Abhi To Main Jawan Hun (#143)
Snehal B. Oza
#143
Song: Manmohanaa Bade Jhuthe
Music: Shankar Jaikishan
Lyrics: Shailendra
Singer: Lata Mangeshkar
*ing: Nutan, Balraj Sahani, Shobha Khote
This Jaijayvanti based song, has superb taans by Lata towards the end. One of
the best creation by composers. Lata is so effortless and supreme, even sweet
sarangi is no comparison!
This film, is also known for Shankar Jaikishan's first association with Ustd.
Ali Akbar Khan. He made 'Suno Chhoti Gudiya Ki Lambi Kahani', composed by
Jaikishan, in two parts, famous. Lata also sung a nice song picturised on Ms
Khote
Baat Baat Me Rutho Na, Apane Aap Ko Luto Na
Is Rang Badalati Duinya Me Takdir Se Apni Rutho? Na
A soft, melodious song.
Rafi also came with, 'Kahan Ja Raha Hai Tu Ai Jaane Wale' -- a nice song. In
fact he also sung my favourite
Hame Bhi De Do Sahaara, Ke Sahaare Hain
Palak Ki God Se Tute Hue Sitaare Hain
sung with chorus. I like harmonium in this song. It was a time a song based on
that instrument were hard to come; still they did a good experiment.
Well, someone must be wondering -- I am writing about Seema and how do you
forget the most famous song of the film ? Yes, Manna De sung this evergreen
song 'Tu Pyaar Ka Saagar Hai, Teri Ik Bund Ke Pyaase Hum'. It has extremely
pleasant touch provided by Manna's voice and accompanying light orchestra.
hnk...@pitt.edu
Snehal B. Oza wrote:
>
> #143
> Song: Manmohanaa Bade Jhuthe
>
> Music: Shankar Jaikishan
> Lyrics: Shailendra
> Singer: Lata Mangeshkar
> *ing: Nutan, Balraj Sahani, Shobha Khote
>
Thanks Snehalji, for posting this song. It gave me a channel to
express my pent up thoughts about classical music.
I used to listen to this and other classical (or semi-classical) songs
in India. My mother had a tape titled "Classical songs from films", a
very old one, and I grew up with listening to it. It had songs like,
"Madhuban mein raadhika", "ajhu na aaye baalma (can someone give the
p-stats of this one)", Manamohana bade",etc. Whenever, I was in a bad
mood or very tired, I would always instinctively listen to these songs
as these would make me feel very relaxed and relieve me of all the
tension or fatigue. When it comes to classical or semi-classical
music, I am "kala akshar bhains baraabar". But I always feel that
even though I do not understand the technicalities, classical music
always has a soothing effect for me. That makes me wonder, if there
is any element in our Hindustani raagas, which have some effect on our
nerves and can actually act as a healer psychologically. What do the
fellow netters think?
Also, can some kind soul suggest me some good tapes of semi-classical
or classical songs to buy and also where can I buy them? Also, I
would like to learn about the raagas so that I can enjoy them more.
Is there any info available on the web? Are there any self-teach
books?
-Hema.
Jairaj, Vinod
HI!
Ajahun Na Aaye Baalma is from the movie Saanjh Aur Savera (1964?),
stg. Guru Dutt, Meena Kumari, Mehmood, and ???. This song is picturized on
Mehmood and ???. It is beautifully sung by Rafi and Lata, composed by SJ.
The title song of this, too, is really beautiful.
Vinod
Pranav Mehta
Actually (and unfortunately), the female singer is Suman Kalyanpur and not Lata! My
only complaint against this otherwise absolutely magical song has been that it was
cursed by the Rafi-Lata rift of those years. This, imho, is one of the best songs of
Rafi. In fact, in the second stanza, in the line "aur bhi mora man...", the
intricate little 'taan' in "man" is, imo, like a singer's 'nirvaana'. It is one of
those things through which God proves His existence! What a shame, then, that he
didn't have Latabai to reciprocate his divine moments! (BTW, don't get me wrong, I
do believe that Suman tried her best to keep up...but she is no Latabai, not even by
the longest stretch of imagination!)
Wondering sadly about what-could-have-been :-(,
Pranav
hnk...@pitt.edu
Jairaj, Vinod wrote:
>
> HI!
> Ajahun Na Aaye Baalma is from the movie Saanjh Aur Savera (1964?),
> stg. Guru Dutt, Meena Kumari, Mehmood, and ???. This song is picturized on
> Mehmood and ???. It is beautifully sung by Rafi and Lata, composed by SJ.
> The title song of this, too, is really beautiful.
>
> Vinod
Thanks for the info, Vinod. This song is a favorite of mine. I
cannot believe it is composed by SJ!!!
I never thoguht that SJ composed anything else than the luney-tuney
romantics and some beautiful sad melodies. But classical??!! This is
not meant to be an attack on SJ camp (if any). Its just my ignorance
of SJ's prowess maybe. Learned RMIMers, please throw some light on
SJ's semi-classical compositions.
-Hema.
Abhay Avachat
In article <32F7B6...@pitt.edu>, hnk...@pitt.edu says...
>
>Jairaj, Vinod wrote:
>>
>> HI!
>> Ajahun Na Aaye Baalma is from the movie Saanjh Aur Savera (1964?),
>> stg. Guru Dutt, Meena Kumari, Mehmood, and ???. This song is picturized on
>> Mehmood and ???. It is beautifully sung by Rafi and Lata, composed by SJ.
>> The title song of this, too, is really beautiful.
This is not a Lata-Rafi duet. It's a Rafi-Suman duet.
It's picturised on Mehmood and Shubha Khote.
The song featured in the first Chitrahaar and even one of the strongest
opponents of SJ went on record to call this as a "pearl necklace" !
>Thanks for the info, Vinod. This song is a favorite of mine. I
>cannot believe it is composed by SJ!!!
Enlightenment is the word. Welcome to SJ camp ! :-)
>I never thoguht that SJ composed anything else than the luney-tuney
>romantics and some beautiful sad melodies. But classical??!! This is
>not meant to be an attack on SJ camp (if any). Its just my ignorance
Your question may not be an attack, but "if any" can be considered as such !
Par THeek hai, pehli khataa mu'aaf hai ! :-) :-) :-)
>of SJ's prowess maybe. Learned RMIMers, please throw some light on
>SJ's semi-classical compositions.
Give Basant Bahar a try. No, no, I am not a learned one. But one
doesn't have to be a learned one to know good things about the
music of SJ. :-) :-)
- Abhay.
"Elementary" said he. [from "The Crooked Man"]
Surajit A. Bose
In article <32F7B0...@ccm.ch.intel.com>, Pranav Mehta
<pranav_...@ccm.ch.intel.com> wrote:
> Actually (and unfortunately), the female singer is Suman Kalyanpur and
not Lata! My
> only complaint against this otherwise absolutely magical song has been
that it was
> cursed by the Rafi-Lata rift of those years. This, imho, is one of the
best songs of
> Rafi. In fact, in the second stanza, in the line "aur bhi mora man...", the
> intricate little 'taan' in "man" is, imo, like a singer's 'nirvaana'. It
is one of
> those things through which God proves His existence! What a shame, then,
that he
> didn't have Latabai to reciprocate his divine moments! (BTW, don't get
me wrong, I
> do believe that Suman tried her best to keep up...but she is no Latabai,
not even by
> the longest stretch of imagination!)
Whoa! The scale "ajhuu.N na aaye" is unfortunately too high for Suman's
voice, but generally, as a classical singer she is at least as good,
sometimes better than, Rafi. Listen to "man mohan man me.n" from Kaise
Kahoon for a demonstration.
And the tacit assumption that MD's turned to Suman only when Lata was not
available is simply not true. There are plenty of soundtracks on which
they share honors. "Barsaat ki Raat," "Meri Surat Teri Aankhen," etc. MDs
may have had any number of reasons for using Suman instead of Lata in a
given song, but at least one of those reasons has to be that Suman is a
top-notch singer too.
In fact, I think it's rather boring to pick up the recording of any movie
and find track after track sung by the same singers. One reason the
soundtrack of, say, "Barsaat ki Raat" is interesting is that we get to
listen not just to the inevitable Lata, Asha, Rafi, but also Manna De,
S.D. Batish, Sudha Malhotra, Suman, and Kamal Barot. Yes, the big four
(adding Kishore) are terrific, but their overwhelming presence in
soundtracks from the seventies, to the near-exclusion of everybody else,
is one of the reasons the soundtracks from the forties, fifties, and
sixties are so much more exciting.
Thru'out the late seventies and eighties, perfectly good singers with
distinctive voices (Suresh Wadkar, Yesudas, Vani Jairam, Preeti Sagar,
Aarti Mukherjee) stayed on the periphery and never quite got the breaks
they deserved only because the entire Hindi music industry was so much in
thrall to the big four. Only Mukesh was still around in addition to these
four. Even such a talent as Manna De practically disappeared.
And look what happens when promising singers are pushed out. In the
eighties, when for various reasons there's a need for singers to replace
the big four, we're left with nobody worthwhile. Worse, singers are
encouraged to clone the big four. Amit Kumar, Nitin Mukesh, Shabbir Kumar,
Kumar Sanu, etc. (especially Kumar Sanu) might have been worth listening
to if only they had stopped trying to sound like the singers they tried to
sound like. But no, instead of cultivating an identity of his own, Kumar
Sanu records seventeen CDs of cover versions of Kishore's songs.
-s
hnk...@pitt.edu
Surajit A. Bose wrote:
> Thru'out the late seventies and eighties, perfectly good singers with distinctive voices (Suresh Wadkar, Yesudas, Vani Jairam, Preeti Sagar, Aarti Mukherjee) stayed on the periphery and never quite got the breaks they deserved only because the entire Hindi music industry was so much in thrall to the big four. Only Mukesh was still around in addition to these four. Even such a talent as Manna De practically disappeared.
>
> And look what happens when promising singers are pushed out. In the
> eighties, when for various reasons there's a need for singers to replace
> the big four, we're left with nobody worthwhile. Worse, singers are
> encouraged to clone the big four. Amit Kumar, Nitin Mukesh, Shabbir Kumar,
> Kumar Sanu, etc. (especially Kumar Sanu) might have been worth listening
> to if only they had stopped trying to sound like the singers they tried to
> sound like. But no, instead of cultivating an identity of his own, Kumar
> Sanu records seventeen CDs of cover versions of Kishore's songs.
>
> -s
I agree with Surajit. Especially now that we really need good singers
to replace the big 4 or atleast big 2, we are resorting to the
creation of new artistes by the likes of Gulshan Kumar. I wish the
MDs used singers like Anwar, etc. Among the newer generation, Sonu
Nigam and Abhijeet(if he doesn't do an overdose of songs like KS) are
the only ones I find promising.
H.
Ikram Ahmed Khan
Surajit A. Bose wrote:
> And look what happens when promising singers are pushed out. In the
> eighties, when for various reasons there's a need for singers to replace
> the big four, we're left with nobody worthwhile. Worse, singers are
> encouraged to clone the big four. Amit Kumar, Nitin Mukesh, Shabbir Kumar,
> Kumar Sanu, etc. (especially Kumar Sanu) might have been worth listening
> to if only they had stopped trying to sound like the singers they tried to
> sound like. But no, instead of cultivating an identity of his own, Kumar
> Sanu records seventeen CDs of cover versions of Kishore's songs.
"Whoa!" :) Without taking anything away from the thrust of the argu....
Amit Kumar's voice is quite distinctive from KK. Much more 'timbre' { or
do I hear shouts of 'timber' :) } much more deeper than KK. This makes
for a different set of strongpoints for AmitK {and also weakpoints}
Plus he doesn't copy KK, my belief. He might have been asked to sing
songs meant for KK, which is neither here nor there....
And further q here,
Does Amit have any other song recently released besides Kajol Kajol in
Sapoot?
Later,
Ikram.
>
> -s
Aman S Kohli
>
> Surajit A. Bose wrote:
>
> > And look what happens when promising singers are pushed out. In the
> > eighties, when for various reasons there's a need for singers to replace
> > the big four, we're left with nobody worthwhile. Worse, singers are
> > encouraged to clone the big four. Amit Kumar, Nitin Mukesh, Shabbir Kumar,
> > Kumar Sanu, etc. (especially Kumar Sanu) might have been worth listening
> > to if only they had stopped trying to sound like the singers they tried to
> > sound like. But no, instead of cultivating an identity of his own, Kumar
> > Sanu records seventeen CDs of cover versions of Kishore's songs.
This question of cloning has always been around, afaik. When KK first
started didn't he sing a lot of songs like Saigal? Mukesh and Pankaj
Udhas had a more than a passing similarity? Lata, in the earlier
films, sounded like the more popular voices of the day - like Shamshad
Begum. Later they made their own "distinctive" mark. But also, the
quality of songs and artistic freedom from the "old days" seems alot
more. A lot of the newer songs are either cheap reip-offs/western
sound-alikes or just plain boring.
Aman