shankar jaikishan
Dellpak
First name of the author starts with Vishwa.
Thanks in advance.
Raajkumar Keswani
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> Can somdy help me find the author of book on SHANKAR JAIKISHAN?
> First name of the author starts with Vishwa.
> Thanks in advance.
Its Vishwas Nerurkar .
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shahrukh
Jaikishan.
It is priced at Rs.700 and is quite comprehensive. I purchased it
recently in Pune after a lot of effort as it is not widely available.
I am told it is available in Mumbai. If you are based in any of these
places, I might be able to help you save some trouble.
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ajit
Indian singer. Is it M L Vasanthakumaari??
shahrukh
If you are based in Pune can we meet up once and have a chat about
Shankar Jaikishan ? Please call me on 5675853. Or email your number.
Shahrukh
ajit...@hotmail.com (ajit) wrote in message news:<c5161e15.01112...@posting.google.com>...
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> Indian singer. Is it M L Vasanthakumaari??
Yes it is...the song is a "Tillana" (like Hindustani "Tarana") in the
Raga "Hindolam" (Hindustani "Malkauns").
Sanjeev
ajit
I am somehow curious to know whether this song was composed by MLV
herself or by SJ. I have similarly even wondered if it is justifiable
to
1)credit Naushad for "shubhh din Ayo rE" & "prem jogan ban kE"
2)credit Vasant Desai for the title song of JJPB by Aamir khAn
3)credit LP for the Raajan Saajan Mishra songs in Sur Sangam
Secondly I wonder if HFM has had any other songs based on Carnatic
music (maybe "naa dir dim tana dere naa" by LM for Anil Biswas, also
in an obscure 1977 film "gayatri mahima" there is a tarAnA/thillAnA by
Anuradha Paudwal (MD = chitragupt. the song's there on
musicindiaonline.com) Somewhere in an article on SJ I have read that
they have made good use of Carnatic music. Sanjeev, could u throw more
light on this ???
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> herself or by SJ.
My guess is that this is either MLV's or an older Carnatic
composition.
> I have similarly even wondered if it is justifiable to
>
> 1)credit Naushad for "shubhh din Ayo rE" & "prem jogan ban kE"
I wonder the same thing about "Aaj Gaawat Man Mero" & "Tori Jai Jai
Kartaar" from Baiju Bawra and "Daya Kar He Giridhar Gopal" from
Shabaab. Incidentally, the maestros (Ustad Amir Khan and Pandit D.V.
Paluskar) sing a brief clip of "Langar Kankariya Jina Maro" (a
well-known traditional bandish) in "Todi" before "Aaj Gaawat".
> 2)credit Vasant Desai for the title song of JJPB by Aamir khAn
Not sure...I've actually heard a live concert recording of UAK's
(should be Amir, not Aamir, unless Salman is on tabla :-)) Adana where
he has used this song as his bandish. Which came first?
> Secondly I wonder if HFM has had any other songs based on Carnatic
> music (maybe "naa dir dim tana dere naa" by LM for Anil Biswas, also
This song would not qualify, it just has the beginnings of a Gaud
Sarang tarana and (IIRC) some "mridangam" in the rhythmic backing.
Don't know the Anuradha Paudwal song.
On S-J, I believe Shankar, having spent time in Andhra, was
knowledgeable about Carnatic music. There are definitely quite a few
Hindi film songs that make use of the "mridangam" played in Carnatic
style in the orchestration (and no, I don't mean "Ek Chatur Naar").
Sanjeev
Afzal A. Khan
I think the classical singer you are referring to
was the late Ustad Ameer Khan (not "Aamir").
IMHO, the "Pardesi" song "Na dir deem tana dere na"
was based on a Hindustani raag (GauR Sarang, perhaps ?).
Of course, there may be a Carnatic equivalent.
I think the three MDs cited by you deserve credit for
the respective songs. I think the film situation
where the song was to be "fitted" and basic choice
of the raag on which the composition was based were
all
decided by the Music Directors concerned. Of course,
the classical singers may have been consulted too.
For the rendition itself, the singers can be given all
the credit. Then again, the MDs may have had something
to do with the final "editing" of the song.
Another film where Shankar Jaikishan employed a Carnatic
intro (thillana again ?) was "New Delhi" (1956). It
occurs just before Lata/Vyjayanthimala launches into
that marvellous song : "Murli bairan bhayi..".
Afzal
shekhar
> > > Indian singer. Is it M L Vasanthakumaari??
>
> herself or by SJ.
In "Paavan ganga sar par" from S-J's Patrani, Lata sings "Dheem
dheem..." in the same meter but not in Malkauns; however the chorus
follow-up is in Malkauns identical to the MLV song. Both Chori Chori
and Patrani were 1956 movies, so it's difficult to tell if the Chori
Chori song came first and if any of it was MLV's; but Shankar was
definitely skilled in both Hindustani and Carnatic disciplines. Manna
Dey says most of Basant Bahar was his (Shankar's) input.
Regards
Shekhar
Ashok
>
>On S-J, I believe Shankar, having spent time in Andhra, was
>knowledgeable about Carnatic music.
What do you mean by "I believe"? You have read/heard?
Or are you speculating?
There are definitely quite a few
>Hindi film songs that make use of the "mridangam" played in Carnatic
>style in the orchestration (and no, I don't mean "Ek Chatur Naar").
>
>Sanjeev
Can you recollect a few of them?
Ashok
ajit
> > I am somehow curious to know whether this song was composed by MLV
> > herself or by SJ.
>
> My guess is that this is either MLV's or an older Carnatic
> composition.
>
> > I have similarly even wondered if it is justifiable to
> >
> > 1)credit Naushad for "shubhh din Ayo rE" & "prem jogan ban kE"
>
> I wonder the same thing about "Aaj Gaawat Man Mero" & "Tori Jai Jai
> Kartaar" from Baiju Bawra and "Daya Kar He Giridhar Gopal" from
> Shabaab. Incidentally, the maestros (Ustad Amir Khan and Pandit D.V.
> Paluskar) sing a brief clip of "Langar Kankariya Jina Maro" (a
> well-known traditional bandish) in "Todi" before "Aaj Gaawat".
Who has sung "dayA karo hE giridhar gOpAl" ??? I havent heard the song.
Also does "Ladki SahyAdri ki" have a Pandit Jasraaj song???
(Gosh I am causing a huge digression!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) )
> > 2)credit Vasant Desai for the title song of JJPB by Aamir khAn
>
> Not sure...I've actually heard a live concert recording of UAK's
> (should be Amir, not Aamir, unless Salman is on tabla :-)) Adana where
> he has used this song as his bandish. Which came first?
>
> > Secondly I wonder if HFM has had any other songs based on Carnatic
> > music (maybe "naa dir dim tana dere naa" by LM for Anil Biswas, also
>
> This song would not qualify, it just has the beginnings of a Gaud
> Sarang tarana and (IIRC) some "mridangam" in the rhythmic backing.
> Don't know the Anuradha Paudwal song.
The AP song is there on musicindiaonline.com - u may listen to it.
vsr...@mailandnews.com
>
>
> Also does "Ladki SahyAdri ki" have a Pandit Jasraaj song???
>
What does sahyadri mean?
There is doordarshan channel named after it, but that is in marathi
language.
-Rawat
Ket...@att.net
>There are definitely quite a few
>>Hindi film songs that make use of the "mridangam" played in Carnatic
>>style in the orchestration (and no, I don't mean "Ek Chatur Naar").
>>
>>Sanjeev
>Can you recollect a few of them?
"Tere naina talash kare jise" from Talash(SDB).
>Ashok
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> In article <5ed58637.01112...@posting.google.com>, sanj...@aol.comO says...
> >
>
> >On S-J, I believe Shankar, having spent time in Andhra, was
> >knowledgeable about Carnatic music.
>
> What do you mean by "I believe"? You have read/heard?
> Or are you speculating?
The former...don't remember the source though.
>
> There are definitely quite a few
> >Hindi film songs that make use of the "mridangam" played in Carnatic
> >style in the orchestration (and no, I don't mean "Ek Chatur Naar").
> >
> >Sanjeev
>
>
> Can you recollect a few of them?
"Mera Pyaar Bhi Tu Hai" - Saathi
"Tere Naina Talash" - Talash
"Qismat Se Tum" - Pukaar (not quite as prominent)
IIRC, the "Pardesi" song also has mridangam/tabla together.
Sanjeev
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> sanj...@aol.com (Sanjeev Ramabhadran) wrote in message news:<5ed58637.01112...@posting.google.com>...
> > Kartaar" from Baiju Bawra and "Daya Kar He Giridhar Gopal" from
> > Shabaab. Incidentally, the maestros (Ustad Amir Khan and Pandit D.V.
> > Paluskar) sing a brief clip of "Langar Kankariya Jina Maro" (a
> > well-known traditional bandish) in "Todi" before "Aaj Gaawat".
>
> Who has sung "dayA karo hE giridhar gOpAl" ??? I havent heard the song.
It's basically a Multani bandish in madhyalaya teentaal, used by
Naushad in the opening credits of the movie Shabab. Not sure where it
otherwise fits into the picture (plot significance, etc.) The singer
is once again Ustad Amir (Ameer) Khan.
Rajan Parrikar had included it in one of his musical posts. You can
hear it at:
http://www.parrikar.prohosting.com/janmasthami/amirkhan_shabab.ram
Or visit the www.sawf.org page, go to their music archives, and pull
up Rajan's post on Janmashtami.
Sanjeev
Afzal A. Khan
The original discussion related to Shankar Jaikishan.
So examples involving compositions by Naushad or SDB
are, strictly speaking, not quite relevant to the
first query. To revert to S-J, one can also cite
their compositions in "Suraj" (1965/6), particularly
the Bhairavi-based "Kaise samjhaaooN, baRe naasamajh
ho", where a Nadaswaram is used not only in the
orchestra but is also "wielded" by Rajendra Kumar
on the screen.
One friend queried about "Sahyadri". I am not
absolutely sure, but I think it refers to the
northern part of the Western Ghats.
Afzal
Abhay Phadnis
news:3C04F85C...@MailAndNews.com...
Sahyadri is the name of a mountain range in the Western Ghats.
Warm regards,
Abhay
>
> -Rawat
>
>
ajit
> In "Paavan ganga sar par" from S-J's Patrani, Lata sings "Dheem
> dheem..." in the same meter but not in Malkauns; however the chorus
> follow-up is in Malkauns identical to the MLV song. Both Chori Chori
> and Patrani were 1956 movies, so it's difficult to tell if the Chori
> Chori song came first and if any of it was MLV's; but Shankar was
> definitely skilled in both Hindustani and Carnatic disciplines. Manna
> Dey says most of Basant Bahar was his (Shankar's) input.
>
> Regards
> Shekhar
Are links to the Patrani songs available anywhere? BTW does RMIM have
an audio section where such songs are uploaded???
Another lovely song with tarana based on the same raaga - "hat hat hat
ja re natkhat piya" from Suvarnasundari by Lata and Sudha Malhotra.
Really terrific!!!
Surajit A. Bose
ajit...@hotmail.com (ajit) wrote:
> I have similarly even wondered if it is justifiable
> to
> 3)credit LP for the Raajan Saajan Mishra songs in Sur Sangam
>
Despite what HMV claims, the Sur Sangam songs are by Rajan Mishra alone.
According to Sajan Mishra, he too recorded a solo for the film, but it
wasn't used. It isn't on the CD either. Was it released on the LP,
perchance?
And Rajan Mishra does speak of the Sur Sangam songs as being LP's
compositions.
The Sur Sangam songs aren't very good, though; the best one is "prabhu
more avaguN chit naa dharo", sung by S Janaki, IIRC.
-s
ajit
Yes the S Janaki song is beautiful. So is her song in Nache Mayuri -
pag padam sangeet geet sargam.
However I liked "maika piya bulave" too.