IrfanBAGH Collection 7
irfan moinuddin
BAGH mein ek aur phool jo soongne ke layaq hai, aap ke pesh-e-nazar
hai...
I think this is ghazal #2 from side B of Cassette #1 of Begum
Akhtar's Golden Collection (produced by HMV).
Shayar is Momin Khan Momin, arguably the best shayar after Mir
and Ghalib.
I think the Music Composer is unspecified.
Woh jo ham mein tum mein qarar tha, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
Wohi ya'ane wa'da nibaah ka, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
Woh naye gile wo shikayatein, wo maze maze ke shikayatein
Wo har ek baat pe roothna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
Kabhi ham mein tum mein bhi chaah thi, kabhi hamse tumse bhi rahat thi
Kabhi ham bhi tum bhi the aashna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
aashna = acquaintance, friend; rahat = relief, pleasure
Jise aap ginte the aashna, jise aap kehte the bawafa
Main wohi hoon Momin-e-mubtila, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
bawafa = one who is faithful; mubtila = involved, afflicted
Enjoy,
Irfan.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------Khumar
DushmanoN se pyar hota jaega, DostoN ko aazmate jaiega Barahbankhavi
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Abhay Avachat
: Hello, RMIM ke gulcin (flower gatherers),
:
: BAGH mein ek aur phool jo soongne ke layaq hai, aap ke pesh-e-nazar
: hai...
Thanks a lot for all the GHazals, Irfan. Keep them coming.
For some of the difficult Shers, perhaps you can add some of your
interpreteations to start a good discussion.
In one of your posts, you have wondered about the net-pickers :-)
So here is some net-picking :-)
: I think this is ghazal #2 from side B of Cassette #1 of Begum
: Akhtar's Golden Collection (produced by HMV).
: Shayar is Momin Khan Momin, arguably the best shayar after Mir
: and Ghalib.
I prefer not to argue here, but agree. Momin can very well be ranked
next to Mir and GHalib. In fact as far as the subtelty factor goes,
he scores well above GHalib !! I will not be so confident, if he is
to be compared to the great Mir on that aspect. But undoubtedly Momin
took the Urdu Shayari to great heights, just by being so subtle.
In this GHazal, he doesn't disply so much of subtelty, but the simplicity
is amazing. The Shers so effortlessly touch your heart. Much in the same
way as "chupke chupke" by Hasrat Mohani. The fluidity, th rhythm is also
worth noticing.
: Woh jo ham mein tum mein qarar tha, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
: Wohi ya'ane wa'da nibaah ka, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
:
: Woh naye gile wo shikayatein, wo maze maze ke shikayatein
: Wo har ek baat pe roothna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
Now for some net-picking. Shouldn't it be something like
woh naye gile, wo shikayateN, wo maze maze ki __hiqaayateN__
hiqaayateN = fasaane, stories
: Kabhi ham mein tum mein bhi chaah thi, kabhi hamse tumse bhi rahat thi
: Kabhi ham bhi tum bhi the aashna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
:
: aashna = acquaintance, friend; rahat = relief, pleasure
Again, is "raahat" correct ? I think it's "raah".
Thanks for the GHazala again.
- Abhay.
Net-picking is not my forte , but still ...
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Trivia for today
Gulzar's real name is Sampooran Singh.
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Preeti Ranjan Panda
cute english translations of a couple of Momin ghazals, including
"wo jo hum mein tum mein qaraar tha." Also contains some of the
shers left out in Begum Akhtar's version.
Poster was: rk...@ubmail.ubalt.edu.
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From: rk...@ubmail.ubalt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.language.urdu.poetry
Subject: GHAZALS BY MOMIN KHAN MOMIN
Date: 7 Jan 95 09:39:06 -0500
Respected admirers of Urdu shaiyeree:
I hope you are still savouring the taste of Mirza
Ghalib's shero shaiyeree. Todays post is of Shaiyer Momin Khan Momin
(1801 - 1852). Momin writes in a plain, straightforward manner without
much allusion to mysticism or spirituality. His poetry is a frank and
faithful record of his emotional experiences.
Momin sought "Islaah" from the poets Nasikh and Mir.
Mir seems to have influenced him the most and he has written many ghazals
in the metres and manners of Mir. But Momin is not an imitator of
Mir, he has a fresh conversational and natural style. Besides writing
ghazals, Mir also wrote "Masnavis" -- autoboigraphical narrative poems,
describing in some detail the poet's romantic attachments, and "Marsias"-
elegies, mourning the deaths of his mistresses. Momin had an excellant
command of Urdu, Persian and Arabic. His command of the languages and
the subletly of expression inspired this often quoted couplet:
Tum mere paas hote ho goya
Jab koi doosra nahin hota.
I feel as if you are with me,
When company I have none.
On a personal note, I would probably not be able
to post ghazals for the next two weeks as I am moving to Philadelphia.
I will continue with the shero-shaiyeree as soon as I have an email
account.
Shauq Farmaayen!
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Woh jo hum mein tum mein qaraar tha tumhen yaad ho ke na yaad ho,
Wohi wada yaani nibaah ka, tumhe yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
Woh jo lutf mujh pe the peshtar, woh karam ke the mere haal par,
Mujhe sab he yaad zara zara, tumhe yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
Woh naye gile woh shikayaten, woh maze maze ki hikayaten,
Woh harek baat pe ruthna tumhe yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
Hue ittefaq se gar baham, to wafa jatane ko bardabadam,
Gila-e-malaamat-e-aqraba, tumhe yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
Koi baat aisi gar hui, ke tumhare ji ko buri lagi,
To bayaan se pehle hi bhoolna, tumhe yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
Kabhi hum mein tum mein bhi chah thi, kabhi hum mein tum mein bhi rah thi,
Kabhi hum bhi tum bhi the aashna, tumhe yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
Woh bigarna wasal ki raat ka, woh na maanana kisi baat ka,
Woh nahin, nahin ki har aan ada, tumhe yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
Jise aap ginte the aashna, jise aap kahte the ba-wafa,
Main wohi hun Momin-e-mubtala, tumhen yaad ho ke na yaad ho.
The pledge that you and I had made, you may or mayn't recall,
The pledge, that is, to love till death, you may or mayn't recall.
The joys once bestowed on me, those kindness galore,
I remember every bit, you may or mayn't recall.
Those new complaints, grumblings new, those delicious tales,
that getting angry without a cause, you may or mayn't recall.
If chanced we to get together, to reaffirm our faith,
how we complained our unkind kin, you may or mayn't recall.
If there was aught that annoyed your heart,
I always let it go unsaid, you may or mayn't recall.
We too had once each other loved, and frequently did meet,
we too were once intimate, you may or mayn't recall.
Your getting cross on the first night, spurning all my pleas,
Your insistent no to everything, you may or mayn't recall.
Whom you counted as your friend, faithful whom you thought,
I am the same suffering Momin, you may or mayn't recall.
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Roya karenge aap bhi pahron isi tarah,
Atka kahin jo aap ka dil meri tarah.
Mar chuk kahin ke tu gham-e-hijraan se chuut jaae,
Kahte to hain bhale ki, lekin buri tarah.
Nai taab hijar mein hai, na aaram wasal mein,
Kambakhat dil ko chain nahin hai kisi tarah.
Lagti hain gaaliyan bhi tere munh se kya bhali,
Qurbaan tere phir mujhe kah le isi tarah.
Pamaal hum na hote faqt jaur-e-charkh se,
Aai hamari jaan par aafat kaye tarah.
Nai jaae waan bane hai, na bin jaae chain hai,
Kya kijye hamen to hai mushkil sabhi tarah.
Hun jaan balab butaan-e-sitamgar ke haath se,
Kya sab jahaan mein jeete hain Momin isi tarah ?
You too shall weep for hours on end,
When your heart, like mine, somewhere gets entwined.
"go kill yourself and the pangs of parting escape",
what he says is for my good, though 'tis harshly put.
Neither content with the paritng, nor with the union pleased,
My wretched heart is at ill ease, whatever the state.
How sweet to me your damning words! let me hear,
Bless ye: your expletives once again.
The rigours of fate alone couldn't have wrought my ruin,
A hundred other calamities preyed upon my heart.
Go there, I cannot, without going I Pine,
What I do ? I do not know, I am in a fix anyway.
Despotic beauties have drained my life away,
Does everyone in the world, Momin, live the way I do ?
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End quote.
Regards,
Preeti Ranjan
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--- Mukesh's voice is better than it sounds. ---
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U.V Ravindra
mo...@ellis.uchicago.edu (irfan moinuddin) writes:
=> I think this is ghazal #2 from side B of Cassette #1 of Begum
=> Akhtar's Golden Collection (produced by HMV).
This is the first time I am reading (*any* of) the posts in the "BAGH"
series, and I think Irfan is doing a great job. The only thing is,
Irfan, I think you should more word meanings, and also provide some
analysis of the GHazal at the end of each post. That way we could
have *interactive* BAGH, for it would prompt some discussion.
=> Shayar is Momin Khan Momin, arguably the best shayar after Mir
=> and Ghalib.
Momin, as far as I know belongs to the group of GHaalib's
contemporaries: Momin, Zauq, Daagh, Ghalib ... Mir was, IMO (and I
think Abhay will agree with me) quite a class apart! IMO, a good
ordering of these shaa'irs would be:
Ghalib, Momin > Zauq > Daagh
Off tangent, there's a story about how the "visaal-e-yaar" Ghazal was
composed by *all* these shaa'irs in a mushaairaa ... Ghalib said "yeh
na thi hamaari qismat ke wisaal-e-yaar hotaa" and Daagh said "ajab
apnaa haal hotaa jo wisaal-e-yaar hotaa". Zauq is also said to have
written a GHazal at the mushaairaa? I sort of remember some scene
like this in the Mirza Ghalib of Talat Mehmood/Suraiya (music by
GHulam Mohd.).
A related question. Was this Daagh the same as Daagh Dehlvi, who
wrote "dil ko kyaa ho gayaa KHudaa jaane, kyoN hai aisaa udaas, kyaa
jaane" and "daaGH aaNkheN nikaalte haiN woh, un ko de do nikaal kar
aaNkheN"?
Back to the GHazal in the BAGH, and it's rather interesting that Irfan
should have posted this GHazal, because this is one of the GHazals in
the RARE GEMS: Jagjit and Chitra Singh Album (released by HMV). I
have mentioned this Album on RMIM earlier. It's an absolute must for
all GHazal fans to possess this album. It sort of presents the
"missing link" between the classical GHazal gayaki of Begum Akhtar,
Mehdi Hasan et al, and the modern pop GHazal of Jagjit Singh. I think
I'll post something like the "Jharokhaa" that Irfan posted about Begum
Akhtar, on the J&C Rare Gems album. Incidentally, the album contains
GHazals sung by J&C between 1966 and 1975, and consists predominantly
of Jigar Moradabadi (maximum number), Ghalib, Mir, Momin, Amir Minai,
Sudarshan Faakir, Daagh Dehlvi and others.
This particular GHazal is sung by Chitra. Just one hearing of the
rendition by Chitra will suffice, I am sure, to show how GHazal fell
from the pedestal at which Begum Akhtar placed it to the current
depths where Pankaj Udhas and Chandan Das are caressing it at.
=> Woh jo ham mein tum mein qarar tha, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
=> Wohi ya'ane wa'da nibaah ka, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
=>
=> Woh naye gile wo shikayatein, wo maze maze ke shikayatein
=> Wo har ek baat pe roothna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
I can't stop my itching fingers from performing their favourite task:
net-picking! ;-) :-)
This GHazal should read:
woh naye gile, woh shikaayateiN, woh maze maze ki hikaayateiN
woh har ek baat pe rooTHnaa, tumheiN yaad ho ke na yaad ho
"hikaayateiN" means something like "teasing" I think.
=> Kabhi ham mein tum mein bhi chaah thi, kabhi hamse tumse bhi rahat thi
=> Kabhi ham bhi tum bhi the aashna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
=>
=> aashna = acquaintance, friend; rahat = relief, pleasure
Is this 'rahat' the same as 'raahat'? Because if it is, either the
other word should be "chaahat" or this should not be "raahat" but
should be "raah". Momin couldn't have been expected to make this kind
of oversight!
BTW, I think the word "raah" fits better in the context. Please check
up and let RMIM know, Irfan.
=> Jise aap ginte the aashna, jise aap kehte the bawafa
=> Main wohi hoon Momin-e-mubtila, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
=>
=> bawafa = one who is faithful; mubtila = involved, afflicted
=>
=> Enjoy,
=> Irfan.
--
resh-e-paarah-e-dil-e-chaak-e-saraabor-e-lahoo
thaa, magar ranjish-e-aryaaN kabhi pehle to na thi
irfan moinuddin
U.V Ravindra <uvr@tata_elxsi.soft.net> wrote:
>In article <DCyL4...@midway.uchicago.edu>
>mo...@ellis.uchicago.edu (irfan moinuddin) writes:
>
>=> I think this is ghazal #2 from side B of Cassette #1 of Begum
>=> Akhtar's Golden Collection (produced by HMV).
>
>This is the first time I am reading (*any* of) the posts in the "BAGH"
>series, and I think Irfan is doing a great job. The only thing is,
>Irfan, I think you should more word meanings, and also provide some
>analysis of the GHazal at the end of each post. That way we could
>have *interactive* BAGH, for it would prompt some discussion.
Interactive BAGH, what a concept! Your suggestions are definitely
worth implementing.
>
>=> Shayar is Momin Khan Momin, arguably the best shayar after Mir
>=> and Ghalib.
>
>Momin, as far as I know belongs to the group of GHaalib's
>contemporaries: Momin, Zauq, Daagh, Ghalib ... Mir was, IMO (and I
>think Abhay will agree with me) quite a class apart! IMO, a good
>ordering of these shaa'irs would be:
> Ghalib, Momin > Zauq > Daagh
>
I would agree.
>Off tangent, there's a story about how the "visaal-e-yaar" Ghazal was
>composed by *all* these shaa'irs in a mushaairaa ... Ghalib said "yeh
>na thi hamaari qismat ke wisaal-e-yaar hotaa" and Daagh said "ajab
>apnaa haal hotaa jo wisaal-e-yaar hotaa". Zauq is also said to have
>written a GHazal at the mushaairaa? I sort of remember some scene
>like this in the Mirza Ghalib of Talat Mehmood/Suraiya (music by
>GHulam Mohd.).
>
>A related question. Was this Daagh the same as Daagh Dehlvi, who
>wrote "dil ko kyaa ho gayaa KHudaa jaane, kyoN hai aisaa udaas, kyaa
>jaane" and "daaGH aaNkheN nikaalte haiN woh, un ko de do nikaal kar
>aaNkheN"?
>
I'm not sure offhand but I'll try and look into it.
[a little bit snipped to save b/w]
>Mehdi Hasan et al, and the modern pop GHazal of Jagjit Singh. I think
>I'll post something like the "Jharokhaa" that Irfan posted about Begum
>Akhtar, on the J&C Rare Gems album. Incidentally, the album contains
>GHazals sung by J&C between 1966 and 1975, and consists predominantly
>of Jigar Moradabadi (maximum number), Ghalib, Mir, Momin, Amir Minai,
>Sudarshan Faakir, Daagh Dehlvi and others.
I think the Jharokhaa idea is a very good one, especially when
dealing with albums that are not familiar to everyone.
>
>This particular GHazal is sung by Chitra. Just one hearing of the
>rendition by Chitra will suffice, I am sure, to show how GHazal fell
>from the pedestal at which Begum Akhtar placed it to the current
>depths where Pankaj Udhas and Chandan Das are caressing it at.
:-)) well put.
>
>=> Woh jo ham mein tum mein qarar tha, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
>=> Wohi ya'ane wa'da nibaah ka, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
>=>
>=> Woh naye gile wo shikayatein, wo maze maze ke shikayatein
>=> Wo har ek baat pe roothna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
>
>I can't stop my itching fingers from performing their favourite task:
>net-picking! ;-) :-)
>
>This GHazal should read:
>
> woh naye gile, woh shikaayateiN, woh maze maze ki hikaayateiN
> woh har ek baat pe rooTHnaa, tumheiN yaad ho ke na yaad ho
>
>"hikaayateiN" means something like "teasing" I think.
I suspected that this was the case. :-) Glad you confirmed it.
>
>=> Kabhi ham mein tum mein bhi chaah thi, kabhi hamse tumse bhi rahat thi
>=> Kabhi ham bhi tum bhi the aashna, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
>=>
>=> aashna = acquaintance, friend; rahat = relief, pleasure
>
>Is this 'rahat' the same as 'raahat'? Because if it is, either the
>other word should be "chaahat" or this should not be "raahat" but
>should be "raah". Momin couldn't have been expected to make this kind
>of oversight!
>
>BTW, I think the word "raah" fits better in the context. Please check
>up and let RMIM know, Irfan.
You're right. I myself had written down 'raah' but when posting
the ghazal, I decided at the last minute, for some forgotten reason,
that raahat made more sense.
I wish I could resist these last-minute urges.
Glad to have the netpicker restructure my errors. :-)
>
>=> Jise aap ginte the aashna, jise aap kehte the bawafa
>=> Main wohi hoon Momin-e-mubtila, tumhein yaad ho ke na yaad ho
>=>
>=> bawafa = one who is faithful; mubtila = involved, afflicted
>=>
>=> Enjoy,
>=> Irfan.
>
Irfan.
irfan moinuddin
In article <9508080624.AA04035@delss02>,
Abhay Avachat <abhay....@blr.sni.de> wrote:
>Irfan wrote :
>
>: Hello, RMIM ke gulcin (flower gatherers),
>:
>: BAGH mein ek aur phool jo soongne ke layaq hai, aap ke pesh-e-nazar
>: hai...
>
>Thanks a lot for all the GHazals, Irfan. Keep them coming.
>For some of the difficult Shers, perhaps you can add some of your
>interpreteations to start a good discussion.
>
>In one of your posts, you have wondered about the net-pickers :-)
>So here is some net-picking :-)
I consider it an honor to be picked by the man who posted ASAD
for such a long time! Thanks.
This whole IrfanBAGH series has been very time-consuming but
extremely worthwhile, with all the interesting input.
Irfan.
>
>Thanks for the GHazala again.
>
>- Abhay.
> Net-picking is not my forte , but still ...
>
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>Trivia for today
> Gulzar's real name is Sampooran Singh.
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>