FINALLY my guess factor on Saregamapa remains intact !!! almost all the
times I have guessed the winner right before the contest !!!!!
KCP
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2006/feb/24debojit1.htm
Debojit wins Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge!
rediff Entertainment Bureau | February 24, 2006 22:35 IST
I don't believe in winning or losing," said Debojit Saha earlier today.
He no longer has a choice.
The 29-year old from Silchar, Assam, has won Zee TV's Sa Re Ga Ma Pa
Challenge 2005, beating 17-year old Vinit Singh in a closely fought and
much-watched contest.
Debojit, a civil engineer by profession, came to Mumbai three years ago
to pursue a career in singing. He says it was his wife who played an
instrumental role in making sure he stuck to his agenda. Assam voted in
full force, but the rest of the nation appears to have chipped in as
well, considering tonight's results.
Another interesting thing the winner said earlier was how he wanted to
be a common man all his life. Tough luck, Debojit. You're famous!
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http://in.rediff.com/movies/2006/feb/24debojit.htm
'I don't believe in winning or losing'
Patcy N | February 24, 2006
Born in Silchar, Assam, Debojit Saha came to Mumbai three years ago to
pursue a career in singing. The 29-year old, who is a civil engineer
and works in the Public Works Department, is now the apple of the
nation's eye. He seems set to win Zee TV's Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge in
tonight's finals.
The only reason he is in Mumbai, he says, is his wife. On the eve of
the grand finale, he speaks to Patcy N about his passion for music, his
experiences at the contest and more.
"I have two elder brothers and sisters. My mother, who dreamt of me
becoming a singer, is no more. When I was in class six, I was
interested in drawing. But, whenever I had to draw, I needed music in
the background. I don't know when I lost interest in drawing and music
became my passion. After school, I began doing local shows. I
auditioned for radio and television and was selected.
As I am Bengali, I am inspired by Rabindra sangeet. I have learnt a lot
from old Hindi songs too. I am a big fan of Kishoreda (Kumar) and
always sing his songs. My favourite song, however, is Ai Zindagi Gale
Laga Le from Sadma, sung by Suresh Wadkar. Listening to them all, I
have formed my own style.
I married Bandana Paul three years ago. She insisted that we settle in
Mumbai. My wife is a fashion designer and, before we were married, she
worked in Delhi while I was in Assam. It was a love marriage. We
connected with each other because of music. We met at a function and
started going to each other's houses. Though there was nothing between
us when we met, we gradually started liking each other. My wife is a
classical singer too, and she liked my singing.
I proposed to her in 2001. After marriage, everything in my life
changed. I never thought I would leave my government job and come to
Mumbai ever. But my wife was ambitious and always thought of coming and
making it big here. After our marriage, she forgot her career and
started taking an interest in mine. We left Assam and came to Mumbai.
We had to struggle a lot for the first six months, until she got a job.
It has been almost three and half years since I came here. I tried
searching for a job too, but my wife told me that doing anything apart
from singing made no sense as we had left everything to come to Mumbai.
So, getting a singing assignment was a one-point program. She was very
supportive. After my parents, if there is anyone who has changed and
influenced my life, it is Bandana.
I started working with Pritam Chakraborty as his assistant. I joined
him to learn the ways of the industry. I got offers to sing for serials
like Kyun Hota Hai Pyar, Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi, Bhabhi and
Saath Phere Saloni Ka Safar. I also sang a scratch of a song for Pritam
(sung before the lyrics and tune are finalised). It was for a movie
called Sayaad that was never made.
My music guru in Mumbai, Askaran Sharma, insisted I take part in all
competitions. I never participated because I thought I couldn't sing in
any competition. I come from a very small town and was scared to face
huge crowds.
For the Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge 2005, we were all staying in a
bungalow in Jogeshwari. But as I had a house close by, I would
sometimes go home. I am a bit of an introvert and don't speak much. At
the same time, I am friendly with everyone. I was very close to Nihira
and Paresh.
smail Durbar and I got very emotional the day he tied a gaanda (the
thread tied around a student's wrist by his teacher) on my hand. But I
was still not that free with him. I was very scared of him. As the
number of contestants decreased, we started getting closer. He also
started feeling confident about me. I started going to his house very
often. He scolds trained singers when they make mistake and we were
just amateurs in front of him. He is an instrumentalist. And they are
very sharp. Even if we were to make the slightest mistake, he would
catch it and yell at us. He was very adamant that we work well.
I remember the day I sang Humma from the film Bombay. He came and
kissed me because it was a big change in my singing style. After that,
I sang all kinds of songs by all kinds of singers.
Sa Re Ga Ma was a very educative journey for me. I have learnt a lot --
how to appear on stage, choreography, how to face the media. When I was
pulled in this ULFA controversy, I was not that upset. But when my
fellow contestants walked out, I felt very bad because I had always
treated them like brothers and sisters. But I have forgiven them all.
I don't believe in winning or losing. All the finalists were good. We
got tremendous support from the audience. Now, we are above winning or
losing. I would say my audience's love is more important to me than
winning or losing.
I loved my stage performance in Kolkata, which I did recently. Not
because I am a Bengali, but because it is a musical city. I never
thought I would be so well received in Delhi.
I have received mail from supporters around the world, but I still
don't feel like a star. I don't want that feeling to ever come to me. I
have always been a common man and would like to stay that way. I have
not changed at all. The only thing is I get too many calls and people
have started recognising me. I still dress the same way and eat the
same food. I have started travelling by car more though. Earlier, it
was by bus or train.
Yesterday, I travelled by train and it was a great feeling I had to go
to Vikram Phadnis' showroom for a costume trial and I was getting late
so I went by train. Half the crowd went mad seeing me. Some couldn't
believe it was me. Others wanted me to speak on their cell phones to
their brothers, mothers, sisters and fianc?s. It was great. I always
want to be among the common people. I don't want to stay alone all by
myself.
I have recently sung a song for Ismail Durbar. I have also got a song
from Pritam Chakraborty. Sanjay Leela Bhansali has also told me to sing
a song for his next movie. Subhash Ghai liked my voice, so I might get
an offer from him. I have also got lots of offers from Kolkata and
Assam, for private albums and films.
Assam's Pride has now become India's Voice. YalGHaar ho !!
Afzal
Great news. I should record HR's face when the result was announced.
I can watch it, when I am down and when I need a good laugh.
*ab* kis se jang baaqi hai?
-UVR.
"Zindagi har qadam ik nayee jang hai" !
YalGHaar ho !!
Afzal
Great news. I should record HR's face when the result was announced.
I can watch it, when I am down and when I need a good laugh.
********
They all knew it well in advance, as soon as the total votes from each
region were announced. West zone had a total of only 70+ lakh votes
cast in, compared to over 2 crores from the East zone. And the article
on rediff was already on the net well over an hour before the actual
results werre announced.
On a side note, let us now discuss about the future of the program
itself. The pomp and show with which this contest culminated after 8
months, it will be difficult for Gajendra Singh & Co. to duplicate,
let alone better their accomplishment. Also, unless Shaan is under
contract with the producers of the show for xx period to come, he (or
for that matter any other singer) would hate to be the host and create
their own competition - they have had to struggle so much to get a foot
established in the industry and now we have a few persons (I would
include the final 6 to 10) who have gained nationwide fame and
recognition (not that they have not had to struggle).
Is the program going to continue on the old format, or the new format
(SA Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge 2006, etc.), or is it going to continue at
all?
It would be interesting to hear different views on the subject.
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
> "Zindagi har qadam ik nayee jang hai" !
>
Oh. I was not aware that this song was Jihaadi's anthem.
> YalGHaar ho !!
muqaabalaa ho !!
>
>
>
> Afzal
--
Zee has pretty much announced what they will do:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=sa+re&btnG=Search+News
Why would Shaan not prefer to host SRGMP next year?. This is a
splendid steady job for him. He must be getting paid a princely sum for
basically being a cheerleader. I'm sure most playback singers would
give an arm and a leg to be in his position. Instead of fighting
political battles and grovelling before crass producers and music
directors for opportunitites, they have a steady source of very good
income + fame + opportunities to sing playback anyway. The same
reasons made a lot of big screen actors migrate to the soap opera
industry.:-)
Cheers
Arun
woh to Theek hai, magar *kis se*? :-)
And congratulations to the fans of Vinit :-) Doesn't his having
not won mean that he's not shackled in the 'you must sing for
Zee and or SaReGaMa-HMV only' contractual obligations?
Light hearted banter apart, I personally liked Debojit singing
Ismail-Darbar's-composition-for-Debojit better than Vinit singing
Himesh-Reshammiya's-tune-for-Vinit. I did NOT like the fact that
*EVERY* single singer lipsynched all their songs. The only one
who actually seemed like she as lipsynching but also singing for
real was Nihira.
-UVR.
The worst lip-syncher was Vinit himself. In Dia Mirza's performance,
Vinit missed quite a few of Rafi's expressions like "Hai", etc. Rajiv
went jumping around while he was singing at a high pitch. Nihira/Debo
when they were climbing down the stairs were perfect in the initial
sequence of that song "Aao na", which was hard to believe. It takes only
a recording to get the perfect. I was expecting someone to trip and fall
down, but still maintain a perfect pitch :).
As regards your comment (with the smiley), I would refer you
to Abhijeet's remarks during the programme, when he said that
the winner will be on his own --- no amount of 'feet-touching'
is going to help him etc. This is a cruel industry. Now,
Debojit will have to work really hard to become a saleable
playback singer. Unfortunately, we seem to have a large chunk
of new music which is of a very boisterous nature, which may not
be Debojit's forte. Nevertheless, the contract and the
"shaandaar" flat are bound to come in handy.
You must have seen from earlier threads that I always "preferred"
D to V. The latter has a rather screechy voice, while D sounds
far more pleasant. So I am naturally happy that D won.
However, on a serious note, I have a feeling that the final tally
was rigged or doctored by the organizers to show that it was a
very close, neck-to-neck contest till the end. Here are the
"Total Vote" statistics; I hope I remember them correctly :
East Zone 3.00 crores
North Zone 1.56 crores
West Zone 0.71 crores
South Zone 0.21 crores
---------------
Total Votes 5.48 crores
Out of these votes, Debojit secured 2.77 crores, while Vineet
got 2.72 crores, the difference being just 4.59 lakh votes.
Now consider this scenario : Let us assume that ALL votes from
North, West and South Zones were cast in favour of Vineet, with
not a single vote going to Debojit. That makes a total of some
2.48 crore votes, which is still short of Vineet's final tally
by some 24 lakhs. In other words, V got that many (24 lakh)
votes from East Zone.
But that is an extreme case scenario. I am sure Debojit got
a few lakh votes from the other three Zones as well. That would
mean that Vineet got, say, about 40-45 lakh votes at least from
East Zone. Here comes the rub. I doubt that there were that
many Vineet supporters in the East Zone. For the last about two
months, the East Zone voting was being done strictly on a
parochial basis. Of course, the ZEETV people or the organizers
have not and will not reveal the zone-wise count of the two
contestants. But I do feel that Debojit won by a much bigger
margin --- which is NOT to suggest that he is "superior" to
Vineet (as a singer) by a corresponding margin. It was the
organizers that wanted to show it as a very close contest.
Any views about this sort of voting trend ?
During the past two months, the show had become a real "tamasha"
and smacked of a stage-managed programme. Happily it is now over.
Or is it ? It could be a case of "The king is dead; long live
the king."
Afzal
It must be HR who must have persuaded the organizers to do so, IMHO !!
KCP
> Afzal
My wife says that it will be more productive if people have to "vote
out" a participant instead of "voting in." [Opp to the German
parliament but similar to the Lok Sabha (*)]. For example, UVR and you
may have differences in opinion between Vinit and Debojit, but you may
agree on voting out Paresh. What do you think are the advantages or
disadvantages of this system?
Cheers
Arun
P. S. (*) The Lok Sabha system is based on the no-confidence vote
against an incumbent. In the German system, you express the
no-confidence against an incumbent by voting for a replacement
candidate. This is probably more efficient for obvious reasons.
I have'nt really given it much thought (the political option,
that is). In India, I think we have had only one incumbent
P.M. ousted by a No Confidence Vote (V.P. Singh). In Germany,
most of the ruling PMs have had a comfortably long tenure ---
Konrad Adenauer, Helmut Schmitt, Helmut Kohl, Gerhard
Schroeder, to name a few.
But this sort of political option is or can be workable if
there is only one person to be voted out. When there are
12 or more competitors, it may again come down to the same
process as in the current SRGMP contest.
Actually, this regional bias and frenzy was most noticeable only
when the contest had come down to about five candidates. Till
then, the voting didn't seem to be based on any parochial
considerations --- though it did have too much emphasis on the
acting/performance angle, rather than purely singing ability.
Possibly, Nihira lost out on this count. In that episode,
where Nihira was voted out, I think Vineet had got the maximum
votes. Once Hemani had been the top challenger. The voting
got focused on the regional angle only when the machinations of
Aadesh Shrivastava and Himesh Reshammiya became obvious. After
that, the voting inevitably became polarized.
Afzal
>My wife says that it will be more productive if people have to "vote
>out" a participant instead of "voting in."
How is it going to be different? Earlier you could accuse only the East Zone of
mass-SMSing. Now you will have 3 other zones whom you can accuse.
> For example, UVR and you may have differences in opinion between Vinit and
> Debojit, but you may agree on voting out Paresh. What do you think are the
> advantages or disadvantages of this system?
That is NOT how the German Parliament operates. See below.
Otherwise the system you suggest may work in the initial stages of the
competition. However it won't solve the problem once the field narrows down to a
few competitors or for the final round.
>P. S. In the German system, you express the
>no-confidence against an incumbent by voting for a replacement
>candidate. This is probably more efficient for obvious reasons.
You are partially correct. Schroder resigned under Article 68 not Article 67.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_Vote_of_No_Confidence
Ketan
Sure. They have to choose a successor under 67. What I was trying say
was that in a matter of choice, it may be simpler to get rid of a bad
singer than select among two good ones.
>
> Otherwise the system you suggest may work in the initial stages of the
> competition. However it won't solve the problem once the field narrows down to a
> few competitors or for the final round.
Absolutely. People in the East Zone could have ganged up to vote Vinit
out of the competition. It was evident that Zee wanted regionalism as
part and parcel of the show. They played up the "Hyderabad se...Assam
se..." stuff deliberately. It ensured that they got many SMS messages
and therefore, revenue.
Cheers
Arun
There's a lot of merit to what Abhijeet said (and I recall thinking,
as I watched him speak, that his was the most 'sensible' comment
of the three. The only other part of the male singers' comments
I found enjoyable was Udit Narayan's "guDDiuuning!" (Good
evening) LOL!). However, I categorically do NOT agree with
the position that 'no amount of feet-touching is going to help'.
taareeKh, as the expression goes, gawaah hai is haqeeqat ki
that touching feet (and, sometimes, other parts as well, pardon
my French) does help in the film industry. We have seen both
deserving and undeserving artistes being pushed forward by
their film industry 'godfathers'. No doubt some of these artistes
were unearthed via some talent search. To name just two:
Sharda-SJ, Anuradha Paudwal-Gulshan Kumar (you prob'ly
know of several others that fit the same bill). I don't necessarily
think 'feet touching' is a bad thing either; it depends on whose
feet you are touching. I'll gladly touch Lata's if it's going to
make me a better (or more successful, or both) singer.
> Now, Debojit will have to work really hard to become a saleable
> playback singer. Unfortunately, we seem to have a large chunk
> of new music which is of a very boisterous nature, which may not
> be Debojit's forte. Nevertheless, the contract and the
> "shaandaar" flat are bound to come in handy.
Wasn't the word used "aaleeshaan"? :-)
Again, I don't know about how useful the contract would be.
It can be his ticket to success, or it can be what undoes him
at the very beginning of his 'ascent to fame'.
I remember that around the time that Indian Idol season one
ended, there was a lot of hullabaloo around the release of an
album by the winner, Abhijit Sawant. I happened to be visiting
India at the time and had the (mis?)fortune of having one of
my relatives-by-marriage present me with a cassette copy of
said album. I also remember never listening to any of the
songs more than once except "mohabbatein luTaaooNgaa",
which I heard, umm, maybe three times. I haven't heard
of any subsequent album or song by that young man
achieving even a modicum of success since then. The fact that
he's (evidently) locked into a deal where he must sing only for
Sony-Universal may also have something to do with this.
No views except to say that the singer with the most number of
votes seems to have won the contest (which is how it was designed
to work).
> During the past two months, the show had become a real "tamasha"
> and smacked of a stage-managed programme. Happily it is now over.
> Or is it ? It could be a case of "The king is dead; long live
> the king."
It's far from over. Gajendra Singh has publicized his plans for
the next round of SRGMP. There's more 'tamasha' to come.
-UVR.
May. Or may not. After reviewing some of the old recorded
episodes, I have come to the conclusion that "the better man"
did end up winning the competition. We will see if he also
proves to be the better singer.
> but you may
> agree on voting out Paresh. What do you think are the advantages or
> disadvantages of this system?
What's the difference? The same fellow gets ousted whether
it happens actively (purposeful voting out) or passively (by
getting least amount of votes). It's even less fun, though a tad
musically better, to have people actively voted out, IMO :-)
-UVR.
PS: If you want to actively vote someone out, vote out the
silly Himesh-s and Aadesh-s.
> -UVR.
>
> PS: If you want to actively vote someone out, vote out the
> silly Himesh-s and Aadesh-s.
Couldn't agree more.
Afzal
I think the "voting out" system solves the problem of split votes. If
the forces that supported two good singers (say Nihira and Himani) had
gotten together, their votes would not have split so early.
If it does tend to continue to be biased on the basis of region, then
people from North, West and South would've pooled their votes to vote
out Debojit rather than spliting their votes among Hemachandra and
Vinit. East Zoners would've have a hard time coordinating amongst each
other to vote out one of Hemachandra or Vinit.
Cheers
Arun
You're being naive. If supporters of two good singers could
get together to eliminate a third (bad) singer, what prevents
the supporters of two bad singers from getting together to
eliminate a third (good) singer? Both Rajiv and Paresh had
a strong following despite being bad singers; together, their
supporters could very well have successfully eliminated
Hemachandra!
> If it does tend to continue to be biased on the basis of region, then
> people from North, West and South would've pooled their votes to vote
> out Debojit rather than spliting their votes among Hemachandra and
> Vinit. East Zoners would've have a hard time coordinating amongst each
> other to vote out one of Hemachandra or Vinit.
What makes you think it would have been hard to coordinate?
All it takes is a question from Shaan to Debojit asking, "whom
do you see as tougher competition today, Vinit or Hemachandra?",
and a response from Debojit saying, "Chandu", to whip up the
East Zoners into a frenzy of negative voting for Hemachandra.
If, in addition, Himesh should join in saying, "ab agar Vinit
ko koi rok sakta hai to woh hai Hemachandra", and it's game,
set and match!
Look, if voters can be biased, they can also be manipulated.
Even our aaThveeN-fel politicians know that!
-UVR.
You forgot charged with crookery, rape, murder etc. :) (About 1/5 or
so.)
>
> -UVR.
I don't know the final tally of votes, but it would be a feat for East
Zoners to get more "No" votes for Hemachandra as compared to "No"
votes for Debojit from all the other zones.
Cheers
Arun
1.5 crore total votes
49.5 % to Debo and 50.5 % to Vinit ( approx )
:-)
KCP
I'm sorry I still don't understand your logic.
What is it exactly that prevents (in your scheme of negative voting)
supporters of Debojit from voting "No" against both Vinit and Hemu
an unlimited number of times? Indeed, it seems to me that a voter
with even a modicum of common sense would realize pretty early on
that if he wants his favorite singer to win, he should vote against
ALL the singer's opponents, and vote often.
Here's what happened for real in the episode where Hemachandra
was eliminated: after the all the votes cast were counted, we had:
Debojit: #1 YES votes
Vinit: #2 YES votes
Hema: #3 YES votes
Which, to me, is the same as this:
Debojit: #3 NO votes
Vinit: #2 NO votes
Hemachadra: #3 NO votes
-UVR.
Finances. It would be very expensive to vote "No" for two opponents as
compared to one. Yes, they could still do it if they do not mind
spending that kind of money.
Anyway, this is my last post on the topic. It is a boring topic and has
gone on ad nauseum. :-) Heck, I still haven't seen the last two
episodes yet.
Cheers
Arun