point. I have no doubt Naushad
> had great, great difficulty in composing, oh, say "o duniyaa ke
> rakhavaale." It still remains a lousy song, which is forgivable, and a
> lousy Malkauns, which is not.
Lousy Malkauns because it isn't a Malkauns at all, perhaps ?:)
Presumably you mean either Darbari or are referring to "man ta.Dapat
hari darshan ko aaj" What's with the typofest, Surajit ? :-P
- Arunabha
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> In article <f43baef6.02020...@posting.google.com>,
>
> difficult it was to compose is beside the point. I have no doubt Naushad
> had great, great difficulty in composing, oh, say "o duniyaa ke
> rakhavaale." It still remains a lousy song, which is forgivable, and a
> lousy Malkauns, which is not.
Yep, it's a pretty bad Malkauns, especially since it was intended to
be Darbari. Surajit, I think you've been at the party too long, you
need a designated driver to take you home. :-)
And I firmly believe that if "O Duniya Ke Rakhwale" was not so
popular, it would not have gotten as many brickbats as it has on
RMIM...
Sanjeev
Ket...@att.net
>Besides, classical music is not meant to be hummable. Each performance
>of classical music is supposed to be unique and unrepeatable. Kids like
>you who grew up listening to classical music on tapes and CDs (I'm
>guessing you're in your early 20s) forget that classical music is a
I have heard of people guessing the year of a movie from Lata's voice. However I
am curious to know how you could figure out Anindya's age from his few posts?
>But by any standard, the latter is a better composition. How easy or how
>difficult it was to compose is beside the point. I have no doubt Naushad
>had great, great difficulty in composing, oh, say "o duniyaa ke
>rakhavaale." It still remains a lousy song, which is forgivable, and a
>lousy Malkauns, which is not.
Malkauns! Darbari! Who cares! Da bose losing it all in being ver-Bose methinks!
:)
Ketan
Ket...@att.net
says...
>And I firmly believe that if "O Duniya Ke Rakhwale" was not so
>popular, it would not have gotten as many brickbats as it has on
>RMIM...
It probably is receiving brickbats only because people like to think it is
"popular". Something like if you repeat a lie a hundred times, people might
begin to think it is the truth.
Ketan
>Sanjeev
Ket...@att.net
rc0...@rediffmail.com says...
>Also, I came across this article in Rediff that said 'aan milo shyam
>sanware' and 'Sajan ko ho gayi gori' from SDB's Devdas are based on
>the baul. Is that true? I'm very curious to know how the baul sounds.
"Babul ki duwayen leti jaa" by Rafi. Best example of ba(w)l I have ever heard!
Ok, so it's a PJ! It's also not an untrue statement!
Ketan
Surajit A. Bose
asr...@yahoo.com (Arunabha S Roy) wrote:
> Come on, Surajit ! In spite of its having been repeatedly discussed,
> AND the fact that you yourself taped the song for me, you write SUBAH
> instead of SPARSH ??
>
> And later :
> Lousy Malkauns because it isn't a Malkauns at all, perhaps ?:)
> Presumably you mean either Darbari or are referring to "man ta.Dapat
> hari darshan ko aaj" What's with the typofest, Surajit ? :-P
The perils of posting at 4:00 am after being up 22 hours! Sackcloth and
ashes. I crawl, indeed I crawl. I indeed meant "Sparsh" and "man tarapat
harii darashan ko aaj".
But as far as my main point goes re: Naushad vs. Vasant Desai, "o
duniyaa ke rakhawaale" and Darbari would have been an apt example. I'm
told that Rafi's throat bled when he sang this song; I can well believe
it, coz my ears bleed when I hear it.
And at any rate, Arunabha, it got you out of lurk mode, so my typofest
served some purpose.
In article <a43qp...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ket...@att.net wrote:
> I have heard of people guessing the year of a movie from Lata's voice.
> However I am curious to know how you could figure out Anindya's
> age from his few posts?
In the same way that I figured out your IQ from your posts, Ketan.
In article <5ed58637.02020...@posting.google.com>,
sanj...@aol.com (Sanjeev Ramabhadran) wrote:
> Surajit, I think you've been at the party too long, you
> need a designated driver to take you home. :-)
What a nice, gentle, caring, forgiving pair of fora we are, what? I get
beaten up on RMIM for misfiring synapses, on RMIC for stating that
there's no such thing as an unqualified "Raag Malhaar"; naturally,
Sanjeev dearest, I'm turning to my buddy Jack (hic) Daniels for support,
understanding, company, and sympathy.
Sob. Shouldn't there be a Talat Mehmood song playing in the background
somewhere right around now?
-s
(who is himself always most nice, gentle, caring, and forgiving.)
Ket...@att.net
>In article <a43qp...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ket...@att.net wrote:
>
>> I have heard of people guessing the year of a movie from Lata's voice.
>> However I am curious to know how you could figure out Anindya's
>> age from his few posts?
>
>In the same way that I figured out your IQ from your posts, Ketan.
Touchy are we? It was a straightforward question. Answer it if you can.
Otherwise so far your comments in this thread have been like one of those
"smart" bombs. Seldom on the mark and served up with a vague purpose.
Ketan
SKalra902
...snipped...
>
>Sob. Shouldn't there be a Talat Mehmood song playing in the background
>somewhere right around now?
And the most apt one that comes to my mind is "Hum dard ke maaro.n
kaa itnaa hii fasaanaa hai, piine ko 'Jack Daniels', dil gum kaa nishaanaa
hai..".
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Surajit A. Bose
>
> Touchy are we? It was a straightforward question. Answer it if you can.
> Otherwise so far your comments in this thread have been like one of those
> "smart" bombs. Seldom on the mark and served up with a vague purpose.
>
Ah, but they win the wars, Ketan, they win the wars. If my posts are
smart bombs, consider yourself collateral damage.
-s
Balaji Murthy
> -s
>
> (who is himself always most nice, gentle, caring, and forgiving.)
You forgot 'humble'.
- Balaji
Ket...@att.net
>
>In article <a445p...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ket...@att.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Touchy are we? It was a straightforward question. Answer it if you can.
>> Otherwise so far your comments in this thread have been like one of those
>> "smart" bombs. Seldom on the mark and served up with a vague purpose.
>>
>
>Ah, but they win the wars, Ketan, they win the wars. If my posts are
They also bring into question the intelligence of those manufacturing and
launching those "smart" bombs.
>smart bombs, consider yourself collateral damage.
No laddie, consider YOUR credibility damaged.
Ketan
PS : BTW your statement : "isn't it fun to rag on newbies? 8-)" is very true. It
IS fun as I am finding out(relative to me, you are a newbie on RMIM). Pity you
can't take a dose of your own medicine as well as you dish it out. :(
Surajit A. Bose
"Balaji Murthy" <bmu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > -s
> >
> > (who is himself always most nice, gentle, caring, and forgiving.)
>
> You forgot 'humble'.
So I did!
-s
Anindya
> In article <f43baef6.02020...@posting.google.com>,
> andy...@hotmail.com (Anindya) wrote:
>
>
> > oh..profuse apologies, in that case. Quite intrigued to know that most
> > newbies think of Kanu Roy and Behag as entry-level posts. :)
>
> No apologies needed, at least the mention of Kanu Roy shows that the
> newbie in question has good taste.
>
oh, thanks "sbose", thank you Sir!!!!!
just a thought. Does "a newbie on RMIM" necessarily have to mean
"newbie on HFM" too! maybe. One learns so many things about life on
this forum everday. Amazing.
(also, I shudder to think of the plight of "newbies" BaDe Ghulam Ali
Khan and Kishori Amonkar, for instance, when they sang their first
Hindi songs in Mughal-e-Azam and Geet Gaaya Pattharon Ne,
respectively. What terrible ragging they must have been subjected to,
that day, by the veterans in the studio!)
> Coincidentally, I've had another Bong RMIMer (no newbie, he, although
> his name is suspiciously similar to "Andy Roy"'s) e-mail me of late
> slavering o'er a particular Sulakshana-Kanu Roy song from SUBAH which,
> too, gets discussed unfailingly every year 8-) what's going on, dudes,
> come late to da party?
you mean, there's another group called rec.music.indian.misc.bong?
WOW. I wanna be a member, I wanna be a member!!
(also, WAITING for the day when Lata Mangeshkar, Asha B and Manna Dey
will log in to RMIM with their debut posts, so that I, as a "senior"
RMIM-er, can greet them, too, with this opening post" "what's going
on, dudes (babes?, in the case of LM and AB, for want of any other
appropriate word), come late to da party?)
true. But don't most HFM songs (especially the RDB compostions, and
> > excluding compositions of puritans like, say, Vasant Desai)
>
> Aaaaaaargh! No, no, you don't mean Vasant Desai; you ought to identify
> deeply with Vasant Desai, coz he is beyond criticism, as you yourself,
> "Andy", claim to be. The MD you really mean is Naushad. Admit it,
> "Andy", and be forgiven.
yeah, I mean Naushad. But my question was slightly different, which I
will explain again, below. (btw, is this book "Vasant Desai for
dummies" available freely in bookstores?)
ALso, correction, I did not claim anything, incidentally. Someone
asked me the meaning of my name, which I explained, not forgetting to
add that it was a big misnomer (seemed to have "missed" that part of
the post, "sbose")
> Besides, classical music is not meant to be hummable.
depends on who's humming it, I suppose - Bhimsen Joshi or Kumar Sanu
:)
Each performance
> of classical music is supposed to be unique and unrepeatable. Kids like
> you who grew up listening to classical music on tapes and CDs (I'm
> guessing you're in your early 20s)
WOW. Amazing deduction. But I wonder why you couldn't figure out about
the mole under my left eye? From the way I composed my Behag post,
that should have been elementary, no?
forget that classical music is a
> performative art, not a reified set of pretty sounds captured in a
> studio. By that standard, neither the RDB Amar Prem song nor the Ravi
> Shankar Asiad ditty qualify as classical music.
Yep, now to re-phrase my earlier question. When one talks of
Raag-BASED songs in HFM, and not pure classical renditions (for which
one would go to a classical concert, instead of re-running Amar Prem
on his DVD/VCD/VHS)- shouldn't the criteria be how GOOD the tune is,
rather than how CLOSELY the song follows the Raag - by the latter
logic, a Naushad (yes, that's whom I meant, believe me!) would stand
out as a better composer than, say, RDB (let's leave Ravi Shankar out
of this. My mistake. Let's compare HFM MDs).
Therefore, my question on the degree of difficulty. What I meant,
actually, was, which would you consider to be a better compostion? The
Ravi Shankar Kalavati was the wrong example, I admit. Let's take "O
duniyake", for instance (thrilled to know my views on Naushad and O
duniya ke match with those of veterans).
I have no doubt Naushad
> had great, great difficulty in composing, oh, say "o duniyaa ke
> rakhavaale." It still remains a lousy song, which is forgivable, and a
> lousy Malkauns, which is not.
true...so lousy that it almost sounds like a Darbari.
In other words, "Andy", your question is not so much blasphemous as
> misguided. Its various assumptions need radical reevaluation....
I know :( that's why I joined this forum, to improve my musical tastes
and analytical abilities. I've already burnt my "Songs from David
Dhawan" cassette and I listen to my "Best of Anu Malik" CD only once a
day, these days.
> PS isn't it fun to rag on newbies?
I wish you luck in your endeavour, "sbose".
"Andy"
(still on probation)
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
??
Merits/demerits of the song aside, I actually think this song is quite
popular, particularly with folks listening to stuff from that era who
haven't been exposed to RMIM.
Sanjeev
ajit
Mr Surajit:
Oh no - thats not the first time at all. Maybe its more than the
second time you have done it, I dont know :-)
Anindya
> "Babul ki duwayen leti jaa" by Rafi. Best example of ba(w)l I have ever heard!
>
> Ok, so it's a PJ! It's also not an untrue statement!
>
and the after-effect of the song:
Dabur ki dawayen leti jaa!
Anindya
Ket...@att.net
says...
I wasn't criticizing the song. I am not even sure if this song was popular back
when it was released over other songs from the movie. All I do know is, I hardly
saw this song on TV in Chayageet/Chitrahaar. I heard/saw "Man tarpat" and "Tu
ganga ki mauj" many many times more than "O duniya ke rakhwale. That is one
aspect in which I questioned the popularity of this song based on my personal
experience.
Another reason was at some point this rumour of Rafi bleeding while singing this
song seems to have been planted, nurtured and taken hold, much like "Lata and
her 25K songs". After this point, you see many many singers--Shabbir Kumar, Sonu
Nigam, and every Tom/Dick/Harry etc all trying their hand on it, almost as if
they needed to prove that since this song was tough, they too could sing it. Now
that to me seems as if the song's popularity was manufactured thru a rumour.
Ketan
Ritu
> In article <8777cccd.02020...@posting.google.com>,
> rc0...@rediffmail.com says...
>
> >Also, I came across this article in Rediff that said 'aan milo shyam
> >sanware' and 'Sajan ko ho gayi gori' from SDB's Devdas are based on
> >the baul. Is that true? I'm very curious to know how the baul sounds.
>
> "Babul ki duwayen leti jaa" by Rafi. Best example of ba(w)l I have ever heard!
Ketan! This is the second time you've cracked the same PJ on the same
subject!!! How about some creativity?
>
> Ok, so it's a PJ! It's also not an untrue statement!
You should have been a lawyer! :-)
Hey Anindya, what happened to my answer? Maybe I should get you some
'Dabur ki dawayen' so that you remember :-)! To rephrase. Where the 2
Geeta-Manna duets in Devdas based on the Baul(bawl, bowel whatever
sounds interesting enough).
Like Ketan, this is the second time I've asked this question. On a
pure Baul example vis-a-vis Hindi film music. Rise and shine the bongs
of the RMIM world or else very soon I'm going to Ba(w)ul !
In anticipation,
Bawlingly yours
Ritu
>
>
> Ketan
Srinivas Ganti
>Anindya <andy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f43baef6.02021...@posting.google.com...
> you mean, there's another group called rec.music.indian.misc.bong?
> WOW. I wanna be a member, I wanna be a member!!
The prerequsites needed are AB 202, HK 247, SDB 213, SC 234 offerred
by reputed institutions in California, Illinois and Nebraska:)
Register soon and avoid dissapointment.
sg.
Sudhir Kakar
Motivational Songs Dhoondhane Wale Bhai Saheb:
Aap ki seva mein kuchh Aur Geet Hazir Hain:
1 WARIS / Kabhi Hai Gham Kabhi Khushiyan Yehi To Zindgani Hai / Talat
Mehmood / Qamar Jalalabadi / Anil Biswas
2 JASOOS / Jeevan Hai Madhuban, Tu Is Mein Phool Kila / Talat Mehmood /
Indivar / Anil Biswas
3 SHAHZADA / Gam Na Kar Khushi Ka Daur Aayega / alat Mehmood /
Tanvir Naqvi / Hansraj Behl
4 BHAI SAHEB / Oonchhi Niichhi x 2 Dagar Jeevan Ki, Chalna Sambhal Ki
Pyare .... Manzil To Hai Badi Door / C.H. Atma + Chorus / Shailendra /
Ninu Mazumdar
All these songs are available on Singer's Compilation albums
Sudhir
Surajit A. Bose
ajit...@hotmail.com (ajit) wrote:
No, no, Mr Rajwade, I flamed you off-list. I didn't rag you on it. 8-)
-s
Ket...@att.net
rc0...@rediffmail.com says...
>
>Ket...@att.net wrote in message news:<a43r3...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>> In article <8777cccd.02020...@posting.google.com>,
>> rc0...@rediffmail.com says...
>>
>> >Also, I came across this article in Rediff that said 'aan milo shyam
>> >sanware' and 'Sajan ko ho gayi gori' from SDB's Devdas are based on
>> >the baul. Is that true? I'm very curious to know how the baul sounds.
>>
>>"Babul ki duwayen leti jaa" by Rafi. Best example of ba(w)l I have ever heard!
>
>Ketan! This is the second time you've cracked the same PJ on the same
>subject!!! How about some creativity?
All part of a larger game plan madam. Repeat it enough times that Rafi wails and
bawls and even the most hardcore Rafian will start accepting that he could
partner Govinda as Lousy singer # 1.
:)
Ketan
ajit
> >
> > Oh no - thats not the first time at all. Maybe its more than the
> > second time you have done it, I dont know :-)
>
> No, no, Mr Rajwade, I flamed you off-list. I didn't rag you on it. 8-)
>
> -s
Yep - i quite forgot. I had thought u had posted it out there as well.
BTW - stop calling me by my surname, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez :-)
My first name is much shorter.
Anindya
> 'Dabur ki dawayen' so that you remember :-)! To rephrase. Where the 2
> Geeta-Manna duets in Devdas based on the Baul(bawl, bowel whatever
> sounds interesting enough).
(bawl baby bawl...mere sang bawl!!)
oh...I thought that the question wass intended for the veteran Bong
RMIM-ers (R.M.I.M.V.B?), but since no one else has come forward yet,
here's a crude, amateurish, non-technical interpretation (best I could
do, since I don't really dig either Baul or Keertan :)):
Genre-wise, Baul and Keertan are quite different. Keertan is
essentially devotional, and speaks of the virtues of Krishna-worship.
Vaishnavites believed that the Stairway to Heaven (not that they were
Led Zepp fans, but metaphorically) was through song and dance and by
whiling away your day, chanting "Krishna Krishna bolo Krishna"(which
is quite a non-Keertan,actually, from the L-P stable!).
Baul, a folk music form, on the other hand is essentially
philosophical, with metaphors ranging from crude to bizarre to
ridiculous ("love is like an ant in a jar of molasses, once you are
stuck, you are stuck!").
Both, AFAIK, have minimum orchestrations, relying more on vocals, to
spread the message (yes, those were the pre-ARR days!). Keertan had
heavy khol and kawrtal as back-ups (what are the Hindustani
nomenclatures?), while Bauls had their ektara and duggi.
Almost each region (roughly coinciding with the administrative
boundaries...which makes me feel that the district boundaries might
have been originally drawn up by a music-loving beaurocrat) of Bengal
had its own characteristic folk music form, and while, among them
Bhatiyali (boatman's song) probably finds the maximum usage in HFM (by
Bong MDs, mostly...naturally!), others like Baul, Keertan and Jhumur
(an intoxicating, rhythm-driven music of the Santhals, if I'm not
mistaken). RDB has incorporated Jhumur, in few of his compositions -
Hai re hai tera ghungta (Dhongee), Le lo re babu tonic peelo na (Kehte
hai mujhko Raaja).
SDB was probably the first HFM MD to mass-export Bengali folk-styles
(mostly Bhatiyali) into HFM. Several times, the influence is not
direct and visible, but covert - incorporating vocal nuances, or a
certain type of instrumentation, for instance. Sometimes, I feel, he
made the singers sing the songs in a particular way in order to evoke
that feeling.
For instance, coming to your Devdas example, the original of Aan milo
- Rongeela rongeela rongeela re (nothing to do with Prem Pujari's
Rangeela re, of course, as we all know) sung by SDB himself, does not
sound like a Baul song at all, IMHO. However, in the HFM version, we
see a Baul couple mouthing this song, with ektaras in hand - thereby
giving it the Baul touch.
OTOH, the landmark SDB song - Baaje taakdum taak dum baaje (where he
talks of going back to his roots - his Baul and Bhatiyali days, how
they haunt him, and how he misses all that etc.) sounds quite Baulish,
whereas the Hindi avatar - Bolo kya humko dogey (Chhupa Rustam - not
and exact conversion, but quite similar in tune) doesn't.
I don't have a fix on the MOST Baulish HFM song, but the MOST
Keertanish one would, I think, definitely be Aaj sajan mohe ang lagaa
lo (Pyaasa).
Did I make sense? Doubt it.
Anindya
SKalra902
"Zindagii sehraa bhii hai aur zindagii gulshan bhii hai, pyaar me.n kho jaaoge
to, zindagii madhuban bhii hai..".
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
vsr...@onebox.com
ek a.Ndheraa laakh sitaare - Aakhir kyon
Kahe ko roye, chahe jo hoye - Aardhana
kahii.n to milegii, kabhii to milegii, bahaaro.N kii manzil raahii -
aarti
itni shakti hamein dena data - Ankush
kahan tak yeh man ko andhere chalenge - Baaton Baaton mein
aajaa piyaa tohe pyaar du.N - Baharo.n ke sapane
chunarii sambhaal gorii - Baharo.n ke sapane
Teri Duniya me NahiN Koi hamara apana, Be saharoN ke liye de de sahara
apna - old Baarood
(Was that the name of the film, or was it "barood" that was old)
Oonchhi Niichhi x 2 Dagar Jeevan Ki, Chalna Sambhal Ki Pyare ....
Manzil To Hai Badi Door - BHAI SAHEB
Asha ki jyot jala jaa - DEV KANYA
himmat ko mat haar musaafir, himmat ko mat haar - DIL
ae maalik tere bande hum - do aankhen barah haath
Rahi tu mat ruk jaana - Door gagan ki chaon mein
Aa chal ke tujhe mein leke chalun - Door gagan ki chaon mein
jiivan se na haar jiinewaale, baat merii tuu maan are matavaale
har Gam ko tuu apanaakar, dil kaa dard chhupaakar, ba.Dhataa chal, tuu
laharaakar
jiivan ke sukh dukh ko bisaraakar ... - DOOR KA RAHI
"jahaa.N me.n aisaa kaun hai ki jisko gham milaa nahii.n" - Hum Dono
ruk jaana nahin, tu kahin haar ke - imtehaan
Aaj Gham Kal Khushi, Hai Yehi Zindagi Sun Le Pyare, Aadmi Woh Jo Himmat
Na Haare - JAWAB
Jeevan Hai Madhuban, Tu Is Mein Phool Kila - JASOOS
duniyaa ke logo lo himmat ke kaam, sab kii fikar karnevaalaa hai raam -
Mashal
kitane din yu.N dil tarasenge, ik din to baadal barasenge, ai mere
pyaase dil
aaj nahii.n to kal mahakegii khwaabo.n kii mahafil - naya zamaana
jaise suuraj kii garmi se tapate hu_e tan ko mil jaa_e taruvar kii
chhaayaa
vaisaa hii sukh mere man ko milaa hai mai.n jab se sharan terii aayaa,
mere raam - Parinay
Taakat watan ke hum se hai - Prem Pujari
Door hai kinara, gahree nadee ki dhara, tooti teri naiyaa, maajhi, khete
jaao re, o majhi re - Saudagar
Gam Na Kar Khushi Ka Daur Aayega - SHAHZADA
Raat Bhar Ka Hai Mehman Andhera - SONE KI CHIDYA
nirbal se ladaaee balwaan ki - tufaan and diya
Kabhi Hai Gham Kabhi Khushiyan Yehi To Zindgani Hai - WARIS
Jiivan naiyya, behtii jaaye.., hayii ho hayii ho.. - Zalzala
diivaane dil kyo.n rotaa hai, duniyaa me.n dukh bhii hota, duniyaa me.n
sukh bhii hota, tuu kyo.n itanaa ghabraataa hai - A non-film Hemant's
song.
------------------------ some details are required of the following:-
( Manna Dey under the baton of Pt.Gobindram from RUPA ('46) ) - song not
mentioned.
Aaj nahin toh kal, bikhrenge yeh baadal, o raat ke bhule hue musafir
subah hui ghar chal (Geeta Dutt, don't know which film)
Tadbeer se bigdi hui taqdeer bana le - film?
chhal chhal bahati jeevan dhara, maajhi naiyya dhoondhe kinara, kisi na
kisi ki khoj mein hai, ye jag saara - film?
nadiya chale, chale re dhara, chanda chale, chale re tara, tujhko chalna
hoga - film?
--------------------------------------
Any more?
-Rawat
Ket...@att.net
andy...@hotmail.com says...
>OTOH, the landmark SDB song - Baaje taakdum taak dum baaje (where he
>talks of going back to his roots - his Baul and Bhatiyali days, how
>they haunt him, and how he misses all that etc.) sounds quite Baulish,
>whereas the Hindi avatar - Bolo kya humko dogey (Chhupa Rustam - not
>and exact conversion, but quite similar in tune) doesn't.
There is another 'avtar' of the above mentioned SDB song. The lyrics are quite
similar and it is found in "Bambai ka Babu" sung by Manna Dey. So if the
original has some Baul features, so would the latter, methinks.
Ketan
Sudhir Kakar
> ( Manna Dey under the baton of Pt.Gobindram from RUPA ('46) ) - song not
> mentioned.
>
> Aaj nahin toh kal, bikhrenge yeh baadal, o raat ke bhule hue musafir
> subah hui ghar chal (Geeta Dutt, don't know which film)
Film: NAGMANI
>
> Tadbeer se bigdi hui taqdeer bana le - film?
Film: BAAZI
>
> chhal chhal bahati jeevan dhara, maajhi naiyya dhoondhe kinara, kisi na
> kisi ki khoj mein hai, ye jag saara - film?
>
> nadiya chale, chale re dhara, chanda chale, chale re tara, tujhko chalna
> hoga - film?
Film: SAFAR
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Any more?
Yes, An extremely good song:
DUSHMAN / Karoon Kya Aas Niras Bhai / K L Saigal - staring from
second paragraph:
Jab Na Kisi Ne Raah Suchhai ...
concluding to: Kaho Na Aas Niras Bhai x 2
Sudhir
Shalini Razdan
Raaton ke saaye ghaane - Lata/Anadata/Yogesh/Salil C.
And a staple at a school I went to: Likho padoge to aage badoge. I believe
the singers are Lata-Rafi. No clue on the other P-stats.
Shalini
<vsr...@onebox.com> wrote in message news:3C6938D5...@onebox.com...
SKalra902
>Two more songs that I don't see on the list:
>
>Raaton ke saaye ghaane - Lata/Anadata/Yogesh/Salil C.
What a song! The mere mention of it makes me want to hear it. Soon after
posting this. :)
>
>And a staple at a school I went to: Likho padoge to aage badoge. I believe
>the singers are Lata-Rafi. No clue on the other P-stats.
This is also from the old film Barood (not barood which is old). :) MD
Khayyam, lyrics Hasrat Jaipuri. Singers also included Honey Irani and Sheikh
Mukhtar.
A variant of this song is "Padhoge likhoge banoge nawaab, jo kheloge kuudoge
hoge kharaab" from Maalik, 1958. MD Ghulam Mohd., lyrics by Shakeel.
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Ritu
> Did I make sense? Doubt it.
Thanks a million Anindya for answering my question. And yes, you made
a lot of sense. There's only one point I have a question on. Which
follows
> For instance, coming to your Devdas example, the original of Aan milo
> - Rongeela rongeela rongeela re (nothing to do with Prem Pujari's
> Rangeela re, of course, as we all know) sung by SDB himself, does not
> sound like a Baul song at all, IMHO. However, in the HFM version, we
> see a Baul couple mouthing this song, with ektaras in hand - thereby
> giving it the Baul touch.
What you are implying here is that the picturisation gives it a baul
touch? Doesn't the song by itself have to sound like a baul? What I
assume is that the baul(like any other folk form like say the Kajri)
should have the following things that can identify it.
a)Commonality in tunes/notes
b)Certain distinct rhythm patterns
c)A style of rendering it.
d)A commonality in the lyrics (which you have elaborated on)
I feel if a song satisfies a), b) and c) then we could say it's a
close enough adaptation of the said musical form. d) is not so
relevant vis-a-vis Hindi film adaptations. But how can a picturisation
determine if a song belongs to a certain folk form?
- Ritu
>
> Anindya
Malini
>
> Any more?
>
Surprisingly, I didn't find vo subah kabhii to aayegii from phir subah hogii
in the list.
Some more songs :
-jiivan chalane kaa naam, chalate raho subah-o-shaam - shor
-jo raah chunii tune us raah pe raahii chalate jaanaa re - tapasya
-ha.Ns tuu hardam, Kushiyaa.N yaa Gam, kisi se darnaa nahii - lootmaar ?
thanks,
Malini
Anindya
> >
> >Raaton ke saaye ghaane - Lata/Anadata/Yogesh/Salil C.
>
> What a song! The mere mention of it makes me want to hear it. Soon after
> posting this. :)
and what a movie score, Annadata.
> >And a staple at a school I went to: Likho padoge to aage badoge.
talking of "staple" motivational songs, how about "Insaaf ke dagar pe,
bachcho.n dikhaao.n chalke" (Ganga Yamuna) - one of only two songs
that HemantK sang under Naushad (the other, of course, being Chandan
ka palna - Shabaab. Lousy Piloo, nice song!)
Anindya
Anindya
> touch? Doesn't the song by itself have to sound like a baul?
lyrically, "O Raadhe khoye khoye phire" would be closer to Keertan.
Which confirms your assumption on HFM Baul/Keertans:
What I
> assume is that the baul(like any other folk form like say the Kajri)
> should have the following things that can identify it.
> a)Commonality in tunes/notes
> b)Certain distinct rhythm patterns
> c)A style of rendering it.
> d)A commonality in the lyrics (which you have elaborated on)
>
> I feel if a song satisfies a), b) and c) then we could say it's a
> close enough adaptation of the said musical form. d) is not so
> relevant vis-a-vis Hindi film adaptations.
exactly. (d) depends on what a Bimal Roy or a Guru Dutt wants out of a
Sahir or Shailendra, I guess.
But how can a picturisation
> determine if a song belongs to a certain folk form?
it can certainly heighten or dilute the over-all effect.
Anindya
Surajit A. Bose
"oo.Nche niiche raaste aur ma.nzil terii duur
raah me.n raahii ruk naa jaanaa hokar ke majabuur" (Khud-daar)
"raahii o rahii! tere sar pe duaao.N ke saaye rahe ...
... ho himalay se uu.Nchaa teraa hausalaa" (Himalay se Ooncha)
Coupla maybes. How 'bout "nanhe munne bacche terii muThThii me.n kyaa
hai" (Boot Polish)? Does that count? At any rate, "raat ga_ii phir din
aataa hai" from the same movie ought to count.
(I suppose since it inquires into a motive, "mere bhai.ns ko Dan.Daa
kyo.n maaraa" might be considered a motivational song....)
-s
SKalra902
>Most of the good ones are taken, so I'll mention a couple of lousy ones:
>
>"oo.Nche niiche raaste aur ma.nzil terii duur
>raah me.n raahii ruk naa jaanaa hokar ke majabuur" (Khud-daar)
>
>"raahii o rahii! tere sar pe duaao.N ke saaye rahe ...
>... ho himalay se uu.Nchaa teraa hausalaa" (Himalay se Ooncha)
Agreed that these are a couple of lousy ones.
>Coupla maybes. How 'bout "nanhe munne bacche terii muThThii me.n kyaa
>hai" (Boot Polish)? Does that count? At any rate, "raat ga_ii phir din
>aataa hai" from the same movie ought to count.
>
Is that "maybes" for 'motivational'? I sure hope so, because I would strongly
object to these Boot Polish songs being called 'lousy' ones. :-)
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Sudhir Kakar
++++++++++++++
BABLA (1953) / Sahir Ludhianavi /SDB
Raat Ke Rahi Thank Mat Jaana, Subah Ki Manzil Door Nahin / Lata + Chorus
........do.......... / Manna Dey + Chorus
These songs haven't been re-issued and are not available on
alternate sources. However, you can read the lyrics in
some of Sahir's Song Books.
Sudhir
Ashish
guddi
Humko man ki shakti dena, man vijay karein..
Doosroan ki jay se pahle apni jay karein..
And this one from Mr. India..
Jindagi ki yahi reet hai,
Haar ke baad hi jeet hai.
Ashish
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>
> From "itni shakti hamein dena data" .. I remember a beautiful prayer from
> guddi
>
> Humko man ki shakti dena, man vijay karein..
> Doosroan ki jay se pahle apni jay karein..
>
> And this one from Mr. India..
>
> Jindagi ki yahi reet hai,
> Haar ke baad hi jeet hai.
>
> Ashish
>
WOnder How this got missed.
na muh chhupa ke jiyo, na sar jhuka ke jiyo - Humraaz
zindagi gale laga le - sadma
-Rawat