Latest info about Haafiz Khan 'Mastana'
Jay
the bottom of this crux.
I got in touch with a well known Muslim friend who keeps tabs on all
the older film personalities. On Sat 5th instt around 6pm we decided
to personally meet the 'not-much-known singer/MD: Afzal Lahori, who
was residing at Mahim. On reaching there, her graduate daughter tpold
us that he had already passed away in Feb/2007 . I was stunned,but
definitely dissappointed. My friend chhered me up and took me further
deep inside narrow dark alleys and after some hectic search; around
10pm we finally spotted a 65 year-old elderly person, named Allah
Rakha (Z, sitting on the pavements. Totally white-haired,& unshavened,
he left arm was totally crippled. He was none other than the only SON
of Khan Mastana !!
( Did you observe the abundance of determination to find out in me at
any cost at my current age ? Thats the positive attitude, dear
friends . Not just ...dekhen-gey baad mein! )
I sat close to him on his torn chaarpoy introducing myself to him.
Seeing his state of health and the environmenmt, i decided to be very
brief and purposeful.My first question confirmed that his father's
name was Haafiz Khan. The nickname "Mastana' was conferred upon by
MD;Mirsahib. Also, his uncle was Abdul Aziz Khan, who later called
himself as Aziz Hindi. The great qawaal exponent, Bande Hassan was
another uncle of his. On criss-crossing him about any photographs, he
did say that his 'sister' (of Aziz Hindi) has a photograph of KM,Aziz
Khan & Bande Hassan clicked at Ahmedab during 1952, when they had been
there for some felicitation/function.
I deliberately did not ask him about Nurjahan or Zeenat. But one info
emerged automatically, that the singers were exponents in 'qawaali'.
The great sitar player, Raees Khan was very closely related to their
family.The second question i started with MERA SALAAM ('57). At once,
he shot back that its music was of his 'vaalid' ! HERE ALL MY DOUBTS
WERE CLEARED once and for all.
KHAN "MASTANA" was none other than HAAFIZ KHAN the music director of
ZEENAT('45) and HUMJOLI('46) .HNe was also the MD of MEHERBANI('50)
with lilting scores.
That solves all info sought about Hafez Khan / Khan Mastana.
Jay
6/1
Archisman Mozumder
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> (Did you observe the abundance of determination to find out in me at
> any cost at my current age ? Thats the positive attitude, dear
> friends . Not just ...dekhen-gey baad mein! )
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That is indeed a very laudable attitude. Many congratulations.
Regards.
Surjit Singh
Thank you very much. I will pass on this info to Har Mandir. If he sees
fit, he will include a comment regarding this in the next edition of
HFGK vol II.
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> Jay
> 6/1
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--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
naniwadekar
"Jay" wrote :
>
> ( Did you observe the abundance of determination to find
> out in me at any cost at my current age ?
>
You are not all that old, young man. People elder to you
by a decade or more run marathons.
>
> I deliberately did not ask him about Nurjahan or Zeenat. But one info
> emerged automatically, that the singers were exponents in 'qawaali'.
> The great sitar player, Raees Khan was very closely related to their
> family.The second question i started with MERA SALAAM ('57). At once,
> he shot back that its music was of his 'vaalid' ! HERE ALL MY DOUBTS
> WERE CLEARED once and for all.
>
> KHAN "MASTANA" was none other than HAAFIZ KHAN
> the music director of ZEENAT('45) and HUMJOLI('46) .
> He was also the MD of MEHERBANI('50)
> with lilting scores.
>
> That solves all info sought about Hafez Khan / Khan Mastana.
>
If this is the way you gather news and come to conclusions,
you are a useless source of information. Any decent researcher
would have asked the son whether his father had also scored
music for Zeenat and Humjoli.
As things stand, Hafiz Khan, MD of Zeenat and Humjoli, was
a different person than Hafiz Khan 'Mastana'. Which of these
two composed music of Mera Salaam (1957) may be open
to doubt.
- dn
naniwadekar
I had written :
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> As things stand, Hafiz Khan, MD of Zeenat and Humjoli, was
> a different person than Hafiz Khan 'Mastana'.
>
On second thoughts, I should have put it in stronger terms.
It is well-known that there were two different Hafiz Khan-s;
one scored music for Zeenat, the other scored music for a
few films and was better known as a singer. I know quite
a few persons who had met and talked to Khan Mastana.
There is no reason to believe that he scored music for
Zeenat. His association with the film, if any, would have
come to light through his own words before he died
around 1972.
Jayaraman started a thread about the two musicians with
the same name in late December 2007. Then in the first
week of January, he claims to have miraculously met
Khan Mastana's only son who settled that the two musicians
were the same person. It makes for a nice children's
'story' and should be treated only as a 'story'.
- dn
shri37
For God's sake will someone solve the mystery in simple words.
NanI Wadekar Believes they were two different people
Jay does not..actually With the self acclaimed abundance of
determination to find
out in him at any cost at his current age (70 75 80 ?) he has, he
should have asked simple question Which he says he "deliberately" did
not ask .WHY ? anyway those with lesser knowledge like would like to
know
WHO IS RIGHT ? ( I feel absence of kalaraji !)
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Hello dn:
I liked your 'dispute' over my above 'latest posting'.. I am
ready ..absolutely ready to take on you..But I have not yet finished
fully about the subject. I stiill have to show my 'trump card(s).
Before that can happen. let me see how much you can substantiate upon
your arguments.. You have stated "you know so many persons who have /
had met KM and researched many things . Please throw more light on
this statement. Name those people on this forum at once. Were those
journalists or music lovers. Are they still living today? If so,
please provide details. YOU MUST. Its imperative...for the sake of
cine music and not for anything else.How much do you personally know
about KM, the person,& his talents.All these are a must for me from
YOU, update my research.
I couild have asked so many things to Zaheer, but mind well: Zaheer is
KM's only son living on the pavements with no shelter. He also gets
'fits' now and then and is 'moody'.All these factors are also to be
borne in mind.He is a lay person despite being KM's son and ZEENAT
cxme in 1945 when Zaheer was just about 3-4 yrs .At that age even u ,I
or anyone know nothing. Looking back from todays distance of time, I;
as a passionate researcher want to get to the bottom of what I am
seeking. The same is not with you, 100%. You only want to
dispute .Thats your style.. You will not even able to identify KM's
voice on some of the filmy numbers I possess. Don't think me as
Dalwadi of Nagpur. I do research. to find out more-n-more of lil-
n.lil ! ( London bridge is a stone bridge, but all stone bridges are
not London bridge ! )
Over to you now.
Jay
6/1
irfan
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Hafeez Khan MD of Zeenat was a Sarangi Player, He palyed Sarangi in
many films. I wrote an anecdote regarding him, Khurshid Anwar and
Sajjad Husain during the rehearsals of song of film Kudmai(1941) in
one of my posts in 2002.
Regards,
Irfan
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What dou mean by ANY DECENT RESEARCHER?
Whom are you referring to? Which researcher(s) ? Name them for
instance.
What type of "research' ?
Come on, I am going to grill you thoroughly,left and right, top to
bottom. You too can from now on. I may have stated so many things in
the past.I might have erred too ignorantly,lacking info/evidence. Its
quite natural with everyone. So, is that your grouse?
See me as a 'selfless sewak' of BCSP...not as 'matlabi Jay'
I had asked Prof earlier a question as to whether he has seen ZEENAT
('45) and whether he can read HINDI? The same questions I am repeating
them to you !
I have stated already that I have still two trump cards.
Jay
6/1
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Hello dn:
What makes you feel / think that MD: Hafiz Khan of ZEENZT / HUMJOLI
was a DIFFERENT person than HKM.
DIFFERENT in what sense. Have you any knowledge / info about the REAL
Hafiz Khan who gave a musical block buster like ZEENAT and went into
oblivion immdtly without the thence Bollywood fraternity knowing
anything about him? Is it possible? What does your logic conclude ?
Let me give you a 'clue'.
MD: Mirsahib, was a very very popular MD of the 30s / early 40s. He
loved the young talented Hafiz Khan so much, that he not only nick-
named him 'Mastana' but even took him along whereever he went.Do you
know what this means.??Even the boss of Minerva Movietone: Sohrab Modi
was highly impressed of the young artiste authenticated by Mirsahib.
Don't forget this part of the research about KM.
Over to you now.
Jay
6/1
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS STATEMENT OF MINE - Yes or NO ?
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OK Irfanjee:
How many films this sarangi player gave music? Only two(2) ? .Do you
logically think it possible for the already popular Producer/director
Shaukat Hussain to sign in an 'unknown entity Hafiz Khan as music
director for his first Nurjahan starer ZEENAT in 1942/43 ? Think well
and reply'
What was that anecdote you had written ? These things have no value,
Irfan. And who told you all thiese things. Your uncle or your father?
Maybe, perhaps your uncle.Remember: Uncle giving info & The MD giving
info are two different entities for a researcher like me.
Now let me tell you this info:
In my numerous rapports with MD: Jnan Dutt before his demise, during
conversing, he used to tell me that Bashir Dehlvi was his 'sarangi
player'. At that time. I did not pay much importance / value to that.
But NOW; I understand and conclude that Bashir Dehlvi was also a a
very talented music composer. I have a no.of his records in my library
in support of my statement. Likewise; do you.
Sirf bolne sey kuchh nahi hota ? Samjhe Irfanjee.
Jay
6/1
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You seem to have lost your head . Read this artcle by
Nalin Shah - do you prove him wrong ?
http://www.studio-systems.com/Playback&Fastforward/PlayBack/1987/MARCH/28mar.htm
There were few news papers which published
a one sentence news about the death of KM .more then 30 years ago .
Search the archives and see how many times over the past 6 years
you have raised such silly queiries about KM - HK .
Stop it now , enough is enough .
s
naniwadekar
"=BCSP=" <sjhhhtm at yahoo.com> wrote :
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> Over to you now.
> Jay
6/1
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Dear Shri Jayaraman : You are a very knowledgeable and passionate
person and I respect you for the qualities. But your ego often leads
you into sloppy methods of research.
So far you have not made any point about Zeenat which warrants
discussion. If you make a good point, I will surely respond. Please
note that it is not enough for you to declare something to be
a 'trump card' if it fails to convince me. I will continue to follow
this thread but will remain silent if you just post more and more
of the same old rehashed stuff.
- dn
Jay
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Prof Saab:
Please do not EARN a name for you as a 'prompter'. I have already
told you a no.of times in the past that HH has not impressed me.
Well: thats the way I see it irrespective of what others say.
If, despite my advice YOU prompt him or If I come to know of that, i
will squarely blame you. If at all HH is interested , let him
communicate with me by email / letter /phone as he finds fit.
Kindly desist from your personal involvement in this regard.
Jay
6/1
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Jay
>
> There were few news papers which published
> a one sentence news about the death of KM .more then 30 years ago .
>
> Search the archives and see how many times over the past 6 years
> you have raised such silly queiries about KM - HK .
>
> Stop it now , enough is enough .
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Ha ha ha...are you talking about Nalin Shah ?
What an ignorant chap you are ! You are very much in tha dark.
gentleman and still groping in there.
If anyone writes umpteen no. of articles on and off on film music in
newspapers or magazines :
Do you construe this as something 'great' or that writer knows
everything?
Please answer my question to the point ?
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Jay
8/1
Jay
No Nani:
Tou have to respond to my requests I have raised. I have placed before
you on this forum certain data .If you / or anyone disagree, please
respond with your version by providing your relevant side. But, you
have not complied with the data i have asked...and you keep asking
from me more. Unless you provide me your relevant part of info, how
can I proceed further.
May be I have erred... i said may be. But first your data must come
in.before I pronounce my error, for a balanced judgement. ARE YOU
READY to provide ? Alternatively, come down to BCSP on any Sunday and
we can have face2face jugalbandi, Are you ready for this? But come
prepared with your documents.Also remember, Nalin Shah or Ambarish
Mishra, who write so much and dole them out to readers like you and
others do it just to fill in the columns. Who is going to question
them for their errors? And do you think they respond or care / bother
to respond ?
Jay
8/1
Jay
8/1
Jay
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> - Show quoted text -
I am waiting for that anectode of 2002 which you had posted. You may
please re-send it on this forum or to my email. Let me go through that
first on priority.
Jay
8/1
Jay
allowable to say so, and still less to say this is the way of the
philosopher's stone. But we say that the literal meaning is not the true
meaning, because the prophets have themselves said so.
688. I do not say that the mem is mystical.
689. Moses (Deut. 30) Promises that God will circumcise their heart to
render them capable of loving Him.
690. One saying of David, or of Moses, as for instance that "God will
circumcise the heart," enables us to judge of their spirit. If all their
other expressions were ambiguous and left us in doubt whether they were
philosophers or Christians, one saying of this kind would in fact determine
all the rest, as one sentence of Epictetus decides the meaning of all the
rest to be the opposite. So far ambiguity exists, but not afterwards.
691. If one of two persons, who are telling silly stories, uses language
with a double meaning, understood in his own circle, while the other uses it
with only one meaning, any one not in the secret, who hears them both talk
in this manner, will pass upon them the same judgment. But, if, afterwards,
in the rest of their conversation one says angelic things, and the other
always dull commonplaces, he will judge that the one spoke in mysteries, and
not the other; the one having sufficiently shown that he is incapable of
such foolishness and capable of being mysterious; and the other that he is
incapable of mystery and capable of foolishness.
The Old Testament is a cipher.
692. There are some that see clearly that man has no other enemy than lust,
which turns him from God, and not God; and that he has no other good than
God, and not a rich land. Let those who believe that the good of man is in
the flesh, and evil in what turns him away from sensual pleasures, satiate
themselves with them, and die in them. But let those who
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of those who assert that of the Seventy, which shows that the Scripture is
holy.
Therefore, if this account be true, we have what we want therein; if not, we
have it elsewhere. And thus those who would ruin the truth of our religion,
founded on Moses, establish it by the same authority by which they attack
it. So by this providence it still exists.
635. Chronology of Rabbinism. (The citations of pages are from the book
Pugio.)
Page 27. R. Hakadosch (anno 200), author of the Mischna, or vocal law, or
second law.
Commentaries on the Mischna (anno 340): The one Siphra.
Barajetot.
Talmud Hierosol.
Tosiphtot.
Bereschit Rabah, by R. Osaiah Rabah, commentary on the Mischna.
Bereschit Rabah, Bar Naconi, are subtle and pleasant discourses, historical
and theological. This same author wrote the books called Rabot.
A hundred years after the Talmud Hierosol was composed the Babylonian
Talmud, by R. Ase, A.D. 440, by the universal consent of all the Jews, who
are necessarily obliged to observe all that is contained therein.
The addition of R. Ase is called the Gemara, that is to say, the commentary
on the Mischna.
And the Talmud includes together the Mischna and the Gemara.
636. If does not indicate indifference: Malachi, Isaiah.
Isaiah, Si volumus, etc.
In quacumque die.[115]
637. Prophecies.--The sceptre was not interrupted by the captivity in
Babylon, because the return was promised and foretold.
638. Proofs of Jesus Christ.--Captivity, with the assurance of deliverance
within seventy years, was not real captivity. But now they are captives
without any hope.
God has promised them that, even though He should scatter them to the ends
of the earth, nevertheless, if they were faithful to His law, He would
assemble them together again. They are very faithful to it and remain
oppressed.
639. When Nebuc
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by the power of His grace, to which all the glory of it is due, as of myself
I have only misery and error.
551. Dignior plagis quam osculis non timeo quia amo.[94]
552. The Sepulchre of Jesus Christ.--Jesus Christ was dead, but seen on the
Cross. He was dead, and hidden in the Sepulchre.
Jesus Christ was buried by the saints alone.
Jesus Christ wrought no miracle at the Sepulchre.
Only the saints entered it.
It is there, not on the Cross, that Jesus Christ takes a new life.
It is the last mystery of the Passion and the Redemption.
Jesus Christ had nowhere to rest on earth but in the Sepulchre. His enemies
only ceased to persecute Him at the Sepulchre.
553. The Mystery of Jesus.--Jesus suffers in His passions the torments which
men inflict upon Him; but in His agony He suffers the torments which He
inflicts on himself; turbare semetipsum.95 This is a suffering from no
human, but an almighty hand, for He must be almighty to bear it.
Jesus seeks some comfort at least in His three dearest friends, and they are
asleep. He prays them to bear with Him for a little, and they leave Him with
entire indifference, having so little compassion that it could not prevent
their sleeping even for a moment. And thus Jesus was left alone to the wrath
of God.
Jesus is alone on the earth, without any one not only to feel and share His
suffering, but even to know of it; He and Heaven were alone in that
knowledge.
Jesus is in a garden, not of delight as the first Adam, where he lost
himself and the whole human race, but in one of agony, where He saved
himself and the whole human race.
He suffers this affliction and this desertion in the horror of night.
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that they raise so many objections to us out of the passages of the Fathers
which assert it. Finally, they deny the presence; and in this they are
heretics.
3rd example: Indulgences.
The shortest way, therefore, to prevent heresies is to instruct in all
truths; and the surest way to refute them is to declare them all. For what
will the heretics say?
In order to know whether an opinion is a Father's...
863. All err the more dangerously, as they each follow a truth. Their fault
is not in following a falsehood, but in not following another truth.
864. Truth is so obscure in these times, and falsehood so established, that,
unless we love the truth, we cannot know it.
865. If there is ever a time in which we must make profession of two
opposite truths, it is when we are reproached for omitting one. Therefore
the Jesuits and Jansenists are wrong in concealing them, but the Jansenists
more so, for the Jesuits have better made profession of the two.
866. Two kinds of people make things equal to one another, as feasts to
working days, Christians to priests, all things among them, etc. And hence
the one party conclude that what is then bad for priests is also so for
Christians, and the other that what is not bad for Christians is lawful for
priests.
867. If the ancient Church was in error, the Church is fallen. If she should
be in error to-day, it is not the same thing; for she has always the
superior maxim of tradition from the hand of the ancient Church; and so this
submission and this conformity to the ancient Church prevail and correct
all. But the ancient Church did not assume the future Church and did not
consider her, as we assume and consider the ancient.
868. That wh
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"And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren,
even the seed of Ephraim." (Rejected for ever.) "Therefore pray not for this
people."
Jer. 7:22: "What avails it you to add sacrifice to sacrifice? For I spake
not unto your fathers, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt,
concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. But this thing commanded I them,
saying, Obey and be faithful to my commandments, and I will be your God, and
ye shall be my people." (It was only after they had sacrificed to the golden
calf that I gave myself sacrifices to turn into good an evil custom.)
Jer. 7:4: "Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the Lord, the
temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, are these."
714. The Jews witnesses for God. Is. 43:9; 44:8. Prophecies fulfilled.--I
Kings 13:2. I Kings 22:16. Joshua 6:26. I Kings 16:34. Deut. 23.
Malachi 1:11. The sacrifice of the Jews rejected, and the sacrifice of the
heathen, (even out of Jerusalem,) and in all places.
Moses, before dying, foretold the calling of the Gentiles, Deut. 32:21. and
the reprobation of the Jews.
Moses foretold what would happen to each tribe.
Prophecy.--"Your name shall be a curse unto mine elect, and I will give them
another name."
"Make their heart fat," and how? by flattering their lust and making them
hope to satisfy it.
715. Prophecy.--Amos and Zechariah. They have sold the just one, and
therefore will not be recalled. Jesus Christ betrayed.
They shall no more remember Egypt. See Is. 43:16, 17, 18, 19. Jer. 23:6, 7.
Prophecy.--The Jews shall be scattered abroad. Is. 27:6. A new law, Jerem.
31:32.
Malachi. Grotius. The second temple glorious. Jesus Christ will come. Haggai
2:7, 8, 9, 10.
The calling of the Gentiles. Joel 2:28. Hosea 2:24. Deut. 32:21. Malachi
1:11.
716. Hosea 3.--Is. 42. 48. 44. 60. 61. last verse. "I foretold it long since
that they might know that it is I." Jaddus to Alexander.
maheshks
More information about Hafeez khan mastana and Aziz Khan can be had
from his internet site http://www.shahidparvezkhan.com/gharana.html
Those who want to see young H Khan mastana live
here he is singing :
hum apne dard ka kissa suaae jaate hain...
actor, singer and music director h khan mastana in muqabla (1942)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz2DlpLUwM&feature=related
here is a another gazal sung by h khan mastana. It is picturised on
Yakub. :
mujrim hoon muhabbat ka jo chaahe saja dena....muqabla (1942)
naniwadekar
>
> The noted sitarist shahid parvez is son of Aziz Khan (Aziz Hindi).
> More information about Hafeez khan mastana and Aziz Khan can be had
> from his internet site http://www.shahidparvezkhan.com/gharana.html
>
The website says : "Aziz Khansaab's taking up (film) music as
a profession did not go down well with his father." Long
before Wahid (or Waheed) Khan made his displeasure
known to his son Aziz, presumably in mid or late 1940s,
singer Hafiz Khan Mastana had known how his father
would react to his involvement with film music and wanted
to hide the association from his father. It was (partly or
wholly) due to this reason that he took the name 'Khan
Mastana', in 1938-39, when Mir Sahab started called
him 'Mastana' because of his ebullient nature when he
sang his first song for a film. It was much later than Khan
Mastana's father came to know that the famous singer was
none other than his own son. An article was published on
Khan Mastana in Listeners' Bulletin long ago. Vocalist Hafiz
Khan 'Mastana' died in extreme poverty in 1972-73.
Sarangiya Hafiz Khan, MD of Zeenat, moved to UK. He
was still alive in 1999/2000, and Shri Kamalakar Pasupuleti
knew some music-lovers who had met the composer near
London. If any significant info about him comes to light,
I will post it here. It is a fair guess that it was he who scored
the music of Meherbani (1950, it has two lovely Lata-Talat
duets) and Mera Salaam (1957, features an all-time great
Talat gem 'har shaam shaam-e-gham hai') as well.
- dn
Jay
> > The noted sitarist shahid parvez is son of Aziz Khan (Aziz Hindi).
> > More information about Hafeez khan mastana and Aziz Khan can be had
>
> The website says : "Aziz Khansaab's taking up (film) music as
> a profession did not go down well with his father." Long
> before Wahid (or Waheed) Khan made his displeasure
> known to his son Aziz, presumably in mid or late 1940s,
> singer Hafiz Khan Mastana had known how his father
> would react to his involvement with film music and wanted
> to hide the association from his father. It was (partly or
> wholly) due to this reason that he took the name 'Khan
> Mastana', in 1938-39, when Mir Sahab started called
> him 'Mastana' because of his ebullient nature when he
> sang his first song for a film. It was much later than Khan
> Mastana's father came to know that the famous singer was
> none other than his own son. An article was published on
> Khan Mastana in Listeners' Bulletin long ago. Vocalist Hafiz
> Khan 'Mastana' died in extreme poverty in 1972-73.
>
> Sarangiya Hafiz Khan, MD of Zeenat, moved to UK. He
> was still alive in 1999/2000, and Shri Kamalakar Pasupuleti
> knew some music-lovers who had met the composer near
> London. If any significant info about him comes to light,
> I will post it here. It is a fair guess that it was he who scored
> the music of Meherbani (1950, it has two lovely Lata-Talat
> duets) and Mera Salaam (1957, features an all-time great
> Talat gem 'har shaam shaam-e-gham hai') as well.
>
> - dn
Wonderful Nani ! Kudos !
I lose ... ya...I lose to you. I am thrilled to hear-n-read this
info .
Jay
12/1
naniwadekar
"Jay" <sjh...@gmail.com> wrote :
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> Wonderful Nani ! Kudos !
>
Thanks, SJ. I am glad I could supply some info to you. I have
learned a lot from your rmim posts and emails. I am happy
I could do something in return.
I am curious about your two trump cards. Please play them
because this is not a game which one wants to be 'over'.
Perhaps they will lead to some information or discussion
of some good music.
- dn
On Jan 11, 10:28 pm, "naniwadekar" wrote:
>
> none other than his own son. An article was published on
> Khan Mastana in Listeners' Bulletin long ago. Vocalist Hafiz
> Khan 'Mastana' died in extreme poverty in 1972-73.
>
> Sarangiya Hafiz Khan, MD of Zeenat, moved to UK. He
> was still alive in 1999/2000, and Shri Kamalakar Pasupuleti
> knew some music-lovers who had met the composer near
> London.
>
irfan
>
Shri Jay you met Khan Mastana's son. Did you ask him
all these questions which you have put on RMIM?
Did you ask him where was he(son) when his father died
begging at a dargah?
Are you sure that person is Khan Mastana'son ?
Did you ask him to prove this fact?
Regards,
Irfan
naniwadekar
"irfan" <kianwar06 at yahoo.com> wrote :
>
Shri Jay you met Khan Mastana's son. Did you ask him
all these questions which you have put on RMIM?
Did you ask him where was he(son) when his father died
begging at a dargah?
Are you sure that person is Khan Mastana'son ?
Did you ask him to prove this fact?
Once a person approached Naushad and asked him whether
Naushad recognized him. He didn't. He said he was Jhande
Khan's son. Later somebody claimed that Jhande Khan
only had two daughters and no son at all. Do you have any
similar info or reason to doubt that Jayaraman met Khan
Mastana's son? If Jayaraman's friend 'who keeps tab on
old film personalities' is a trustworthy source, why should
J doubt that he was being introduced to Khan Mastana's
son? When Professor Surjit Singh introduced you to RMIM
as Khurshid Anwar's son, did anybody ask him or you
to prove your relation with Khurshid Anwar?
I don't think anybody would ask Kahn Mastana's son what
he was doing when his father died during the very first visit,
considering that the circumstance of Khan Mastana's death
(in extreme poverty) is something his family may not like
to discuss. By the way, one of Khan Mastana's relatives
lived in Hyderabad. He said he and other relatives avoided
contact with Khan Mastana because the artist's fame and
wealth had gone to his head. Khan Mastana lavishly and
foolishly spent all the money he had and had to face trying
times later because of his profligacy.
- dn
Jay
I still have a cutting (xerox copy) of the Hindi interview of Madhup
Sharma of MADHURI mag issue of 1969. The letterings are very small
But the interviewer seems a very lay persom without any prior
knowledge of KM. But in the interview KM mentions the fact that
Zaheer (Allah Rakha presently known as) was crippled 13-14 yrs
since. Also Zaheer has a sister,Yasmin, who is very sad/dissapointed
as her husband has left her. KM mentions all these.
Allah Rakha confirms the above info to me says Yasmin died years ago
leaving behind a son and daughter ( I think) and are staying at
Bharatnagar. He also said that the photograph I was desperately
seeking of KM & Aziz Khan to adorn the walls of my music room were
at that place.
Anyway, I will be making another trip shortly to meet Allah Rakha and
this time I will relate him about Shahid Pervez.Khan.,
Letd see.
Jay
13/1
Jay
Nani:
Has Ustad Aziz Khan ( KM's younger brother) rendered any film songs in
his voice though he too was a vocalist !
Jay
13/1
Surjit Singh
naniwadekar wrote:
> "irfan" <kianwar06 at yahoo.com> wrote :
> Shri Jay you met Khan Mastana's son. Did you ask him
> all these questions which you have put on RMIM?
> Did you ask him where was he(son) when his father died
> begging at a dargah?
> Are you sure that person is Khan Mastana'son ?
> Did you ask him to prove this fact?
>> ---------------------
>
> Once a person approached Naushad and asked him whether
> Naushad recognized him. He didn't. He said he was Jhande
> Khan's son. Later somebody claimed that Jhande Khan
> only had two daughters and no son at all. Do you have any
> similar info or reason to doubt that Jayaraman met Khan
> Mastana's son? If Jayaraman's friend 'who keeps tab on
> old film personalities' is a trustworthy source, why should
> J doubt that he was being introduced to Khan Mastana's
> son? When Professor Surjit Singh introduced you to RMIM
> as Khurshid Anwar's son, did anybody ask him or you
> to prove your relation with Khurshid Anwar?
For the sake of record and for the benefit of newcomers, let me state
that within a short time after Irfan was introduced to me by Har Mandir
Singh (an extremely reliable source) as Khurshid Anwwar's son, he
showered me with rare anecdotes, audio, video and printed material about
his father, material that has found its place on my website and material
that has been distributed to RMIMeet attendees everywhere.
>
> I don't think anybody would ask Kahn Mastana's son what
> he was doing when his father died during the very first visit,
> considering that the circumstance of Khan Mastana's death
> (in extreme poverty) is something his family may not like
> to discuss. By the way, one of Khan Mastana's relatives
> lived in Hyderabad. He said he and other relatives avoided
> contact with Khan Mastana because the artist's fame and
> wealth had gone to his head. Khan Mastana lavishly and
> foolishly spent all the money he had and had to face trying
> times later because of his profligacy.
>
>
> - dn
>
>
>
--
shri37
>
so the dispute is settled.
Music Director Hafiz Khan and Singer Music director Hafiz "
Khan"(zeenat fame)
are two dirrent people .
Thank youi Nani-Brilliant
and Thank you Jay it was because of you that truth camed out.
all well that ends well.
Surjit Singh
Excellent! Lots of emails and other hard work went into "proving" what
was known to the readers of Har Mandir's Listeners's Bulletin in
November 1979! Now let us do the needed legwork to prove that Shankar
Jaikishan were two people :) Some people who know this fact may still be
alive and be willing to be interviewed :)
naniwadekar
>
> shri37 wrote:
> > so the dispute is settled.
> > Music Director Hafiz Khan and Singer Music director Hafiz "
> > Khan"(zeenat fame) are two dirrent people .
>
Sigh! After all the Ramayan!! Singer - Music Director Hafiz Khan
'Mastana' has nothing to do wth Zeenat.
"Surjit Singh" <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote :
>
> Excellent! Lots of emails and other hard work went into
> "proving" what > was known to the readers of Har Mandir's
> Listeners's Bulletin in November 1979!
>
You can't blame Jayaraman for dragging Hamraaz in every
discussion if you do the same. Let's see : 28 years after
that bulletin came out, Harish Raghuvanshi, you and Jayaraman
went on record on rmim that the two Hafiz Khan-s were
the same person. But I had clear memory that Hamraaz and
KP knew them to be different and it tallied with my own info.
Jayaraman had posted in 2001 that there were two Kalyani-s,
one more famous for her ghazals (Zeenat, Ghar Ki Laaj),
and the other as Kamal Dasgupta's favourite singer. Hamraaz
did not know this. But KP confirmed it, and it is clear upon
hearing the two voices as well.
While Hamraaz is a highly reliable source, this field is so
vast that everybody is bound to make mistakes or lack
information. I am ready to receive information whichever
the source. And once one learns how Jayaraman's ego
may mislead him at times, one also learns how and when
to take him seriously and what vast knowledge he has.
- dn
shri37
> > shri37 wrote:
> > > so the dispute is settled.
> > > Music Director Hafiz Khan and Singer Music director Hafiz "
> > > Khan"(zeenat fame) are two dirrent people .
>
> Sigh! After all the Ramayan!! Singer - Music Director Hafiz Khan
> 'Mastana' has nothing to do wth Zeenat.
Hundred times sorry ,Nani.
so the dispute is settled.
Music Director Hafiz Khan (ZEENAT fame)and Singer /Music director
Hafiz "Mastana"Khan" are two different people.
OK.
raj...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hello Jay - Please answer clearly .
Who solved the issue ?
Is it Nani / Pasupuleti ?
I am confused .
r
Jay
>
> - Show quoted text -
Both equally & you too for asking so eagerly !
Jay
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